WOW! I've never played. Taking my first lesson on 7/18/24. I purchased a Seagull S6 which I think sound very pretty. I'm hopeful of learning to fingerpick. The drednaught you picked was is beautiful.
Quite possibly the three nicest and best sounding / playing guitars I’ve had the pleasure of having a go on. My heart belongs to the 000 as you know but they are all from a different planet! Lovely picking too. Let’s meet up and A/B our parlours soon. Thanks Andrew.
Thank you for the very interesting comparison. I like the sound of all of those guitars in their own way. Your finger picking is outstanding!! Thank you again.
My 0001 has the honduran mahogany and fits my fingerstyle playing quite well. Also great for vocal. Just added a Collings MT mandolin, and it is every bit the quality and sound of the guitars.
As you say, you can play any style on any guitar - if your ability will allow! On a practical level if you are playing a mix of styles and don’t want to lug 2 guitars to a gig I guess it’s a question of where do you compromise; personally I think my jumbo (with 12s) can handle fingerpicking better than my 0 (with 10s) can handle strumming, where it comes across as quite tinny. Great video as always.
Hi Joe, thanks for your comments. In fact I rarely perform with the 000 as lovely as it is and as Angie says I feel more comfortable with my dreads with medium guage strings when on stage. Horses for courses.
I appreciate the informative demo. Both of your Collings sound great but I prefer the greater depth and note separation of the dreadnought for fingerpicking. I recently acquired two Eastman dreadnoughts, E10D-TC (mahogany) and E20D-TC (rosewood). I believe Eastman followed the philosophy of Collings, as well as most Japanese builders, by going for balance rather than more bass which is fine with me. I find woofy bass to be overpowering.
Hi, As the Dread has mediums as standard, and the 000 has kights, I prefer the 000 for finger picking, (or even more my recently acquired Eastman E20P and E40-00 ! but it's great to have a choice! Thanks for watching.
I'm playing mainly my Gibson J35 and Martin 000-18....Im 60 and no longer play out....just on the couch for my own enjoyment...I have started developing pain in my left hand and weakness....so I mostly play partial chord fingerpicking....I use 12-53 D addario on both guitars but seems like I need something "softer" for my hands...any suggestions? Beautiful guitars BTW......
Hi Gibby, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have a lot of trouble with my hands, esp. after attending the gym regularly and have a trigger finger op pending. however, I "need" the tensions of medium gauge strings ,and actually feel less comfortable with light gauge! First thing to suggest would be to check your string action on your guitars - as a minor adjustment may solve some issues. Collings recommend 3/32" at the 12th fret on bass and 2/32" (1/16") on treble. I prefer mine a little higher, but theirs is a standard that suits most. Assuming all is well in that - how about lower tension strings? The only cmopany I know who make "round core" strings are British - NewTone, and I believe that they are available in the US but don't know where but also available direct. Note - they are made by one an (and his dog?) and take a little time to process , make and ship. There maybe other US made round core and/or lower tension strings but I don't know. Google is your friend of course. BTW - this might help your hands : th-cam.com/video/iMnrArFbkxU/w-d-xo.html Regards, Andy
@@SillyMoustache thank you sir for your very in depth answer....I have not measured my action on either guitar but I keep them at one U.S. quarter at the 12th fret....good luck with the trigger finger....that is the one giving me the most problem also....I think arthritis. Thank you again for your response and I do enjoy communicating with you on our hobby/passion.....I have been doing more open tunings to cut down on some of the pain issues as well....really enjoyed your 4 part story! Thank you again my good man...
@@gibby6904 Hello sir, You can experiment with different string gauges like Custom Lights (11-52) Extra lights(10-47) Or if you have trouble you can switch to silk steel acoustic strings by daddario( not classical strings)
Hi Daiel, I also prefer my hog dreads when playing with a combo, esp bluegrass as it is simply and ppowerful, but for playing solo or with my trio, (mando and bull fiddle) my EIR one serves beautifully. The 000 is wonderful but for performance I find that I ted to over play it so dreads with mediums are better.
Thank you for sharing. I have a Martin dreadnought and a 00015M. Both are great for Fingerstyle or thumb strumming. (I never use picks, only my nails and fingertips) I use lightweight silk/steel strings on both, but do find better volume on the dreadnought, although the 00015M has a slightly deep and wonderful sound.
Dread for the win, in my opinion! I've wanted to love the tone of the smaller guitars, and indeed have a nice little 12 fret concert size Taylor - but I totally prefer the dread. Oh, and Rosewood!!
The rosewood was very articulate but I immediately missed the warmth of the mahogany guitar after the change. Dread with mahogany for me. I don't need rosewood articulating all the mistakes I make. ..
It depends of what you need. I always switch between smaller and bigger sizes. If you play with other musicians and need a bassier fundament, take the Dread. A multipurpose guitar would be a good OOO/OM
Yes it does Wolf. - Guitars were designed for specific purposes and applications/audience sizes, but the smaller guitars such as the 12 fret 0.00.or 000 models were mostly made before the guitar became essentially a rhythm instrument. Thanks for watching.
Hi, for finger picking I quite agree, although as the dread wears medium gauge strings and the 000 wears lights, that also aids my preferences. and I don't finger pick my dreads .
I feel that the 000 has a tighter frequency range, which means I'd much rather sing and record with it. A dreadnought is much boomier and fuller in sound, which drowns out my voice, I feel.
An interesting perspective. Whilst I can sing and play with my 000 and even my 00 at home - for videos, to perform I definitely need my dreads with mediums to keep up with my "performing" voice - even my post throat cancer voice. Thanks for watching.
I had to get a ooo or travel size because dreadnoughts were cumbersome...I'm 61 so my shoulders ouch. I'm aware the difference between sounds but I play the blues with a travel guitar...you're right we can play on any guitar...after it's a matter of comfort and taste.
Hi Nicole, the 000 12 rfet is a lovely design , but it also has a standard scale. The 00 is just a little smaller, but has the shorter scale. Just thought, thanks for watching.
