It truly is. I know people regards Huohuo as a top tier healer due to her buffs but with Acheron and FF at the top, I barely feel the need for her. Yunli is just an enhanced Clara. Jiaoqui was supposed to be the one carrying the patch but after they butchered his kit, his pull value to a lot of people dropped significantly. Bcs of that, I would argue that Sparkle is the overall better pick in all of the banners
Considering the leaks rn, it's honestly better to save either way for lingsha or the wind hunt general foxian (i forgot her name). We can also assume that we'll most likely be getting the nihility trio of black swan, kafka and acheron in reruns soon as well anyways.
I feel Huohuo will have similar value lingsha. Huohuo has more offensive utility, lingsha might be better in super break and fua but there’s already aventurine and Gallagher for that.
Agreed. Saving for Feixio. Lingsha looks to be very niche and if you already have Gallagher then oof. Gallagher is just as good better save my jades or go all in with Feixio.
One thing to take note; Yunli may be the only one that can make March Hunt reach max potential considering how often she attacks and uses her ult, which helps March build up stacks faster, unleashing more enhanced basic attacks This may be another double dps setup situation
If we gonna have to pull for this collab, then I expect them not adding new heroes on top of it at the same time, or it's just gonna be cash grab on fomo.
It's good to have low expectations, but considering their older game HI3 collab with Eva, I'm pretty sure they will released an entire new character that never get a rerun just like Asuka.
It's nuts, because a pretty vocal portion of the community on the leaks subreddit were praying he wouldn't be a healer and (then later in beta) that he'd get DoT built into his E0 kit (was initially in Eidolons). Well they got their wish - now he sucks.
Yunli is drastically underrated by the community, beta testers are saying she's competing with Acheron & Firefly (or whoever else you think is T0). She was overtuned to hell due to CN complaining they didn't feel too much of an improvement from Clara. Direct powercreep characters are in general likely to end up incredibly strong to incentivize players to pull, same thing might happen to Lingsha.
Beta testers...those ppl doesn't know how game works, i wouldn't listen a single word about power lvl of chars from them, u can only watch animations and basic mechanics from those ppl
@@greenvega I'm talking about people from a specific discord server where everyone does 0 cycles and takes full advantage of wind set, DDD, etc. If anything Yunli will perform worse in the hands of players who don't fully understand the mechanics (i.e. players who think Acheron and Firefly are far above everyone else).
@@27Ganon The people who think Acheron and Firefly are far above everyone else are the people who actually do the math, though it would seem to me like you don't understand why people think they're so far above. Hint: It doesn't have to do with big numbers.
Worth noting- the new sustain unit coming in the next patch sounds busted for the super break team so far. Basically powercreeping the hell out of Gallagher and even Luocha considering shes like Topaz and Luocha rolled into one break effect unit. Dishs out high break damage, heals, cleanse, emergency heals, and even defense shred with eidlons
I think at e0 Huohuo still seems stronger in every comp outside of super break. And for fua there’s aventurine. So I think she only seems good for FF/super break mains
Might be what I end up doing once I finish off getting my acheron and Firefly teams fully stacked after these couple banners. They can handle all content making most others easy skips unless someone comes along that can fit in their comps.
Yessss, pump the Jiaoqiu slander into my veins. If enough people complain, they might actually revert his ridiculous nerfs on beta. It's honestly absurd at this point they'd nerf anything for 'balance' after releasing FF and Acheron...
Crazy that there is only 4 (maybe 5) meta MALE characters in the game now, the rest have one mode or powercrept hard. Those are: DHIL (yeah he’s still strong and average MoC scores are pretty good) Boothill Aventurine Gallagher (soon out of the job with Lingsha I hear) Dr. Ratio ( even though I think boothill is the better hunt unit, Ratio is still alright bc of FuA team) JQ was supposed to add to this list, but instead only lists he’s making is units butchered by hoyo alongside Dehya.
I have no limited sustain, but I dont need HuoHuo. Gepard works great with Acheron and Gallagher works great with Firefly. Furthermore Lingsha is coming out. And if the leaks are correct, then not only will she be best in slot for firefly, but she would also be really good for acheron because Lingsha ult would apply toughness weakness debuff on all enemies.
Failed to mention that Lingsha will be releasing literally a patch after HuoHuo, who is also a abundance unit who will proooobably unless Hoyo hates her be better than HuoHuo
I hate to say it... but even though Gallagher doesn't have anywhere near as powerful of a cleanse or healing kit as HuoHuo... he is arguably better than her when you put Gallagher in his best teams vs Huohuo in her best teams. HuoHuo is a lot more universal, and is way more friendly for people that lack 2 limited sustains. But, as far as ceilings go... Gallagher is absolutely better than Huohuo. I need to mention that I'm talking about E4 Gallagher HuoHuo in a lot of cases just ends up being "overkill", and usually anywhere between 30 - 70% of her healing ends up being wasted. Realistically, you should never die if you have all proper mainstats at +9 (let alone +15. I know because these are my builds for Aventurine and Huohuo, and I cleared C&G 12 and DU 6 like this). Gallagher is the perfect blend of being able to do ridiculous toughness damage, being the *best* SP generator in the game, being able to solo heal quite easily in the hardest gamemodes, and has a nice gameplay loop that isn't just a "press skill to win" button like Huohuo and Aventurine. The reason Gallagher is able to pull all of this off and generally doesn't have to worry about cleansing is simply because enemies are broken for a long time. Why heal or cleanse when enemies just... don't attack you? The stars seriously aligned for Gallagher. And yes, I'm not kidding about his SP generation. He is +1.2 SP per turn in an ideal scenario (and that scenario is easily achieved, even in MoC 12 and PF 4. Not so much AS 4). This is the absolute highest in the game. This is already better than Hanya, who is +1 per turn, and her kit was *designed* to be an SP generator. Sparkle is +.33 per turn. It's kind of sad lmao. Lingsha has such a ridiculous ceiling to break. I really badly hope it's not another "press skill to win" character
@@Minuey the issue is that superbreak is only one team, one that many (myself included) dont play. sure hes great in that team, but anywhere else he becomes a B tier at best unit. even aventurine, as good as he is, is only really valuable in follow up and acheron teams. anywhere else and his shield uptime isnt as good, his damage isnt as good, and he can only resist around 1/3rd of debuffs. huohuo is undoubtedly the best "universal" sustain, which is really valuable when people cant build specific archetypes like break/follow up (or simply dont want to).
2.4* and yes, should be because of 9/11 since typically tragic historical events stall things a bit. I believe Yunli's drip marketing got delayed a day due to the Tiananmen Square Tragedy
How likely is it that they release another character like Sparkle who is also a SP printer? Because I feel like all CN players are really undervaluing that aspect of Sparkle. Even if her team comps are not meta, being able to give so much SP on demand can literally make the difference between a win and lose based on damage.
they do cause they care abt 0 cl, her lunae team is still her strongest for non hardcore players that wanna get the job done .even in pf, in no sustain teams with dual dmg dealers, her sp gen is no joke.
@@osmano8498 But the thing is, That can limit you and ur units, So by using sparkle you can use many SP negative units together, And some have a higher SP consume like QQ and Lunae
Hypercarry not being as relevant as it was before, should have absolutely no impact on Sparkle's rating in hypercarry, because the point of rating her in hypercarry is to assess her efficiency there, not how often hypercarry is used in general. Plus, there are more hypercarry teams and variants than there are DoT/FuA comps (+ Acheron).
I need a second sustain I only have fuxuan bailu,ghalager, lynx and gepard forr a second team i literally need a huohuo as a sustain and i just want sparkle😂
Huo Huo still more valuable to pull tho. While Sparkle can just be used with other harmony or other nihility for Acheron team. Sparkle becoming a niche harmony just like the cn value her at 9/10 for hypercarry and 1/10 for FUA, DoT and Break teams. People might rather use other harmony as they are really versatile and can be played with other teams.
So no hate to any of the characters, Yunli for physical floors and dont have Clara still a solid pick up. Huohuo isnt really needed too much, still the best healer and bis for the DoT team. Jiaoqiu- while not as bad as people are doompostingabout, outside of Acheron and maybe DoT teams you can probably fill his role with someone else. Still pretty solid if youre looking for a limited Nihility, but a side grade if you do have some in your collection Sparkle, Id argue is probably the most value here or if you have her probably pick up her LC instead.
Sparkle's the only must pull here if you don't have her. I think CN slightly undersold it with the 9/10, there will always be more hypercarry units coming out in the future. Hell, even Yunli will actually quite like Sparkle, much moreso than Clara, due to the heal on her skill and the reliance on the ult taunt. If you don't have Sparkle and you skip, I think that's a very short-sighted move.
Not really a must pull. Even bronya ruanmei is enough for hypercarry. Or tingyun ruanmei for clara yunli comps. Counter mechanics dont even need action advance
@@winningsonn Just because Clara and Yunli both have counter mechanics doesn't mean they both want all the same supports. Yunli wants more speed than Clara because her skill is her sustainability, and because more skills = more ults = more taunts. Clara benefits from a couple of turns of increased aggro after an ult. A taunt, on the other hand, only lasts one enemy action, so refreshing it more often is very important, which means speed has value. Sparkle is a great source of hypercarry speed, she provides all the stats you'll want on Yunli and allows more SP hungry supports. Her skill buffs also last to the target's next turn, unlike Bronya, making her way better for counter characters.
