Geo Fabric and French Drains the TRUTH - The French Drain Man
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- Geo Fabric and French Drains the TRUTH - The French Drain Man
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This is a video I've been meaning to put some time aside and do for you the homeowners, the DIY guys, and even the homeowners that are shopping for a drainage system. What to ask for, what the tell your contractor you want. Actually, you're the customer, they're not willing to do it, hire somebody else. You do want a Geotextile, non-woven fabric. You don't want to build a system without it. Matter of fact, you all the work that goes into building a system and to miss that one step. Now you just gave your system an expiration date and it's really unfortunate.
We do a lot of commercial work as well and whatever the engineer's spec in is what we will use when we designed our own systems, we have the couple gotos that we really love. Now the first one, this is, this is our fastest, it's a four-ounce. Love it for our open French drains when we have a lot of surface water and we want to just turn our French drain into one long channel drain, this is what we use.
Well, I have the hose turned up all the way. You see it takes time. I am trying to show you how fast it'll take the water in. I have a pretty good stream. I have great water pressure. So. All right, so let's, let's just fill this bucket real quick, and then we'll move on to the eight-ounce fabric. So, this fabric I love for surface water and it's going to protect the drainage systems that I built for my clients. It's going to prevent the gravel from migrating into the subsoil and the subsoil from migrating into the gravel. That's where they plug. That's why you want to use this. So that was the four-ounce.
This eight-ounce. This will slow it down a little bit. All right, you can see how heavy that is. Always use this for your retaining walls. When you're using boulders and big slab rock and things like that. You don't want to use no lightweight. You want to, you want to definitely use this. Okay, so here's eight-ounce, show you the difference. So when I move the hose away, you can see it takes that hesitation that just it filtrates all the water. Well, this is going to last and last and last the last decades. That's what's amazing about this, but I wouldn't recommend this for open French drains Open French, drains your moving sheet water. Sheet water is when you have it just coming off a carport or coming off of a concrete parking lot or concrete driveway. Sheet water is some serious stuff. You can't screw around with it. [...]
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throw some dirt on it...
I'd like to see this test with water running through actual substrate.
Wouldn’t a better test be putting a slab of 2 1/2” sod over the fabric and bucket?
Just wanted to say thank you very! Your videos helped me diagnose a big moisture issue in my basement. I dug a trench outside the basement wall and found... corrugated pipe in sand with no fabric. And when it rains... it completely fills up and stays that way. I know what to do now! Greetings from the Netherlands!
I'd love to hear your take on the effects of clay mud over time on this textile fabric. I have a hunch that it will clog up the fabric.
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The non-woven geotextile fabric at Menards called Duraweb is said to be 5.6oz and does not drain nearly as fast as the 8oz he shows. I wish I would've bought his 4oz. I didn't realize this guy was selling this stuff through his website.
What happens when the sediment closes the pores on the fabric. Silt will virtually stop the flow of water.
Thank you brother for the lesson!
Excellent videos!!! I understand you're opposed to inlet basins for the reasons mentioned (debris) however, how do you join the ends of one 4 inch high octane to another 4" high octane pipe (a continuation of high octane)?
I have a triangular area approximately 2' x 3' and 24" deep south of my garage door that I filled with 5,/8 minus around 2 years ago for driveway runoff. It's plugged and my son came over to dig it out for me. I couldn't believe how much soil had invaded the gravel, it was as if it hadn't even been touched 24 months ago.
Bought pond pebbles this time, but I can't find any geo fabric in a small quantity; I'm tapped this month but need to come up with something. Would lining the sides with landscaping fabric and leaving the bottom open work as a stopgap measure for the season? Thanks much for your time.
Would a commercial, lightweight lava rock work over the top of the fabric instead of replacing the sod over the fabric?
Dude I wished your were close by- no matter what you have saved me trouble while in the planning stage, I have a ditch that is 75 feet long, and then turns to the left another 75 feet-I need to be able to get water to channel off the property. What type of ditch pipe and how deep...will a ditch witch do the work, How much overlap on the fabric?
