Keep in mind, everyone, that the Pro Tour is not a 'solved' meta. Remember Pro Tour Khans when Jeskai aggro made up 3 top 8 spots, but in GP Antonio in November, there was only 1, and it included 8 more creatures. To say that Standard is cancerous or stale is a serious overstatement, as there are answers to the dominating deck.
The pro tour is the pinnacle tournament. Besides the World Championship, this is the one people tune in to, and the one that is hyped the most. Saying "look, this GP had different results than the pro tour almost 3 years ago" is not a good argument. This pro tour contained 6 of the same deck (ok, that one guy splashed black, but I'm counting it). Pro tour Amonkhet, 4 marvel decks, 3 zombie decks. PT Aether Revolt, 6 copies of Mardu Vehicles. PT Kaladesh had some variance. That's 4 PTs back. Are people really suggesting that this is a good thing? There's no problem there? Because to me, this seems like a worst case scenario, net decking is the only way to win. I don't want to play that way, and I'm surprised anyone does.
My appreciation of PVDDR continues to grow and grow as of late. Between consistent good play, and the tiny edges videos, etc. Seems like a genuinely good guy/player.
Everyones complaining about aggro and bad standard and all this bullshit. Standard will never be a perfect healthy environment and there will always be a dominant archetype. It's fine.
Not only, but also. He could've won that game 3-0 if he didn't make himself a mistake playing hazoret instead of falkenrath + open mana for abrade. Anyway, it was very well deserved, congrats!
Ed Findlay that's like saying he only won because a car didn't hit him on his way to the pro tour. Point being anyone who wins a pro tour got lucky at some point but most of the time it's Less clear luck(drawing a better mix of cards) and alot is of camera. This time it was very clear luck and on camera. The point is the put your self in as many possible situations to get lucky and to take full advantage when you do get lucky. That's what skill is about, not to be able to win without luck.
I consider aggro decks in every format to be "keeping the bastards honest" its a great entry point into a lot of formats and setting the benchmark for efficient fast wins.
I don't get how black/green constrictor was meant to work well against Ramunap Red when it doesn't have lifesteal or healing effects, is it purely the Walking Batista?
I love that Magic POTY is determined exclusively on points earned. So many different games and sports include a fan vote in the mix, which I immediately exclude as legit since there's always a lot of bias from fans in those votes.
Axel Bloodmoon simple mistake. Remember, he drew hazoret and LSV was pretty sure he was going to play it. He played earthshaker khenra instead, either way the result is the same; last creature made the attack lethal. For all intents and purposes, whether he played hazoret or khenra made no difference; pretty sure he played khenra in case Pardee had an answer for it, so he could still play hazoret next turn with almost guaranteed lethal.
It wasn't wrong. Playing Hazoret *would* have won the game there as well. In fact, both eternalizing the Khenra and playing Hazoret would win the game assuming that Pardee has no removal (this happened to be the case). It's just that PVDDR went for the slightly safer play. If Pardee has a Grasp of Darkness, then he survives the attack either way. However, in the case of playing hazoret, he gets to deal with a very resilient threat, whereas against the eternalized Khenra, he is forced to waste his removal on a low value threat, leaving PVDDR with Hazoret ready to go next turn. Marshall saw the obvious route to victory. Most of the times, that play would still have given PVDDR the win, as he had a substantial advantage. But PVDDR (being the pro player he is) saw that eternalizing the Khenra was a slightly safer play (if PVDDR was able to Grasp Hazoret, and then had removal the following turn for Glorybringer, he might have been able to come back. That line of play is much much worse against an eternalized khenra).
no your right. he eternalized the khenra, but all of the announcers said that Hazoret won the game... haha (my conspiracy theory is they did that to push sales of Hazoret lmao) oh and did you see Luis-Scott Vargas face when he said that? XD kills me dead
Franzdodlmann the match is being live broadcast near the match for people to watch, so they want to make sure they don't hear any of the commentary or oeehh and AAaaass from the crowd.