@@DarthDionius Ok,first of all im not saying sparkle is bad, im just saying bronya/ruanmei is 'enough' for hypercarry so sparkle is definitely 'not a must' pull. Tingyun/ruanmei on a hypercarry teams can perform just as well as a team with sparkle in it. And depends on how u build ur tingyun, u can keep ur clara/yunli ult with 100% uptime. And with more meta like dot/break/fua. u'll need her less. Imo better save those pulls for a more versatile support.
@@winningsonn Ruan mei isn't actually needed for break teams because technically another option is ''enough'' and so on and so forth, No unit in the game is a must pull when all modes can be cleared with 4 stars, But for those who care about overall account value ''must pull'' can kind of be applied and in this case, She would be one.
I think CN rating sustains if you already have 2 as 1/10 kinda not right at this point in the game when Gallagher and Aventurine can bring so much dmg to their niche and can take advantage of specialist buffs Hoyo loves to do can result in even bigger gains improving team performance overall. Its something to keep in mind as new sustains seem to be bringing lots of value even if you owned Luocha and Fu Xuan as your first two limited sustains.
yea, wonder what they will say about Lingsha as she will be basically a Nihility breaker/ sustain in one. Gallager is already a BiS for Firefly and she is going to be even better.
@@tidus9942 Yeah when Gallagher was the most used sustain in Apcalyptic Shadow even over all the technically better limited ones because he is fire break unit I don't think you can say sustain slot is interchangeable as CN is making it sound. The right sustain can drastically change the outcome of a battle.
i think the standard for a built non-healer in CN is just higher. like, Gallagher can save you 1 cycle but they're clearing just fine without his extra damage anyway. and people don't use sustain in 0-cycles anyway. @@kennethyoung7457
@@tidus9942 It's going to be the same situation as with Jiaoqiu, she'll probably be ~15% better than C6 Gallagher lmfao. You can only buff an already broken unit so much
No team really NEED HuoHuo. She just spend too many skill points to maintain her buffs, she's not worth at all. Forget those fucking tierlist, Lingsha will be much better than HuoHuo in every way possible, her rerun now is totally a trap
If someone is using huo huo properly, they shouldn't be spending too many skill points. That's a skill issue. I run her on my dot team all the time for moc, and she is almost always sp neutral. High level apocalyptic shadow? Yeah she struggles a bit, but in general she is solid. Lingsha looks to be strong for break effect squads too. Awesome, but if she doesn't provide energy or damage like huo huo, as well as being best cleanser in the game, then they will have separate niches. Time will tell though.
@arionmoschetta just keeping it real. I know it's tough on ego when it's a skill issue, but it is what it is. I didn't properly use seele back in the day and thought she was bad. No, she is fantastic. That was a skill issue on my part. If your using a lot of sp with huo huo, that's on you. Gotta keep it real
My Acheron is E2/S1 already (for $250 because I lost 50/50 twice in classic Hoyoverse fashion) and she is so busted with Sparkle, Pela and Gepard. Adding in Jiaoqiu will just improve the performance by a very mininal amount. 2.4 is an easy skip for me since I am still building relics for some of the recent 5 stars I got.
@@darkgrundi9543still the best support for Acheron(even if Acheron is e0) and Acheron is still the "best" DPS in the game. FF comes very close though.
I'll throw a coinflip on HuoHuo, but otherwise saving for Acheron rerun to get E2. Can't justify spending resources on Jiaoqiu for an Acheron boost when I could just invest that in Acheron herself
even before i knew the reruns i was planning this patch to be a SKIP Patch and now with both new characters Nerfed and became somewhat "MID" this just solidifies that my decision to skip everything this patch even more
@@senioralexander6681 dude its v3 now its almost the final version they rearranged her some of her traces/eidolons(forgot exactly) and lowered most damage % she became a spammer more than a heavy hitter
i'm planning on pulling huohuo for my dot team to increase damage but im not quite sure, i have fu xuan and gepard and have also built gallagher for firefly. gepard and gallagher dont seem to perform as well as fu xuan in moc. i have e1 black swan and her sig lc so i dont need to pull during her rerun. idk if i should pull for huohuo or not
going to pull Yunli anyway but my sustain are full of Preservation (FX, Aven, Gepard) so they might overlap Yunli in for enemy aggro (when she's not on ult)... I don't have HuoHuo so perhaps I also need to pull for her. problem is, I have about 20 pulls rn + estimate 60 pulls from first half, in next 10 pull I'm going to get guarantee Yunli so that's leave me about 70 pulls(?) available to try luck on HuoHuo OR LC for Yunli to seal her deal when pair with preservation unit... I wonder which one should I try luck with.
imo not worth it your acheron is already E2S1 doing ridiculous damage every turn. he probably would up grade your damage but by how much? 10%? 15%? then outside of that team hes just dogshit everywhere else? i would never pull, just me though
Yeah just E2 your Sparkle man, I have E2 acheron too (who’s kinda benched rn crazy I know) and may or may not E2 my sparkle, but the def ignore from E2 sparkle is great bc it adds on with the def shred from your SW (or pela), JQ may help you if you wanna use a non DoTcheron team in PF, but outside of that? Not that big of an upgrade thats worth 80+ pulls.
JQ is significant for e2 acheron. He is a bigger upgrade for the team then sparkle e2. if you want to make your acheron team better you absolutely pull JQ. He is a bigger increase to acheron then Ruan mei is for alot of teams that people had no problem pulling her for. You clearly like acheron so pulling him for her shouldnt be something holding you back.
I honestly think that this patch is just not good. Huohuo is arguably still great and honestly the most valuable character to get if you don't have a healer or shielder but not really worth it if you already have a good healer/shielder. Jiaoqui is not worth it anymore due to all his nerfs and the healing ability being scrapped for some reason when lore wise he is a healer but now doesn't heal. Sparkle is Sparkle, a good value character that pretty much works in any team but can totally be skipped. Then Yunli is literately just Clara but stronger and better.
As of right now my priority is Huo Huo because she fills a gap on my teams but boy oh boy do I want Feixiao. Hoping my plans don't mess up those pulls.
im using Lucha and E6 Galager right now as my sustains... should i think about pulling huo-huo for my kafka team or nah? my main comps are DOT, firefly super break, and Jing liu atm
huohuo would definitely be the play for dot, gallagher is good for the break and luocha for jingliu, so if u want to complete the dot team then u could get her if u want, but if ur doing fine without her then u could skip I wouldn’t know what’s it’s like without huohuo because I’ve had her since release but if ur chilling then don’t feel pressured to pull
Currently my most used team is: - Acheron E2,Pela,Bronya,Fu Xuan E1... And - Firefly, MC, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher. Here is some other 5★ characters that I had: DPS: Jingliu and Seele. Harmony: Bronya and Ruan Mei only. Abundance: ... Nothing Preservation: Fu Xuan and Gepard (I lately use him tho' nowadays) So who should I pull for my account in this condition? or it's better to just save more for later characters? I am managing to clear all the endgame content with that two teams already... But I'm kinda bored to play the same team over and over again... Pls help me with this
characters like Clara and Yunli get stronger and more relevant the more speedier enemies become and the more they advance themselves. By them releasing a character like that, we can be absolutely sure Borisin and those IPC wolf bots will benefit a kit like hers = which also means Clara will be in her element as well. If Yunli cone is good that is 100% upgrade for Clara, which I hope that it is. After all, getting Clara eidolons is kind of impossible
if you’re using e2 acheron then you should use pela and pull for sparkle and put her on the team, sparkle>jiao on e2 ach team in terms of damage boosting, but if it’s e0 then might be more worth to replace gui wifth jiao
All I have is Natasha, Gallagher, and Lynx as my sustain. Should I pull for the limited sustain banner or sparkle? Also Dan Heng is my only dps. I’m an F2P player that started 1 week ago.
I've been playing since christmas, never felt I needed a limited sustain. Been doing just fine with E0 Gepard, E6 Lynx and now E6 Gallagher. Granted, there have been times when I had to restart MOC a couple of times until I got a decent clear, but most of the time I feel like I'm lacking damage, not sustain. All three of them have kept me alive for 10+ cycles in MOC 12, which is about twice as long as a 3* clear takes. I'd say get strong Harmony buffers or Nihility debuffers first and snatch the first broken dps that comes around and fits your account. Only pull for sustain if you really like them or they benefit your team massively on top of keeping you alive. I.E Aventurine for Follow-up or Houhou for DOT.
The only thing that would have made me pull Jiaoqiu would be if he was a solo sustain Pela+, which is what leaks suggested back around Acheron’s release. I guess it would just be too good especially for E0 Acheron who could then fulfill her passive with a harmony and sustain. Guess we’ll never get that unit and E0 Acher will instead fall off earlier than she needed to, sad.
they werent even leaks, just assumptions. same with new units' info...people believe in any bit of info they see months ago from a units' reloease, it's crazy..