Hi, hogs and roses each have their fans and for good reason. I like both , but tend towards hog dreads, and rose 00, 000. Lucky? well if working at jobs for 40 plus years and not smoking, drinking or chasin' wimmins .. yeah, maybe. Seriously, it was a matter of saving hard and trading and doing without other stuff, to achieve an objective.
Dear Andy, thank you for your channel and shared experience. I love my Martin and Yammy dreads and Canadian Art&Lutherie folk. What about alternative tunings? I use 13 scale strings and happy with my 1 step lower deep sounding tone on one guitar and dadgad 1 step down on another. You may always use capo if need to go up. Again, thank you for videos, subscribed. Regards from Russia, Gennady
@@SillyMoustache it may even be a standard tuning but for example 1 tone down. Very juicy sound) have Merry Christmas and happy New Year! Keep cozy and healthy!
Hi Andy, curious to know if most of your repertoire of music is played in the first 7 frets. I noticed they are all 12 frets. For you personally, and I realize the analytical aspect of your desire, what is the benefit for you? I bought a 12 fret 2 years ago but returned it because I couldn’t ascertain a difference in sustain, and that was the reason I made the purchase. Thanks for your videos, very enjoyable.
Hi Rob, You are correct, not much for me above the 7th. Certainly don't need anything above the 12th fret. The reason, as I have explained elsewhere is because I realised that thin "rhythm" fretboards (1 & 11/16" nuts) were restricting my style. 12 fretters (original Martin designs until 1929) had wider nut-widths, fretboards and string spacing. Bridges are better placed putting my picking hand o the "sweet-spot" My ideal nut width is 1 & 13/16", with a string spacing of 2 & 3/8" . Sustain, surely, is about the resonance of the guitar, rather than the number frets to the body? Thanks for watching.
I'll check the seat! (but it may be me - I am very old!) Not so many Collings guitars here in the UK eith, partly because I bought them perhaps! Thanks for watching.
Hi Ed, you will see that I only play 12 fret designs, so no OM. This is because for fat picking, I need a nut width of 1 & 13/16" Most of my guitars are by Collings because Martins no longer makes the pre 1934 designs. My most recent purchases have been Eastan guitars - the other end of the price range and I'm very impressed. Choice of builder neck profiles, nut widths, string spacing, and of course budget are all very personal choices. therefore what is ideal for me may not be suitable for you and vice versa. Might I suggest that you look at this video : th-cam.com/video/sNc25RLn77E/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching.
Hi Jack, well yes, but they didn't exactly come in Santa's sack, it was a matter of working and saving, and going without other things. Less than one per year on average.
Nice comparison. I own a dreadnought so I'm partial to that sound. Have you ever experimented with stringing with "Nashville" strings? I would think a 00 or 000 with them on might have a nice shimmer to it and would "play well with others" in a combo situation.
You seem to have greater ease at playing the dreadnought, or it somehow sounds a lot smoother to my hearing. However, all three of these guitars have a nice tone. They all look pretty too and you always keep them polished so well. Thank you for this comparison.
Hi Angie, you are correct, I feel more comfortable with the higher tension of medium strings probably due to being an old bluegrasser) and I do polish my guitars, but only when I change strings (only every two/three months). I usea polish designed for antique furniture so no nasty stuff.
I viewed your video a while back about the polish you use on your guitar. All your videos are quite interesting and educational. Thank you for sharing them and your knowledge.
Hi question i play classic guitar and i think to go over to vingerstyle/picking what do you recoment i find de bignes of a dreadnought ok because i have long hands but 000 is more classical size ,what do you think what fits the best to me ? Hope you can help me
Hi Klaas, I don't think that dreadnoughts are ideal for fingerstyle, OR for playing seated. Steel strung guitars "evolved" (mainly in the US) from European gutstrung style guitars, so I wonder if a replica of the earlier steel string designs might serve you well. Eastman make very good guitars which are currently reasonably priced, compared with US made equivalents. The 12 fret slotted headstock design with a wider fretboard might suit you - so please see this video which shows my Eastman E20-P (Size "0" in Martin terms) and should you wish for a slightly larger body the E20-00 See: th-cam.com/video/8WaP3dpulXI/w-d-xo.html I hope that helps. Regards, Andy
Yup, I think so too. Sometimes when I'm singing/playing, I have to look down to see which one I'm playing. the "28" trim of rosewood guitars is a little prettier.
They're both wonderful-sounding guitars (I have a 000-2H myself) - that said, I'll bet the 000-2H would project more effectively over distance without amplification.
Did you know at when Martin introduced the 000 in 1902, and called it an "Auditorium" model. I've since discovered that in that context that means a venue with 300 plus seats! so this guitar was thought to be sufficient to entertain an audience of that size ..without amplification! ... and I've seen it done! We have a very distorted notion of sound levels nowadays. Thanks for watching.
@@SillyMoustache Yes, that's right. Have you seen Jonathan Kellerman's book about his collection, With Strings Attached? He describes his 1927 0-45 as the loudest Martin he owns (and he has the full complement of 45s from that era). And projection is not always the same thing as apparent volume. My main guitar is a Hauser III classical; it doesn't seem particularly loud, but when I play it in concert it has a kind of focus that reportedly transmits even delicate passages clearly to the audience.
@@Fledermausman Hi john, yes I do have that book, I must check out the part bout the 0-45. There is subtle difference between "loudness" and "projection" which I've never really understood apart from the fact that there IS a difference.
