The only thing I remember from the Muppet Christmas movie is that the Twin Towers are shown in his alternate reality which means Kermit did something in his life that caused 9/11
Yes, the film is probably most known for that detail at this point 😅 I considered mentioning it, but the topic may get a video of its own at some point instead.
The reason for the similarity is that both of the movies are based on a concept, which was thought about since at least the 90s, when some fan outlets started writing about a few of the plot elements seen in the two of these. (From what I remember, that was a project meant to happen before Muppets from Space, or even Muppets in Space - the original script for the movie - took off.)
My theory is the events of The Muppets are Muppets canon that actually happened in universe and the Christmas one is the Muppets as actors making a TV special based on their own experiences.
Ideally I'd love to see all of them there, but as far as I know, Manhattan and Space aren't owned by Disney. Where did you hear this info if you don't mind me asking?
I don’t think it’s been official yet but with the Disney and Sony deal with allowing Spiderman and other Sony pictures being part of Disney+ in the future it’s speculated Sony’s Muppet owned movies could hopefully appear on Disney+ in the future.
@@SomeBoiOnline I've tried uploading the source twice, but the comment gets deleted or something. Go to @MuppetsHenson on twitter and it should be the third post down.
7:07 I've seen both these movies several times each, but only while watching the clips under this voiceover did I notice the restaurant "Barretta's" next door to the theatre in the Christmas special. Nice nod to Muppeteer Bill Barretta, no doubt. (Pepe, Bobo, various others)
That was sort of by design though. Like how Caper was a heist comedy follow up to the original Muppet movie, Most Wanted was also to be the same to the 2011 Muppets. One major difference is that Most Wanted works as an real sequel to the Muppets as it picks up right where the Muppets left off. Great Muppet Caper is really its own movie more so than a direct sequel to the Muppet Movie.
I have thought about too how The Muppets Most Wanted is the Modern Great Muppet Caper. That is a good observation about Originally the Great Muppet Caper being a follow up to The Muppet Movie, then The Muppets Most Wanted being the next generation follow up to The Muppets. Now there needs to be a third installment to the Muppets Franchise. Perhaps trying to get their show in Las Vegas, as they did in Manhattan .
I love both movies talked about in this video! This story line was sorta used in the original The Muppet Show itself, when the owner J.P. Grosse wanted to demolish the theater.
One of these movies is a really smart representation of The Muppets and features some of the Muppet performers’ strongest performances. The other one was made by Jason Segel.
I've never noticed that I never watched the Christmas one since I always watch Muppets Christmas Carol but this was very surprising! Great video can't wait for Muppet content videos
I just happened to stumble upon this channel and this video. I've actually been saying for a while that A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was practically a precursor to The Muppets 2011...although I don't know many people personally who care enough about this stuff as I do so no one's really been around to listen. Haha. I also think ..Muppet Christmas is quite underrated in terms of some of the humour used in it. Some of it is very odd and bleak, but I still remember enjoying it.
Glad to hear we share similar thoughts! Yes, the humor in the Muppet Christmas Movie can be good at times, then as you say, somewhat odd and bleak at others.
Very interesting comparison. I find it interesting how close these two films are. Although I'd consider the 2002 film more of an actual Muppet movie. 2011's film I felt could be titled 'Jason Segel & Amy Adams: featuring The Muppets' with the amount of unnecessary screen time the two are given. It's a shame that Muppets Most Wanted doesn't get the credit I believe it deserves.
I think that since general audiences likely weren't as familiar with the Muppets in 2011, the human characters are used as a means of reintroducing them. Once this is done, they seem to take a back seat near the end of the movie.
@@SomeBoiOnline True and to an extent I agree with that. But personally, I think there is still too much time given to the human characters even after we're re-introduced to The Muppets. The moment Kermit met up with Fozzie I believe should have been the human's cue to vacate the film. If anything, just send Walter off with The Muppets as the sole self-insert character for the audience. We are now on a journey with the Muppets, we don't need Amy Adams with a pointless musical number or Jason Segel tagging along while the Muppets look for networks. It just felt like Jason Segel in particular tried everything he could to be in the same scene as everyone else when he served no point in being there. At least someone like Ricky Gervais played a role moving the plot forward. I get he has a love for the franchise but again, it's called The Muppets. I care about them, not his character's internal conflict about being "a man or Muppet". But that is all just my opinion. Even Most Wanted commented that they spent a lot of time on the Walter plot instead of beloved Muppets
@@SomeBoiOnline Never bought that, which is why I found the whole premise of the 2011 to not work for me because it couldn't make me believe that people wouldn't still know who The Muppets are.