@@johnd7760 It must be more than assumptions since they had quite a lot of info that they got right about the characters. Obviously kits change from first iteration to release, but that's a total overhaul / nerf. Now he's just the easiest skip of all time. I would have pulled Acheron regardless, but I guess it's good to know for the future to never assume a character will be anything like early leaks suggest.
@@bjornnilsson2941 idk abt that, even the debuff was named "flavor" in that sheet which was changed but i get what u mean. by saying "would've pulled acheron regardless" u mean, u saw that before her release? interesting, way way earlier than beta leaks so yeah.. dont forget poor screwlum and his alleged kit and release months ago, as well😅 whats funny, is ppl were stuck with that kit info till now, and even askin in discord "if hes enough as solo sustain" lol.. feixiao has multiple pages with different info these past weeks😂
I really was hoping Black swan was this patch. Now, i might talk myself into huo huo E1 or Lc and I know I dont need it but gonna be a hard half to ignore. Sparkle LC makes her a pseudo dual buffer with the cr and cdmg buffs
We haven't seen what Feixiao can do yet and you don't really want to run into the problem of having 2 dps that need the same supports. I would wait awhile to see what Fei Xiao even does before pulling for Yunli.
Yeah basically. By the looks of it she doesn't really need any support to make her kit work at its fullest, and one of her best teammates is March 7th Hunt, who is free (+ like Clara, counter bot esc characters typically work super well in the story segments)
Hi. I'm 2.0 noob. Right now I have E2 acheron team and firefly RM team. I only have 2 decent sustain. Which is e6 gallagher and gepard. I really like to wait for aventurine rerun. Is huo huo good with either of my team?
If you think you need team-wide instant cleanse, then consider getting Huohuo. Meta-wise, she works the best in DOT and Clara/Yunli teams. Gepard is a good sustain for Acheron because he can provide her with stacks from his skill that can freeze (and if you equip him with the Trend LC). Gallagher is great for both Acheron and break teams due to his ultimate. Huohuo doesn't provide any debuffs, she instead has cleanse, energy regen and attack buff. Neither Acheron or Firefly need energy regen. You'll only be bringing Huohuo if the bosses' CCs become too much for your Acheron/Firefly teams that even Gallagher can't keep up.
@@pearlofivris My original reasoning was end game bosses nowadays give a lot of debuff ie. Cocolia's freeze at difficulty 4 and sunday's 3 robots. Funny enough I can get my way through DU protocol 6 with firefly team but not difficulty 4 swarm disaster with either of my teams. I thought to myself either I'm getting cleanser or stronger shielder. That's why I was considering getting Huo huo for my account. But now I'm set on getting Sparkle and muh boi Aventurine.
I think getting sparkle and getting aventurine is for sure the move gallagher would work for acheron but aventurine with the trend lightcone and his ult gets acheron stacks faster gepard works for acheron for now but it was always hard keeping his shield when the enemies would get rid of it so soon, and trust me I built aventurine terribly but he still tanks everything gallagher is the best u can get for firefly for now so keep him there, and gepard shields isn’t so reliable and not sp positive sometimes, so aventurine is better short answer huohuo doesn’t rly work for either
@@Goatmilkmoment Thanks. Everything you mentioned is how I run things right now. I kinda have a solution for gepard's inconsistent shielding. That is to make him superspeed. But his slow ass made it feels like I'm fighting against nature. With that amount of substats, other support ussually already at 160 but his ass sitting on 144 in my account.
I do think 40% more atk is more valuable if you are using acheron or dhil as they can just get their turns with sparkle skill but if you are running something like dotcheron the speed buff is better because in this case your sparkle is just collecting dust in your inventory
imo heavily depends on your teams, but personally i would choose e1 huohuo especially if i am running her in a dot team where i really want the SP for kafka/blackswan or even in a jingliu comp with bronya
40% atk isnt as universal. I dont know the specifics on the speed buff so not sure on that one. My advice is, if you arent sure about the benefit of Eidolons, dont pull for them. Some are stupid strong but others just arent worth it, and its better to make a choice if you are absolutely sure they will be amazing otherwise you will end up regretting.
Please help! I need advice on who to pull, I currently have an e0s1 Acheron and a e1 sparkle, but I have no sw or black swan I’m not sure if pulling e2 sparkle or pulling jiaqiu would be better for my Acheron
E2 sparkle and maybe even try for e1/e2 Acheron, regardless e2 sparkle is busted for hyper carry and makes up for not having two nihility on e0 Acheron team or you could use sustain less e0 team
Sparkle's Straight out more Versatile, and her E2 goes absolutely Crazy with other comps, so I'd say Get E2 Sparkle, and you can even try getting E2 Acheron if you wanted too.
im a new player (F2P mostly), i only have Gallagher (E5) and the usuall Lynx/Natasha, would worth to pull for HuoHuo to have a good general sustain character? (also for the chance of getting Lynx E6).
@@senioralexander6681 i already have Clara E1, (lost my first 50/50 ruan mei but got clara, got ruan mei after that and got her again on the normal banner, also got himeko) and Yunli is basically clara but a little bit better. Im asking for HuoHuo because i alreary have 3 sustain characters (Gallagher, Natasha, Lynx), idk if keep my Stellar Jades for Sparkle and her LC.
You should wait for Linsha in 2.5 if you only look at meta. There is no way the new abundance character will be worse than HuoHuo. You might want to look at leaks to make a more educated decision. Huo Huo is imo only worth if Linsha is dogshit in Dot comps and you only play those Dot comps.
I don't have any Physical DPS so I really want to get Yunli, also her design animation is pretty good. Hard decisions ahead. Anybody else no Physical DPS looking to pull Yunli?
imagine jiaoqiu was ANY other element, making a dot character fire immediately makes me think he'll be a not so good unit. i thought he'd be a wind type first time i saw him, rly unfortunate
I'm skipping everyone for a e2 s1 acheron. Her playstyle fits me very well and I already have an e2 bronya so I mind as well out her to good use. After that i'll probably wait for sparkle or another good harmony unit/unit in general that synergizes even better with her.
new player, should I pull huo huo or sparkle? I recently pulled argenti and I want to make a team best for him and also someone that can be useful in the future.
if you want his best team then youd have to get both of them lol, and they are both pretty useful for the future but imo sparkle would be better in terms of futureproofing, and if u can’t get both then if ur not having sustain problems then get sparkle
Returning playing that only played 1.3, def pulling for huohuo as my second premium sustain (my other is FuXuan) and getting sparkle for my DHIL everyone in the comments saving for fate collab lol
I Highly Recommend her, she one of the 3 Best Harmony units in the Game. Though it is really up to you, if you like her. or like her Supportive Capabilities.
I pray for the day of the Hypercarry's return! I Love Jingliu and Sparkle, but compared to Acheron + Black Swan + Pela, it's just not worth... I like Fua Comps and DoT (Kafka + Black Swan), but i still prefer 1 HyperCarry + 2 Harmony + 1 Sustain (I used to pick Jingliu + Bronya + Sparkle + Fu Xuan / Jingliu + Sparkle + Huohuo + Fu Xuan) I miss it
Also for HH, pullers beware do not say I didn’t warn you. She is a strong unit with major drawbacks that will make you feel bad. 1. SP, if you run rm esp with lc in dot team, irrelevant concern, but with FF, rm might already be somewhere else. Now what?If you use her with a slightly tight team, you are screwed. You’ll know it’s shit when you auto on Kafka 2. Passive healing, in reg content you can skip healing in favor of sp with little drawback. But why don’t you try that in apocalyptic shadows 😊. Those hh copers, how many pts did you get? How many retries? Bottom line is that HH players value her ceiling over comfort. I’m not gonna say it’s wrong, but personally I’m busy. That 10 second longer run is not worth all the annoyance and scuffed runs. If you are a whale get e1s1, now she no longer has any problems. Hyv made her as a p2w character.
It's a hard choice. Sustains show up rarely but there is another limited sustain around the corner but there is also other dps. Honestly just pick which you like better and it's a good choice.
