Edit 4k Video From a NAS in Premiere Pro (My Experience)

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  • @platypusrex256
    @platypusrex256 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Your video convinced me to not get a Synology NAS quite yet... I don't think I have a stomach for all the IT nerd stuff. No thanks.

    • @zephyrkhambatta
      @zephyrkhambatta 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Do you use like big external hard drives that sit on your desktop? I use the same currently… also considering getting a NAS

  • @JavierMercedes
    @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Loving these comments! Giving more great ideas of how to use my NAS!

  • @EdwinvandenAkker
    @EdwinvandenAkker ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have an 8bay Synology NAS, with 8TB drives. And I totally love it. I recently got the expansion unit, that I still need to install.
    I'm a video-editor _(and camera operator)_ as wel. But, I have this little nerd-alter-ego. And that proved to be very helpful. It didn't take long to get everything, including the 10GB networking stuff going.
    I tried other NAS'es. But I never found something as good as the DSM stuff.
    The little nerd inside, is also an app developer. So, I created a _Docker_ app, that runs on the NAS. The app is basically a media-manager, on steroids 😎
    The media-manager stores file data, and some clever database records. One record that describes the file. And another record that is basically a reference.
    So, when a store a file, it saves the data, and creates the records. But when a file already exists, only the reference is stored.
    In the years of production work, I had a lot of duplicate files. When I create a project, I have a project folder. When I re-use footage, it will be stored in some subfolder. But this results in duplicates. And over the years those duplicates add up. At one point I had about 30TB of files on the NAS. After installing and implementing my app, I was able to remove about 8TB of duplicates. I think it was even more.
    When un-archiving a project, meaning that it would construct a project folder, with all the files and structures, it was identical to the structure I used before archiving.
    Now, I'm expanding my NAS, and the app. I want to be able to do full project management with it as well. As wel as giving clients access via a portal, where they can get to their final video's. As well as a means to give feedback, add project info (like names, titles, scripts, etc).
    I love the app as is. But with the things I have in mind (even transcribing, auto captions, etc), it would be something to put in some app-stores.

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, very cool to see that you are building apps for NAS systems Edwin! I feel like my world has opened up to so many options now with this kind of infrastructure. Thanks for the input!

    • @EdwinvandenAkker
      @EdwinvandenAkker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JavierMercedes Well, see it like this: I'm a bit lazy. So, I try to automate as much as possible. 😉

  • @AzureAcademy
    @AzureAcademy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thanks Javier! I got a synology nas a while ago and a UniFi 10GB switch to I could be 10GB end to end from my editing rig. I still do not get the super smooth time line performance you were showing...and I'm not even working in 4K
    29 FPS Full HD 1920 x 1080 and the sequence is configured with those same settings.
    I use App ProRes Proxies as well
    media cache on a different share on the NAS then my project
    GPU Acceleration is enabled
    Not using LUTS of color correction until the end of the project, performance is still slow
    I have 64GB RAM total, 52 is for Premiere
    Any thoughts on how I could have Premiere misconfigured?
    thanks!

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I had the same issue but it had to do with turning the setup to jumbo packets and IP address needed to compliment each other. Look up how to manually setup your ip address so that you get the most out of your NAS

    • @AzureAcademy
      @AzureAcademy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JavierMercedes I have set jumbo packets on the NAS and windows already…I was thinking more about the premiere side…any thoughts there?

  • @VinceM797
    @VinceM797 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Did you set up M2 NVe SSD for caching? Or just the Hard drives? thanks in advance.

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No SSD for Cache, just hard drives

    • @VinceM797
      @VinceM797 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JavierMercedes thank you

  • @GreenBearSoul
    @GreenBearSoul วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dude yes. PERFECT INTRO THATS EXACTLY WHAT I NEED LOL

  • @GreenBearSoul
    @GreenBearSoul 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What would editing be like if you were to do it over the internet? Does it glitch a lot or is it doable? What's the difference between the 2.5 quart and the 10 port in terms of real-world use

    • @GreenBearSoul
      @GreenBearSoul 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Say you wanted to have a off-site editor if they were to make proxies would it be fast enough?