I had three step down concrete retaining walls put in on our sloping backyard to get more use out of it. I’m about to start the process of installing drainage for the walls. They are not very tall, 36, 36, and 32 inches tall. From what I’ve seen about the soil, it’s silty sandy soil for about 1-3 feet then clay. I would call you to help with this but your not in our area. I was thinking about using the drainage PVC pipe with clean drainage rock and wrapped with filter fabric. Would this work?
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What if you did a 2 foot high burrito separately with 4 ml and also had a separate geo piece coming up the dirt side of the dich (against a curtain ditch of house) ? Would this be better fore the long run to keep fines out of the stone surrounding the burrito? Or would this be overkill?
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what size perforated drain do you recommend, 6" or 4"?
(2) 4" pipes
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN (2) 4inch pipes are 25 sq inches of water opening, 1 6inch pipe is 28.26, (2) 4inch makes no sense.
Just watched "Apple Drain" guy talk about this same thing. He made it sound like it geofabic wasn't necessary. I wish one of you guys worked here where I live in Maine. Im about to do this myself but I'm little nervous.
It's really easy to see for yourself first hand how well it will work on your property
Fill a bucket half way with your own backfill and fill the remainder of the bucket with water
Then poor that water over the fabric "just as it was done here in the video"
Needless to say, you will have your answers clear as day
PS. the apple drain guy has learned first-hand why fabric isn't all its cut out to be - if anything, often times it only leads to more grief for home owners
I know at this point you have probably already done your drain. But I am currently torn bc the Apple drain guy has been doing it for 30 years and talks about all the drains he has replaced bc the fabric gets clogged. I don't see how the fabric on the pipe can clogg but the outside fabric doesn't.
Some drain guys live in a fantasy land.
I just did a small french drain in front of a basement window well that was flooding, and I just did bare gravel in the trench. Now I'm thinking maybe I should have did the fabric to line the trench but leave the top open. That might help keep the soil and gravel separated. I am convinced to completely wrap gravel in fabric in clay soil means it will simply clog and very little water will get through and carried away.
Is landscaping fabric the same?
I've found 4-, 6-, and 8-ounce fabric online. For a crawlspace interior drain tile, I'm thinking 6 ounce is the good middle ground. Does that sound reasonable? The soil is clay.
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thank you for the video...I think the other guys videos about geo fabric....his fabric did not pass water nearly as good as this. I really think his reason was function..... not money...he needs to see your type!
I’m putting in corrugated pvc drain pipe behind concrete retaining walls and connecting them to wheep holes. Should I use 4,6, or 8 ounce fabric?
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Do you suggest woven or needle punched? Polypropylene or fiberglass? Needlpunch "fabric" looks weak. The stuff you show looks tough and nonwoven (as mentioned) but not a plastic sheet. There are so many choices out there and the descriptions suck. Thanks!
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Great. I will purchase as soon as I confirm the amount/square footage I need. How deep should the fabric be below the top surface of the ground/grass? Thanks again!
This is good example of having fabric which is clear of clay and is concave. For some reason I am getting slow rate of drainage from the side and top. I have clay soil. Water pools on the side of the fabric.
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN thank you for this. Looks great. I guess I need to wait until grass starts to grow. Right now water not making it through the fabric fast enough.
Once all the fabrics saturate with dirt/mud, won't they all perform the roughly the same?
They will cease to work once plugged with silt and dirt.
Do yal sell left over scrap pieces from jobs?
What oz do you recommend for a pop up emitter ?
We sell a 4 oz 4'x3' that's double punched I recommend
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But doesn't the fine clay soil clog up the fabric? That's what I have seen out there.
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i have so much clay I can have standing surface water only 1ft away from a 5ft deep trench and it just lays on the surface for a week.
then grade it into the trench
What about when I got heavy clay soil around it? someone told me that over time the clay will stick to the fabric and became impermeable
Yea, and they think the cheaper option of woven plastic fabric works better, it really don't work as water cannot penetrate landscape fabric, not same as geotech woven cloth fabric.