For me, it depends on the rerun banners of the next patch, it the next one patch has Acheron or feixiao lives up to the Acheron hype then I’ll indeed skip, if not then I’ll pull jiaoqu with one 10pull
I’m not gonna lie, huohuo has lost a lot of value (i speak as an e1 huehue haver) with the current meta being break and acheron, her buffs don’t do much for them and there are better sustains for both of those teams though she’s still amazing if you use teams like jingliu, argenti and dot (there are other teams i forgot 😂)
Personally, I’m going to go for Yunli, since I’m at 77 pity with a 50/50; and if I get her, nice, but if I don’t, I’ll just save for Feixiao and/or Lingsha :))
I really agree with the thought about HuoHuo if your sustain can sustain your team it'll be better to Gacha your support or DPS eidolon, I also never Gacha another sustainer after I have Luocha and FX bcs they can sustain my team. I just gonna wait for Emanator of Abundance and Preservation if they playable 🤣
still annoying to see Yunli just being a copy past plus upgrades to clara at least when you do something let me be able to run them together as a Counter attack team (my dream team since the Game start) with no anti synergies (the aggro), but nah Clara is too f2p I still use her to clear content and probably the reason why they try to replace her. Currently, only plan to grab her lc for clara then saving for bs e1 or go full in feixiao and maybe a copy of lingsha depends on if she is good outside of break teams
I would like a meta perspective advice pls. I'm debating on whether to pull for Hue Hue or JQ. I have a Jingliu and an Acheron team (Jingliu already has Bronya and Ruan Mei) yet I'm using a C2 Bailu for sustain. On the other hand Acheron only runs Pela and Gui alongside Gallagher. Should I pull for Hue Hue to complete Jingliu's team or pull for JQ and replace my C0 Guinafen? I'm also wondering if it would be better to wait for Black Swan as she slots well in an Acheron team. Any advice from anyone versed on this would be much appreciated :D
Jingliu Bronya Ruan Mei might have some issues with sp. It will limit the use of Huohuo. Also Jingliu seems to be falling behind in terms of meta. I would recommend getting Jiaoqiu.
I usually don’t advise pulling rerun characters. If you want to clear end game content easily focus on Archeron. Pull for Jiaoqiu to replace your E0 Gui. As much as he was nerfed(ish) He’s still the best support for Archeron. C2 bailu should do for now. If you have any break teams which is the Meta currently (since you have Ruan Mei) and fei xiao is upcoming, pull for Ling sha which is a break healer and buffer
Huo Huo trust, Shes also way more versatile and her energy will go a long way, You will do fine with Guinafen and Gallagher as long as there built correctly, If you get JQ (Jiaqou) over Guinafen it will barely feel like a difference
New player here. Built my Boothill team with RM, Gallagher, and HMC. I like the idea of a DoT team and kinda don't know if i should skip Sparkle for Huo² or vice versa. Huo² seems better for DoT, but Sparkle giving extra skill points seems like she might be a better investment overall. Any advice welcome
So Sparkle shines most in hyper carry. DHIL for example loves Sparkle. Dr Ratio as well. And mono quantum also appreciates Sparkle. But if you arent doing that style of play, then Huo Huo is fantastic for DOT teams if you want to invest in that style of play in the future. So really its about choosing what style you want for your second team. A hyper carry style or a DOT style. Side note, if gallagher is your only strong sustain, it is good for any account to have at least 2 high quality sustains. IDK if you have a fu xuan or aventurine or somethin, but yeah. Personally, since you expressed you're interested in DOT, I would go Huo Huo and look out for Kafka and Black Swan etc. But that is just me
@GodofGoblins gotcha. Yeah Gallagher is my only real sustain atm. I don't have a limited Sustain, but I really want Aventurine when he reruns. I started a playing during Boothill's 2nd week primarily because of him. I ran into content that requires 2 teams and also need a team that can deal with enemies that lock their toughness meter Ala Gepard. I'll probably go for Huo² then unless the fire abundance 5* they announced has a kit more tuned for DoT. Thank you again for your insight
Listen I’ve skipped patches especially anything with DOT, and I got an e2 firefly, and she destroys, it’s worth saving your jades especially if you’re mostly clearing content
There is no skippable banners, Just give in to your desires, LET IT RUN FREEE!!!!!! NO PULLS??? THERE'S ALWAYS A DREAMS!!! 1 PULL AND A DREAMM GRAHHHHHHHHHH
It’s the Huo Huo curse. Last time it was Argenti. Now it’s Jiaoqiu.
Curse of huehue
wdym argenti is still very good at PF and good in MOC, jiaoqiu after his massive nerfs is just mid
@@yurimiracle7768he is amazing in PF, but I'd not use the word good in MOC. Argenti is mid in both MOC and AS
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Jiaoqiu got overnerfed, because nobody is allowed to overshadow your forced waifu Firefly, even Acheron.
It truly is. I know people regards Huohuo as a top tier healer due to her buffs but with Acheron and FF at the top, I barely feel the need for her. Yunli is just an enhanced Clara. Jiaoqui was supposed to be the one carrying the patch but after they butchered his kit, his pull value to a lot of people dropped significantly. Bcs of that, I would argue that Sparkle is the overall better pick in all of the banners
as a huohuo haver, her most important niche for my account is when fighting enemies with a lot of debuffs/cc
As a sparkle with lightcone haver I indeed confirm that this is the skip patch
Sparkle is obligatory pull on my account, for my Jing Yuan hyper carry.
Is her lightcone worth it
it's basically: if you have dps, 2 sustains and atleast 2 of the holy trinity supports, then this a skip patch.
Siince Gallagher released I forgot what limited sustain even is.
Blud just forgot to classify himself as a 5-star. Gallagher is easily the strongest 4-star in the entire game, and probably only Tingyun is close.
Fr, luocha died the moment gallagher releases
Fr he replaced every place my Natasha was ocupying 😂
I REALLY need Huohuo, its a must-pull for me 🫠
14:12 this is the first time ive actualy heard him say huohuo's name 💀💀
HVEH HVEH
WAHHH WAHHH
If you paid attention in the first 20 seconds of the video he said Huo Huo as well.
@@codealias3234He means actually saying it correctly bro. Like the actual mandarin pronunciation.
Considering the leaks rn, it's honestly better to save either way for lingsha or the wind hunt general foxian (i forgot her name). We can also assume that we'll most likely be getting the nihility trio of black swan, kafka and acheron in reruns soon as well anyways.
Her name is fei xiao and i'm saving everything for those two during this patch.
I feel Huohuo will have similar value lingsha. Huohuo has more offensive utility, lingsha might be better in super break and fua but there’s already aventurine and Gallagher for that.
EVERYTHING FOR MOMMY FEIXIAO RRAAAAAAAAHHHH 🗣️
Agreed. Saving for Feixio. Lingsha looks to be very niche and if you already have Gallagher then oof. Gallagher is just as good better save my jades or go all in with Feixio.
@@RogerNbrfun fact: she doesn’t use tall model, similar to JL. RIP the dream
One thing to take note; Yunli may be the only one that can make March Hunt reach max potential considering how often she attacks and uses her ult, which helps March build up stacks faster, unleashing more enhanced basic attacks
This may be another double dps setup situation
Well since it seemed like Yunli was March's master, it'd make sense that they synergyze well.
Topaz could work pretty well
Topaz ? March have FuA too that topaz can help
The problem is that march kinda need to ult before using basic
Her dmg drop way too much without ult enhance
Gallagher works pretty well too if you're going for a super break hybrid setup
The real answer is to save for the Nuclear Fate Collab.
If we gonna have to pull for this collab, then I expect them not adding new heroes on top of it at the same time, or it's just gonna be cash grab on fomo.
It's most likely not gonna be actual characters I'm assuming it's gonna be like an outfit or an icon
but we have a whole year to save for that collab though, might as well pull for some other interesting character before we are close
It's good to have low expectations, but considering their older game HI3 collab with Eva, I'm pretty sure they will released an entire new character that never get a rerun just like Asuka.
@@RavenShugohahahaa if they did a skin of Clara ang svarog ita going to be funny but maybe it might be similar to the other collabs
Jiaoqiu before nerfs was so good I'm genuinely kinda mad abt his current state ngl
It's nuts, because a pretty vocal portion of the community on the leaks subreddit were praying he wouldn't be a healer and (then later in beta) that he'd get DoT built into his E0 kit (was initially in Eidolons). Well they got their wish - now he sucks.
@@the_krakyn troll comunity like they should buff his dot and remain heal
Guess Hoyo can't let an NPC be stronger than a waifu (Swan)
@@the_krakyn dont know why they didn't just give him some healing based off his dot dmg when the field is up
He is still BiS for Acheorn for the extra stacks alone. Still a good pull for PF and Acheron comps but thats it.
Yunli is drastically underrated by the community, beta testers are saying she's competing with Acheron & Firefly (or whoever else you think is T0). She was overtuned to hell due to CN complaining they didn't feel too much of an improvement from Clara. Direct powercreep characters are in general likely to end up incredibly strong to incentivize players to pull, same thing might happen to Lingsha.
Good to hear. I'm a new player and i need a carry.
her e1 strength is insane, but e2 yunli vs e2 acheron or e2 firefly doesnt match, personally im going for e1s1, and seems very good in any content.
Beta testers...those ppl doesn't know how game works, i wouldn't listen a single word about power lvl of chars from them, u can only watch animations and basic mechanics from those ppl
@@greenvega I'm talking about people from a specific discord server where everyone does 0 cycles and takes full advantage of wind set, DDD, etc. If anything Yunli will perform worse in the hands of players who don't fully understand the mechanics (i.e. players who think Acheron and Firefly are far above everyone else).
@@27Ganon The people who think Acheron and Firefly are far above everyone else are the people who actually do the math, though it would seem to me like you don't understand why people think they're so far above. Hint: It doesn't have to do with big numbers.