I haven’t seen the Christmas movie in a long time, so I didn’t realize this, but you’re right this is insane! Still doesn’t make either movie any less enjoyable, though.
Surprised I never noticed the similarities myself, having re-watched both movies several times- (both of these movies being some of my favorites, but that kinda goes for all underplayed/underrated movies of the franchise). Once again, lovely video! Love seeing more muppet discussion here on youtube, being a bit of a Henson fanatic.
It always slightly bothered me that Tex richman could buy and demolish the studio after pepe filed it as a historic landmark or something to prevent just that from ever happening
Eric Jacobsen plays Fozzie AMD Miss Piggy in both movies. But his Fozzie in IAVMMCM sounds SO much better than in 2011, even though it’s the same performer. Idk what happened, but it was really distracting in The Muppets
Im always telling this and in the muppets 2011 they also act like the havent seen eachother since the muppet show stopped airing But in letter to santa they are all chilling together like best freinds like they always did. And that released a couple of years before the 2011 movie. Muppets became lame now
@@SomeBoiOnline I wouldn't say it's in limbo per se. I remember seeing it on tv years after the buyout. And sony still proudly distributes and rereleases their muppet stuff every few years
Yes that's true. It's just strange to have most of the Muppets content owned by Disney (which really should all be available on D+), whilst the others, like you say, are distributed elsewhere.
@@SomeBoiOnline I believe disney is finally getting the Sony-owned stuff on disney+ since they made that deal with sony for some of their movies and stuff
With all the similarities I have to say that I found myself liking how the 2002 movie handled the premise better, even with it essentially being "It's a Wonderful Life" with Kermit. I've only seen the 2011 movie once and just remember it not sitting well with me when their premise was based around selling the idea that The Muppets had become these forgotten relics of pop culture that weren't relevant anymore, like Disney was just wanting to play on the nostalgia of the original Muppet Show more than play up the characters themselves as timeless icons. In the 2002 movie they're clearly still relevant and entertaining people before they run into their troubles of having to save the theater, which weren't because of it being left rundown and unused like in the 2011 movie. I also prefer the resolution of having the theater be made into a historical landmark over having the bad guy in the 2011 movie get hit in the head with a bowling ball to forget all about wanting to tear the theater down, which some would almost want to think of as lazy writing even if played for laughs. This is sure to be an even bigger hot take but as far as Muppet Christmas movies go I think the 2002 movie even feels more like a Muppets-centric movie with more of their traditional humor than Muppet Christmas Carol, not that I would ever try to suggest that it isn't a very good Christmas movie itself or a good adaptation of A Christmas Carol but for me it never feels as much like a "Muppets movie", IMO.
@@SomeBoiOnline I've not seen the Country Bears movie personally, but I seem to recall someone saying its plot was very similar to the Blues Brothers (1980). I guess it's like that old saying, "There are only seven stories in the world."
Only one straight fact:The muppets movie is about. How does the muppets they met and came,arrives to hollywood. The muppets:2011 It's about to gather all the muppets and stop a richman oil to destroy the biggest,important to save the Muppet theaters studio show.I swearing in my soul I watch the 2011 in dvd.
I never heard of this Christmas movie and I'm glad I didn't. The Muppets was an awful movie and another movie that lifts a lot of elements from it is probably awful too
Will able to notice about this?. I just saying this video,tells us about the difference and the betweens of the 2 movie the 2:There's the christmas special and the movie from the 2011. It's basically taken of doing something. Even notice. In the 1978s the muppets. Where it tells us. How does the muppets came and arrives to the hollywood?. There's the other movie it is called:The ñ
There's actually an entire page for the similarities on the Muppet Wiki which is a really interesting read. While I do like It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, it isn't even in the same league as The Muppets. muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Similarities_between_It's_a_Very_Merry_Muppet_Christmas_Movie_and_The_Muppets
Yeah, I'd agree that The Muppets is a far superior film for a lot of reasons. I spent hours researching both films for this video and somehow never came across that page 😅
You're not alone. I noticed it too, back when The Muppets came out. What IS strange, is the fact there's no other videos on this.