@@SillyMoustache Yes, it's not a simple thing, a bit like concert hall acoustical design, which is a mixture of art and science. But I think part of it has to do with the fact that lower frequencies are less directional, higher ones more so (which is why you only need one subwoofer - those frequencies spread everywhere). Up close, emphasis in any part of a guitar's spectrum is perceptible as loudness, but to achieve projection at a distance you need a well balanced mix of lower partials and the more directional higher ones (I think of the higher ones as like the carrier frequency in radio, an admittedly imperfect analogy). The dreadnought may be at a bit of a disadvantage here because its characteristic full bottom mushrooms around you but doesn't travel out as far, and it tends to have less high end than a smaller guitar. By the way, let me add that part of what I enjoy about your videos is that you know how to get a good sound out of a guitar, so us listeners can get a real idea of what it can do. I was initially interested in your Eastman demos, and glad to find confirmation of how remarkably good they sound. I decided to get a dreadnought a few years ago (just for fun, really, because most of what I do doesn't call for that kind of sound), and wound up with an Eastman E10D and have been delighted with it. It's not as good as the $5000 Martin D-18 from @1951 that I tried, but better than the $3500 one from the mid 60s(!).
Hi, I only have one jumbo, my Santa Cruz "Roy Smeck" which, I tend to use with a pick, and has medium gauge strings like my dreads. Im my occasional ventures into fingerstyle I prefer to use my smaller guitars with light gauge strings. Thanks for watching.
The 000 is better suited I think..the dread has a bit too much bass I feel for fingerpicking and tends to overpower the subtle tones…at least I think so lol, but both sounded great :)
Great video. Really enjoyed that. I'm deciding on a body size for a new guitar right now and this is really helpful. I'm trying to play mostly bluegrass and some finger picking. I'm probably going to go for a 000 sized body. I'm tempted by a 15 series Martin which is all Mahogany. It's probably price that's driving my choice. Any downside with all mahogany; I realise there's a lot of personal preference in terms of sound. What made you decide on a 12 fret guitar? I'm a long term rockin roll guy who's getting into acoustic so I am a little green on acoustic knowledge. I have lots of facility flat picking and playing leads but my finger picking and hybrid picking are taking a little time to catch up 😂
Hi Don, sorry for delay in replying - to best answer your question, perhaps you'd have a look at this video : th-cam.com/video/kfpMciG92oY/w-d-xo.html Regards, and thanks for your interest.
IMHO - the "tool" for the job. Platynig at home, for yourself or just a few friends - the 000 if performing for an audience - the Dread. Alternatively - if you are primarily a flat-picker playing assertive rhythm chords , esp under your voice or anothers, or with louder instruments (Mando/fiddle/banjo etc, - the dread. Remember - normally (and in my opinion) the 000 should have lights on, and the dread mediums. At home, I am mostly playing my 000, or smaller, but when I go out to play - the dread every time. Remember that Martin designed differing body sizes for different sized venues - the tool for the job
I ordered fender paramount pm 3 OOO all mohagany,how do u rate it,there is no electric, truly acoustic, moreover it has a cut out,help me,m really confused
@@sohamhrk Hi, I know nothing about this guitar or who makes them for Fender. I watched this : th-cam.com/video/Mci1AUeCqSU/w-d-xo.html, so if that is the style and fits your budget for an entry level guitar, it should suit you well.
By light gauge you mean 12th right. So medium would be 13th? I string mines doesnt matter size with 12th. Can you elaborate your decision? Thanks _Jane
@@janeandthecoolcats5033 One uses the "tools for the job" Dreadnoughts are large instruments made c ombo or solo work, The 000 is more appropriate for a different style. If you would like more guidance on this and any other aspects why not arrange a Zoom meeting for a modest charge - my email is on my About page
Thanks for uploading the video `SM` . I was surprised how much the 0002h held its own with the DS guitars volume wise, so a very useful comparison. I imagine that the DS Guitars would sound great Travis Boom Chick style. My search goes on. Thanks once again for uploading the video. Cheers.
My pleasure Yayas (really your name?) My standard picking style is with a pick -a cross between bluegrass and country "cowboy" style. Please have a look at some of my videos of my singing and playing. See : th-cam.com/video/oMho3zR2ecU/w-d-xo.html
Hi Jose, I can flat pick on both of these but I cannot use the 000 (with light gauge strings) in performance as I overplay it - a dread with mediums is far more suitable. I hope that answers your question.
Silly Moustache I’m so sorry. I’m currently looking to buy a second acoustic guitar but I’m on the fence on what type of body to buy. I’m mainly a flat picker. I have a dreadnaught. I have considered a slope and a 000. I wasn’t sure if you had a video for flat picking guitarist comparing various acoustic body shaped guitars. Thank you
Why on earth not? When we are learning most of the activity is around the first two or three frets and many never go further up the fretboard without a capo anyway. a smaller 12 fret guitar is an ideal starter instrument. Whilst I love my dreads for performing, my smaller guitars are far better for sitting playing at home. I hope that helps, and contact me if you need more help.
@@SillyMoustache the 000 doesnt seem to have the 12th fret at the body... the dreadmaught seems to be 12th fret though sorry about that but why do you say the 000 is a 12th fret if it doesnt reach the body at the 12th? its looks like its a 14th on the video
@@matrixmodulator Check out the spec of the Collings 0002h on the collings website: www.collingsguitars.com/acoustic-guitars/0002h/ Perhaps you are confused by the lack of fret markers at the 12th fret - Martin didn't put them on - so neither did Collings.
@@nicholasmanoukian Hi, obviously there is more tension in a thicker gauge than a thinner, but there is also more movement of the top. As I said, I use lights on my 000 and smaller guitars, and mediums on dreads, jumbos, archtops etc., because i want to move their tops as appropriate.
@@nicholasmanoukian Hi, they would work and many do this, but to me at least, it is a bit like putting thin tyres on a racing car. Dreadnoughts are effectively the largest guitar to give the largest sound and projection - so why put weaker strings on them? Also, dreads especially 14 fret dreads, ar not designed for fingerstyle, but, again that is what many use them for. I prefer the right tool for the job, but it is a personal thing. Hope that helps.
