The fact is, is that the US, and probably the UK had broken the Japanese Naval Code months before the attack. I was a grunt Marine in the Vietnam War. I find it beyond bizarre that you couldn't imagine that a US President would lie, and want to be attacked to inflame public opinion for war. They did it in WW I with the sinking of the Lusitania. A cruise ship loaded with weapons. They knew and denied it for decades. The Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. 2003 Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There were none. 'In War, truth is the first casualty' Aeschylus.
That FDR conspiracy theory has been debunked thoroughly. The US government knew the Nips were going to attack. But the Pacific is huge and no one expected Pearl Harbor to be attacked. Also no ships were sunk in the Gulf of Tonkin, which was just nervous trigger happy sailors firing at phantom ships.
TECHNICAL ERROR IN THIS VIDEO: Oscilloscopes do not "pick up" signals. They are not radio receivers. O-scopes only DISPLAY WAVEFORMS. They must be fed a signal from a receiver.
The radar sets back then didn't work like you see today. There was no radarscope that plotted positions. The radar sets used back then used oscilloscopes to measure the strength of a radar return signal at a given bearing. Point the antenna in one direction and look for any spikes on the scope.
I think that Short did take defensive measures. He just prepared to defend against sabotage. He was not ready for air attack. It seems that this was a pretty good position to take.
The US had intercepted the warning sent to the Japanese ambassador and translated it before they did. The reason they didn't say anything was so the Japanese wouldn't change their codes so the US could maintain their intel advantage going into the war. Also, the US ordered every carrier stationed at Pearl Harbor to sail as a convoy escort only a few days before the attack, the only time in history that's ever happened. If they hadn't the US would not have been able to enter the war as quickly as they did, if at all. My Grandfather worked in Navy Intelligence and was actually listed as KIA on the USS Arizona even though he had transferred to the USS Enterprise right before they sailed. Everything I post on this is what he told my Grandmother after the war ended and I would trust his account over the US governments any day of the week. He had no reason to lie about it, they do.
The carrier groups weren't "convoy escorts." They had been loaded with aircraft on board being transferred to outlying islands, e.g., Midway and Wake. Halsey detached his cruisers from Enterprise, and established a full-up CAP as soon as he got over the horizon from Pearl Harbor.
You left out irrefutable evidence that the US had forewarning. On Nov 6 and7 1941, Japan sent a message to the UUS EMBASSY via the Purple machine imploring US to negotiate the tariffs and oil embargo that had been placed on them by the US. When the US IN LATE NOVEMBER ignored and concluded all conversations, the Japan said they would escalate this matter. US foolishly though that the attack would be on the Philippines due to logistic and not the US
The US knew something was up, but nothing pointed towards Pearl Harbor and everything towards Malaya and the Dutch East Indies. Admiral Hart had already deployed the Asiatic Fleet to wartime locations and had withdrawn the Yangtze River Patrol and the 4th Marine Regiment from China to the Philippines. The last few Marines in China were supposed to be withdrawn on the 10th (the liner SS President Harrison, sent to pick them up, was captured by Japan in Shanghai on the first day of the war, along with the gunboat USS Wake (PR-3) which had been left behind in Shanghai as a radio station) It was MacArthur who got caught flat footed with his forces not ready for war.
Japanese doctrine never considered attacking the port facilities or fuel tanks. More to the point, the fuel tanks were not nearly as easy to destroy as people think they were, and destroying the port facilities would have taken time that the Japanese did not have.
Japan blundered by attacking Pearl harbor in the first place, regardless if they attacked the Oil Facilities ,which were never really considered (the Third Strike Myth), Japan was fighting a war with an opponent they could not defeat. Japan could never win a long term war against the United States but their thinking was based on their previous experiences, Tsushima and the attempted Mongol invasion, where a single battle decided the outcome of the war, in their mind logistics was not relevant and even if it was they did not have the logistical capability to pull it off.
According to former CIA Director and head of WW2 OSS leader William Casey, Churchill had access to the Japanese JN 25 and informed Roosevelt of the operations.
Watch the film Tora! Tora! Tora! to see how things went so horribly wrong. US Navy intelligence deduced that an attack was coming, but they weren't sure which targets would be struck, and they also pegged the wrong day: Sunday 30 November. Plus, commanders in Washington didn't want to start a Pacific war, knowing they'd be vilified as warhawks by the press.