Long way to go to surpass Jonh Finkel but he has a fair chance at it. Motherfcking Finkel has 16 protour top 8s, and of course there is Kai Budde with 7 (7!!!!!!!!!!) protour wins.
They let aggro back in the game and standard became interesting again. So intense games in the top 8, good plays, punts, crazy top decks. Aggro and tempo are the most entertaining archetypes to watch
Are all of the announcers delusional? they kept saying that Hazoret won the match, but Paulo Eternalized the Earthshaker khenra and never even cast the Hazoret? Like??? tell me im wrong here?
I'm a grixis or jund player but I definitely like seeing a mono red deck sweat it out and win. Different type of satisfying. Also guys a friend and I have worked a long time on making a game that has some inspired elements of magic but has anime influences made for mobile. It pulls from a lot of different things. Check us out on kickstarter, search "hiraethia"
I understand that certain sets wind up favoring certain archetypes, but I am SICK of aggro. You have 60 cards in a deck, the game should not be over by the time only 6 cards have been played, that's absurd. I hope Ixalan is very strategic and control based so players like me that actually enjoy games lasting longer than 4 minutes can have some fun again. Shuffling should not be taking nearly twice as long as the game you just played. I get that each archetype can have its set in the sun, but I'm ready for aggro to be finished as basically the only truly viable archetype right now. Just my opinion, so if you like aggro that's great, but I personally want to play longer games of Magic again.
Tfw you're hyped about watching the Pro Tour for deck ideas, but over 98% of players are only running only red, black, UB, UR, GB or Temur....... This is why having teams in it make it increasingly stale and boring.
How is this worse than Aetherworks Marvel or Saheeli Combo? Please. Just because you don't like linear aggro decks? Neither do I, but usually if a linear aggro deck is tier one that means the format is pretty healthy.
Oh, I didn't say that marvel or S. combo was good, it was like like diarrhea. It's just not healthy when win depends of who start first, because everyone play red. You just can't deal with this pressure that red deck makes for first couple rounds, if you do, most of the time chandra is entering to empty board. Didn't mention Glory bringers and hezerets. Mana base for this deck is also like wtf,. All untap lands and 12 damage only in lands. Every red deck want this kind of mana base. Only bw control with life gain could deal with that, and it will end like every standard for last couple of years. 2 maybe 3 decks that are competitive, and wizards will do shit about it.
Keep in mind, everyone, that the Pro Tour is not a 'solved' meta. Remember Pro Tour Khans when Jeskai aggro made up 3 top 8 spots, but in GP Antonio in November, there was only 1, and it included 8 more creatures. To say that Standard is cancerous or stale is a serious overstatement, as there are answers to the dominating deck.
Benjamin Burt Very glad to see a rational, objective and challenging comment here. Thank you!
way better than modern imo.
The pro tour is the pinnacle tournament. Besides the World Championship, this is the one people tune in to, and the one that is hyped the most. Saying "look, this GP had different results than the pro tour almost 3 years ago" is not a good argument.
This pro tour contained 6 of the same deck (ok, that one guy splashed black, but I'm counting it). Pro tour Amonkhet, 4 marvel decks, 3 zombie decks. PT Aether Revolt, 6 copies of Mardu Vehicles. PT Kaladesh had some variance. That's 4 PTs back. Are people really suggesting that this is a good thing? There's no problem there? Because to me, this seems like a worst case scenario, net decking is the only way to win. I don't want to play that way, and I'm surprised anyone does.
Benjamin Burt please stop saying cancerous, you are literally part of the scourge in this community that are fucking losers that make me cringe
Cavemantero then don't watch, simple solution to a simple problem
My appreciation of PVDDR continues to grow and grow as of late.
Between consistent good play, and the tiny edges videos, etc.
Seems like a genuinely good guy/player.
I met him once in Brazil, nicest guy around the shop
*Wins the Pro Tour*
*Proceeds to calmly de-sideboard his deck*
Willie Gross he has said on Twitter he did not want to start celebrating out of respect for his friend whome just lost a pro tour finals.
