Wife and I read all the books, not perfect but loved them overall. We were foolish enough to actually be excited and cautiously optimistic when we found out it would finally be put on screen... I can't even put into words the disappointment and genuine disgust we experienced watching this absolute abomination that is season 1 of this show. Blood and bloody ashes it was bad.
It is. It really fucking is. I hated the abomination that was the first season. And what they did to Mat. My favorite character. I watched episode 1 season 2. Dog shit.
@@shaneraine8081 I know man. In the books I didn't start out liking Matt at all, but by the end of the series he was my favorite too! The show somehow manages to make *everyone* unlikable!
@blfry The Not Perin character. What they've done to him. Perin was never sure of himself. He never had a wife until much, much, later on. And he just had yellow eyes. They didn't actually do anything. It was just him and Alias signature look. They're dream walkers.
That is how I feel. I have read the books since I was a kid in the 90s and I have loved them and reread some of the books many times. I was so hopeful we would get something following GoT's early seasons framework. Instead we got something much worse that shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as GoT. Sadly for all of us long time fans this was our chance to see the series come to life on the screen and they picked the worst possible show runner.
I turned off the first episode when they decided to turn Matts father into a drunken womanizer. So unnecessary, Abel Cauthon and Tam al thor were great fictional fathers.
Right? Why the shot at Abel. Why was Perrin married? If you didn't finish the season, you didn't get to the part where Rand and Perrin fought because they BOTH loved Egwene. What?!
@@gregowen2022 I should have known it would be trash from the very beginning when they acted like it was possible to have a Female Dragon Reborn lol. That destroys the entire premises of the books. The series has tons of extremely powerful women doing amazing things, they don't need to make up extra stuff to make them look better. Moraine and Siuan are together? Thom Merrillin is one of the greatest characters in the wheel of time, why would they erase him?
@@gregowen2022 In regards to Perrin + Rand + Egwene love triangle... You know how some people say that PWB and Rey are Kathleen Kennedy's "self-inserts" into Star Wars and Indy? I think Egwene is Rafe Judkins' self-insert into Wheel of Time.
I remember when I first saw the first Avengers movie, I was bewildered that a company finally was able to respect the original content in a successful way. I figured companies would of learned by now..
This is what happens, when you put a certain type of modern woman... or gay man... in charge of running an SF or fantasy show. The first are feminists, many of whom do NOT like men... and the second tend to be rather effeminate. Neither of the two understand masculine men (or feminine women), because they AREN'T either of those... THIS is the reason that the female characters get turned into Mary Sues, while the main characters get "The Last Jedi" treatment... or fat-Thor, etc. In the case of Amazon's Wheel of Time, we've got an "adaptation" (hate-fiction) produced by a studio run by what appears to be a feminist, and the show itself run by a gay man who self-identifies as a feminist.
@@Nyet-Zdyes It's not about real feminism, it's a bunch of capitalists who have realized that if they brand stuff as feminism they can get away with not putting in any effort.
2:46 No Greg, they believe women are at their best when they act like men, independent of men. You’re sweetly naive to think they would appreciate: “Men and women are at their best when they work together”. That’s far too conservative.
Masculinity gets all the prestige, because films aimed at male audiences define the popular culture. However, men are bad, and they don't deserve the prestige. Women should get the prestige, but femininity doesn't get prestige, masculinity does. Therefore, women (who deserve prestige) must be masculine.
Wheel of time, Rings of Power, The Witcher and even The Watch. All making everything they can to make us loath these series. Because The Message is better than The Story. And that the producer/writers HATE the original material. I've been burned so many times now.
These TV writers always think they're outsmarting the source material, and they never are. I'm dreading S2. The damane stuff is going to be so baaaaddddddd
I had the exact same thoughts you did on the male/female balance. The women are so powerful in the books that it was unnecessary for them to steal the agency from the men. But they went and did it anyway. Now I’m just waiting 10 or so years for the real adaptation of WoT because the current one is a joke.
Funnily enough when someone asked Rafe Judkins why he did that with the male characters, his only answer was "Because I'm a feminist!!". That tell you everything you need to know.
What's so backwards is these people thinking this stuff is empowering and feministic. I don't look smart when I outwit a child, I look smart when I'm holding my own with another smart person. The women in the books were powerful because we had perspective of other powerful people to compare them to, and as a team, men and women did even more powerful things. This dumbing down of the men makes women look bad because it sends the message that they need a handicap to compete
this is why A. I very rarely watch shows/movies on books I really enjoy (though it's gotten worse) and B. I really don't care if the writer's strike is ever over considering the schlock they put out.
After seeing what "writers" did to this and Rings of Power I'm starting to think maybe AI scripts wouldn't be such a bad think after all I'm sure if you fed it Jordan's books it'd do a helluv a more faithful adaptation considering how well he described shit down to the last detail actually someone do that shit
The people who made this show are genuinely bad people. There are so many people who are complicit in the failure that is this show. I dont understand how something like this gets through all the levels of approval that this sort of project is subjected to. Even the actors reading the script should have realized what was happening and not participated. Its actually disgusting.
My husband and I tapped out after the first episode. You reminding me what happened in it makes me wonder how we even made it that far. Rand and Egwene getting way too comfy way too fast, the excessive gore and violence, so many elements not making any sense to the theme and essence of the books (you hit all of them, thank you) and then Perrin...*aggravated and ready to smack somebody disappointment noises!!!* I had some interest still in seeing what they did in the rest of the season. Thank you for validating my decision to NOT. I have ZERO interest in the second season but I will surely enjoy hearing you lampoon it😊
The showrunner just broke the lore for no good reason. two rivers isolated for centuries and it looks like modern London or LA. I was pretty pissed that they got such a tall actress for Moiraine (and she just looked too middle aged for it)
I think they really don't care if their shows are good. Just just make what they want. They know that making the Two Rivers racial diverse ruins part of the story. They just don't care.
I am a HUGE FAN of the books and I will NOT be watching the second season. They changed the magic system, the changed the characters, they changed the heroes journey. This is NOT Jordon's WoT it is (showrunner) Rafe Judkins' WoT. Matt is my favorite character from the books and what they did to his character is tragic. The scene with Moiraine and Siuan pissed me off to no end. In my mind's eye I don't see Siuan Sanche getting on her knees for ANYONE!
***Ghostly Whisper Voice*** "You'll never finish all the games in your backlog..." Comedy gold AND something I can relate to 100%! If I used a genie's wish to stay alive and healthy until such time as I finished my games back log, I'd probably have to live at least another century!
The sad thing is we’ve seen this kind of thing over and over now. Creators for movies and series think they Know better than the original creators and that they can do the story wayyyyyyh better which they can’t and everyone sees it pretty fast. Instead of creating there own story they destroy and horribly mess up beloved works of great creators most that have passed.
Great rant. And a true one, too. These mega companies are more in line with just making money (profit), and pandering to what they think “modern audiences” want to see. They do not care nor focus on making good, long-lasting material (like the original Star Wars 4-6 saga-but not the Ewoks. Never the Ewoks). Unfortunately Disney, Amazon, and their ilk are at the same time ruining our most beloved stories.