Short and Kimmel were hung out to dry. MacArthur was similarly negligent in the Philippines in spite of having 9 hrs warning after Pearl Harbor, but he is considered a hero. Also, the video fails to mention the Japanese attack on Malaya, with troop landings at Kota Bharu occurring 90 minutes before the attack on Pearl Harbor. On that side of the date line the date was December 8. The landings were opposed by Indian troops and the RAF. By the evening of December 4, British intelligence had been expecting that attack, but not one on American territory. Lord Halifax, the British ambassador to Washington wrote in his diary, “Everything looks exactly like the Japanese balloon going up in the course of a day or two...cyphers being burnt, secret messages in that sense, etc.”
"The U.S. knew something was afoot, they just had no idea where." For effective military planning, you can not repeat can not worry about what potential enemies will do. You need to look at all the things they can do, and prepare to stop those things that can hurt you.
You say it was bad that U.S. Gen. Shorts and Admiral Kimble were not communicating, but you say it was good that Japanese Admiral Yamamoto told next to no one about his plans?
Concerning the Opana radar site... the two enlisted operators were just training with the unit. There had never been any operational training exercises to acquaint the operators, Army fighter direction or Hawaii command personnel with the capability or employment of the unit. The officer on duty at Hickam Field, Lt Taylor had just been assigned to Hawaii, and that Sunday was his first duty day. Even if he had raised the alarm, the vast majority of the assigned aircraft had been prepared to thwart a subversive "Fifth Column" terrorist attack, defueled and disarmed, per Washington's orders. It is unlikely that the US military in Hawaii could have been lulled into a more passive stance than they were. In fact, intelligence pointed more to attacks in East Asia than anywhere else.
Many people think the attack by the Japanese was a success for them but actually it a colossal failure. Number 1 there were NO Carriers there at the time and the Carrier not the battleship would be the main weapon in the pacific and the US is totally spared that NONE were there during the attack. The Oil fields for refueling the ships were untouched. There were all these Oil tank fields for refueling all the ships and all could have been blown up but they werent. Finally The repair centers for the ships were not touched too. In the battle of Coral Sea the Carrier USS Yorktown is badly damaged and is able to get back to Pearl to get repaired and fight again at Midway. This shocked and confused the Japanese who thought the Yorktown was gone by the time of Midway. So 3 key things didnt happen. No Carriers there or any damaged, No damage to Oil Fields and no damage to Repair centers. Add in this the fact you attacked a bigger stronger country with more resources than you. This is like Punching a Sleeping Mike Tyson in his prime who will wake up and seek revenge on you. JAPAN was doomed after this attack. but HAD they had the carriers there and all the oil fields blown up and all the repair centers destroyed it Would have taken longer to finish then off. probably add a few more years on WW2 in the pacific.
How come the U.S did not see the boats on radar? They sure wanted an excuse to join the war with a passive aggressive attack on Japans economy before the attack
@@PhilStewart-xf9rp On the morning of 7 December 1941 the SCR-270 radar at the Opana Radar Site on northern Oahu detected a large number of aircraft approaching from the north. This information was conveyed to Fort Shafter’s Intercept Center. The report was dismissed by Lieutenant Kermit Tyler who assumed that it was a scheduled flight of aircraft from the continental United States. The radar had in fact detected the first wave of Japanese Navy aircraft about to launch the attack on Pearl Harbor.
@Onkelpappa yes I do know that but did not pick up the Japanese fleet, what the other gentleman asked. The office in charge when notified of the large formation of aircraft told the operators to dis regard that it was a flight of B-17's
Incrediblely true. Roosevelt prior to Pearl Harbor, already had several operations in play. One was fly American bombers and aircrews under the Chinese flag to bomb mainland Japan. Roosevelt needed an event to trigger the American public into supporting a war. U.S. Navel intelligence were maintaining tight surveillance on domestic Japanese interactions. Americans were simply beaten to the punch.
No, the attack was an opportunity for Roosevelt, who promised no US troops would be sent by him to war. The fleet sent from San Diego to Hawaii was a serious provocative act on its own.
After the failure of the 2nd Washington Naval Treaty, US and Britain started sharing ALL their Naval Intel as they both had concerns over growing hostilities in Europe and Pacific. There, it's out there.