Exactly my question
Put stone around it?
I have the same question. My hypothesis is that the fabric, fully clogged, won't be any less permeable than the (in my case clay) soil itself.
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although a good representation of the permeability.
this is misleading because of the concave shape you let shape (bowl) in the fabric. allows 2x + surface area for the water to permeate through.
Will it work in Clay
That's the only type of soil we are working in
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Your personal drains got a nice cleaning.
Demonstrations are time and money. Try to do a economical Demonstration.
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Yes they do. I agree with you Robert. This was a great demo.
so maybe install the 8oz on the bottom and 4oz on the top?
Suit yourself. I'm 95% 4oz everything for the flow rate. A quality 4 oz will last longer than Amazon or Lowes 4 oz.
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What about super fine sandy soil. What fabric do you suggest?
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Maybe next time u can use smaller container and less water!!!!!
Your exactly right, it eats up in their profits. Apple Drains, sketch!
Now run silt and dirt with the water and see how long the fabric lasts.
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Eventually dirt and dust settles at the bottom and will prevent it from draining.
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This is nice video on the geo fabric. However it is not real world, none of your drains are left uncovered. You always add a couple inches of round rock, or you place sod 2” thick over the fabric. So rain would have to percolate through the sod, then the fabric to even get close to real world. The complaint is that is slows a lot and clay sediment seeps through and ends up in the closed French drain system. Eventually it will clog.
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My septic is overwhelmed when we get heavy rain and then my toilet won't flush for 3-7 days. Will this help?
You’re not replicating water flow in a French drain…. Add sediment on top of the fabric, to see how the dirt clogs the fabric
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Hope you don't waste so much materials and cutting your profits the way you wasted all that water after the second bucket which by then you proved your point.. Looooooong video but at least you have the method of a french drain right.
This test is useless everything works great in perfect conditions you put any kind of soil on the fabric eventually will affect the performance. I've watched this guy say hey if you don't wrap your French drains soil will migrate through the rocks and plug the system with the big holes in the pipe what do you think will happen with the small voids in fabric it's common sense it will diminish performance even quicker. It's like you and Apple drains are at war but at least when he did this test he put soil do show that yes when you do the flow gets greatly diminished.
No you're bragging, "I've got great water pressure" is a bit of a kick in the teeth to those of us who don't.
Cost for nonwoven geo textile fabric and sizes of rolls it comes in? Can't help but notice how much nice clean water gets wasted in this video. People in Africa be like wtf is this guy doing 😳😂
Well, it's not like that water is magically piped to Somalia if he didn't use it anyhow.
ColtaineCrows that's not the point. The point is water is being wasted period and there are some that can't even get clean water yet ppl here throw it around and waste it. I guess some ppl just can't see the bigger picture
Peter Last your the one that can’t see the bigger picture. There is no shortage of water where he is at, and the amount of water he wasted is nothing compared to the amount of knowledge he gave.
Oh and no not all resources are finite for our purposes.
crunch9876 your statement of "the amount of knowledge he gave" is humorous to me because that "knowledge" is to a limited crowd of ppl on this earth interested in something like this and his knowledge doesn't help the environment to prosper and enrich itself. Btw it's "you're the one" not "your". You must be one of those young folks that spent too much time on an Xbox instead of in class? All knowledge and insight should come at a wasteful cost to the environment?? With all due respect sharing some insight doesn't have to cost the environment or at least is shouldn't and should be more carefully managed. Just concern for Mother Earth and its' resources.
@@lh98 Hope the fall from your soap box doesn't break any bones. My gawd, you're a little overboard on the Mother Earth stuff, aren't you? Why would you be clicking on this if you didn't have an interest in how to drain excess water in and around your property? I happen to live in a place with an abundance of water and I certainly appreciate but there's no need to get all high and mighty about it.
Not a real world test. Put clay/dirt on top and then compare. They'd all be the same. Pointing fingers with bottomline accusations?
Real world test 10 years later the fabric looked and worked even better than the 1st year and here's why
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Woven or non-woven for a gravel patio?
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