Worth noting- the new sustain unit coming in the next patch sounds busted for the super break team so far. Basically powercreeping the hell out of Gallagher and even Luocha considering shes like Topaz and Luocha rolled into one break effect unit. Dishs out high break damage, heals, cleanse, emergency heals, and even defense shred with eidlons
very good if you have ff e1 since she's not sp+
I think at e0 Huohuo still seems stronger in every comp outside of super break. And for fua there’s aventurine. So I think she only seems good for FF/super break mains
Probably like a mere ~15% increase over C6 Gallagher. You can only buff an already OP as hell team so much
Considering that Gallagher is already a secret 5 star, a “mere 15% upgrade” to E6 Gallagher is a huge upgrade blud
Not to mention that gallagher isn’t only great for superbreak teams
Hear me out: Don't pull for an entire year and we can save up all the jades to E6 a fate character
Might be what I end up doing once I finish off getting my acheron and Firefly teams fully stacked after these couple banners. They can handle all content making most others easy skips unless someone comes along that can fit in their comps.
Hopefully the Collab characters get treated like the ones in HI3 instead of like Aloy
@@snowleopy6378 yeah that's why I am scared of saving for it
Na skipping only like 4 patches with MP if not then 5 should be enough to get like 600 ish pulls that's enough for me...
Just save for e0s1 for everyone instead of e6 for 1 character. E6 removes the fun from the game, get e2 if you want.
Yessss, pump the Jiaoqiu slander into my veins. If enough people complain, they might actually revert his ridiculous nerfs on beta.
It's honestly absurd at this point they'd nerf anything for 'balance' after releasing FF and Acheron...
Imagine pulling for an Acheron support that's a sidegrade to a 4-star.........
Its not gonna happen bro
bro we aint chinese 💀 and as i saw they kinda dont care much abt jiaoqiu
Crazy that there is only 4 (maybe 5) meta MALE characters in the game now, the rest have one mode or powercrept hard.
Those are:
DHIL (yeah he’s still strong and average MoC scores are pretty good)
Boothill
Aventurine
Gallagher (soon out of the job with Lingsha I hear)
Dr. Ratio ( even though I think boothill is the better hunt unit, Ratio is still alright bc of FuA team)
JQ was supposed to add to this list, but instead only lists he’s making is units butchered by hoyo alongside Dehya.
@@Radiant450boothill got powercrept by Firefly though
Pokke making actual good content again???
Always has been bro🙏 8/10 rage bait
Yes we are back to pocket translating cn guides an reading it
Literally your 2nd comment in this channel, if you wanna rage bait, try be better.
Harsh but not wrong. Channel felt pretty bad for awhile
Really ? Translate is good content ?
We have Chinese Clara and 5-star Guinaifen. Not really that exiting tbh.
I have no limited sustain, but I dont need HuoHuo. Gepard works great with Acheron and Gallagher works great with Firefly. Furthermore Lingsha is coming out. And if the leaks are correct, then not only will she be best in slot for firefly, but she would also be really good for acheron because Lingsha ult would apply toughness weakness debuff on all enemies.
Yeah I would save Huo Huo isn’t bis on both of those teams
As someone with only one limited sustain, I’ll be waiting for lingsha. But yunli lc looking real good for Clara
Failed to mention that Lingsha will be releasing literally a patch after HuoHuo, who is also a abundance unit who will proooobably unless Hoyo hates her be better than HuoHuo
Well it's definitely not "better" is like the trinity of harmony, she serves another purpose, so it just depends on the archetype you use the most
I hate to say it... but even though Gallagher doesn't have anywhere near as powerful of a cleanse or healing kit as HuoHuo... he is arguably better than her when you put Gallagher in his best teams vs Huohuo in her best teams. HuoHuo is a lot more universal, and is way more friendly for people that lack 2 limited sustains. But, as far as ceilings go... Gallagher is absolutely better than Huohuo. I need to mention that I'm talking about E4 Gallagher
HuoHuo in a lot of cases just ends up being "overkill", and usually anywhere between 30 - 70% of her healing ends up being wasted. Realistically, you should never die if you have all proper mainstats at +9 (let alone +15. I know because these are my builds for Aventurine and Huohuo, and I cleared C&G 12 and DU 6 like this).
Gallagher is the perfect blend of being able to do ridiculous toughness damage, being the *best* SP generator in the game, being able to solo heal quite easily in the hardest gamemodes, and has a nice gameplay loop that isn't just a "press skill to win" button like Huohuo and Aventurine. The reason Gallagher is able to pull all of this off and generally doesn't have to worry about cleansing is simply because enemies are broken for a long time. Why heal or cleanse when enemies just... don't attack you? The stars seriously aligned for Gallagher.
And yes, I'm not kidding about his SP generation. He is +1.2 SP per turn in an ideal scenario (and that scenario is easily achieved, even in MoC 12 and PF 4. Not so much AS 4). This is the absolute highest in the game. This is already better than Hanya, who is +1 per turn, and her kit was *designed* to be an SP generator. Sparkle is +.33 per turn. It's kind of sad lmao.
Lingsha has such a ridiculous ceiling to break. I really badly hope it's not another "press skill to win" character
@@Minuey the issue is that superbreak is only one team, one that many (myself included) dont play. sure hes great in that team, but anywhere else he becomes a B tier at best unit. even aventurine, as good as he is, is only really valuable in follow up and acheron teams. anywhere else and his shield uptime isnt as good, his damage isnt as good, and he can only resist around 1/3rd of debuffs. huohuo is undoubtedly the best "universal" sustain, which is really valuable when people cant build specific archetypes like break/follow up (or simply dont want to).
Ok you're talking out of your ass.@@Internextion
@@Internextion my aventurine has permanent shield uptime on any comp, your defense is just too low IG
1 year for collab, time to save all the jades for the collab
remember when he was basically a 2nd Ruan Mei? Good times
when the fuck was that
Yes, I will now be saving for e6 obsidian.
Yey sparkle! I can finally put her in my E2S1 acheron team
Yey sparkle! I can finally put her in my E6s1 acheron with E4S1 bronya team
justice for jiaoqiu
ALL IN FOR LINGSHA
Was gonna get acheron support...now not sure maybe will skip this patch
Will see once creator server is out
get acheron/sparkle Es instead
Do note that Patch 2.5 will end early. Why? We don't really know, aside from the date being 9/11 if it wasn't a day early.
2.4* and yes, should be because of 9/11 since typically tragic historical events stall things a bit. I believe Yunli's drip marketing got delayed a day due to the Tiananmen Square Tragedy
How likely is it that they release another character like Sparkle who is also a SP printer? Because I feel like all CN players are really undervaluing that aspect of Sparkle. Even if her team comps are not meta, being able to give so much SP on demand can literally make the difference between a win and lose based on damage.
real thats what im saying.. 4 SP in a single button is literally crazy and people also forget the team comp of Bronya and sparkle pushing 1 dps
they do cause they care abt 0 cl, her lunae team is still her strongest for non hardcore players that wanna get the job done .even in pf, in no sustain teams with dual dmg dealers, her sp gen is no joke.
Well.. your team is supposed to be synergistic enough that you won't run into SP issues to begin with.
@@osmano8498 But the thing is, That can limit you and ur units, So by using sparkle you can use many SP negative units together, And some have a higher SP consume like QQ and Lunae
@@boredperson1011 That doesn't matter if you're not getting higher DPS though.
Jiaoqui can heal the enemy and I would still pull for him !
This is a good time for me to get Sparkle and I'll not let this opportunity pass by
Hypercarry not being as relevant as it was before, should have absolutely no impact on Sparkle's rating in hypercarry, because the point of rating her in hypercarry is to assess her efficiency there, not how often hypercarry is used in general. Plus, there are more hypercarry teams and variants than there are DoT/FuA comps (+ Acheron).
A clara 2.0 and a random npc, easy skip.
Sparkledust stole all 69 of my pulls back in Feburary, so I will be hard skipping her to make her regret, then pull her next year for forgiveness ✨🗿
I need a second sustain I only have fuxuan bailu,ghalager, lynx and gepard forr a second team i literally need a huohuo as a sustain and i just want sparkle😂
Behold the mighty cake of zhu yuan behind him
Might have to pull for Sparkle. I don't care about Huo Huo...my top teams use Acheron & Firefly
Huo Huo still more valuable to pull tho. While Sparkle can just be used with other harmony or other nihility for Acheron team. Sparkle becoming a niche harmony just like the cn value her at 9/10 for hypercarry and 1/10 for FUA, DoT and Break teams. People might rather use other harmony as they are really versatile and can be played with other teams.
@@buzzduel Linsha will be better than Huo Huo. She is just bait.
So no hate to any of the characters, Yunli for physical floors and dont have Clara still a solid pick up.
Huohuo isnt really needed too much, still the best healer and bis for the DoT team.
Jiaoqiu- while not as bad as people are doompostingabout, outside of Acheron and maybe DoT teams you can probably fill his role with someone else. Still pretty solid if youre looking for a limited Nihility, but a side grade if you do have some in your collection
Sparkle, Id argue is probably the most value here or if you have her probably pick up her LC instead.