Yes the dread in this video I believe . It must be both infuriating and disappointing for you.... Maybe a video on the subject might open up the question to a bigger audience . Good luck again ! I await with bated breath
@@scousemanthinks2944 Hi Scouseman, I visited Charlie Chandler today. He is "the man" for Collings in the UK. I am forming the opinion that Collings guitars are like thoroughbred horses or F1 cars. They are lightly built for optimum tonality and response and, perhaps, a little more susceptible to temperature and humidity changes. These are my two oldest Collings, and due to my illness and cancer treatment in 2017, was unable to monitor them as much as I would normally. I am grateful for Charlie's diligent investigation and what he has achieved today, but we need to obtain another saddle from Collings for the 0002h and he has kept the DS for further "plek" investigation. Over the years, I have come to expect seasonal changes to my guitars (various brands). In no way have I lost my appreciation for my Collings instruments. Watch this space.
That's terrible ! I'm afraid I've don quite a lot over the past year or so! I hate to think you'll need to spend hours watching me ! That would be torture!
Hi, obviously it's a Collings version, but absolutley standard measurements as per the Martin design of 1902 until they replaced it with the 14 fret rhythm OM.
@@SillyMoustache I'm just a dread guy. I feel they're so versatile. I have a really really nice 000 tho. And it's a great finger picker, but I also love the sound of hog backed dreads finger picked because they jump off the guitar but are still warm. . I'm getting a custom Sinker Martin dread made. I might sell the 000 as I really can't justify owning both. I spent a lot haha. Idk. Gotta think it over
Those are Collings...they did try to emulate Martin's! I always have to chuckle at these types of YT comparisons...First of all comparing guitars on You Tube is a bit silly...since there are so many reasons this just doesn't work due a huge amount of variables. We all know it's just $ click bait, well some of us anyway. Hey be sure to click that like button and subscribe ;-))
Dear Bart, I find your comment somewhat offensive. It seems that you have missed the point that this comparison is about the two designs, NOT the brand. You also seem to assume that my videos are monetised or for some other reason tan simple communication to interested people. You also seem to have failed to see that I DON'T ask people to "Like and Subscribe". I welcome comments and always try to respond to them, hence this reply, but I would respectfully ask you to watch the video and understand it rather tan making incorrect assumptions. You might also care to read the 150 odd other comments which largely seem to find this useful. Thank you.
Well, not quite, but certainty, when Martin introduced the 14 fret skinny necked dreads it was a radical change of use as rhythm instruments rather than fingerstyle. I know that many use light gauge strings on dreads - which seems illogical to me but can be done.
Hi Jeff, yes I have a car, and so does Mrs Moustache! My Collection (My "acquisitions" have come to me over about 20 years, and a fair few were sold on or traded.
Love the sound of the 000
Thenk yew ! I do. too.
I love the sound of the dreadnought! Very nice playing!!!!
Hi, thanks for watching. Both are great instruments.
That was fun! Nice comparisons. I do a lot of fingerstyle guitar.
Thanks for watching.
WOW! I've never played. Taking my first lesson on 7/18/24. I purchased a Seagull S6 which I think sound very pretty. I'm hopeful of learning to fingerpick. The drednaught you picked was is beautiful.
Hi, I'm not familiar with the Seagull S6. and It seems you are not taking lessons with me, but fine, I hope that all goes well.
Quite possibly the three nicest and best sounding / playing guitars I’ve had the pleasure of having a go on. My heart belongs to the 000 as you know but they are all from a different planet! Lovely picking too. Let’s meet up and A/B our parlours soon. Thanks Andrew.
Hi Lewis, yes, mail me and lets agree a meet up.
Thank you for the very interesting comparison.
I like the sound of all of those guitars in their own way.
Your finger picking is outstanding!!
Thank you again.
Thank you for the kind words. I feel that my fingerpicking is very basic, but I get by. It's nice t be appreciated though.
My 0001 has the honduran mahogany and fits my fingerstyle playing quite well. Also great for vocal. Just added a Collings MT mandolin, and it is every bit the quality and sound of the guitars.
An excellent choice.
As you say, you can play any style on any guitar - if your ability will allow! On a practical level if you are playing a mix of styles and don’t want to lug 2 guitars to a gig I guess it’s a question of where do you compromise; personally I think my jumbo (with 12s) can handle fingerpicking better than my 0 (with 10s) can handle strumming, where it comes across as quite tinny. Great video as always.
Hi Joe, thanks for your comments. In fact I rarely perform with the 000 as lovely as it is and as Angie says I feel more comfortable with my dreads with medium guage strings when on stage. Horses for courses.
Nice, beautiful boxes. Hope life is still good in deepest Chichester !!
Hi Brian, thanks for watching. hope the singing was passable too. Do we know each other?
It's just me - mahoganany for that soothing tonality for fingerstyle work. Which is why I have the 0001 Collings.
Basically, you can't go wrong with Collings!
Beautiful playing!
You could make anything sound great.
Well thank you sir! I have a couple of friends of whom I'd say that, but never thought it of myself.
Sound amazing sirrrr 👍🎸🎶🎶.. bravoooo 👍🎸🎶🎶😊👏👏👏
Thank you.
@@SillyMoustache you're welcomeee sirrr 👍.. keep going 🎸🎶🎶😊 and i hope you will also take a look at my channel later 😇 thanksss sirr 🙏🏻
I appreciate the informative demo. Both of your Collings sound great but I prefer the greater depth and note separation of the dreadnought for fingerpicking. I recently acquired two Eastman dreadnoughts, E10D-TC (mahogany) and E20D-TC (rosewood). I believe Eastman followed the philosophy of Collings, as well as most Japanese builders, by going for balance rather than more bass which is fine with me. I find woofy bass to be overpowering.
Hi, As the Dread has mediums as standard, and the 000 has kights, I prefer the 000 for finger picking, (or even more my recently acquired Eastman E20P and E40-00 ! but it's great to have a choice! Thanks for watching.
Great playing and those are nice guitars like the slotted headstocks👍
Hi Dan, Yes they are fine guitars, and I love playing them, Thanks for watching.
For not being a fingerpicker, you did a fine job!
Gee thanks Batman! (Holy soundholes!) and, thanks for watching.