And you didn't even touch on how in the books Egwene is supposed to be quite attractive, yet they of course chose to cast a distractingly unattractive actress to portray her. ..ugh
I read the books and made my wife watch the show with me. The season 1 Finale was confusing AF. She asked me what was going on and I couldn’t tell her because I was so confused. I agree with you on all your points. For a newcomer like my wife, the story was slow. And for someone who actually read the series, this show was just an awful, awful adaptation. Like healing your favorite song be bastardized by a drank cover band
The books had so many plots and subplots to draw from and they waste a whole season on a ridiculous "who's the dragon" mystery box. All to pretend like the dragon could be male or FEMALE. The women in this world in all the lands _ Two rivers with the women circle, camelyn with the Queen and matriarch, Aiel who went toe to toe with the men not just the sisters of the spear (in the book Rand tried cuddling them til they had ENOUGH and were ready to break their spears on his fool head 😄) then seafolk, seanchan had their empress and daughter of the nine moons, the Amryrilin seat and Aes sedai. The book was packed with so many power dynamics & enough "girl bosses" with legitimate power! Even the chosen/forsaken had some really evil powerful women and they still downplay the dragon & Rand's power. You're points about Rand standing out was on point. He stood out so much in the books that I wondered why he never questioned his Dad about it and was in such denial when his dad let it slip (quite a traumatic way of finding out). So many dumbass changes shows they do not understand or appreciate the source material. Just latched unto a beloved story with a built-in fanbase, the same as rings of power & witcher...
Decades we waited for a WoT adaptation. Instead we get this. Pathetic. I suffered through season 1, but vowed no more after that brutally terrible and stupid finale.
Hey Greg, I watched your last video that talked about The Wheel of Time a while ago, and it convinced me to actually begin reading the books. I haven't read a book in years, but I'm currently on Book 4! Thanks for recommending the book series, I'm having a lot of fun reading it :)
@@giocofinito6236 I'm happy to hear that you are still persevering with the books. I hope that you don't give up on them. I've read books 1-5 seven times and I have read books 6-9 five times. Yet books 10-14 only once each. I've been listening to books 1-4 by Rosamund Pike on Audible. The first three I've listened to twice. Book 4 I've just listened to for the first time (it was released last week). I love the Rosamund Pike narrations. In The Shadow Rising in chapters 30-31 when Bran tells Perrin about his family's murder, she nearly had me in tears at 56 years old. Reading the same chapters to myself multiple times didn't have the same effect. She voices characters incredibly well. Unfortunately, I tried the Kramer and Reading audio versions but felt that Kramer especially was better suited to reading Westerns than high fantasy. The American twang didn't seem to fit the situation to my ears. I know Kramer and Reading are strongly favoured by many, just not by me. Perhaps you should give an Audible version a go and see if they fit better with your current circumstances? 😃❤️😃
@2:40 it could have been great for our political climate. The problem is that the people making these shows believe their side is above reproach and are the real good guys.
I am on book eight. I had to take a break for the summer, but I didn't bother with the show mostly because I didn't want to have anything influence how I was picturing the lands and characters in my mind. I was deeply concerned with how they would take a story that is so dense and complex and with so much nuance and so many interesting characters and adapt it. Turns out not well at all and so I will not be bothering with this show in any form even after I finish the series.
I’d say worse. Even worse than eragon. At least they didn’t actively hate the source material with ‘fans’ claiming the books sucked. There’s some of the fake fans on here now. If they hate the source material then they aren’t fans
I like the epic climax of the season and a defining moment for the dragon reborn is him realizing Eqwene is a strong independent women. Won't be watching season 2
The most ironic detail is they are trying so hard to be all 'girlpower' and stuff, but yet their first idea on how to give a man the most barebones arc possivle is by giving him a wife and then fridging her.
The Perrin wife thing was insane and let us know right out of the gate that this was not going by the book. And the “Perrin loves Egwene in secret” thing?! What the hell? A stunning amount of made up crap going on
It was so bad, I decided to stop watching and re-read the series. I made to decision to listen to audio, and ended up having to purchase two audio books of The Great Hunt, because one was narrarated by Rosamund Pike and there was no way I was going to listen to her and be reminded of this dismal show. Found the version w/Michael Kramer and Kate...thank goodness.
In the real world you're not going to have diversity outside of major metropolitan areas in first world countries. Go to small towns or third world countries and you'll find most of the people looking the same because nobody wants to move there and the people inhabiting the town have lived there for generations and have homogenized. This is why in fantasy stories with low technology levels have uniform skin tones, because that's what happens in real life when its not easy to move more than one town over.
We knew what was coming, but still gave it a bash, and I couldn't agree with you more, Greg. I read all the books again each time a new one came along and as there's a lot of 'em I got to know them quite well, the missus (my better half) has also read them numerous times. I managed to watch the first episode and that was more than enough, my better half walked out with 10 minutes to go. It's like the producers were given OK Computer by Radiohead, smashed it up with Perrin's axe and ended up with I'm a Barbie Girl by Aqua. The arrogance of Holywoke to think they could improve upon a Master Work is incredible, but not surprising. We won't be watching any more... at all... ever!
Wait until you see season two, when Egwene not only escapes from the Seanchen by heeself, but also saves Rand from Ishamael. Also, Aviendha is a short, mixed race woman with dread locks and they're setting up a romantic relationship between her and Perrin.
Moiraine and Siuan were Pillow Friends in the books. It was just comfort during the hardships of the White Tower training. According to Robert Jordan: "Well, you put fifteen-year-old girls in a tower filled with almost entirely women, with their hormones raging on overdrive, keep them away from men, because you can’t afford to lose any of them, and what do you think is going to happen?" If this show continues, it makes me wonder... how will this impact her relationship with Thom Merrilin?
I'm trying to work on a season review, but I can't bring myself to watch the 5th episode or more. It's just not enjoyable. Has Thom shown back up? I wouldn't be shocked if they wrote him out entirely to prevent Moiraine from having the weakness of being interested in a man.
@@gregowen2022 I haven’t watched the show but is it focusing too much on Moiraine and not enough on Rand al’Thor? Given what other reviewers have said and how the show is marketed, it seems to be the case.
This series of books got me through the worst of my depression..i needed to know how it ended. When i heard it was being adapted by AMAZON....i decided im never watching it. Seems like a good decision
You 100% made the right call, especially if you feel a special attachment to the story. Rafe and Amazon really threw the themes straight out the window and crapped on some fan favorite characters. If you love Mat, this show will make your blood boil
My brother was reading the series & recommended it to me. I had just finished reading The Lords of Chaos (Book 6) & was fortunate enough to meet Brandon Sanderson at Dragon*Con before a panel about the upcoming Finale "A Memory of Light". This is all to say that I love this series & Perrin is my favorite. So, when I tried to watch the show: I couldn't watch past the point that Perrin was shown to have a wife. I tried again, but when wifie was killed by Perrin: it was so jarring that I couldn't bring myself to watch any further 😢
12:00 I have a funny Loial comment. In that make up the actor playing Loial looks like a reject from the original 70's play of "THE WIZ!" He looks like the Cowardly lion's deformed, "Special" brother that no one talks about much. Ease on down anyone? 😝 I dare anyone to deny that if you placed that actor in the 70's movie version of "The Wiz" in that make up he would fit right in. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that is the original costume and make up
Calling the WOT Amazon series fan fiction is an insult to fans. No fan of the books would utterly destroy the characters in this diabolical fashion. This series was obviously created by people who hate the books and think they are better than the original author. And to threaten the audience with making the characters worse! As if they could!
As a lark, I scrolled through all the streamers recent sci-fi and fantasy properties to see who the main characters was or who was the protagonist. It is like 90% female. No lie. Sci fi and fantasy mainly appeals to young boys and guys, and everyone of these shows now have hijacked existing shows to make them all female or only adapt fantasy with a female protagonist. And of those, like Wheel of Time, they actually make them more girl power so the guys literally do nothing and it is all the women who actually do anything, or the guy can only be a villain. Even Marvel's new Avengers are like 80% female. People try to gaslight you saying why u mad bro? when you point any of this out, but it is ridiculously and obviously intentional that they are trying to feminize these genres and take away things boys would like. They all fail because boys do not identify with female leads and girls do not like sci fi and fantasy. They just don't, but these woke companies do not care. And no, the three women on the Mary Sue does not refute this statement.