Fuchida's lapse was nothing compared to Adm. Nagumo who refused to make the third strike. Had they done so, and destroyed the oil storage tanks and repair yards our war effort would have been severely damaged forcing our forces to operate from US West Coast. A 2500 mile extension!! In Day of Deceit the author shows that FDR was given the last part of the secret message sent to Japan's Embassy hours before the attack. Our codebreakers had broken that code weeks earlier, and the last message stated to declare War at 1300 DC Time. That time difference gave FDR plenty of time to let Pearl Harbor know War was declared, and to take action. But to keep the code breaking a secret, FDR did nothing.
The brief clip of a Pearl Harbor survivor reminded me that the last Pearl Harbor survivor, 102-year-old Lou Cantor, died earlier this year. This means that this year's commemoration of the attack will be the first not to include any veteran of the battle (even vicariously).
Nobody in the US military and GOVT believed that the japs were capable of pulling off such an attack. Racism ruled. Chennault when he reported the advent of the zero in China and it's specifics. He was told that such a plane could not be built at present. The implication being that if we could not build it the japs certainly could not.
Unless I missed it there was no mention that the US Carriers which were the primary targets were not at Pearl Harbor that day.
The reason why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was because of one thing Oil and the lack there of for Japan.
And other raw materials and probably food.
its never just one thing lol
Yoda?
@@monsterzero760 The United States cut off oil and steel sales.
Plus they thought they could win with six months. Because they knew that they could never keep up with a mobilization in the US.
The fact is, is that the US, and probably the UK had broken the Japanese Naval Code months before the attack. I was a grunt Marine in the Vietnam War. I find it beyond bizarre that you couldn't imagine that a US President would lie, and want to be attacked to inflame public opinion for war.
They did it in WW I with the sinking of the Lusitania. A cruise ship loaded with weapons. They knew and denied it for decades.
The Gulf of Tonkin in 1964.
2003 Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There were none. 'In War, truth is the first casualty' Aeschylus.
That FDR conspiracy theory has been debunked thoroughly. The US government knew the Nips were going to attack. But the Pacific is huge and no one expected Pearl Harbor to be attacked. Also no ships were sunk in the Gulf of Tonkin, which was just nervous trigger happy sailors firing at phantom ships.
TECHNICAL ERROR IN THIS VIDEO:
Oscilloscopes do not "pick up" signals. They are not radio receivers. O-scopes only DISPLAY WAVEFORMS. They must be fed a signal from a receiver.
The radar sets back then didn't work like you see today. There was no radarscope that plotted positions. The radar sets used back then used oscilloscopes to measure the strength of a radar return signal at a given bearing. Point the antenna in one direction and look for any spikes on the scope.
The victors always blame the other side for warmongering
I think that Short did take defensive measures. He just prepared to defend against sabotage. He was not ready for air attack. It seems that this was a pretty good position to take.
Not in hindsight.
@@WilliamMurphy-b6v Hindsight is 20/20. Foresight....not so much. :B
@@WilliamMurphy-b6v For sure.
The US had intercepted the warning sent to the Japanese ambassador and translated it before they did. The reason they didn't say anything was so the Japanese wouldn't change their codes so the US could maintain their intel advantage going into the war. Also, the US ordered every carrier stationed at Pearl Harbor to sail as a convoy escort only a few days before the attack, the only time in history that's ever happened. If they hadn't the US would not have been able to enter the war as quickly as they did, if at all. My Grandfather worked in Navy Intelligence and was actually listed as KIA on the USS Arizona even though he had transferred to the USS Enterprise right before they sailed. Everything I post on this is what he told my Grandmother after the war ended and I would trust his account over the US governments any day of the week. He had no reason to lie about it, they do.
I believe the Navy Admiral retired right after Pearl Harbor feeling responsible for the attack
The carrier groups weren't "convoy escorts." They had been loaded with aircraft on board being transferred to outlying islands, e.g., Midway and Wake. Halsey detached his cruisers from Enterprise, and established a full-up CAP as soon as he got over the horizon from Pearl Harbor.
Who ordered the carriers to sea?
You left out irrefutable evidence that the US had forewarning. On Nov 6 and7 1941, Japan sent a message to the UUS EMBASSY via the Purple machine imploring US to negotiate the tariffs and oil embargo that had been placed on them by the US. When the US IN LATE NOVEMBER ignored and concluded all conversations, the Japan said they would escalate this matter. US foolishly though that the attack would be on the Philippines due to logistic and not the US
Hawaii wasn't part of America till the 1960s
It was a territory, but not yet a state.