Sparkle's the only must pull here if you don't have her. I think CN slightly undersold it with the 9/10, there will always be more hypercarry units coming out in the future. Hell, even Yunli will actually quite like Sparkle, much moreso than Clara, due to the heal on her skill and the reliance on the ult taunt. If you don't have Sparkle and you skip, I think that's a very short-sighted move.
Not really a must pull. Even bronya ruanmei is enough for hypercarry. Or tingyun ruanmei for clara yunli comps. Counter mechanics dont even need action advance
@@winningsonn Just because Clara and Yunli both have counter mechanics doesn't mean they both want all the same supports. Yunli wants more speed than Clara because her skill is her sustainability, and because more skills = more ults = more taunts.
Clara benefits from a couple of turns of increased aggro after an ult. A taunt, on the other hand, only lasts one enemy action, so refreshing it more often is very important, which means speed has value. Sparkle is a great source of hypercarry speed, she provides all the stats you'll want on Yunli and allows more SP hungry supports. Her skill buffs also last to the target's next turn, unlike Bronya, making her way better for counter characters.
Bronya & Sparkle also work well together . I have Bronya E2S1 . Just play break , DOT or mix of both on second side .
@@DarthDionius Ok,first of all im not saying sparkle is bad, im just saying bronya/ruanmei is 'enough' for hypercarry so sparkle is definitely 'not a must' pull. Tingyun/ruanmei on a hypercarry teams can perform just as well as a team with sparkle in it. And depends on how u build ur tingyun, u can keep ur clara/yunli ult with 100% uptime. And with more meta like dot/break/fua. u'll need her less. Imo better save those pulls for a more versatile support.
@@winningsonn Ruan mei isn't actually needed for break teams because technically another option is ''enough'' and so on and so forth, No unit in the game is a must pull when all modes can be cleared with 4 stars, But for those who care about overall account value ''must pull'' can kind of be applied and in this case, She would be one.
I think CN rating sustains if you already have 2 as 1/10 kinda not right at this point in the game when Gallagher and Aventurine can bring so much dmg to their niche and can take advantage of specialist buffs Hoyo loves to do can result in even bigger gains improving team performance overall. Its something to keep in mind as new sustains seem to be bringing lots of value even if you owned Luocha and Fu Xuan as your first two limited sustains.
yea, wonder what they will say about Lingsha as she will be basically a Nihility breaker/ sustain in one. Gallager is already a BiS for Firefly and she is going to be even better.
@@tidus9942 Yeah when Gallagher was the most used sustain in Apcalyptic Shadow even over all the technically better limited ones because he is fire break unit I don't think you can say sustain slot is interchangeable as CN is making it sound. The right sustain can drastically change the outcome of a battle.
i think the standard for a built non-healer in CN is just higher. like, Gallagher can save you 1 cycle but they're clearing just fine without his extra damage anyway. and people don't use sustain in 0-cycles anyway. @@kennethyoung7457
@@tidus9942 It's going to be the same situation as with Jiaoqiu, she'll probably be ~15% better than C6 Gallagher lmfao. You can only buff an already broken unit so much
@@oIIified i mean they can buff her if they then start releasing powercreeps of acherons and FF which will happen
No team really NEED HuoHuo. She just spend too many skill points to maintain her buffs, she's not worth at all. Forget those fucking tierlist, Lingsha will be much better than HuoHuo in every way possible, her rerun now is totally a trap
If someone is using huo huo properly, they shouldn't be spending too many skill points. That's a skill issue. I run her on my dot team all the time for moc, and she is almost always sp neutral. High level apocalyptic shadow? Yeah she struggles a bit, but in general she is solid.
Lingsha looks to be strong for break effect squads too. Awesome, but if she doesn't provide energy or damage like huo huo, as well as being best cleanser in the game, then they will have separate niches. Time will tell though.
Preach brother 🙏
@@GodofGoblins whatever you say
@arionmoschetta just keeping it real. I know it's tough on ego when it's a skill issue, but it is what it is. I didn't properly use seele back in the day and thought she was bad. No, she is fantastic. That was a skill issue on my part. If your using a lot of sp with huo huo, that's on you. Gotta keep it real
Shes really good with specifically Yunli, but that's because she checks like... every box Yunli needs
My Acheron is E2/S1 already (for $250 because I lost 50/50 twice in classic Hoyoverse fashion) and she is so busted with Sparkle, Pela and Gepard. Adding in Jiaoqiu will just improve the performance by a very mininal amount. 2.4 is an easy skip for me since I am still building relics for some of the recent 5 stars I got.
All I know he's Kazuhas va and enough said, the same thing was said about Kazuha , idk ... ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊 ... Good luck everyone if you're pulling
sparkle carrying this patch ngl
With the decline of Hypercarry she doesn't carry anything. This is a low income patch. Hoyo decided to not want money in August and September.
Heavily. Going for her S1
@@darkgrundi9543still the best support for Acheron(even if Acheron is e0) and Acheron is still the "best" DPS in the game. FF comes very close though.
I'll throw a coinflip on HuoHuo, but otherwise saving for Acheron rerun to get E2. Can't justify spending resources on Jiaoqiu for an Acheron boost when I could just invest that in Acheron herself
even before i knew the reruns i was planning this patch to be a SKIP Patch and now with both new characters Nerfed and became somewhat "MID" this just solidifies that my decision to skip everything this patch even more
Yunli got buffed by nearly 15% for v1 and became T0 dps what you talking about
@@senioralexander6681 dude its v3 now its almost the final version they rearranged her some of her traces/eidolons(forgot exactly) and lowered most damage % she became a spammer more than a heavy hitter
Huohuo is one of my favorite sustains ive pulled. I actually really like Yunli but wish Feixeo and other units im interested in werent coming up
i'm planning on pulling huohuo for my dot team to increase damage but im not quite sure, i have fu xuan and gepard and have also built gallagher for firefly. gepard and gallagher dont seem to perform as well as fu xuan in moc. i have e1 black swan and her sig lc so i dont need to pull during her rerun. idk if i should pull for huohuo or not
going to pull Yunli anyway but my sustain are full of Preservation (FX, Aven, Gepard) so they might overlap Yunli in for enemy aggro (when she's not on ult)...
I don't have HuoHuo so perhaps I also need to pull for her. problem is, I have about 20 pulls rn + estimate 60 pulls from first half, in next 10 pull I'm going to get guarantee Yunli so that's leave me about 70 pulls(?) available to try luck on HuoHuo OR LC for Yunli to seal her deal when pair with preservation unit... I wonder which one should I try luck with.
My team currently is E2S1 Acheron, SW, E1S1 Sparkle and E0S1 Fu Xuan, should I still pull for Jiaoqiu? Or is E2 Sparkle better?
I have the exact same team, I will get E2 sparkle
imo not worth it your acheron is already E2S1 doing ridiculous damage every turn. he probably would up grade your damage but by how much? 10%? 15%? then outside of that team hes just dogshit everywhere else? i would never pull, just me though
Yeah just E2 your Sparkle man, I have E2 acheron too (who’s kinda benched rn crazy I know) and may or may not E2 my sparkle, but the def ignore from E2 sparkle is great bc it adds on with the def shred from your SW (or pela), JQ may help you if you wanna use a non DoTcheron team in PF, but outside of that? Not that big of an upgrade thats worth 80+ pulls.
JQ is significant for e2 acheron. He is a bigger upgrade for the team then sparkle e2. if you want to make your acheron team better you absolutely pull JQ. He is a bigger increase to acheron then Ruan mei is for alot of teams that people had no problem pulling her for. You clearly like acheron so pulling him for her shouldnt be something holding you back.
He will be good only in pf, with herta shop lc he is best option, outside of pf he mid, so up to u to waste jades for char for one gamemode
I honestly think that this patch is just not good. Huohuo is arguably still great and honestly the most valuable character to get if you don't have a healer or shielder but not really worth it if you already have a good healer/shielder. Jiaoqui is not worth it anymore due to all his nerfs and the healing ability being scrapped for some reason when lore wise he is a healer but now doesn't heal. Sparkle is Sparkle, a good value character that pretty much works in any team but can totally be skipped. Then Yunli is literately just Clara but stronger and better.
As of right now my priority is Huo Huo because she fills a gap on my teams but boy oh boy do I want Feixiao. Hoping my plans don't mess up those pulls.
im using Lucha and E6 Galager right now as my sustains... should i think about pulling huo-huo for my kafka team or nah? my main comps are DOT, firefly super break, and Jing liu atm
huohuo would definitely be the play for dot, gallagher is good for the break and luocha for jingliu, so if u want to complete the dot team then u could get her if u want, but if ur doing fine without her then u could skip
I wouldn’t know what’s it’s like without huohuo because I’ve had her since release but if ur chilling then don’t feel pressured to pull
Jingyuan is still used in ALL modes for me and I love him for that ❤❤
Currently my most used team is:
- Acheron E2,Pela,Bronya,Fu Xuan E1... And
- Firefly, MC, Ruan Mei, and Gallagher.
Here is some other 5★ characters that I had:
DPS: Jingliu and Seele.