Wokeism is about Envy and Revenge. How disgusted they are by men, especially white men, shines through. It's so mean and immature that I have no bloody patience for any of their flaming nonsense anymore. None. AI should replace all these 'word assemblers'. It can't get any worse. The pendulum is swinging back and the backlash might be harsh.
Why get the movie rights to a fantastic book and then change the story? They should call it The Waste of Time!! The costumes and sets are sad and lacking. It's a shame that they ruined this story.
I didn't know that was a book when Amazon kept interrupting my shows to make watch the trailer. After not caring for a long time, they eventually wore me down (I thought if they were announcing that much, it must be crazy good) and i went to look for information of release date. It was more than 2 months, if i remember correctly. I think i managed to watch 1 or 2 episodes. It was boring and it didn't made sense, and to me those are the main repellents a fantasy can have.
No lie, I canceled my Amazon Prime subscription after somehow getting through episode 3. Yes, I had been considering it beforehand, but that was the last straw. I read TEotW back in in 1990, then took it and "The Great Hunt" with me to Desert Shield/Storm, so I've been a WOT fan for ages ... and man was I disgusted/enraged with Amazon's "Waste of Time." So this show can just die in a fire. And you're referring to Asmodean, Greg, who showed up in book 4, "The Shadow Rising" as Rand's teacher. I will contest the comment about the Seanchan and race; Tuon is very much described as black, which implies Hawkwing's son intermarried with locals since Tuon is the Empress' daughter...
Where to begin on this travesty. The Two Rivers at the beginning of the story is not some multi-cultural destination. Now it does begin to become one in later books, as numerous wars begin breaking out in the known world, and refuges start streaming in, looking for a place of sanctuary. Moving on, aging up the characters present a significant problem. I'm not going to focus on the innocence lost, but more on the society these five are living in. The Two Rivers district is an agrarian society. As children become adults, they are expected to couple up and begin raising the next generation. Yet, even though all the characters are aged up, only Perrin is presented with a wife (although this is a very bad decision). Both Mat and Rand should also have been married by this time, either expecting their first born or already have one. Egwene should have been recognized as a woman for multiple years, and likely would have had a husband as well (whether that was Rand or not, makes no difference). Yet, even though the show has aged up each of the characters, they are still treated as though they are considered children, or at the very least young adults. Why? And then you have the sex. Throughout the books, Mat is shown as being the least inhibited one when it comes to sex, he is willing to bed as many women as are willing. For the remaining characters, the thought of sex outside of marriage is almost prohibited, especially for Nynaeve. Rand even floated the idea that he and Aviendha had to get married after they had sex. Yet the show has Rand and Egwene banging every other scene it seems like, and Nynaeve has no issue dropping her dress on Lan's floor. I could go on and on about the changes from the source material, and how the writers have just abandoned any pretense of staying true to book lore, but it doesn't matter anymore. After season 2, the show is just making it up as they go. The show cannot even remain internally consistent on their own writing. We'll have some piece of lore dropped in one episode, only for them to completely ignore it the next. And we have Rafe Judkins significantly altering the story so Rosamund Pike's Moiraine gets more screen time. Now I'm not clear if this something Rafe wanted, or if Rosamund requested, but both claim to be fans of the books, so they both knew going into this that Moiraine is mostly absent for book 2, and completely gone between the end of book 5 and the end of book 12. Based on this, should the show make it the planned 8 seasons, we will never see the redstone doorway ter'angreal, nor the Tower of Ghenjei. Moiraine will be the main character of the show throughout each season, with Egwene being the primary secondary character. Rand, Mat, and Perrin, well they'll continue just being side characters in their own story.
FANTASTIC mastery of the textual story--and, you're hitting every major point concerning the ridiculous show Amazon created (is creating). Bravo. I too think this show is doomed to fail in Season 2...Rafe Judkins is destroying one of the greatest stories ever. 15:26 OMG --is that a pacifier? Wtf is wrong with the people directing this show?!!
Thank you so much! I’m in awe of Rafe’s ability to call himself a big fan with a straight face. Haha, right? What is with the mouth guard? Is it to keep them from speaking? How’s that going to work when they get captured? Never mind, that probably won’t happen.
I think there would be less hatred for these WOKE shows if they would just admit they were writing these stories for women. Most Japanese media is categorized by who the target audience is. For example: Young children, teen boys, teen girls, adult men, or adult women. There is a reason Asian comics are selling more in America verses the WOKE infested American comic books. I went to Barns N Noble last weekend and the Japanese literature covers four isles that are over 30 feet long. The American/English made comic/literature was a single shelf about. . EDIT: I think the "Wheel of Time" book series were written for mostly male audiences; but the HBO trash show was remade for women. The TV show has almost nothing in common with the books.
If I'm remembering correctly, the Seanchan are actually pretty diverse as they are a large kingdom that more or less conquered an entire continent. We see many of the Seanchan get promoted to "the blood"(basically get royal titles) and the Empress is explicitly black. But other than that the casting in the show is rather bad.
Yes, the Seanchan are fairly diverse, as they were a native people that interbred with Artur Hawkwing's army... which was also diverse. I don't remember if the Seanchan Empress was Black... but one of her daughters (a "certain" one) most definitely was. And yes, much of the rest of the casting is just awful... which is entirely on the people who did the casting, not a critique of the actors or actresses themselves.
Seanchan is massive Place so it makes sense that they’d be diverse and the royal family can and does raise people to the level of 'blood‘ even though they’re not even from the same continent as Hawking. It’s rare but it does happen. Also the royal family isn’t incestuous so different branches of the family could look completely different from other branches. It has been like thirty generation since Hawking sent his ships across the sea
Something you’ve definitely accomplished here with me…I will NEVER watch this show…but I WILL go check out the 1st book 🤣 you’re changing the world for the better!
NO ONE WANTS TO SEE PICTURES of the meat I smoked? OK, that was just mean Greg, very, very mean! I think I am going to go lay in bed for a few days now and try to get over the depression!
In the books, the men are men, and the women are women. They are balanced between the characters... and the books are so massive... and so many... 14 books, each of which is something like 700 pages or more... that it has time to spend with a lot of different characters, both male and female... and DOES. There are a LOT of characters in the books... We've got our 5 main characters, 3M + 2F from Emond's Field... A lot of important secondary characters, including Lan and Moiraine, Rand's dad, Thom (the bard), Perrin's master blacksmith... a bunch of Aiel... Then we've got a couple of hundred "tertiary" characters...
Yehhhhhhh I didnt hate the trailer as much as i thought i would - there's a piece of me that dies when Lan bawled his eyes out in s1 that i will never get back. Look, i think we can glean the following - the girls all look at least to be doing things they should be. The boys, they have destroyed. The good news is the kid playing Rand seems to genuinely love the story and is re-reading, hopefully we get some Cavill like rspect for the lore in the future but this season? Will be unrecognisable.
And when he is channeling at 5he end of the book, there is no taint because male and female aysidy cleansed it for him. Showing men and women working together is the greatest
Thanks for the review! I stopped watching after they changed the reasons for Lews Therin making the seal from last desperate attempt before certain defeat, to arrogance and toxic masculinity. For me the taint was always at the core of the story, especially for Rand.
For me I always saw Rand as trying to out wit the prophecy. He doesnt want to die in the final battle so he is trying to get to that 2 step ahead part. thats how I saw it anyway
It's so sad that it's too broad a term. Whatever happened to respectfully adapting a thing?! Booktube and bookGram is falling all over themselves about that book. My guess is that publishers loved the SJM phenomenon and are giving it another go? Either way, I'm not reading smut, lol.