The US knew something was up, but nothing pointed towards Pearl Harbor and everything towards Malaya and the Dutch East Indies. Admiral Hart had already deployed the Asiatic Fleet to wartime locations and had withdrawn the Yangtze River Patrol and the 4th Marine Regiment from China to the Philippines. The last few Marines in China were supposed to be withdrawn on the 10th (the liner SS President Harrison, sent to pick them up, was captured by Japan in Shanghai on the first day of the war, along with the gunboat USS Wake (PR-3) which had been left behind in Shanghai as a radio station) It was MacArthur who got caught flat footed with his forces not ready for war.
Interesting... the pacific fleet was moved from California to Pearl Harbor on February 1, 1941????
Yes, it could have been worse, The Japanese blundered by neither attacking the dry dock repair facilities or the fuel storage depots .
Fixated on battleships. Not long term thinking. As in oil and dry docks. 👍
Japanese doctrine never considered attacking the port facilities or fuel tanks. More to the point, the fuel tanks were not nearly as easy to destroy as people think they were, and destroying the port facilities would have taken time that the Japanese did not have.
Japan blundered by attacking Pearl harbor in the first place, regardless if they attacked the Oil Facilities ,which were never really considered (the Third Strike Myth), Japan was fighting a war with an opponent they could not defeat. Japan could never win a long term war against the United States but their thinking was based on their previous experiences, Tsushima and the attempted Mongol invasion, where a single battle decided the outcome of the war, in their mind logistics was not relevant and even if it was they did not have the logistical capability to pull it off.
The irony, the Japanese attacked with short term goals in mind and wound up expanding the war to their fall. Oops.
Short term solutions most often fail in the long run.
According to former CIA Director and head of WW2 OSS leader William Casey, Churchill had access to the Japanese JN 25 and informed Roosevelt of the operations.
Watch the film Tora! Tora! Tora! to see how things went so horribly wrong. US Navy intelligence deduced that an attack was coming, but they weren't sure which targets would be struck, and they also pegged the wrong day: Sunday 30 November. Plus, commanders in Washington didn't want to start a Pacific war, knowing they'd be vilified as warhawks by the press.
Short and Kimmel were hung out to dry. MacArthur was similarly negligent in the Philippines in spite of having 9 hrs warning after Pearl Harbor, but he is considered a hero.
Also, the video fails to mention the Japanese attack on Malaya, with troop landings at Kota Bharu occurring 90 minutes before the attack on Pearl Harbor. On that side of the date line the date was December 8. The landings were opposed by Indian troops and the RAF.
By the evening of December 4, British intelligence had been expecting that attack, but not one on American territory. Lord Halifax, the British ambassador to Washington wrote in his diary, “Everything looks exactly like the Japanese balloon going up in the course of a day or two...cyphers being burnt, secret messages in that sense, etc.”
but yet out carriers were all out at sea......
"The U.S. knew something was afoot, they just had no idea where."
For effective military planning, you can not repeat can not worry about what potential enemies will do. You need to look at all the things they can do, and prepare to stop those things that can hurt you.
You say it was bad that U.S. Gen. Shorts and Admiral Kimble were not communicating, but you say it was good that Japanese Admiral Yamamoto told next to no one about his plans?
Concerning the Opana radar site... the two enlisted operators were just training with the unit. There had never been any operational training exercises to acquaint the operators, Army fighter direction or Hawaii command personnel with the capability or employment of the unit. The officer on duty at Hickam Field, Lt Taylor had just been assigned to Hawaii, and that Sunday was his first duty day. Even if he had raised the alarm, the vast majority of the assigned aircraft had been prepared to thwart a subversive "Fifth Column" terrorist attack, defueled and disarmed, per Washington's orders. It is unlikely that the US military in Hawaii could have been lulled into a more passive stance than they were. In fact, intelligence pointed more to attacks in East Asia than anywhere else.