The only thing I remember from the Muppet Christmas movie is that the Twin Towers are shown in his alternate reality which means Kermit did something in his life that caused 9/11
Yes, the film is probably most known for that detail at this point 😅 I considered mentioning it, but the topic may get a video of its own at some point instead.
@@SomeBoiOnline Hey, at least a Night Club is better than digging for oil.
@@SomeBoiOnline I'd be interested in you making a video on the subject!!
Did it involve Crazy Harry?
@@ryandyer621 Crazy Harry- "Crwazy Hawry envolved in a conspiracy"
Chris Cooper: Can I copy your homework?
Joan Cusack: Sure, just change it up!
The reason for the similarity is that both of the movies are based on a concept, which was thought about since at least the 90s, when some fan outlets started writing about a few of the plot elements seen in the two of these. (From what I remember, that was a project meant to happen before Muppets from Space, or even Muppets in Space - the original script for the movie - took off.)
My theory is the events of The Muppets are Muppets canon that actually happened in universe and the Christmas one is the Muppets as actors making a TV special based on their own experiences.
I like it, but there is no set canon. Because the muppets themselves acknowledge that there’s no set canon.
Apparently, they're adding Manhattan, Space, and Kermit's swamp year's to D+, so I hope they add this one as well
Ideally I'd love to see all of them there, but as far as I know, Manhattan and Space aren't owned by Disney. Where did you hear this info if you don't mind me asking?
I don’t think it’s been official yet but with the Disney and Sony deal with allowing Spiderman and other Sony pictures being part of Disney+ in the future it’s speculated Sony’s Muppet owned movies could hopefully appear on Disney+ in the future.
@@SomeBoiOnline I've tried uploading the source twice, but the comment gets deleted or something. Go to @MuppetsHenson on twitter and it should be the third post down.
Oh that would be great, haven't yet heard this.
I think it's an automatic spam filter, I'll have a look - thanks!
7:07 I've seen both these movies several times each, but only while watching the clips under this voiceover did I notice the restaurant "Barretta's" next door to the theatre in the Christmas special. Nice nod to Muppeteer Bill Barretta, no doubt. (Pepe, Bobo, various others)
The Great Muppet Caper and Muppets Most Wanted feel very similar to me.
That was sort of by design though. Like how Caper was a heist comedy follow up to the original Muppet movie, Most Wanted was also to be the same to the 2011 Muppets.
One major difference is that Most Wanted works as an real sequel to the Muppets as it picks up right where the Muppets left off. Great Muppet Caper is really its own movie more so than a direct sequel to the Muppet Movie.
I have thought about too how The Muppets Most Wanted is the Modern Great Muppet Caper.
That is a good observation about Originally the Great Muppet Caper being a follow up to The Muppet Movie, then The Muppets Most Wanted being the next generation follow up to The Muppets.
Now there needs to be a third installment to the Muppets Franchise. Perhaps trying to get their show in Las Vegas, as they did in Manhattan .
I love both movies talked about in this video!
This story line was sorta used in the original The Muppet Show itself, when the owner J.P. Grosse wanted to demolish the theater.
Yeah I think its used as somewhat of a callback for Muppet fans who've followed them for a long time.
One of these movies is a really smart representation of The Muppets and features some of the Muppet performers’ strongest performances.
The other one was made by Jason Segel.
You can also compare MUPPETS MOST WANTED to THE GREAT MUPPET CAPER.
Yes I feel those two intentionally bare some similarities.
I've never noticed that I never watched the Christmas one since I always watch Muppets Christmas Carol but this was very surprising! Great video can't wait for Muppet content videos
Glad you enjoyed! 😀
@@SomeBoiOnline It was great! I don't know if you do request but I'll love to see a topic about Sesame Street
In my opinion, it’s great! You should definitely give it a warch
@@Parker_DNDnerd I've seen numerous of times such a great film
@@conceptcheeseentertainment definitely one of my favorites
I just happened to stumble upon this channel and this video. I've actually been saying for a while that A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was practically a precursor to The Muppets 2011...although I don't know many people personally who care enough about this stuff as I do so no one's really been around to listen. Haha.
I also think ..Muppet Christmas is quite underrated in terms of some of the humour used in it. Some of it is very odd and bleak, but I still remember enjoying it.
Glad to hear we share similar thoughts! Yes, the humor in the Muppet Christmas Movie can be good at times, then as you say, somewhat odd and bleak at others.