  • @JeremiahNichol
    @JeremiahNichol ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just built a NAS. My current workflow is to put all the footage on there but put all the proxies on my desktop drive. Everything gets a proxy. You get a proxy and you get a proxy and you get a proxy. Then just do the render. It takes a longer amount of time obviously coming off of the NAS but I don't risk losing my native files in the middle of a project

  • @JoshToonen
    @JoshToonen หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Javier, you're the man!

  • @zephyrkhambatta
    @zephyrkhambatta 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks; this helped! I’m a music producer and small TH-camr; but not an IT guy either. Just a decently intelligent; hardworking guy. Gonna try to “figure things out and learn” like you did.

  • @GregShaw
    @GregShaw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video Javier. It would be more cost effective to get 3 x 8TB drives, this still gives you the total 16TB of space the same as if you bought 2 x 16TB and still a drive of failure protection. 3 x 8TB drives are cheaper than 1 x 16TB in most cases.

  • @OldDesertLizard
    @OldDesertLizard ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love my Synology DS1520 NAS and my Synology RT6600ax Router. Producing Zoom events, downloading large recording files, editing in Premiere Pro - I’m the slowest part of the operation!

  • @denver_video
    @denver_video ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Javier! Great to see a closeup of the 10gb Ethernet port install. I upgrade one of my Mac's (M2 Pro Mini) in preparation to get a NAS this year or next. A relief to see how easy it might be to get the NAS compatible when pick one up. Excellent video with tons of detail and value thanks again! TJ

  • @EthanSmith
    @EthanSmith 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone mastered sharing Premiere projects across Mac and Windows? Share the same NAS but they give them totally different location names

  • @InstaAE
    @InstaAE ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think I’m going to buy a NAS. This is exactly what I need. My question is why is a NAS quicker than a simple SSD?

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      Wish I was more well versed in this subject so someone else could probably answer better than me but you can put ssd drives in there instead hdd. And depending on how you setup your raid, when you add more drives it actually gets faster because you’re drives work together. Hope that makes sense.

    • @InstaAE
      @InstaAE ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JavierMercedes ahh okay, no worries!!

    • @VinceM797
      @VinceM797 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not necessarily quicker (that depends on the system and setup), but there there are a ton more options with the NAS. Plus the AI built in to many of the new ones makes searching for older content easier etc... (versus having to dig through those old SSD's).

  • @kirkcaudill4381
    @kirkcaudill4381 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Javier! Is the 4GB RAM with that NAS what you used while editing on your Macbook Pro or did you upgrade the RAM on the NAS too?

  • @ItMeMarqD
    @ItMeMarqD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Javier, might sound like a foolish question but do you have your NAS connected to your router, and then from the NAS to the adapter then to the computer? My router is nowhere near where my laptop will be. I just want to set it up to my computer first and then maybe down the road, hook it up to my network. Also, with working off a laptop, I’m assuming if you want to disconnect your computer, you just go in a do it like you do a normal external hard drive?

  • @PizzlesTechTime
    @PizzlesTechTime หลายเดือนก่อน

    i have a 6 bay nas from Ugreen with ssd cache and as soon as the timeline gets dense it starts to crash

  • @noknowledgeiseverwasted
    @noknowledgeiseverwasted ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something (hopefully) helpful to note: Use NAS-spec drives such as WD Red or Seagate Ironwolf. I've been using Synology for about 15 years, and my typical unit over that time has been the 4-bay shown here. My most recent box absolutely DEVOURED consumer-grade hard drives; I was getting 3-6 months life out of them, regardless of brand. So far as I could tell it didn't used to matter, but maybe heavier duty drives have become necessary as NAS performance has improved? (Good news is that a drive failure in the 4-drive hybrid config shown here is not as scary as it might sound.)

  • @rwilkens2504
    @rwilkens2504 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cool! Did you just use the DS923+ including the two 4TB drives and 10GBe connection? Or did you have nvme SSD´s installed for bigger cache? Or any other further components?

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No other components, just what you saw.