Many people think the attack by the Japanese was a success for them but actually it a colossal failure. Number 1 there were NO Carriers there at the time and the Carrier not the battleship would be the main weapon in the pacific and the US is totally spared that NONE were there during the attack. The Oil fields for refueling the ships were untouched. There were all these Oil tank fields for refueling all the ships and all could have been blown up but they werent. Finally The repair centers for the ships were not touched too. In the battle of Coral Sea the Carrier USS Yorktown is badly damaged and is able to get back to Pearl to get repaired and fight again at Midway. This shocked and confused the Japanese who thought the Yorktown was gone by the time of Midway. So 3 key things didnt happen. No Carriers there or any damaged, No damage to Oil Fields and no damage to Repair centers. Add in this the fact you attacked a bigger stronger country with more resources than you. This is like Punching a Sleeping Mike Tyson in his prime who will wake up and seek revenge on you. JAPAN was doomed after this attack. but HAD they had the carriers there and all the oil fields blown up and all the repair centers destroyed it Would have taken longer to finish then off. probably add a few more years on WW2 in the pacific.
How come the U.S did not see the boats on radar? They sure wanted an excuse to join the war with a passive aggressive attack on Japans economy before the attack
The Jap Ships were 230 miles off the coast. Land-based radar could not pick up Ships that far out.
Radar did not work like that back then. It had to be specific.. for air targets and for surface targets
@@PhilStewart-xf9rp On the morning of 7 December 1941 the SCR-270 radar at the Opana Radar Site on northern Oahu detected a large number of aircraft approaching from the north. This information was conveyed to Fort Shafter’s Intercept Center. The report was dismissed by Lieutenant Kermit Tyler who assumed that it was a scheduled flight of aircraft from the continental United States. The radar had in fact detected the first wave of Japanese Navy aircraft about to launch the attack on Pearl Harbor.
@Onkelpappa yes I do know that but did not pick up the Japanese fleet, what the other gentleman asked. The office in charge when notified of the large formation of aircraft told the operators to dis regard that it was a flight of B-17's
*_Fujida was preaching the Bible in the famous photograph at _**_5:08_**_ ..._*
ルーズベルトは戦争したかったんだよ
The US always wants war
So the Japanese attacked to support Roosevelt?
Incrediblely true. Roosevelt prior to Pearl Harbor, already had several operations in play. One was fly American bombers and aircrews under the Chinese flag to bomb mainland Japan. Roosevelt needed an event to trigger the American public into supporting a war. U.S. Navel intelligence were maintaining tight surveillance on domestic Japanese interactions. Americans were simply beaten to the punch.
No, the attack was an opportunity for Roosevelt, who promised no US troops would be sent by him to war. The fleet sent from San Diego to Hawaii was a serious provocative act on its own.
Did the U.S. know it was coming? Maybe ask the Brits what they knew, if anything, and how much of that was passed on.
Just putting it out there.
After the failure of the 2nd Washington Naval Treaty, US and Britain started sharing ALL their Naval Intel as they both had concerns over growing hostilities in Europe and Pacific.
There, it's out there.
Fuchida's lapse was nothing compared to Adm. Nagumo who refused to make the third strike. Had they done so, and destroyed the oil storage tanks and repair yards our war effort would have been severely damaged forcing our forces to operate from US West Coast. A 2500 mile extension!!
In Day of Deceit the author shows that FDR was given the last part of the secret message sent to Japan's Embassy hours before the attack. Our codebreakers had broken that code weeks earlier, and the last message stated to declare War at 1300 DC Time. That time difference gave FDR plenty of time to let Pearl Harbor know War was declared, and to take action.
But to keep the code breaking a secret, FDR did nothing.
The brief clip of a Pearl Harbor survivor reminded me that the last Pearl Harbor survivor, 102-year-old Lou Cantor, died earlier this year. This means that this year's commemoration of the attack will be the first not to include any veteran of the battle (even vicariously).
*last known survivor of the USS Airzona not Pearl Harbour
Get your facts straight
@@nj5426 You are right. Infact, according to the Pearl Harbor Survivor List, after the passing of Lou Cantor there are still 12 survivors left.
Good thing I don't need a living veteran to remind me of a battle.
🙏🙌🇺🇸
Churchill & Morganthau new it was coming and told nobody
According William Casey that is not true.
Nobody in the US military and GOVT believed that the japs were capable of pulling off such an attack. Racism ruled. Chennault when he reported the advent of the zero in China and it's specifics. He was told that such a plane could not be built at present. The implication being that if we could not build it the japs certainly could not.
Except the former head of CIA and OSS has confirmed they did.