Very interesting comparison. I find it interesting how close these two films are. Although I'd consider the 2002 film more of an actual Muppet movie. 2011's film I felt could be titled 'Jason Segel & Amy Adams: featuring The Muppets' with the amount of unnecessary screen time the two are given. It's a shame that Muppets Most Wanted doesn't get the credit I believe it deserves.
I think that since general audiences likely weren't as familiar with the Muppets in 2011, the human characters are used as a means of reintroducing them. Once this is done, they seem to take a back seat near the end of the movie.
@@SomeBoiOnline True and to an extent I agree with that. But personally, I think there is still too much time given to the human characters even after we're re-introduced to The Muppets. The moment Kermit met up with Fozzie I believe should have been the human's cue to vacate the film. If anything, just send Walter off with The Muppets as the sole self-insert character for the audience.
We are now on a journey with the Muppets, we don't need Amy Adams with a pointless musical number or Jason Segel tagging along while the Muppets look for networks. It just felt like Jason Segel in particular tried everything he could to be in the same scene as everyone else when he served no point in being there. At least someone like Ricky Gervais played a role moving the plot forward.
I get he has a love for the franchise but again, it's called The Muppets. I care about them, not his character's internal conflict about being "a man or Muppet". But that is all just my opinion. Even Most Wanted commented that they spent a lot of time on the Walter plot instead of beloved Muppets
@@SomeBoiOnline Never bought that, which is why I found the whole premise of the 2011 to not work for me because it couldn't make me believe that people wouldn't still know who The Muppets are.
I haven’t seen the Christmas movie in a long time, so I didn’t realize this, but you’re right this is insane! Still doesn’t make either movie any less enjoyable, though.
Surprised I never noticed the similarities myself, having re-watched both movies several times- (both of these movies being some of my favorites, but that kinda goes for all underplayed/underrated movies of the franchise).
Once again, lovely video! Love seeing more muppet discussion here on youtube, being a bit of a Henson fanatic.
Glad to hear it! 😃
This was interesting, thanks. I miss quality Muppets content.
Thank you, really appreciate it!
first and a big muppet fan
hopefully they can make more movies again
Congrats 😉 Yes, I hope so too!
I was recently thinking about this, noticing the parallels between both movies are very similar
I'm glad to hear others picked up on them!
I hadn't even heard of the TV movie until I randomly found it on TV a few weeks ago.
Nice seeing you back! Haven't seen the latter, but might check it out now-interesting topic!
Thanks for the support, I've had an increased University workload recently, hence the slow uploads! Should be back to normal soon 🙂
@@SomeBoiOnline excited too see what you've got coming!
to add a 3rd layer gonzo was under a table in the great muppet caper at the fashion show and hears the entire villanious plot!
I've thought about this for years! Glad I'm not alone! Good job
It always slightly bothered me that Tex richman could buy and demolish the studio after pepe filed it as a historic landmark or something to prevent just that from ever happening
Thank you, great to hear that! 😀
I have been saying this since 2011. I also love both films. Thank you so much for such a great video.
Glad you enjoyed! 😀
7:22 ...prior popularity in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.
Hmm interesting, thank you again some boi :)
You're very welcome, glad you enjoyed!
I love both of these movies. I think The Muppets have been around long enough that there’s some unintentional self plagiarism
I watch it’s a very merry muppet Christmas every year!!
Eric Jacobsen plays Fozzie AMD Miss Piggy in both movies. But his Fozzie in IAVMMCM sounds SO much better than in 2011, even though it’s the same performer. Idk what happened, but it was really distracting in The Muppets
I felt his Piggy performance got a lot stronger between the two films as well, specifically when singing.
He’s back
I'm happy to hear you've missed me! 😀
Great video man. I really want some new muppet content I don’t care if it has Matt Vogel because he doesn’t bother me that much.
Thank you!
Im always telling this and in the muppets 2011 they also act like the havent seen eachother since the muppet show stopped airing
But in letter to santa they are all chilling together like best freinds like they always did. And that released a couple of years before the 2011 movie. Muppets became lame now
7:10 i think another reason that it hasn't gotten as much exposure as the other ones is because Disney didn't get it in the 2004 buyout
Yes, that's completely true! There's a lot of Muppet content that seems to be pretty much in limbo ownership wise.