I'm playing mainly my Gibson J35 and Martin 000-18....Im 60 and no longer play out....just on the couch for my own enjoyment...I have started developing pain in my left hand and weakness....so I mostly play partial chord fingerpicking....I use 12-53 D addario on both guitars but seems like I need something "softer" for my hands...any suggestions? Beautiful guitars BTW......
Hi Gibby, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have a lot of trouble with my hands, esp. after attending the gym regularly and have a trigger finger op pending. however, I "need" the tensions of medium gauge strings ,and actually feel less comfortable with light gauge! First thing to suggest would be to check your string action on your guitars - as a minor adjustment may solve some issues.
Collings recommend 3/32" at the 12th fret on bass and 2/32" (1/16") on treble. I prefer mine a little higher, but theirs is a standard that suits most.
Assuming all is well in that - how about lower tension strings? The only cmopany I know who make "round core" strings are British - NewTone, and I believe that they are available in the US but don't know where but also available direct. Note - they are made by one an (and his dog?) and take a little time to process , make and ship. There maybe other US made round core and/or lower tension strings but I don't know. Google is your friend of course.
BTW - this might help your hands : th-cam.com/video/iMnrArFbkxU/w-d-xo.html
Regards,
Andy
@@SillyMoustache thank you sir for your very in depth answer....I have not measured my action on either guitar but I keep them at one U.S. quarter at the 12th fret....good luck with the trigger finger....that is the one giving me the most problem also....I think arthritis. Thank you again for your response and I do enjoy communicating with you on our hobby/passion.....I have been doing more open tunings to cut down on some of the pain issues as well....really enjoyed your 4 part story! Thank you again my good man...
@@gibby6904 Hi, hope my suggestions help, best regards, Andy
@@SillyMoustache yes of course....I will look into the strings you mentioned and get a scale to check my height...thank you!
@@gibby6904 Hello sir,
You can experiment with different string gauges like
Custom Lights (11-52)
Extra lights(10-47)
Or if you have trouble you can switch to silk steel acoustic strings by daddario( not classical strings)
I'm one of those guys that loves the hog dreads. The balance of the Collings is quite evident in this demo. Thanks
Hi Daiel, I also prefer my hog dreads when playing with a combo, esp bluegrass as it is simply and ppowerful, but for playing solo or with my trio, (mando and bull fiddle) my EIR one serves beautifully. The 000 is wonderful but for performance I find that I ted to over play it so dreads with mediums are better.
Thank you for sharing. I have a Martin dreadnought and a 00015M. Both are great for Fingerstyle or thumb strumming. (I never use picks, only my nails and fingertips) I use lightweight silk/steel strings on both, but do find better volume on the dreadnought, although the 00015M has a slightly deep and wonderful sound.
I'm not sure what thumb strumming means, but thanks for watching!
Dread for the win, in my opinion! I've wanted to love the tone of the smaller guitars, and indeed have a nice little 12 fret concert size Taylor - but I totally prefer the dread. Oh, and Rosewood!!
Pays yer mosey takes yer choice. It is good to have so much choice nowadays. Thanks for watching.
The rosewood was very articulate but I immediately missed the warmth of the mahogany guitar after the change. Dread with mahogany for me. I don't need rosewood articulating all the mistakes I make. ..
Best to have both! Thks for watching.
It depends of what you need. I always switch between smaller and bigger sizes.
If you play with other musicians and need a bassier fundament, take the Dread.
A multipurpose guitar would be a good OOO/OM
Yes it does Wolf. - Guitars were designed for specific purposes and applications/audience sizes, but the smaller guitars such as the 12 fret 0.00.or 000 models were mostly made before the guitar became essentially a rhythm instrument. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video. I prefer the 000, as the Dreadnought has a bit too much low end for my style, but both are very enjoyable.
Hi, for finger picking I quite agree, although as the dread wears medium gauge strings and the 000 wears lights, that also aids my preferences.
and I don't finger pick my dreads .
I feel that the 000 has a tighter frequency range, which means I'd much rather sing and record with it.
A dreadnought is much boomier and fuller in sound, which drowns out my voice, I feel.
An interesting perspective. Whilst I can sing and play with my 000 and even my 00 at home - for videos, to perform I definitely need my dreads with mediums to keep up with my "performing" voice - even my post throat cancer voice. Thanks for watching.
I had to get a ooo or travel size because dreadnoughts were cumbersome...I'm 61 so my shoulders ouch.
I'm aware the difference between sounds but I play the blues with a travel guitar...you're right we can play on any guitar...after it's a matter of comfort and taste.
Hi Nicole, the 000 12 rfet is a lovely design , but it also has a standard scale. The 00 is just a little smaller, but has the shorter scale. Just thought, thanks for watching.
To my ear the mohogany dread sounds best. Lucky you can afford 3 Collins.
Hi, hogs and roses each have their fans and for good reason. I like both , but tend towards hog dreads, and rose 00, 000. Lucky? well if working at jobs for 40 plus years and not smoking, drinking or chasin' wimmins .. yeah, maybe. Seriously, it was a matter of saving hard and trading and doing without other stuff, to achieve an objective.
It does sound great!
“Fingerstyle is not my forte..”
Proceeds to play the most incredible old style blues!!
Great playing and beautiful guitars!
Thank you sir, Best wishes, Andy
Dear Andy, thank you for your channel and shared experience. I love my Martin and Yammy dreads and Canadian Art&Lutherie folk. What about alternative tunings? I use 13 scale strings and happy with my 1 step lower deep sounding tone on one guitar and dadgad 1 step down on another. You may always use capo if need to go up. Again, thank you for videos, subscribed.
Regards from Russia,
Gennady
Hi Gennady, I will think about alternative tunings -- good idea. С новым годом
@@SillyMoustache it may even be a standard tuning but for example 1 tone down. Very juicy sound) have Merry Christmas and happy New Year! Keep cozy and healthy!