@@gregowen2022 Lockwood and Co on Netflix was an amazingly faithful adaptation, but that is the only one I can think of in recent history. I have personal beef with SJM. I read the start of Throne of Glass, before she was just a smut author, and she did things that make my blood boil. And Fourth Wing is even worse from what I know, being like a marriage between SJM and the infamous My Immortal Harry Potter fic
I guess better late than never. My gaming buddy was a HUGE fan of the books and was awaiting for the show. When it was released, he wanted to just teleport to the home base of the show and light them up for ruining a great book series. Of course that was last year sometime. Season two? Hell I never scratched the paint job on season one. I'm still binge watching "Young Sheldon".
Agree with almost everything you said. You forgot how stupid the blight and the eye was. The blight was one of the coolest areas in the books and in the show was just random thickets. Devoting almost an entire episode to Maksim was utterly ludicrous. The women at Tarwin's Gap is almost show killing. The entire point of the books is that Rand is such a powerful channeler that he can stand against a good. But the show has like 4 untrained non Aes-Sedai kill 10,000 trollocs. Elyas was cast for the show. I think Season 2 looks like it will be closer to the books but one of the WoT bloggers said it's even farther away than Book 1. I will still watch.
My thoughts on wheel of Time season 1...I wish I could go back in time and stop myself from reading the books so I would never know how disappointing the TV show is.
11:40 Mark. Yes. Thank you. I too am not upset when shows take things out for the sake of time. Or change a couple of small things to make things flow a little better. However, what I have a major problem with is out right leaving stuff out and then putting entirely different things in their place. Like Leaving out Mordeth and Elyas, but doing an ENTIRE EPISODE surrounded around Logain who is barely a foot note until book 6. Even then he doesn't have a big part until like book 7 and 8.
Rafe said that the mouth guard/pacifier things on the damane is symbolic of "how women have been gagged and silenced" for history. At least he actually admitted to having an agenda to push feminism through the show. Still laying it on thick enough to gag a grolm, though.
I didn't even bother... This was a real fan fiction alternate spin of the wheel by own admission of the creators. SO I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER. Rand was always an interesting character, he's mental fragility combined with the power of destroy a world with seems to love mess with him alwas makes it a pretty interesting character. Matrim Cauthon, I didn't like it very much through the first half of the novel's (too whine) but everything changed since a little before Ebu Dar, because despite the pretty f-boy title all women gives him, he became and unleashed certified bad azz. Perrin was my favorite but I started to prefer Mat when he separates from his wife Faile Bashere. I would like to add, Rand's harem is the Japanese definition of harem when the MC has no voice of vote and were the women wich decides who's in the harem 😂😂. Thank you for the video
I'll split my comments into two. For this one, you read "saga of the forgotten warrior" by Larry Correia? I've loved it so far and part of what I liked is how book one is character intros and world building. Book two on seems to be the quest & adventure proper. It's definitely a series that would be amazing to adapt but I dread such a thing because you know they'll somehow miss the point.
I've read the first three books of The Wheel of Time, and I was devasted by how they handled the characters in this series. Perrin's story in particular really, really rubbed me the wrong way. To give him a tragic backstory was, as you pointed out, entirely out of keeping with how Jordan presents this characters in the book. He makes such a point (almost ad nauseum) of saying that the four of them are just simple, naive village kids. Ninaeve is frustrating enough in the books; she is insufferable in the series. I did like Lan, and I liked his chemistry with Rosamund Pike. I thought they were believable as people who knew the ins and outs of each other to the point that they could function like a well-oiled machine, especially in their first fight scene. I stopped watching after the episode where Lan's Warder friend (I can't remember his name) died. I thought they did a great job of casting the main characters; they all had the potential to be wonderful in the roles, but the horrendous script and bad direction caused them to consistently fall short of their book counterparts.
The first season ticked every modern writing trope (mystery box, race swap, strong boss female, emasculated men, etc.) and shared only names of places and characters and none of the story of the books. Shameful. I will not be watching Season 2. Thanks for taking one for the team.
Going through and rewatching your videos as I've had a LOT of horible crap happen lately and your videos legit brighten my day and I just want to say a) Thank you for making these and your good humor b) the evil cloud lied, I ALWAYS love seeing pictures of meals, esp smoked stuff (probably because I know the work that goes into it and the joy of when it comes out right and LOOKS as good as it tastes XD) *goes back to watching ^^
Not at all. It’s amazing that he claimed that. That Bankman-Fried guy is sitting somewhere, amazed at the level of fraud that Rafe was able to perpetrate
16:12 Woah, woah there buddy! DO NOT disrespect honest fanfiction written by actual fans who love a series, but in a lot of cases are inexperienced writers, who nevertheless WANT to get better. THIS is NOT fanfiction because these people are NOT fans!
It used to be that people got excited when they heard their favorite book was getting adapted. Now people just say "please, no. Don't".
It used to be FUN to say "the book was better".
It's a sign of a good reviewer that you can enjoy watching them review something you know nothing about and never will.
Thank you! I tried to have more fun here since this isn't a big name brand
This is what I wanted to share in his live event but by the time I got off work the event ended
@@gregowen2022 Love the way you ROASTED this dumpster-fire!
I HIGHLY recommend the books, though. Awesome story.
@@danagray9709is right, don't watch the show, but give the books a try!
Wife and I read all the books, not perfect but loved them overall. We were foolish enough to actually be excited and cautiously optimistic when we found out it would finally be put on screen...
I can't even put into words the disappointment and genuine disgust we experienced watching this absolute abomination that is season 1 of this show. Blood and bloody ashes it was bad.
It is. It really fucking is. I hated the abomination that was the first season. And what they did to Mat. My favorite character. I watched episode 1 season 2. Dog shit.
@@shaneraine8081 I know man. In the books I didn't start out liking Matt at all, but by the end of the series he was my favorite too!
The show somehow manages to make *everyone* unlikable!
@blfry The Not Perin character. What they've done to him. Perin was never sure of himself. He never had a wife until much, much, later on. And he just had yellow eyes. They didn't actually do anything. It was just him and Alias signature look. They're dream walkers.
That is how I feel. I have read the books since I was a kid in the 90s and I have loved them and reread some of the books many times. I was so hopeful we would get something following GoT's early seasons framework. Instead we got something much worse that shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as GoT. Sadly for all of us long time fans this was our chance to see the series come to life on the screen and they picked the worst possible show runner.
Buckle up, season 2 is doubly shite.
Evil doesn't know how to create....only destroy. These people are sick. Their minds are completely twisted.
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I turned off the first episode when they decided to turn Matts father into a drunken womanizer. So unnecessary, Abel Cauthon and Tam al thor were great fictional fathers.
The forsaken that trained Rand was called Asmodean
Same here. I was half way through reading the first book when I watched the first episode and I couldn't believe what I was watching.
Right? Why the shot at Abel. Why was Perrin married?
If you didn't finish the season, you didn't get to the part where Rand and Perrin fought because they BOTH loved Egwene. What?!
@@gregowen2022 I should have known it would be trash from the very beginning when they acted like it was possible to have a Female Dragon Reborn lol. That destroys the entire premises of the books. The series has tons of extremely powerful women doing amazing things, they don't need to make up extra stuff to make them look better. Moraine and Siuan are together? Thom Merrillin is one of the greatest characters in the wheel of time, why would they erase him?
@@gregowen2022 In regards to Perrin + Rand + Egwene love triangle...
You know how some people say that PWB and Rey are Kathleen Kennedy's "self-inserts" into Star Wars and Indy?
I think Egwene is Rafe Judkins' self-insert into Wheel of Time.