    • @rwilkens2504
      @rwilkens2504 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the quick answer :)@@JavierMercedes

  • @zephyrkhambatta
    @zephyrkhambatta 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is the 10GBIT stuff absolutely necessary?

  • @OmniMediaLtd
    @OmniMediaLtd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I made a video about how to edit 4k vids without getting all that 10 gig stuff! It's very doable!

  • @RogerBergqvist
    @RogerBergqvist ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2017 Mac Book Pro.... A bit slower.

  • @miroslavmajer5155
    @miroslavmajer5155 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have my Synology for couple of years now and yeah, it's awesome! And not only you can use their app for photos, videos, but you can also create your own server in your NAS and you can use it for a prive communication like whatsapp, but it's in your own hands. Meaning, no data are being stolen and sold on your behalf by accepting shady rights agreement whenever you install and use 3rd party app like whatsapp/FB messenger etc. Same with e-mail. Plus, you can easily create LAN storage and connect that storage to your TV and then play movies on TV for your kids without adds etc. It's quite a handy tool worth it's money.

  • @TheBruSho
    @TheBruSho ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool, been wanting to upgrade to NAS for years but the price point has always scared me, but probably worth the investment in the long run. Hope you keep exploring the topic and do a follow up some day with more info on how you use it with your workflow

  • @steveelstermann3110
    @steveelstermann3110 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    my number one channel now, Thanks for these great tutorials.

  • @MariusIhlar
    @MariusIhlar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, awesome stuff. What's your read speeds? I have four 18 TB drives and I'm thinking of upgrading to 10 gbit.

  • @jking7519
    @jking7519 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Javier, 1 year later, how is the system working? Have you upgraded it with more drives? Have you changed the RAID type? If you've had any drive failures, has the system handled it per your expectation?

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  หลายเดือนก่อน

      No drive failures, system has exceeded expectations. I have added more hard drives to my system and I actually have it backing up to another slower NAS next to it. I kind of built my newest TH-cam studio around placing them in my closet if you haven’t seen recently. I’ll link the video in my next comment.

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Building My Dream TH-cam Studio
      th-cam.com/video/6oIFZCIysGE/w-d-xo.html

    • @jking7519
      @jking7519 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JavierMercedes Thanks, Javier. I did watch that video, too, and went pale at the sight of you crimping your own CAT-6 cables. Why do we do this to ourselves? What's been challenging in assessing the "NAS video editing" options is figuring out (1) what is essential vs. overkill (e.g. NVMe SSD) for snappy performance, and (2) which RAID type to pick. Your selection of SHR is reassuring, but other YT'ers promote RAID 10. Thanks again for hacking through the jungle and showing the way.

  • @EricMakingWaves
    @EricMakingWaves 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great freakin video! Love your humble attitude my man.

  • @EpicEren
    @EpicEren 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please help, but you cant import/ link footage from on demand synology to premiere...

  • @jyotiradityas
    @jyotiradityas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow man

  • @NVAfilm
    @NVAfilm ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video, better explanation than linus.
    I just wish it worked with unraid

  • @Christopher-do5qg
    @Christopher-do5qg ปีที่แล้ว

    🤩 Promo sm

  • @sarahrazaraza384
    @sarahrazaraza384 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm look like boom setup maybe one day I will be able to get it
    Love your tutorial please make some more advanced technique of premier pro

  • @darkestzone4418
    @darkestzone4418 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sor can you make videp tutorial for premiere pro.. about hate me fire transition

  • @danielgrindrod
    @danielgrindrod ปีที่แล้ว

    This was really useful, thanks Javier! out of curiosity, have you covered your scratch disk/ media cache set up when working from a Macbook Pro in another video? It's easy enough to have multiple drives for my PC but I haven't quite worked out a solid workflow for the Macbook yet.

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not yet! But sounds like a good idea Daniel!

  • @spinphoto
    @spinphoto ปีที่แล้ว

    For anyone who is watching this and uses a huge number of USB drives with archived footage, I bought NeoFinder (mac) that will catalog drive contents so I can search for footage without having drives connected. It's been great.