Hi Andy, curious to know if most of your repertoire of music is played in the first 7 frets. I noticed they are all 12 frets. For you personally, and I realize the analytical aspect of your desire, what is the benefit for you? I bought a 12 fret 2 years ago but returned it because I couldn’t ascertain a difference in sustain, and that was the reason I made the purchase. Thanks for your videos, very enjoyable.
Hi Rob, You are correct, not much for me above the 7th. Certainly don't need anything above the 12th fret. The reason, as I have explained elsewhere is because I realised that thin "rhythm" fretboards (1 & 11/16" nuts) were restricting my style. 12 fretters (original Martin designs until 1929) had wider nut-widths, fretboards and string spacing. Bridges are better placed putting my picking hand o the "sweet-spot" My ideal nut width is 1 & 13/16", with a string spacing of 2 & 3/8" . Sustain, surely, is about the resonance of the guitar, rather than the number frets to the body? Thanks for watching.
That dread sounds great
Hi, I love 'em both. Thanks for watching.
I love how your couch squeaks... hahahaha very nice Collin guitar. Id love to find those here in Mexico but they are nowere to be seen.
I'll check the seat! (but it may be me - I am very old!) Not so many Collings guitars here in the UK eith, partly because I bought them perhaps! Thanks for watching.
I like your playing good sir. Im thinking of getting maybe a OOO or an OM. Would like to know your suggestion please.
Hi Ed, you will see that I only play 12 fret designs, so no OM. This is because for fat picking, I need a nut width of 1 & 13/16" Most of my guitars are by Collings because Martins no longer makes the pre 1934 designs.
My most recent purchases have been Eastan guitars - the other end of the price range and I'm very impressed.
Choice of builder neck profiles, nut widths, string spacing, and of course budget are all very personal choices. therefore what is ideal for me may not be suitable for you and vice versa. Might I suggest that you look at this video : th-cam.com/video/sNc25RLn77E/w-d-xo.html Thanks for watching.
you should be called, "the lucky moustache" for owning not one, but two Collings'!! Nice! 🐰❤️🎸🎵✨🤝✌️
Hi Jack, well yes, but they didn't exactly come in Santa's sack, it was a matter of working and saving, and going without other things. Less than one per year on average.
@@SillyMoustache Right on, good sir. My Martin was purchased with the money I quit spending on cable television. Win-win!
@@G_Demolished The more challenging it is to acquire something, then more we appreciated it. I'm not a fan of instant gratification.
Nice comparison. I own a dreadnought so I'm partial to that sound.
Have you ever experimented with stringing with "Nashville" strings? I would think a 00 or 000 with them on might have a nice shimmer to it and would "play well with others" in a combo situation.
Hi Jon, no I haven't - I do have two 12 strings though. See: th-cam.com/video/X-mZOc1FGV8/w-d-xo.html
You seem to have greater ease at playing the dreadnought, or it somehow sounds a lot smoother to my hearing. However, all three of these guitars have a nice tone. They all look pretty too and you always keep them polished so well. Thank you for this comparison.
Hi Angie, you are correct, I feel more comfortable with the higher tension of medium strings probably due to being an old bluegrasser) and I do polish my guitars, but only when I change strings (only every two/three months). I usea polish designed for antique furniture so no nasty stuff.
I viewed your video a while back about the polish you use on your guitar. All your videos are quite interesting and educational. Thank you for sharing them and your knowledge.
Hi question i play classic guitar and i think to go over to vingerstyle/picking what do you recoment i find de bignes of a dreadnought ok because i have long hands but 000 is more classical size ,what do you think what fits the best to me ? Hope you can help me
Hi Klaas, I don't think that dreadnoughts are ideal for fingerstyle, OR for playing seated. Steel strung guitars "evolved" (mainly in the US) from European gutstrung style guitars, so I wonder if a replica of the earlier steel string designs might serve you well. Eastman make very good guitars which are currently reasonably priced, compared with US made equivalents. The 12 fret slotted headstock design with a wider fretboard might suit you - so please see this video which shows my Eastman E20-P (Size "0" in Martin terms) and should you wish for a slightly larger body the E20-00 See: th-cam.com/video/8WaP3dpulXI/w-d-xo.html
I hope that helps. Regards, Andy
@@SillyMoustache thank u for replying 👍
The mahogany and rosewood guitars sounded pretty much to same to me.
Yup, I think so too. Sometimes when I'm singing/playing, I have to look down to see which one I'm playing. the "28" trim of rosewood guitars is a little prettier.
They're both wonderful-sounding guitars (I have a 000-2H myself) - that said, I'll bet the 000-2H would project more effectively over distance without amplification.
Did you know at when Martin introduced the 000 in 1902, and called it an "Auditorium" model. I've since discovered that in that context that means a venue with 300 plus seats! so this guitar was thought to be sufficient to entertain an audience of that size ..without amplification!
... and I've seen it done!
We have a very distorted notion of sound levels nowadays. Thanks for watching.
@@SillyMoustache Yes, that's right. Have you seen Jonathan Kellerman's book about his collection, With Strings Attached? He describes his 1927 0-45 as the loudest Martin he owns (and he has the full complement of 45s from that era). And projection is not always the same thing as apparent volume. My main guitar is a Hauser III classical; it doesn't seem particularly loud, but when I play it in concert it has a kind of focus that reportedly transmits even delicate passages clearly to the audience.
@@Fledermausman Hi john, yes I do have that book, I must check out the part bout the 0-45.
There is subtle difference between "loudness" and "projection" which I've never really understood apart from the fact that there IS a difference.
@@SillyMoustache Yes, it's not a simple thing, a bit like concert hall acoustical design, which is a mixture of art and science. But I think part of it has to do with the fact that lower frequencies are less directional, higher ones more so (which is why you only need one subwoofer - those frequencies spread everywhere). Up close, emphasis in any part of a guitar's spectrum is perceptible as loudness, but to achieve projection at a distance you need a well balanced mix of lower partials and the more directional higher ones (I think of the higher ones as like the carrier frequency in radio, an admittedly imperfect analogy). The dreadnought may be at a bit of a disadvantage here because its characteristic full bottom mushrooms around you but doesn't travel out as far, and it tends to have less high end than a smaller guitar.