I remember when I first saw the first Avengers movie, I was bewildered that a company finally was able to respect the original content in a successful way. I figured companies would of learned by now..
This is what happens, when you put a certain type of modern woman... or gay man... in charge of running an SF or fantasy show.
The first are feminists, many of whom do NOT like men... and the second tend to be rather effeminate.
Neither of the two understand masculine men (or feminine women), because they AREN'T either of those...
THIS is the reason that the female characters get turned into Mary Sues, while the main characters get "The Last Jedi" treatment... or fat-Thor, etc.
In the case of Amazon's Wheel of Time, we've got an "adaptation" (hate-fiction) produced by a studio run by what appears to be a feminist, and the show itself run by a gay man who self-identifies as a feminist.
Yep the creators pf this show and most modern remakes hate everything the source material represents
@@Nyet-Zdyes It's not about real feminism, it's a bunch of capitalists who have realized that if they brand stuff as feminism they can get away with not putting in any effort.
2:46 No Greg, they believe women are at their best when they act like men, independent of men. You’re sweetly naive to think they would appreciate: “Men and women are at their best when they work together”. That’s far too conservative.
Masculinity gets all the prestige, because films aimed at male audiences define the popular culture. However, men are bad, and they don't deserve the prestige. Women should get the prestige, but femininity doesn't get prestige, masculinity does. Therefore, women (who deserve prestige) must be masculine.
"No man may walk so long in the shadow that he cannot come again to the Light... except a Hollywood feminist writer."
It is really sad what they did with this series.
Wheel of time, Rings of Power, The Witcher and even The Watch. All making everything they can to make us loath these series. Because The Message is better than The Story. And that the producer/writers HATE the original material. I've been burned so many times now.
These TV writers always think they're outsmarting the source material, and they never are. I'm dreading S2. The damane stuff is going to be so baaaaddddddd
Well put, especially in this case
It is wise these days to never expect good adaptation from source material. Too many writers with agendas
I had the exact same thoughts you did on the male/female balance. The women are so powerful in the books that it was unnecessary for them to steal the agency from the men. But they went and did it anyway. Now I’m just waiting 10 or so years for the real adaptation of WoT because the current one is a joke.
Funnily enough when someone asked Rafe Judkins why he did that with the male characters, his only answer was "Because I'm a feminist!!". That tell you everything you need to know.
What's so backwards is these people thinking this stuff is empowering and feministic.
I don't look smart when I outwit a child, I look smart when I'm holding my own with another smart person. The women in the books were powerful because we had perspective of other powerful people to compare them to, and as a team, men and women did even more powerful things.
This dumbing down of the men makes women look bad because it sends the message that they need a handicap to compete
@@gregowen2022women want to be men these days. They don’t realize how it’s way more difficult and less fun to be a man.
this is why A. I very rarely watch shows/movies on books I really enjoy (though it's gotten worse) and B. I really don't care if the writer's strike is ever over considering the schlock they put out.
After seeing what "writers" did to this and Rings of Power I'm starting to think maybe AI scripts wouldn't be such a bad think after all I'm sure if you fed it Jordan's books it'd do a helluv a more faithful adaptation considering how well he described shit down to the last detail actually someone do that shit
The people who made this show are genuinely bad people. There are so many people who are complicit in the failure that is this show. I dont understand how something like this gets through all the levels of approval that this sort of project is subjected to. Even the actors reading the script should have realized what was happening and not participated. Its actually disgusting.
My husband and I tapped out after the first episode. You reminding me what happened in it makes me wonder how we even made it that far. Rand and Egwene getting way too comfy way too fast, the excessive gore and violence, so many elements not making any sense to the theme and essence of the books (you hit all of them, thank you) and then Perrin...*aggravated and ready to smack somebody disappointment noises!!!* I had some interest still in seeing what they did in the rest of the season. Thank you for validating my decision to NOT. I have ZERO interest in the second season but I will surely enjoy hearing you lampoon it😊
The showrunner just broke the lore for no good reason. two rivers isolated for centuries and it looks like modern London or LA. I was pretty pissed that they got such a tall actress for Moiraine (and she just looked too middle aged for it)
I think they really don't care if their shows are good. Just just make what they want. They know that making the Two Rivers racial diverse ruins part of the story. They just don't care.
I am a HUGE FAN of the books and I will NOT be watching the second season.
They changed the magic system, the changed the characters, they changed the heroes journey. This is NOT Jordon's WoT it is (showrunner) Rafe Judkins' WoT.
Matt is my favorite character from the books and what they did to his character is tragic.
The scene with Moiraine and Siuan pissed me off to no end. In my mind's eye I don't see Siuan Sanche getting on her knees for ANYONE!
***Ghostly Whisper Voice***
"You'll never finish all the games in your backlog..."
Comedy gold AND something I can relate to 100%!
If I used a genie's wish to stay alive and healthy until such time as I finished my games back log, I'd probably have to live at least another century!
I realized it I'd need Narutos shadow clone jutsu to finish my backlog
The sad thing is we’ve seen this kind of thing over and over now. Creators for movies and series think they
Know better than the original creators and that they can do the story wayyyyyyh better which they can’t and everyone sees it pretty fast. Instead of creating there own story they destroy and horribly mess up beloved works of great creators most that have passed.
Great rant. And a true one, too.
These mega companies are more in line with just making money (profit), and pandering to what they think “modern audiences” want to see.
They do not care nor focus on making good, long-lasting material (like the original Star Wars 4-6 saga-but not the Ewoks. Never the Ewoks).
Unfortunately Disney, Amazon, and their ilk are at the same time ruining our most beloved stories.
I watched most of the first episode. I turned it off when I saw the Myrddraal. That was all I needed to see to know this was gonna be garbage.
And you didn't even touch on how in the books Egwene is supposed to be quite attractive, yet they of course chose to cast a distractingly unattractive actress to portray her. ..ugh
or that Moiraine is super short.
I could never name a son Perrin. It might become a self-fullfilling prophecy and I'll end up with the most annoying daughter-in-law in history.
I read the books and made my wife watch the show with me. The season 1 Finale was confusing AF. She asked me what was going on and I couldn’t tell her because I was so confused. I agree with you on all your points. For a newcomer like my wife, the story was slow. And for someone who actually read the series, this show was just an awful, awful adaptation. Like healing your favorite song be bastardized by a drank cover band
The books had so many plots and subplots to draw from and they waste a whole season on a ridiculous "who's the dragon" mystery box. All to pretend like the dragon could be male or FEMALE. The women in this world in all the lands _ Two rivers with the women circle, camelyn with the Queen and matriarch, Aiel who went toe to toe with the men not just the sisters of the spear (in the book Rand tried cuddling them til they had ENOUGH and were ready to break their spears on his fool head 😄) then seafolk, seanchan had their empress and daughter of the nine moons, the Amryrilin seat and Aes sedai. The book was packed with so many power dynamics & enough "girl bosses" with legitimate power! Even the chosen/forsaken had some really evil powerful women and they still downplay the dragon & Rand's power.
You're points about Rand standing out was on point. He stood out so much in the books that I wondered why he never questioned his Dad about it and was in such denial when his dad let it slip (quite a traumatic way of finding out).
So many dumbass changes shows they do not understand or appreciate the source material. Just latched unto a beloved story with a built-in fanbase, the same as rings of power & witcher...
People keep comparing this show to fan fiction, but honestly, I think that's insulting to fan fiction.
Decades we waited for a WoT adaptation. Instead we get this. Pathetic. I suffered through season 1, but vowed no more after that brutally terrible and stupid finale.
Hey Greg, I watched your last video that talked about The Wheel of Time a while ago, and it convinced me to actually begin reading the books.