Harmony: Bronya and Ruan Mei only.
Abundance: ... Nothing
Preservation: Fu Xuan and Gepard (I lately use him tho' nowadays)
So who should I pull for my account in this condition? or it's better to just save more for later characters?
I am managing to clear all the endgame content with that two teams already...
But I'm kinda bored to play the same team over and over again... Pls help me with this
characters like Clara and Yunli get stronger and more relevant the more speedier enemies become and the more they advance themselves. By them releasing a character like that, we can be absolutely sure Borisin and those IPC wolf bots will benefit a kit like hers = which also means Clara will be in her element as well. If Yunli cone is good that is 100% upgrade for Clara, which I hope that it is.
After all, getting Clara eidolons is kind of impossible
im having a hard time deciding, should i pull Jiaoqiu for my acheron so i can replace guinaifen, or pull for sparkle
if you’re using e2 acheron then you should use pela and pull for sparkle and put her on the team, sparkle>jiao on e2 ach team in terms of damage boosting, but if it’s e0 then might be more worth to replace gui wifth jiao
Been waiting for this
All I have is Natasha, Gallagher, and Lynx as my sustain. Should I pull for the limited sustain banner or sparkle? Also Dan Heng is my only dps. I’m an F2P player that started 1 week ago.
I've been playing since christmas, never felt I needed a limited sustain. Been doing just fine with E0 Gepard, E6 Lynx and now E6 Gallagher.
Granted, there have been times when I had to restart MOC a couple of times until I got a decent clear, but most of the time I feel like I'm lacking damage, not sustain. All three of them have kept me alive for 10+ cycles in MOC 12, which is about twice as long as a 3* clear takes.
I'd say get strong Harmony buffers or Nihility debuffers first and snatch the first broken dps that comes around and fits your account. Only pull for sustain if you really like them or they benefit your team massively on top of keeping you alive. I.E Aventurine for Follow-up or Houhou for DOT.
The only thing that would have made me pull Jiaoqiu would be if he was a solo sustain Pela+, which is what leaks suggested back around Acheron’s release. I guess it would just be too good especially for E0 Acheron who could then fulfill her passive with a harmony and sustain. Guess we’ll never get that unit and E0 Acher will instead fall off earlier than she needed to, sad.
they werent even leaks, just assumptions. same with new units' info...people believe in any bit of info they see months ago from a units' reloease, it's crazy..
@@johnd7760what makes me upset is that bro is the only canonical healer that doesn't heal
@@johnd7760 It must be more than assumptions since they had quite a lot of info that they got right about the characters. Obviously kits change from first iteration to release, but that's a total overhaul / nerf. Now he's just the easiest skip of all time. I would have pulled Acheron regardless, but I guess it's good to know for the future to never assume a character will be anything like early leaks suggest.
@@Adan.2005 yeah i saw that lol
@@bjornnilsson2941 idk abt that, even the debuff was named "flavor" in that sheet which was changed but i get what u mean.
by saying "would've pulled acheron regardless" u mean, u saw that before her release? interesting, way way earlier than beta leaks so yeah.. dont forget poor screwlum and his alleged kit and release months ago, as well😅
whats funny, is ppl were stuck with that kit info till now, and even askin in discord "if hes enough as solo sustain" lol.. feixiao has multiple pages with different info these past weeks😂
I alreavy have Aventurine and Fu Xuan but Huohuo it's so cute, I would actually pull for her just for the design lol
I really was hoping Black swan was this patch. Now, i might talk myself into huo huo E1 or Lc and I know I dont need it but gonna be a hard half to ignore. Sparkle LC makes her a pseudo dual buffer with the cr and cdmg buffs
Would Yunli be a good dps for a new account?
I was thinking either Yunli or Feixiao to get as my first 5* character
We haven't seen what Feixiao can do yet and you don't really want to run into the problem of having 2 dps that need the same supports. I would wait awhile to see what Fei Xiao even does before pulling for Yunli.
Yeah basically. By the looks of it she doesn't really need any support to make her kit work at its fullest, and one of her best teammates is March 7th Hunt, who is free (+ like Clara, counter bot esc characters typically work super well in the story segments)
Yes, her best in slot support will probably be Tingyun for a long time, which is great news for F2P
Aight ty everyone.
Appreciate the help
The answer is simple.
first, wait for beta 2.5, and choose the best dd.
Hi. I'm 2.0 noob. Right now I have E2 acheron team and firefly RM team. I only have 2 decent sustain. Which is e6 gallagher and gepard. I really like to wait for aventurine rerun. Is huo huo good with either of my team?
If you think you need team-wide instant cleanse, then consider getting Huohuo. Meta-wise, she works the best in DOT and Clara/Yunli teams. Gepard is a good sustain for Acheron because he can provide her with stacks from his skill that can freeze (and if you equip him with the Trend LC). Gallagher is great for both Acheron and break teams due to his ultimate.
Huohuo doesn't provide any debuffs, she instead has cleanse, energy regen and attack buff. Neither Acheron or Firefly need energy regen. You'll only be bringing Huohuo if the bosses' CCs become too much for your Acheron/Firefly teams that even Gallagher can't keep up.
@@pearlofivris My original reasoning was end game bosses nowadays give a lot of debuff ie. Cocolia's freeze at difficulty 4 and sunday's 3 robots. Funny enough I can get my way through DU protocol 6 with firefly team but not difficulty 4 swarm disaster with either of my teams. I thought to myself either I'm getting cleanser or stronger shielder. That's why I was considering getting Huo huo for my account. But now I'm set on getting Sparkle and muh boi Aventurine.
I think getting sparkle and getting aventurine is for sure the move
gallagher would work for acheron but aventurine with the trend lightcone and his ult gets acheron stacks faster
gepard works for acheron for now but it was always hard keeping his shield when the enemies would get rid of it so soon, and trust me I built aventurine terribly but he still tanks everything
gallagher is the best u can get for firefly for now so keep him there, and gepard shields isn’t so reliable and not sp positive sometimes, so aventurine is better
short answer huohuo doesn’t rly work for either
@@Goatmilkmoment Thanks. Everything you mentioned is how I run things right now. I kinda have a solution for gepard's inconsistent shielding. That is to make him superspeed. But his slow ass made it feels like I'm fighting against nature. With that amount of substats, other support ussually already at 160 but his ass sitting on 144 in my account.
Im between e1 sparkle or e1 huo huo, its either get the 40% attk or the speed buff, i donr know which one to get. If someone can help me pls
I do think 40% more atk is more valuable if you are using acheron or dhil as they can just get their turns with sparkle skill but if you are running something like dotcheron the speed buff is better because in this case your sparkle is just collecting dust in your inventory
imo heavily depends on your teams, but personally i would choose e1 huohuo especially if i am running her in a dot team where i really want the SP for kafka/blackswan or even in a jingliu comp with bronya
40% atk isnt as universal. I dont know the specifics on the speed buff so not sure on that one. My advice is, if you arent sure about the benefit of Eidolons, dont pull for them.
Some are stupid strong but others just arent worth it, and its better to make a choice if you are absolutely sure they will be amazing otherwise you will end up regretting.
E1 huo huo for sp definitely
Please help!
I need advice on who to pull, I currently have an e0s1 Acheron and a e1 sparkle, but I have no sw or black swan I’m not sure if pulling e2 sparkle or pulling jiaqiu would be better for my Acheron
E2 sparkle
E2 sparkle and maybe even try for e1/e2 Acheron, regardless e2 sparkle is busted for hyper carry and makes up for not having two nihility on e0 Acheron team or you could use sustain less e0 team
Sparkle's Straight out more Versatile, and her E2 goes absolutely Crazy with other comps, so I'd say Get E2 Sparkle, and you can even try getting E2 Acheron if you wanted too.
@@IdeasAreBulletproof I see 🤔
E2 acheron
I NEED HELP? i have achreon E2S1, and own black swam, do i got for sparkle or jiaoqiu?????? please i am lost
So what did you choose?😂
I don't like the fact that Yunli's parry state only lasts for one counter attack
Why it does more than enough dmg to compensate
im a new player (F2P mostly), i only have Gallagher (E5) and the usuall Lynx/Natasha, would worth to pull for HuoHuo to have a good general sustain character? (also for the chance of getting Lynx E6).
Both huohuo and yunli will be great for you yes
@@senioralexander6681 i already have Clara E1, (lost my first 50/50 ruan mei but got clara, got ruan mei after that and got her again on the normal banner, also got himeko) and Yunli is basically clara but a little bit better.
Im asking for HuoHuo because i alreary have 3 sustain characters (Gallagher, Natasha, Lynx), idk if keep my Stellar Jades for Sparkle and her LC.
You should wait for Linsha in 2.5 if you only look at meta. There is no way the new abundance character will be worse than HuoHuo. You might want to look at leaks to make a more educated decision. Huo Huo is imo only worth if Linsha is dogshit in Dot comps and you only play those Dot comps.
@@ShadowFri3nd yunli is actually like 2.5-3 times better than Clara
@@senioralexander6681 but it would worth to pull as F2P? having Clara already?