  • @alexopdam9100
    @alexopdam9100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe you could have put a sticker on the outside of your backup drive listing the contents.. or maybe you could have a spreadsheet on your computer listing the contents of everything so you can search and find it immediately. Did this really not occur to you as you were randomly picking up blank drives looking for old projects? I get that you're selling Synology and I'm not saying a NAS isn't useful but it's a disingenuous comparison if you're going to do the traditional backups in such an illogical fashion.

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      To be honest those methods never occurred to me but make complete sense now, I just started a new backup drive every year. There are other software’s out there I’ve heard of now that store destinations on them without the drive connected, I think carbon copy cloner? But I didn’t know about those until now.

  • @StevenSmith-nq5xe
    @StevenSmith-nq5xe ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Javier! It reassures me that you’re still figuring out your NAS. I had it set up for me and love the accessibility of material via the apps.

  • @PrimalEdge
    @PrimalEdge ปีที่แล้ว

    Groovy video. Lots of great information to process, thanks!

  • @joseviana248
    @joseviana248 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your shared experience !

  • @Butterflyfilmstudio
    @Butterflyfilmstudio ปีที่แล้ว

    Yasss!!! This video gave me FOMO!!!

  • @WillJauregui
    @WillJauregui ปีที่แล้ว

    ive been wanting a NAS for a while...but ended up just getting an 18TB external HDD because it wasnt going to cost like $2k and it takes up less space, but it frequently disconnects and reconnects and takes a while to spin up and load when i havent accessed it in a while...so it worries me that i dont have that redundancy lol, also, theoretically, if you just get a NAS with a 10Gbps USB connection....that should yield the same results as the 10Gbps ethernet, but with less adapters right?

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m not sure about the exact speeds with the 10 GbE connection but I didn’t see a drop in efficiency from when I would normally edit off of an ssd if that helps.

  • @VELVET462
    @VELVET462 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Blazing fast :D great

  • @elid377
    @elid377 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those disk drives i wouldnt work from, they fail I would never trust them. I have a system raid but use it surely for storage

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      Good to know! I do plan on having a second Synology NAS to backup to so hopefully I’ll have a good experience.

  • @ericholljes9143
    @ericholljes9143 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Javier! I've got your exact same setup. Did you have any trouble connecting your OWC directly to your synology? Are you using a switch? Thanks!

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      No switch, and connecting the owc took some trial and error but I was able to figure it out eventually.

    • @ericholljes9143
      @ericholljes9143 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice! Any advice on what ended up working for you? Otherwise I'm gonna have to return mine I think. Thanks!@@JavierMercedes

  • @benjaminbryer
    @benjaminbryer ปีที่แล้ว

    I myself have a Synology NAS, and I just today bought 8tb drives to upgrade my server. Been using this since last year and Im still amazed by this solution vs apple cloud and google & Dropbox etc...

    • @benjaminbryer
      @benjaminbryer ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this vid also, amazing!

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know right! It’s so cool that you get to setup your personal cloud service that works great!

  • @TheFPSChannel
    @TheFPSChannel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We’ve had Synology unit shared between two main stations for a little over a year. If I was going to do a video that summarized everything we went through and everything you learned it would’ve been Word for Word what you posted here. Exactly the same learning curve, exactly the same trepidation. The only thing that I would add is I wish there was a service out there where someone could review our system settings make sure we’re optimized as much as possible for Video editing, because I’m still not 100% certain that it’s as fast as it could be.