I haven't read a book in years, but I'm currently on Book 4! Thanks for recommending the book series, I'm having a lot of fun reading it :)
Enjoy it, it’s a great ride if you feel it gets slow around book 9 push through it the ending is well worth it.
I hope that you are near to finishing the whole book series by now? 😊❤😊
@@markstott6689 I'm on book six right now, I've been too busy to read much recently. I will definitely finish it at some point but it'll be a minute 😅
@@giocofinito6236 I'm happy to hear that you are still persevering with the books. I hope that you don't give up on them.
I've read books 1-5 seven times and I have read books 6-9 five times. Yet books 10-14 only once each.
I've been listening to books 1-4 by Rosamund Pike on Audible. The first three I've listened to twice. Book 4 I've just listened to for the first time (it was released last week). I love the Rosamund Pike narrations. In The Shadow Rising in chapters 30-31 when Bran tells Perrin about his family's murder, she nearly had me in tears at 56 years old. Reading the same chapters to myself multiple times didn't have the same effect. She voices characters incredibly well.
Unfortunately, I tried the Kramer and Reading audio versions but felt that Kramer especially was better suited to reading Westerns than high fantasy. The American twang didn't seem to fit the situation to my ears. I know Kramer and Reading are strongly favoured by many, just not by me. Perhaps you should give an Audible version a go and see if they fit better with your current circumstances? 😃❤️😃
@2:40 it could have been great for our political climate. The problem is that the people making these shows believe their side is above reproach and are the real good guys.
I am on book eight. I had to take a break for the summer, but I didn't bother with the show mostly because I didn't want to have anything influence how I was picturing the lands and characters in my mind. I was deeply concerned with how they would take a story that is so dense and complex and with so much nuance and so many interesting characters and adapt it. Turns out not well at all and so I will not be bothering with this show in any form even after I finish the series.
the books kinda hit some slow spots around book 8 or 9
Wise words.
This adaptation is right up there with M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender. Yes, it's that bad.
I’d say worse. Even worse than eragon. At least they didn’t actively hate the source material with ‘fans’ claiming the books sucked. There’s some of the fake fans on here now.
If they hate the source material then they aren’t fans
I like the epic climax of the season and a defining moment for the dragon reborn is him realizing Eqwene is a strong independent women. Won't be watching season 2
The most ironic detail is they are trying so hard to be all 'girlpower' and stuff, but yet their first idea on how to give a man the most barebones arc possivle is by giving him a wife and then fridging her.
The Perrin wife thing was insane and let us know right out of the gate that this was not going by the book. And the “Perrin loves Egwene in secret” thing?! What the hell? A stunning amount of made up crap going on
It was so bad, I decided to stop watching and re-read the series. I made to decision to listen to audio, and ended up having to purchase two audio books of The Great Hunt, because one was narrarated by Rosamund Pike and there was no way I was going to listen to her and be reminded of this dismal show. Found the version w/Michael Kramer and Kate...thank goodness.
I don't like that you keep calling this series "fan fiction." We all know that nobody working on the scripts are fans of the books.
In the real world you're not going to have diversity outside of major metropolitan areas in first world countries. Go to small towns or third world countries and you'll find most of the people looking the same because nobody wants to move there and the people inhabiting the town have lived there for generations and have homogenized. This is why in fantasy stories with low technology levels have uniform skin tones, because that's what happens in real life when its not easy to move more than one town over.
We knew what was coming, but still gave it a bash, and I couldn't agree with you more, Greg.
I read all the books again each time a new one came along and as there's a lot of 'em I got to know them quite well, the missus (my better half) has also read them numerous times. I managed to watch the first episode and that was more than enough, my better half walked out with 10 minutes to go.
It's like the producers were given OK Computer by Radiohead, smashed it up with Perrin's axe and ended up with I'm a Barbie Girl by Aqua. The arrogance of Holywoke to think they could improve upon a Master Work is incredible, but not surprising. We won't be watching any more... at all... ever!
I read all the books. Amazons adaptation isn’t even worth watching. The character arcs from the novels are non existent
Huge fan of the books. I hated S1, it was beyond awful, broken and i have no idea how they can even begin to fix it.
Wait until you see season two, when Egwene not only escapes from the Seanchen by heeself, but also saves Rand from Ishamael. Also, Aviendha is a short, mixed race woman with dread locks and they're setting up a romantic relationship between her and Perrin.
When I saw how they designed the Fades to look in season 1 trailer, I knew we were in trouble
Moiraine and Siuan were Pillow Friends in the books. It was just comfort during the hardships of the White Tower training. According to Robert Jordan: "Well, you put fifteen-year-old girls in a tower filled with almost entirely women, with their hormones raging on overdrive, keep them away from men, because you can’t afford to lose any of them, and what do you think is going to happen?" If this show continues, it makes me wonder... how will this impact her relationship with Thom Merrilin?
I'm trying to work on a season review, but I can't bring myself to watch the 5th episode or more. It's just not enjoyable. Has Thom shown back up? I wouldn't be shocked if they wrote him out entirely to prevent Moiraine from having the weakness of being interested in a man.
@@gregowen2022 I haven’t watched the show but is it focusing too much on Moiraine and not enough on Rand al’Thor? Given what other reviewers have said and how the show is marketed, it seems to be the case.
First season: The diversity really doesn’t make sense here.
Second season: Are they going to turn the Seanchan slaves into a women power thing?
This series of books got me through the worst of my depression..i needed to know how it ended. When i heard it was being adapted by AMAZON....i decided im never watching it. Seems like a good decision
You 100% made the right call, especially if you feel a special attachment to the story.
Rafe and Amazon really threw the themes straight out the window and crapped on some fan favorite characters. If you love Mat, this show will make your blood boil
Shame about Flat Tire of Time. Damn shame.
Good review, Greg.
The Wheel of Woke.
My brother was reading the series & recommended it to me. I had just finished reading The Lords of Chaos (Book 6) & was fortunate enough to meet Brandon Sanderson at Dragon*Con before a panel about the upcoming Finale "A Memory of Light".
This is all to say that I love this series & Perrin is my favorite.
So, when I tried to watch the show: I couldn't watch past the point that Perrin was shown to have a wife.
I tried again, but when wifie was killed by Perrin: it was so jarring that I couldn't bring myself to watch any further 😢
12:00 I have a funny Loial comment. In that make up the actor playing Loial looks like a reject from the original 70's play of "THE WIZ!" He looks like the Cowardly lion's deformed, "Special" brother that no one talks about much. Ease on down anyone? 😝
I dare anyone to deny that if you placed that actor in the 70's movie version of "The Wiz" in that make up he would fit right in. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that is the original costume and make up
Calling the WOT Amazon series fan fiction is an insult to fans. No fan of the books would utterly destroy the characters in this diabolical fashion. This series was obviously created by people who hate the books and think they are better than the original author. And to threaten the audience with making the characters worse! As if they could!
Well, it was written by a white male so of course they don’t like it.
Seriously, half of its ‘defenders’ (Amazon bots) claim that Jordan was a bad writer and lament Egwene not being the dragon reborn.
As a lark, I scrolled through all the streamers recent sci-fi and fantasy properties to see who the main characters was or who was the protagonist. It is like 90% female. No lie. Sci fi and fantasy mainly appeals to young boys and guys, and everyone of these shows now have hijacked existing shows to make them all female or only adapt fantasy with a female protagonist. And of those, like Wheel of Time, they actually make them more girl power so the guys literally do nothing and it is all the women who actually do anything, or the guy can only be a villain. Even Marvel's new Avengers are like 80% female. People try to gaslight you saying why u mad bro? when you point any of this out, but it is ridiculously and obviously intentional that they are trying to feminize these genres and take away things boys would like.