Everyones complaining about aggro and bad standard and all this bullshit. Standard will never be a perfect healthy environment and there will always be a dominant archetype. It's fine.
Look at standard now, Perfect.
Wonderful job on this series MTG. Very enjoyable. Thank you.
The Brazilian guy has a name straight out of one piece lmao
the translation is something like "Paulo Vitor the Rose Dame"
Congrats to Pablo Doritos
Not only, but also. He could've won that game 3-0 if he didn't make himself a mistake playing hazoret instead of falkenrath + open mana for abrade. Anyway, it was very well deserved, congrats!
Ed Findlay that's like saying he only won because a car didn't hit him on his way to the pro tour.
Point being anyone who wins a pro tour got lucky at some point but most of the time it's Less clear luck(drawing a better mix of cards) and alot is of camera. This time it was very clear luck and on camera. The point is the put your self in as many possible situations to get lucky and to take full advantage when you do get lucky. That's what skill is about, not to be able to win without luck.
Really great seeing Paul cheon strapping on the wotc shoes.
Looks good in that suit, great in commentary booth.
Brasil pow
Feels good to see a red aggro/midrange deck to win a major tournament.
Sure you werent there when the archetype won 2 pro tours in a row 2 years ago.
bu yeah is nice to see it again
Aggro and tempo decks are the most entertaining thing to watch in magic for sure these top 8 games were all so intense.
I consider aggro decks in every format to be "keeping the bastards honest" its a great entry point into a lot of formats and setting the benchmark for efficient fast wins.
Wow what a match
Think I'll start playing some Standard once Ixalan releases.
I don't get how black/green constrictor was meant to work well against Ramunap Red when it doesn't have lifesteal or healing effects, is it purely the Walking Batista?
I love that Magic POTY is determined exclusively on points earned. So many different games and sports include a fan vote in the mix, which I immediately exclude as legit since there's always a lot of bias from fans in those votes.
What sleeves does samuel use??
I see Ramunap Red way too often, same is true for Ramunap Red vs BG Constrictor.
Can someone explain me what is that note that they keep writing during the match?
Lucas Kellermann life total for them
Brasil caraiiiiiiii!!!!!!!
I was cheering for Damo Da Rosa
Why does Marshall say that hazoret won the game at 46:15? Was it just some sort of odd mistake or am I not getting something?
Axel Bloodmoon simple mistake. Remember, he drew hazoret and LSV was pretty sure he was going to play it. He played earthshaker khenra instead, either way the result is the same; last creature made the attack lethal. For all intents and purposes, whether he played hazoret or khenra made no difference; pretty sure he played khenra in case Pardee had an answer for it, so he could still play hazoret next turn with almost guaranteed lethal.
It wasn't wrong. Playing Hazoret *would* have won the game there as well. In fact, both eternalizing the Khenra and playing Hazoret would win the game assuming that Pardee has no removal (this happened to be the case).
It's just that PVDDR went for the slightly safer play. If Pardee has a Grasp of Darkness, then he survives the attack either way. However, in the case of playing hazoret, he gets to deal with a very resilient threat, whereas against the eternalized Khenra, he is forced to waste his removal on a low value threat, leaving PVDDR with Hazoret ready to go next turn.
Marshall saw the obvious route to victory. Most of the times, that play would still have given PVDDR the win, as he had a substantial advantage. But PVDDR (being the pro player he is) saw that eternalizing the Khenra was a slightly safer play (if PVDDR was able to Grasp Hazoret, and then had removal the following turn for Glorybringer, he might have been able to come back. That line of play is much much worse against an eternalized khenra).
no your right. he eternalized the khenra, but all of the announcers said that Hazoret won the game... haha (my conspiracy theory is they did that to push sales of Hazoret lmao) oh and did you see Luis-Scott Vargas face when he said that? XD kills me dead
what are they using the headsets for?
Franzdodlmann the match is being live broadcast near the match for people to watch, so they want to make sure they don't hear any of the commentary or oeehh and AAaaass from the crowd.
5:48 Boss statistics! Holy jumpin' like whoaa, he's the best now isn't he, like overall?