By the way, let me add that part of what I enjoy about your videos is that you know how to get a good sound out of a guitar, so us listeners can get a real idea of what it can do. I was initially interested in your Eastman demos, and glad to find confirmation of how remarkably good they sound. I decided to get a dreadnought a few years ago (just for fun, really, because most of what I do doesn't call for that kind of sound), and wound up with an Eastman E10D and have been delighted with it. It's not as good as the $5000 Martin D-18 from @1951 that I tried, but better than the $3500 one from the mid 60s(!).
Hello sir, you looking sharp, stay blessed.
Well thank you Gohar!
How did you pull off such awsome mustache? Im growing bald and i need same kinda mustache!!
@@goharkhan2627 haha ! I just let it grow!
Loved the video
Thank you. Please watch some others.
There was some suspence when your face was out of frame but when you sat down I was pleased to see that your moustache is reasonably silly.
Hi Max, yes not my best nitro I'll agree! Anyway thanks for watching.
thanks bro
Great video! How do you find Jumbo's for finger picking?
Hi, I only have one jumbo, my Santa Cruz "Roy Smeck" which, I tend to use with a pick, and has medium gauge strings like my dreads. Im my occasional ventures into fingerstyle I prefer to use my smaller guitars with light gauge strings. Thanks for watching.
The 000 is better suited I think..the dread has a bit too much bass I feel for fingerpicking and tends to overpower the subtle tones…at least I think so lol, but both sounded great :)
Thanks for watching.
Great video. Really enjoyed that. I'm deciding on a body size for a new guitar right now and this is really helpful. I'm trying to play mostly bluegrass and some finger picking. I'm probably going to go for a 000 sized body. I'm tempted by a 15 series Martin which is all Mahogany. It's probably price that's driving my choice. Any downside with all mahogany; I realise there's a lot of personal preference in terms of sound. What made you decide on a 12 fret guitar? I'm a long term rockin roll guy who's getting into acoustic so I am a little green on acoustic knowledge. I have lots of facility flat picking and playing leads but my finger picking and hybrid picking are taking a little time to catch up 😂
Hi Don, sorry for delay in replying - to best answer your question, perhaps you'd have a look at this video : th-cam.com/video/kfpMciG92oY/w-d-xo.html
Regards, and thanks for your interest.
You may want a dread for Bluegrass. ...
Which one to buy OOO or dreadnought, overall
IMHO - the "tool" for the job. Platynig at home, for yourself or just a few friends - the 000 if performing for an audience - the Dread.
Alternatively - if you are primarily a flat-picker playing assertive rhythm chords , esp under your voice or anothers, or with louder instruments (Mando/fiddle/banjo etc, - the dread.
Remember - normally (and in my opinion) the 000 should have lights on, and the dread mediums.
At home, I am mostly playing my 000, or smaller, but when I go out to play - the dread every time.
Remember that Martin designed differing body sizes for different sized venues - the tool for the job
I ordered fender paramount pm 3 OOO all mohagany,how do u rate it,there is no electric, truly acoustic, moreover it has a cut out,help me,m really confused
@@sohamhrk Hi, I know nothing about this guitar or who makes them for Fender. I watched this : th-cam.com/video/Mci1AUeCqSU/w-d-xo.html, so if that is the style and fits your budget for an entry level guitar, it should suit you well.
By light gauge you mean 12th right. So medium would be 13th? I string mines doesnt matter size with 12th. Can you elaborate your decision? Thanks _Jane
I use Daddario Phos.bronze strings. Lights are EJ16s = 12-53, mediums are EJ17s - 13-56.
@@SillyMoustache Thanks but can you elaborate this decision. I suppose the basses are even more pronounced on the dread then
@@janeandthecoolcats5033 One uses the "tools for the job" Dreadnoughts are large instruments made c ombo or solo work, The 000 is more appropriate for a different style. If you would like more guidance on this and any other aspects why not arrange a Zoom meeting for a modest charge - my email is on my About page
Thanks for uploading the video `SM` . I was surprised how much the 0002h held its own with the DS guitars volume wise, so a very useful comparison. I imagine that the DS Guitars would sound great Travis Boom Chick style. My search goes on. Thanks once again for uploading the video. Cheers.
My pleasure Yayas (really your name?) My standard picking style is with a pick -a cross between bluegrass and country "cowboy" style. Please have a look at some of my videos of my singing and playing. See : th-cam.com/video/oMho3zR2ecU/w-d-xo.html
Silly Moustache No not my real name! That is a good lesson of your style SM. I have watched quite a few of you lessons, hope they keep coming. Steve.
Master guitarist
Not sure who you are referring to, but thanks for watching.
Do you have a comparison for flat picking
Hi Jose, I can flat pick on both of these but I cannot use the 000 (with light gauge strings) in performance as I overplay it - a dread with mediums is far more suitable. I hope that answers your question.
Silly Moustache I’m so sorry. I’m currently looking to buy a second acoustic guitar but I’m on the fence on what type of body to buy. I’m mainly a flat picker. I have a dreadnaught. I have considered a slope and a 000. I wasn’t sure if you had a video for flat picking guitarist comparing various acoustic body shaped guitars. Thank you
Do you think that a beginner could learn on the 12th fret guitar?
Why on earth not? When we are learning most of the activity is around the first two or three frets and many never go further up the fretboard without a capo anyway. a smaller 12 fret guitar is an ideal starter instrument. Whilst I love my dreads for performing, my smaller guitars are far better for sitting playing at home. I hope that helps, and contact me if you need more help.
thinking on getting one these, any tips?
One of which model?
Have you tried the 000 with medium strings?
No. Lights are recommended and seem appropriate.
1:04 They are not 12th fret...
Both the 000 and the dreadnought are 12 fret to body guitars.