They all fail because boys do not identify with female leads and girls do not like sci fi and fantasy. They just don't, but these woke companies do not care. And no, the three women on the Mary Sue does not refute this statement.
Once genre properties got popular, the feminists got jealous.
Wokeism is about Envy and Revenge. How disgusted they are by men, especially white men, shines through. It's so mean and immature that I have no bloody patience for any of their flaming nonsense anymore. None.
AI should replace all these 'word assemblers'. It can't get any worse.
The pendulum is swinging back and the backlash might be harsh.
Rafe Judkins (the show-runner) = The Dark One
Finally someone brave enough to actually call out the flawed racial casting.
That alone earned a sub.
Oh, plenty of people have called it out. They get labeled all these buzz words that have no meaning anymore from over use.
Why get the movie rights to a fantastic book and then change the story? They should call it The Waste of Time!! The costumes and sets are sad and lacking. It's a shame that they ruined this story.
the show runner is a hack.
"I guess you just make a scissor when you can't write a story "😂😂😂
I agree with every single point. This show breaks my heart
I’m so confused, I don’t recall making this video, but it sounds exactly like what I’ve been saying since the travesty that was season 1 was released
Just got into S2E1 last night.
It somehow gets worse
I didn't know that was a book when Amazon kept interrupting my shows to make watch the trailer. After not caring for a long time, they eventually wore me down (I thought if they were announcing that much, it must be crazy good) and i went to look for information of release date. It was more than 2 months, if i remember correctly. I think i managed to watch 1 or 2 episodes. It was boring and it didn't made sense, and to me those are the main repellents a fantasy can have.
solid review, we can all cry together on this vandalism
No lie, I canceled my Amazon Prime subscription after somehow getting through episode 3. Yes, I had been considering it beforehand, but that was the last straw. I read TEotW back in in 1990, then took it and "The Great Hunt" with me to Desert Shield/Storm, so I've been a WOT fan for ages ... and man was I disgusted/enraged with Amazon's "Waste of Time." So this show can just die in a fire.
And you're referring to Asmodean, Greg, who showed up in book 4, "The Shadow Rising" as Rand's teacher.
I will contest the comment about the Seanchan and race; Tuon is very much described as black, which implies Hawkwing's son intermarried with locals since Tuon is the Empress' daughter...
Where to begin on this travesty. The Two Rivers at the beginning of the story is not some multi-cultural destination. Now it does begin to become one in later books, as numerous wars begin breaking out in the known world, and refuges start streaming in, looking for a place of sanctuary. Moving on, aging up the characters present a significant problem. I'm not going to focus on the innocence lost, but more on the society these five are living in. The Two Rivers district is an agrarian society. As children become adults, they are expected to couple up and begin raising the next generation. Yet, even though all the characters are aged up, only Perrin is presented with a wife (although this is a very bad decision). Both Mat and Rand should also have been married by this time, either expecting their first born or already have one. Egwene should have been recognized as a woman for multiple years, and likely would have had a husband as well (whether that was Rand or not, makes no difference). Yet, even though the show has aged up each of the characters, they are still treated as though they are considered children, or at the very least young adults. Why?
And then you have the sex. Throughout the books, Mat is shown as being the least inhibited one when it comes to sex, he is willing to bed as many women as are willing. For the remaining characters, the thought of sex outside of marriage is almost prohibited, especially for Nynaeve. Rand even floated the idea that he and Aviendha had to get married after they had sex. Yet the show has Rand and Egwene banging every other scene it seems like, and Nynaeve has no issue dropping her dress on Lan's floor.
I could go on and on about the changes from the source material, and how the writers have just abandoned any pretense of staying true to book lore, but it doesn't matter anymore. After season 2, the show is just making it up as they go. The show cannot even remain internally consistent on their own writing. We'll have some piece of lore dropped in one episode, only for them to completely ignore it the next. And we have Rafe Judkins significantly altering the story so Rosamund Pike's Moiraine gets more screen time. Now I'm not clear if this something Rafe wanted, or if Rosamund requested, but both claim to be fans of the books, so they both knew going into this that Moiraine is mostly absent for book 2, and completely gone between the end of book 5 and the end of book 12. Based on this, should the show make it the planned 8 seasons, we will never see the redstone doorway ter'angreal, nor the Tower of Ghenjei. Moiraine will be the main character of the show throughout each season, with Egwene being the primary secondary character. Rand, Mat, and Perrin, well they'll continue just being side characters in their own story.
They light a candle with a MATCH in the first episode.
Walk in the Light brother
I quit watching when I had two episodes of season 1 to watch. It’s pure painful to watch. Can’t do it.
The Wheel of Time show could've been better as a cartoon or CG with better writers
It would be an excellent cartoon. Give it the Arcane treatment!
these books meant alot to me, I've read them several times. I'm just going to try to ignore this new season, I can't even laugh at it
FANTASTIC mastery of the textual story--and, you're hitting every major point concerning the ridiculous show Amazon created (is creating). Bravo. I too think this show is doomed to fail in Season 2...Rafe Judkins is destroying one of the greatest stories ever.
15:26 OMG --is that a pacifier? Wtf is wrong with the people directing this show?!!
Thank you so much!
I’m in awe of Rafe’s ability to call himself a big fan with a straight face.
Haha, right? What is with the mouth guard? Is it to keep them from speaking? How’s that going to work when they get captured? Never mind, that probably won’t happen.
I think there would be less hatred for these WOKE shows if they would just admit they were writing these stories for women. Most Japanese media is categorized by who the target audience is. For example: Young children, teen boys, teen girls, adult men, or adult women. There is a reason Asian comics are selling more in America verses the WOKE infested American comic books. I went to Barns N Noble last weekend and the Japanese literature covers four isles that are over 30 feet long. The American/English made comic/literature was a single shelf about.
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EDIT: I think the "Wheel of Time" book series were written for mostly male audiences; but the HBO trash show was remade for women. The TV show has almost nothing in common with the books.
The "Never finishing the video game backlog" whisper really hit me where it hurts
"Yeah, we'd like you to look badass while you do this." "But in the books, aren't they-" "Oh, that reminds me, here's your binkie."
If I'm remembering correctly, the Seanchan are actually pretty diverse as they are a large kingdom that more or less conquered an entire continent. We see many of the Seanchan get promoted to "the blood"(basically get royal titles) and the Empress is explicitly black. But other than that the casting in the show is rather bad.
Yes, the Seanchan are fairly diverse, as they were a native people that interbred with Artur Hawkwing's army... which was also diverse.
I don't remember if the Seanchan Empress was Black... but one of her daughters (a "certain" one) most definitely was.
And yes, much of the rest of the casting is just awful... which is entirely on the people who did the casting, not a critique of the actors or actresses themselves.
Seanchan is massive Place so it makes sense that they’d be diverse and the royal family can and does raise people to the level of 'blood‘ even though they’re not even from the same continent as Hawking. It’s rare but it does happen. Also the royal family isn’t incestuous so different branches of the family could look completely different from other branches. It has been like thirty generation since Hawking sent his ships across the sea
Yes... Hawkwing's already diverse army married with the natives of Seandar.
Something you’ve definitely accomplished here with me…I will NEVER watch this show…but I WILL go check out the 1st book 🤣 you’re changing the world for the better!
NO ONE WANTS TO SEE PICTURES of the meat I smoked? OK, that was just mean Greg, very, very mean! I think I am going to go lay in bed for a few days now and try to get over the depression!
It's a big pile of steaming hot shit. I am not touching it. And it is the sole reason why I refuse everything Amazon.
Are the books more male focused or female focused or both? I want to read something with good male lead and male cast with some good females as well.
In the books, the men are men, and the women are women.