I don't have any Physical DPS so I really want to get Yunli, also her design animation is pretty good. Hard decisions ahead. Anybody else no Physical DPS looking to pull Yunli?
imagine jiaoqiu was ANY other element, making a dot character fire immediately makes me think he'll be a not so good unit. i thought he'd be a wind type first time i saw him, rly unfortunate
we already have 2 wind DoT lol
@@edabb5321 well that's not rly my point, black swan doesn't even count cuz she applies arcana not wind shear
@@adamt0610 arcana = DoT aka wind shear ^^
I'm skipping everyone for a e2 s1 acheron. Her playstyle fits me very well and I already have an e2 bronya so I mind as well out her to good use. After that i'll probably wait for sparkle or another good harmony unit/unit in general that synergizes even better with her.
I really needed HuoHuo and Sparkle signature, but well, Feixiao drip marketing dropped
Probably the only patch that the reruns outshine the new characters
new player, should I pull huo huo or sparkle? I recently pulled argenti and I want to make a team best for him and also someone that can be useful in the future.
if you want his best team then youd have to get both of them lol, and they are both pretty useful for the future but imo sparkle would be better in terms of futureproofing, and if u can’t get both then if ur not having sustain problems then get sparkle
Returning playing that only played 1.3, def pulling for huohuo as my second premium sustain (my other is FuXuan) and getting sparkle for my DHIL
everyone in the comments saving for fate collab lol
I'm new and f2p, don't have any character, should I pull for Sparkle?
Yes, she is one of the best supports
Just pull for whatever character seems cool
It's up to you. I'm not forcing you but pulling for support will always bring value to your account in the long run.
I Highly Recommend her, she one of the 3 Best Harmony units in the Game. Though it is really up to you, if you like her. or like her Supportive Capabilities.
She has more value in long run out of 4, huohuo also good if you don't have sustain or wait for lingsha
I pray for the day of the Hypercarry's return!
I Love Jingliu and Sparkle, but compared to Acheron + Black Swan + Pela, it's just not worth...
I like Fua Comps and DoT (Kafka + Black Swan), but i still prefer 1 HyperCarry + 2 Harmony + 1 Sustain (I used to pick Jingliu + Bronya + Sparkle + Fu Xuan / Jingliu + Sparkle + Huohuo + Fu Xuan)
I miss it
Also for HH, pullers beware do not say I didn’t warn you. She is a strong unit with major drawbacks that will make you feel bad.
1. SP, if you run rm esp with lc in dot team, irrelevant concern, but with FF, rm might already be somewhere else. Now what?If you use her with a slightly tight team, you are screwed. You’ll know it’s shit when you auto on Kafka
2. Passive healing, in reg content you can skip healing in favor of sp with little drawback. But why don’t you try that in apocalyptic shadows 😊. Those hh copers, how many pts did you get? How many retries?
Bottom line is that HH players value her ceiling over comfort. I’m not gonna say it’s wrong, but personally I’m busy. That 10 second longer run is not worth all the annoyance and scuffed runs.
If you are a whale get e1s1, now she no longer has any problems. Hyv made her as a p2w character.
Saving for wind Fox chick. None of these characters seem that crazy times
Wow sparkle becoming a niche harmony only hypercarry team 9/10 and other like FUA, DoT and Break just 1/10. Damn, Sparkle could never be.
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New here, Yunli or HuoHuo? I only have 1 5 star from beginner and don't have 5 star limited characters nor dps.
It's a hard choice. Sustains show up rarely but there is another limited sustain around the corner but there is also other dps. Honestly just pick which you like better and it's a good choice.
@@yarimatthews8722 yeah probably gonna get Yunli first and maybe another limited sustains and HuoHuo when she reruns again.
For me, it depends on the rerun banners of the next patch, it the next one patch has Acheron or feixiao lives up to the Acheron hype then I’ll indeed skip, if not then I’ll pull jiaoqu with one 10pull
Thx bro for this vídeo
The most anticipated character so far is Lingsha
I would love if there was a section about lightcones aswell!
NUCLEAR SKIP PATCH
I’m not gonna lie, huohuo has lost a lot of value (i speak as an e1 huehue haver) with the current meta being break and acheron, her buffs don’t do much for them and there are better sustains for both of those teams though she’s still amazing if you use teams like jingliu, argenti and dot (there are other teams i forgot 😂)
I want Sparkle but I think I have enough Harmony units at this point and would rather just wait for Kafka rerun
Just putting this here...I'm pulling Yunli cuz she's a second Clara...putting the two in a team and you don't even need the infinity stones
This video is worth watching purely for that amazing HweHwe introduction lmao.
Conclusion: Save up for Elio
Personally, I’m going to go for Yunli, since I’m at 77 pity with a 50/50; and if I get her, nice, but if I don’t, I’ll just save for Feixiao and/or Lingsha :))
I really agree with the thought about HuoHuo if your sustain can sustain your team it'll be better to Gacha your support or DPS eidolon, I also never Gacha another sustainer after I have Luocha and FX bcs they can sustain my team. I just gonna wait for Emanator of Abundance and Preservation if they playable 🤣
still annoying to see Yunli just being a copy past plus upgrades to clara at least when you do something let me be able to run them together as a Counter attack team (my dream team since the Game start) with no anti synergies (the aggro), but nah Clara is too f2p I still use her to clear content and probably the reason why they try to replace her. Currently, only plan to grab her lc for clara then saving for bs e1 or go full in feixiao and maybe a copy of lingsha depends on if she is good outside of break teams
E2 sparkle is the only reason I'm pulling here
I would like a meta perspective advice pls.
I'm debating on whether to pull for Hue Hue or JQ. I have a Jingliu and an Acheron team (Jingliu already has Bronya and Ruan Mei) yet I'm using a C2 Bailu for sustain. On the other hand Acheron only runs Pela and Gui alongside Gallagher. Should I pull for Hue Hue to complete Jingliu's team or pull for JQ and replace my C0 Guinafen?
I'm also wondering if it would be better to wait for Black Swan as she slots well in an Acheron team.
Any advice from anyone versed on this would be much appreciated :D
My man, pul hue hue ,u would feel massive upgrade from bailu to hue hue, from gui to jq not so much
Jingliu Bronya Ruan Mei might have some issues with sp. It will limit the use of Huohuo.
Also Jingliu seems to be falling behind in terms of meta. I would recommend getting Jiaoqiu.
I usually don’t advise pulling rerun characters. If you want to clear end game content easily focus on Archeron. Pull for Jiaoqiu to replace your E0 Gui. As much as he was nerfed(ish) He’s still the best support for Archeron. C2 bailu should do for now. If you have any break teams which is the Meta currently (since you have Ruan Mei) and fei xiao is upcoming, pull for Ling sha which is a break healer and buffer
@@iloveaven Aven is not very good with Jingliu, because she slowly drains your teams HP, if that shield breaks once it can be joever.
Huo Huo trust, Shes also way more versatile and her energy will go a long way, You will do fine with Guinafen and Gallagher as long as there built correctly, If you get JQ (Jiaqou) over Guinafen it will barely feel like a difference
New player here. Built my Boothill team with RM, Gallagher, and HMC. I like the idea of a DoT team and kinda don't know if i should skip Sparkle for Huo² or vice versa. Huo² seems better for DoT, but Sparkle giving extra skill points seems like she might be a better investment overall. Any advice welcome
So Sparkle shines most in hyper carry. DHIL for example loves Sparkle. Dr Ratio as well. And mono quantum also appreciates Sparkle. But if you arent doing that style of play, then Huo Huo is fantastic for DOT teams if you want to invest in that style of play in the future. So really its about choosing what style you want for your second team. A hyper carry style or a DOT style.
Side note, if gallagher is your only strong sustain, it is good for any account to have at least 2 high quality sustains. IDK if you have a fu xuan or aventurine or somethin, but yeah. Personally, since you expressed you're interested in DOT, I would go Huo Huo and look out for Kafka and Black Swan etc. But that is just me
@GodofGoblins gotcha. Yeah Gallagher is my only real sustain atm. I don't have a limited Sustain, but I really want Aventurine when he reruns. I started a playing during Boothill's 2nd week primarily because of him. I ran into content that requires 2 teams and also need a team that can deal with enemies that lock their toughness meter Ala Gepard. I'll probably go for Huo² then unless the fire abundance 5* they announced has a kit more tuned for DoT. Thank you again for your insight
currently my acheron team is acheron bs kafka aven, do i swap out kafka or bs for jq?
You can swap out BS for JQ, but as someone who will pull him myself, I don't think you need him.
youd have an even better team if u swap out one for pela and the other for jq
Listen I’ve skipped patches especially anything with DOT, and I got an e2 firefly, and she destroys, it’s worth saving your jades especially if you’re mostly clearing content
Nah not gona pull huehue when a new 5 star healer coming next patch...
There is no skippable banners, Just give in to your desires, LET IT RUN FREEE!!!!!! NO PULLS??? THERE'S ALWAYS A DREAMS!!! 1 PULL AND A DREAMM GRAHHHHHHHHHH