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think @SpaceRex does consulting and he is where I learned a lot of how to manage my machine. here is his channel, www.youtube.com/@SpaceRexWill

    • @TheFPSChannel
      @TheFPSChannel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! I'll check it out. @@JavierMercedes
      When first starting up , the media linked to clips and the timeline can take a very long time to link up properly with Premiere waiting o "find it" again. After a while the timeline can be more responsive as the media is loaded into it's SSD drive buffer.
      I don't pretend to be an expert on Synology drives or NAS systems. I did my research, chose the Synology system and loaded it with a 10gb card, new ethernet Cat 7 cables, added extra internal SSD cards for buffering the most frequent media, and raiding the drives as per Synology's recommendations and carefully setting everything up the way many TH-cam how-to videos recommend I do so.
      I'm editing on MacPro 2019 Intel systems with generous specs (3.2 Ghz 16 core Xeon W with a 32gig AMD Radeon Pro Vega II card, 96gig of DDR4 RAM, 10gb ethernet port)The only other computer on the network is our animator who shares the same project and files. She has been feeling her RAM previews have been slower than usual as well. (She has the exact same Mac setup as I do)
      Overall, the Synology has been a terrific workflow improvement in our office and we are happy with the purchase. But at times it's pretty sluggish getting that media to respond. I now have a habit of opening a project and then a timeline and getting a coffee while I wait for the timeline to "wake up". Not something I had to do with stand-alone drives. And I'm editing with low-rez proxies(!).
      I just have to wonder if I have optimized my NAS's settings to the most optimal set for video files. I even find just general file maintenance to be very slow and sluggish. If I try to move (not copy) a few hundred files from one folder within the NAS itself to another it can take an incredibly long time to complete the operation.
      I'd be thrilled to have someone say "Oh, I see the issue...you've got this setting wrong it should be this." and suddenly everything is super fast & responsive.
      When I watch and read the positive reviews of editing on a Synology NAS (including some fellow editor who ahve already done this) nothing seems to imply that there's a general lag one has to contend with. 🤔

  • @zapsizzle
    @zapsizzle ปีที่แล้ว

    Would to love to hear from anyone that is aware of the high chance of rebuild failure with Raid setups on high TB drives. I'd love to get 16tb drives but if the point of Raid becomes too risky with those might have to go for something smaller!

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I too would like to know this 🙋‍♂️

    • @DustinGlendinning
      @DustinGlendinning ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JavierMercedes I am the defacto IT person at our small production company. We have a 12-bay Synology unit that backs up every night to our old Synology unit that now has an expansion. We have 10 or 16 TB drives in pretty much all the bays, and two main storage pools we work from, each with different RAID setups. We also have snapshot protection turned on with different retention rules for different shared folders. All that to say (which you're right Javier, the learning curve of the industry vernacular is a little steep....but so is video production, so it's not insurmountable ;), drive failure is just cost of doing business. I don't lose any sleep about waking up to an email from the server saying a drive died. We have at least one spare 16TB drive on hand at all times, so when a drive dies (only had one give us the warning it was 'prone to failure' once in ~4 years) we just replace it with our spare and the RAID rebuilds itself. You lose a little speed while it's doing that, which with a ~40TB data pool takes about a day or so, but that speed loss is worth the peace of mind knowing we can either just A) pop in the spare drive B) restore from a snapshot if it's recent enough or to recover from a ransomware attack, or C) we have our separate backup NAS to pull from, so we're at most 1 day delayed from any data loss in a worst case scenario. (I haven't touched on offsite backups, since I"m paranoid about security and don't want to list out on a public forum what our offsite backup strategy is).

  • @TheRapidRadish
    @TheRapidRadish ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @mreddieau
    @mreddieau ปีที่แล้ว

    Helpful video, would have been nice to see speed tests

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      To be honest I would have done this but I just didn’t know how to test the speed on the NAS. What app can I use to do this?

    • @mreddieau
      @mreddieau ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JavierMercedes Blackmagic speed test software, free to download

  • @harivijayvenkatesan6468
    @harivijayvenkatesan6468 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tested the speed?

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not sure how to rest the exact speed but I was content to see that my editing workflow was the same speed as if I were editing an external ssd.

  • @prasenjitsur5167
    @prasenjitsur5167 ปีที่แล้ว

    which macbook is it?

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว

      2021 M1 MacBook Pro with all the speed upgrades.

  • @BGdev305
    @BGdev305 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to YEARS ago..

    • @JavierMercedes
      @JavierMercedes  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Back to the Future for me bg!

    • @martin_wood
      @martin_wood 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have two dead Nas Raids collecting dust. Hopefully the new ones are legit