They are balanced between the characters... and the books are so massive... and so many... 14 books, each of which is something like 700 pages or more... that it has time to spend with a lot of different characters, both male and female... and DOES.
There are a LOT of characters in the books...
We've got our 5 main characters, 3M + 2F from Emond's Field...
A lot of important secondary characters, including Lan and Moiraine, Rand's dad, Thom (the bard), Perrin's master blacksmith... a bunch of Aiel...
Then we've got a couple of hundred "tertiary" characters...
The first 3 or so books are largely from a male POV, but overall it's nearly 50-50 in terms of chapters/length
Henry Cavill played a good Lan in the Witcher just as Tissaia was a better Moiraine
Yehhhhhhh I didnt hate the trailer as much as i thought i would - there's a piece of me that dies when Lan bawled his eyes out in s1 that i will never get back. Look, i think we can glean the following - the girls all look at least to be doing things they should be. The boys, they have destroyed. The good news is the kid playing Rand seems to genuinely love the story and is re-reading, hopefully we get some Cavill like rspect for the lore in the future but this season? Will be unrecognisable.
And when he is channeling at 5he end of the book, there is no taint because male and female aysidy cleansed it for him. Showing men and women working together is the greatest
Thanks for the review! I stopped watching after they changed the reasons for Lews Therin making the seal from last desperate attempt before certain defeat, to arrogance and toxic masculinity. For me the taint was always at the core of the story, especially for Rand.
For me I always saw Rand as trying to out wit the prophecy. He doesnt want to die in the final battle so he is trying to get to that 2 step ahead part. thats how I saw it anyway
'Fanfiction season 2'
I know what you're referring to, but also that's too broad 😂
10/10 for the dig at Fourth Wing
It's so sad that it's too broad a term. Whatever happened to respectfully adapting a thing?!
Booktube and bookGram is falling all over themselves about that book. My guess is that publishers loved the SJM phenomenon and are giving it another go? Either way, I'm not reading smut, lol.
@@gregowen2022 Lockwood and Co on Netflix was an amazingly faithful adaptation, but that is the only one I can think of in recent history.
I have personal beef with SJM. I read the start of Throne of Glass, before she was just a smut author, and she did things that make my blood boil. And Fourth Wing is even worse from what I know, being like a marriage between SJM and the infamous My Immortal Harry Potter fic
@@tabithachen2912got halfway thru fourth wing, every single stupid prediction i had about the plot came true, gave up
I guess better late than never.
My gaming buddy was a HUGE fan of the books and was awaiting for the show.
When it was released, he wanted to just teleport to the home base of the show and light them up for ruining a great book series.
Of course that was last year sometime.
Season two? Hell I never scratched the paint job on season one.
I'm still binge watching "Young Sheldon".
I only read the first book but even when i saw the trailer for this my firsy thought was "yea this sh*t isnt what I read"
If there's to be any improvement, it will start to show in season 3. Season 2 was already in production before the crap hit the fan.
Agree with almost everything you said. You forgot how stupid the blight and the eye was. The blight was one of the coolest areas in the books and in the show was just random thickets. Devoting almost an entire episode to Maksim was utterly ludicrous. The women at Tarwin's Gap is almost show killing. The entire point of the books is that Rand is such a powerful channeler that he can stand against a good. But the show has like 4 untrained non Aes-Sedai kill 10,000 trollocs.
Elyas was cast for the show. I think Season 2 looks like it will be closer to the books but one of the WoT bloggers said it's even farther away than Book 1.
I will still watch.
HOllyweird is filled with Darkfriends, lead by Myrdalls behind the scenes.
My thoughts on wheel of Time season 1...I wish I could go back in time and stop myself from reading the books so I would never know how disappointing the TV show is.
I knew it was gonna be bad when I saw the casting for it.
I'm honestly not familiar with the source material but it definitely won't like I'm not missing anything.
if ya read it it will make you wanna thump someone really hard
11:40 Mark. Yes. Thank you. I too am not upset when shows take things out for the sake of time. Or change a couple of small things to make things flow a little better. However, what I have a major problem with is out right leaving stuff out and then putting entirely different things in their place. Like Leaving out Mordeth and Elyas, but doing an ENTIRE EPISODE surrounded around Logain who is barely a foot note until book 6. Even then he doesn't have a big part until like book 7 and 8.
Rafe said that the mouth guard/pacifier things on the damane is symbolic of "how women have been gagged and silenced" for history. At least he actually admitted to having an agenda to push feminism through the show.
Still laying it on thick enough to gag a grolm, though.
I didn't even bother... This was a real fan fiction alternate spin of the wheel by own admission of the creators. SO I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER.
Rand was always an interesting character, he's mental fragility combined with the power of destroy a world with seems to love mess with him alwas makes it a pretty interesting character. Matrim Cauthon, I didn't like it very much through the first half of the novel's (too whine) but everything changed since a little before Ebu Dar, because despite the pretty f-boy title all women gives him, he became and unleashed certified bad azz. Perrin was my favorite but I started to prefer Mat when he separates from his wife Faile Bashere. I would like to add, Rand's harem is the Japanese definition of harem when the MC has no voice of vote and were the women wich decides who's in the harem 😂😂.
Thank you for the video
I'll split my comments into two.
For this one, you read "saga of the forgotten warrior" by Larry Correia? I've loved it so far and part of what I liked is how book one is character intros and world building. Book two on seems to be the quest & adventure proper.
It's definitely a series that would be amazing to adapt but I dread such a thing because you know they'll somehow miss the point.
Rafe hates Robert Jordan. He changed everything for the worst and then wastes precious screen time on his own added trash.
I've read the first three books of The Wheel of Time, and I was devasted by how they handled the characters in this series. Perrin's story in particular really, really rubbed me the wrong way. To give him a tragic backstory was, as you pointed out, entirely out of keeping with how Jordan presents this characters in the book. He makes such a point (almost ad nauseum) of saying that the four of them are just simple, naive village kids. Ninaeve is frustrating enough in the books; she is insufferable in the series. I did like Lan, and I liked his chemistry with Rosamund Pike. I thought they were believable as people who knew the ins and outs of each other to the point that they could function like a well-oiled machine, especially in their first fight scene. I stopped watching after the episode where Lan's Warder friend (I can't remember his name) died. I thought they did a great job of casting the main characters; they all had the potential to be wonderful in the roles, but the horrendous script and bad direction caused them to consistently fall short of their book counterparts.
Things get draggy in books 8,9,10 not 5,6,7... FOH and LOC are still amazing
The first season ticked every modern writing trope (mystery box, race swap, strong boss female, emasculated men, etc.) and shared only names of places and characters and none of the story of the books. Shameful. I will not be watching Season 2. Thanks for taking one for the team.
Going through and rewatching your videos as I've had a LOT of horible crap happen lately and your videos legit brighten my day and I just want to say
a) Thank you for making these and your good humor
b) the evil cloud lied, I ALWAYS love seeing pictures of meals, esp smoked stuff (probably because I know the work that goes into it and the joy of when it comes out right and LOOKS as good as it tastes XD)
*goes back to watching ^^
I watched a couple of season 1 then got totally turned off by a script that totally lost the book. No interest in season 2.
The first season is definitive proof that Rafe is not a fan of the books.
Not at all. It’s amazing that he claimed that. That Bankman-Fried guy is sitting somewhere, amazed at the level of fraud that Rafe was able to perpetrate
16:12
Woah, woah there buddy!
DO NOT disrespect honest fanfiction written by actual fans who love a series, but in a lot of cases are inexperienced writers, who nevertheless WANT to get better.
THIS is NOT fanfiction because these people are NOT fans!
Hahahaha, very true. Rafe should give out acting classes, the way he was able to call himself a big fan with a straight face