Franklin J Molley no John is
Long way to go to surpass Jonh Finkel but he has a fair chance at it. Motherfcking Finkel has 16 protour top 8s, and of course there is Kai Budde with 7 (7!!!!!!!!!!) protour wins.
dear mtg, i am making a green and black commander deck based around garruk the apex predator. any card suggestions?
TheWeirdestDinosaur is he going to be your commander? Bc planeswalkers can't
Magic Miles yes
TheWeirdestDinosaur not possible
4 minute game, 5 minutes shuffling, 4 minute game, 6 minutes shuffling, 2 minute game, 4 minutes shuffling...
welcome to competitive magic...sigh
Weird a lot of people made decks to beat mono red and still got weeded out
They let aggro back in the game and standard became interesting again. So intense games in the top 8, good plays, punts, crazy top decks. Aggro and tempo are the most entertaining archetypes to watch
Are all of the announcers delusional? they kept saying that Hazoret won the match, but Paulo Eternalized the Earthshaker khenra and never even cast the Hazoret? Like??? tell me im wrong here?
Why they have a Headset?
Judge communication and to prevent outside interference.
Dante it also enables them to communicate their actions to each other without being drowned out by other noise.
'At the end, it was Hazeret that finished the job'
Do they switch decks in case it comes to a 2-2? I´m kinda confused rightnow...
okay they switch even earlier it appears...
No, they never switch decks, but each player has 15 cards in there sideboard that they can swap after each game.
they shuffle eachother's deck, to prevent rigging a good card into your opening hand. They give it back afterwards.
49:26 lol
BR
Awesome seeing Pardee lose
I'm a grixis or jund player but I definitely like seeing a mono red deck sweat it out and win. Different type of satisfying. Also guys a friend and I have worked a long time on making a game that has some inspired elements of magic but has anime influences made for mobile. It pulls from a lot of different things. Check us out on kickstarter, search "hiraethia"
I understand that certain sets wind up favoring certain archetypes, but I am SICK of aggro. You have 60 cards in a deck, the game should not be over by the time only 6 cards have been played, that's absurd. I hope Ixalan is very strategic and control based so players like me that actually enjoy games lasting longer than 4 minutes can have some fun again. Shuffling should not be taking nearly twice as long as the game you just played. I get that each archetype can have its set in the sun, but I'm ready for aggro to be finished as basically the only truly viable archetype right now. Just my opinion, so if you like aggro that's great, but I personally want to play longer games of Magic again.
That was beautiful no other words could describe it
Other than cancerous
stop crying
what's cancerous is how fucking much the player base whines about decks or players, grow up!
Why does 99.9% of money go to WOTC??? The players win peanuts compared to what they should be paid in prize support.
Tfw you're hyped about watching the Pro Tour for deck ideas, but over 98% of players are only running only red, black, UB, UR, GB or Temur.......
This is why having teams in it make it increasingly stale and boring.
Starkesis teams were a thing long before wotc introduced it.
This standard is canceraids. Well done wizards...
How is this worse than Aetherworks Marvel or Saheeli Combo? Please. Just because you don't like linear aggro decks? Neither do I, but usually if a linear aggro deck is tier one that means the format is pretty healthy.
no matter what Wizards does, people will complain...it's unfortunate. Almost always a lose-lose.
Oh, I didn't say that marvel or S. combo was good, it was like like diarrhea. It's just not healthy when win depends of who start first, because everyone play red. You just can't deal with this pressure that red deck makes for first couple rounds, if you do, most of the time chandra is entering to empty board. Didn't mention Glory bringers and hezerets. Mana base for this deck is also like wtf,. All untap lands and 12 damage only in lands. Every red deck want this kind of mana base. Only bw control with life gain could deal with that, and it will end like every standard for last couple of years. 2 maybe 3 decks that are competitive, and wizards will do shit about it.
What an obnoxious comment. Grow up.
normally the first months after a new realease brings a bunch o aggro decks. just wait a bit and the more controlish or combo decks appear ;)