@@SomeBoiOnline I wouldn't say it's in limbo per se. I remember seeing it on tv years after the buyout. And sony still proudly distributes and rereleases their muppet stuff every few years
Yes that's true. It's just strange to have most of the Muppets content owned by Disney (which really should all be available on D+), whilst the others, like you say, are distributed elsewhere.
@@SomeBoiOnline I believe disney is finally getting the Sony-owned stuff on disney+ since they made that deal with sony for some of their movies and stuff
Yes I did hear that! Great news if true.
With all the similarities I have to say that I found myself liking how the 2002 movie handled the premise better, even with it essentially being "It's a Wonderful Life" with Kermit.
I've only seen the 2011 movie once and just remember it not sitting well with me when their premise was based around selling the idea that The Muppets had become these forgotten relics of pop culture that weren't relevant anymore, like Disney was just wanting to play on the nostalgia of the original Muppet Show more than play up the characters themselves as timeless icons. In the 2002 movie they're clearly still relevant and entertaining people before they run into their troubles of having to save the theater, which weren't because of it being left rundown and unused like in the 2011 movie. I also prefer the resolution of having the theater be made into a historical landmark over having the bad guy in the 2011 movie get hit in the head with a bowling ball to forget all about wanting to tear the theater down, which some would almost want to think of as lazy writing even if played for laughs.
This is sure to be an even bigger hot take but as far as Muppet Christmas movies go I think the 2002 movie even feels more like a Muppets-centric movie with more of their traditional humor than Muppet Christmas Carol, not that I would ever try to suggest that it isn't a very good Christmas movie itself or a good adaptation of A Christmas Carol but for me it never feels as much like a "Muppets movie", IMO.
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Thanks! 😁
Another similar film: The Country Bears (2002)
Yup I've heard this being mentioned a few times!
@@SomeBoiOnline I've not seen the Country Bears movie personally, but I seem to recall someone saying its plot was very similar to the Blues Brothers (1980). I guess it's like that old saying, "There are only seven stories in the world."
Alot of plot points from the 2011 Muppets were also recycled from The Country Bears movie.
I hadn't originally heard of this movie, but since looking into it, I can certainty see the similarities!
The difference is that I can have a much easier time believing that The Country Bears could be forgotten about than The Muppets.
i just watched the christmas movie today and totally noticed that too! too bad the 2011 movie didn't also feature more Pepe
At least he gets the spotlight in a lot of the early 2000's stuff, I feel we'll be seeing more of him now Rizzo is gone.
Only one straight fact:The muppets movie is about.
How does the muppets they met and came,arrives to hollywood.
The muppets:2011
It's about to gather all the muppets and stop a richman oil to destroy the biggest,important to save the Muppet theaters studio show.I swearing in my soul I watch the 2011 in dvd.
They shouldn't have brought miss piggy back, she abused that poor lizard!! 😬😂
can you talk about sesame street and how it changed over the years
You know 2002 country bears movie had the exact same plot as the 2011 muppets. To which the Jim henson company was alston involved with.
Yes, I've heard this brought up a few times - they are undoubtedly similar!
Hmmmm still love these movies
Same here, though I'd have to say "The Muppets" is my personal favourite.
I never heard of this Christmas movie and I'm glad I didn't. The Muppets was an awful movie and another movie that lifts a lot of elements from it is probably awful too
Best word oil and Bear 😎
My life is a bacon wrapped hell on Earth
Great line, loved Kermit in the ABC series!
@@SomeBoiOnline Can't say hell.
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Will able to notice about this?.
I just saying this video,tells us about the difference and the betweens of the 2 movie the 2:There's the christmas special and the movie from the 2011.
It's basically taken of doing something.
Even notice.
In the 1978s the muppets.
Where it tells us.
How does the muppets came and arrives to the hollywood?.
There's the other movie it is called:The ñ
FINALLY
I've been saying this for years!
Glad to hear I'm not alone!
There's actually an entire page for the similarities on the Muppet Wiki which is a really interesting read.
While I do like It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, it isn't even in the same league as The Muppets.
muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Similarities_between_It's_a_Very_Merry_Muppet_Christmas_Movie_and_The_Muppets
Yeah, I'd agree that The Muppets is a far superior film for a lot of reasons.
I spent hours researching both films for this video and somehow never came across that page 😅
It's okay if Disney doesn't believe in The Muppets because I for sure don't believe in Disney😠
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