@@SillyMoustache the 000 doesnt seem to have the 12th fret at the body... the dreadmaught seems to be 12th fret though sorry about that
but why do you say the 000 is a 12th fret if it doesnt reach the body at the 12th? its looks like its a 14th on the video
@@matrixmodulator Check out the spec of the Collings 0002h on the collings website: www.collingsguitars.com/acoustic-guitars/0002h/
Perhaps you are confused by the lack of fret markers at the 12th fret - Martin didn't put them on - so neither did Collings.
@@SillyMoustache ah i see, sorry about that. I was just looking at the double dots that are usualy at 12th
Could you use 12 gauge strings for fingerstyle?
Hi, I use 12-53 (EJ16) on the 000, and 13-56 (EJ17) on the Dread.
@@SillyMoustache I heard that the thicker the gauge is, the harder it is to fingerpick...
@@nicholasmanoukian Hi, obviously there is more tension in a thicker gauge than a thinner, but there is also more movement of the top. As I said, I use lights on my 000 and smaller guitars, and mediums on dreads, jumbos, archtops etc., because i want to move their tops as appropriate.
@@SillyMoustache Okay and light gauges would not work with dreads?
@@nicholasmanoukian Hi, they would work and many do this, but to me at least, it is a bit like putting thin tyres on a racing car. Dreadnoughts are effectively the largest guitar to give the largest sound and projection - so why put weaker strings on them? Also, dreads especially 14 fret dreads, ar not designed for fingerstyle, but, again that is what many use them for. I prefer the right tool for the job, but it is a personal thing. Hope that helps.
Hi Silly Tash...…. Did you ever resolve the issue with the whining/ buzzing noise on your ooo 2h?. I read of your dismay on the collings forum.
Nope, still working on it. Thanks for your interest.
As a fellow owner of a ooo 2h , I have a somewhat vested interest haha.... Good luck in your quest ! Please keep us informed.
Will try - @@scousemanthinks2944 - this issue is affecting one of my dreads too.
Yes the dread in this video I believe . It must be both infuriating and disappointing for you.... Maybe a video on the subject might open up the question to a bigger audience . Good luck again ! I await with bated breath
@@scousemanthinks2944 Hi Scouseman, I visited Charlie Chandler today. He is "the man" for Collings in the UK.
I am forming the opinion that Collings guitars are like thoroughbred horses or F1 cars. They are lightly built for optimum tonality and response and, perhaps, a little more susceptible to temperature and humidity changes. These are my two oldest Collings, and due to my illness and cancer treatment in 2017, was unable to monitor them as much as I would normally. I am grateful for Charlie's diligent investigation and what he has achieved today, but we need to obtain another saddle from Collings for the 0002h and he has kept the DS for further "plek" investigation. Over the years, I have come to expect seasonal changes to my guitars (various brands). In no way have I lost my appreciation for my Collings instruments. Watch this space.
WAIT WAIT WAIT I SUBSCRIBED TO YOU YEARS AGO AND NOW I'M NOT, DARN TH-cam RESUBSCRIBED GEEZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's terrible ! I'm afraid I've don quite a lot over the past year or so! I hate to think you'll need to spend hours watching me ! That would be torture!
A bit large, that 000...
Hi, obviously it's a Collings version, but absolutley standard measurements as per the Martin design of 1902 until they replaced it with the 14 fret rhythm OM.
So the short answer here is just buy them both. Problem solved.
Well ...I did.
@@SillyMoustache Though I must admit that Mahogany sounded lovely as well. It's a tough call.
nothing beats the sound of mahogany
And yet both of these are rosewood.
Yet I was referencing the third mahogany guitar you also played.
@@carmonaville Ah ! My apologies ! I had forgotten that I showed the DS1 at the end. Thanks so much for watching!
vodka or water?
Water - all the time. Throat cancer treatment destroyed my saliva glands so I have to keep lubricating my mouth/throat.
@@SillyMoustache Ah sorry if I struck a nerve. Love your guitar posts quite a lot, thank you Mr Moustache.
@@TheDennzio Hi Dennis, no problems, and thaks for watching.
Dread for me
OK.
@@SillyMoustache I'm just a dread guy. I feel they're so versatile. I have a really really nice 000 tho. And it's a great finger picker, but I also love the sound of hog backed dreads finger picked because they jump off the guitar but are still warm.
. I'm getting a custom Sinker Martin dread made. I might sell the 000 as I really can't justify owning both. I spent a lot haha. Idk. Gotta think it over
Those are Collings...they did try to emulate Martin's! I always have to chuckle at these types of YT comparisons...First of all comparing guitars on You Tube is a bit silly...since there are so many reasons this just doesn't work due a huge amount of variables. We all know it's just $ click bait, well some of us anyway. Hey be sure to click that like button and subscribe ;-))
Dear Bart, I find your comment somewhat offensive. It seems that you have missed the point that this comparison is about the two designs, NOT the brand. You also seem to assume that my videos are monetised or for some other reason tan simple communication to interested people. You also seem to have failed to see that I DON'T ask people to "Like and Subscribe".
I welcome comments and always try to respond to them, hence this reply, but I would respectfully ask you to watch the video and understand it rather tan making incorrect assumptions. You might also care to read the 150 odd other comments which largely seem to find this useful. Thank you.
Dreads, named as such because they are dreadful for fingerpicking 🤭
Well, not quite, but certainty, when Martin introduced the 14 fret skinny necked dreads it was a radical change of use as rhythm instruments rather than fingerstyle. I know that many use light gauge strings on dreads - which seems illogical to me but can be done.
Mahogany sounds better fingerpicked
Well, if that is your opinion, then fine, but I wouldn't say that it should be considered a fact.Thanks for watching.
Do you just not have a vehicle? I mean, since you obviously spent your car money on guitars? 😂
I dream of owning a Collings some day. So much so that I’ve actually thought about selling some of the guitars my dad left me to fund it 😬
Hi Jeff, yes I have a car, and so does Mrs Moustache! My Collection (My "acquisitions" have come to me over about 20 years, and a fair few were sold on or traded.