How to Achieve Peace in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
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- The Michael Shermer Show # 437
A conversation with Einat Wilf, former member of the Israeli Parliament, on how to resolve the conflict between Palestine and Israel.
Einat Wilf holds a PhD in Political Science from the University of Cambridge. She is the author of six books, including The War of Return.
Shermer and Wilf discuss:
• Karim Khan, prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) accused Israeli and Hamas leaders of war crimes and called for a cease-fire by Israel in Gaza, particularly in Rafah.
• Accusations of genocide, induced famine, and war crimes against Netanyahu.
• After 7 months of fighting why has the IDF been unable to defeat Hamas?
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I love Michael Shermer's interviews. He is rare among interviewers, almost never interrupting his guests. Also, he always adds nuggets of wisdom which enriches the blog. Thank you Michael.
Thanks for listening
As an Israeli who was brought up on beliving peace between us and the Palestinians Einat expresses so well how I feel.
I wanted to belive even when peace groups and meetings from my school didn't work from the Palestinian side, I wanted to belive even after my reletives were injured in 2 terror attacks of Hamas, but after October 7th I got the massage, I started listening to what they say in arabic. She is 100% right.
People need to sort out the hatred in their minds first without that there will never be peace…and however much hate the Israelis have, the Palestinians are off the scale in their hatred…coming from their prophet.
Politicians in the West also want to believe that Palestinians just want their freedom 😢, the bomb is ticking though....
Brilliantly articulated, with the only reservation, that when the focus is on Israel only, one may miss that similar dynamics are already in high gear in the US and Europe. People that were helped and welcomed are already harboring grievances against and rejection of their hosts. I am not as optimistic as Dr. Wilf, I think the problem is far greater, so great that most people just keep their eyes shut.
Its a quandry that Jewish lobby faces. They supported DEI because it favours everyone, but now that DEI populations see the Jewish unfairness they are inclined against j- power hence now the j-lobby is against DEI
Einat
You should run for president
As an Arab committed to peace, I have found this conversatiom quite remarkable. Thank you for explaining how antisemitism actually manifests and for indicating a path to peace through transformation rather than force. Respect to you both Michael and Einat.
I wish there were more people like you within the Arab world. The world has so much to offer so let's not waist our time spreading hatred but instead prompt peace and love between people and nations.
@@BirdOf1951 I wish there were more people like me in the Arab world too. We are still small in numbers, but we are increasing! It will take more education and communication to transform our world. Peace is possible.
@@Yasnoor1 we share this dream. Just imagine what a world this could be.
@@BirdOf1951 a peaceful middle east would be the best place on earth
Imagine US didn’t veto peace for once UN resolution was enforced for once.
Imagine the world putting the colonial genocide leaders in their place.
She's amazing. I can't believe how much I've learned in the space of 100 minutes.
Einat youre amazing! Unrivaled clarity.
As always, Einat never misses. So clear and concise it’s amazing.
In full disclosure, I am an unapologetic American political conservative and Gentile Zionist. I am a vocal advocate for Israel and the Jewish people inside and outside of Israel.
I'm embarrassed to admit that before watching this remarkably compelling interview with the stellar Einat Wilf, I had never heard of her! As an avid amateur scholar of the strategic history of the Middle East and a US Naval War College Graduate and retired combat veteran, it is inexplicable that I've just now discovered her. My bad.
As far as domestic politics are concerned, she and I could not be much farther apart, but more importantly we are in complete agreement on her views about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, its origins, its modern history, its current status, and potential resolution.
On the other hand, we are polar opposites on domestic politics in Israel, and probably by inference, America too. Again, unapologetically, I am a huge fan of Benjamin Netanyahu and his economic and political philosophy. In my view, and clearly not in Einat's, he is the most effective and positively consequential politician and Prime Minister in Israel's history, with the possible exceptions of David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir. I completely agree with Netanyahu's deeply controversial position that Israel's judicial system desperately needs to be reformed for the government to be democratically manageable. The American Founders wisely created our three independent branches of government with a clearly defined system of checks and balances to prevent any one of them from becoming too powerful. You cannot effectively govern when the unelected judicial branch of goverment transforms itself into a second and supreme legislative body as has happened in Israel, regardless of whether that second legislature acts in accordance with one's personal ideological agenda or not. I acknowledge that Einat would vehemently disagree with my position.
I am however puzzled by the fact that Einat was able to abandon her acknowledged leftwing position about land for peace and a two state solution, without a concomitant shift in her socialist domestic ideology. Regardless, there is no question that she and I could agree to disagree without being disagreeable on domestic politics while being in total solidarity about the correct course for Israel to follow on the vastly more important question of Israel's self defense and future national security policy. That is an existential necessity! We can argue about politics later after relative peace returns.
She is brilliant but only human, and as a European I can vouch that socialism is running deep, it's a secular religion, no amount of evidence can sway any meaningful minority of people in this area from attributing godly motivations and intentions(and thus obligations) to the state, or worse the EU institutions.
My peeve with Dr. Wilf, is that, when she is going to be heard, if at all, in any significant numbers, her limited message may detract from the fact that the intolerance to people in their land started in Israel, but today is not restricted to it. What starts with the Jews doesn't end with them.
See her speech to the UN about UNWRA
can you please recommend Einat to talk to other podcasters, that are your friends with? I think a lot more people need to hear this message
We dont want more propaganda please, if you want to support her just buy her book
@@practice4523 Frankly, I much prefer her propaganda to the propaganda coming out of Iran and Qatar. What Einat says makes sense for a secular-minded person who wants peace. Much more logical than the Islamist/ leftist garbage.
Yes! This is critically important
@@practice4523what's the difference between what you define as propaganda and truthful information? Her message is hard to hear BUT affects the entire world. It's a horrible truth having to accept the active hate towards global Jewry, all Christians and the entire West BUT buying her book for support is just the beginning.
@@luckieolp i have listened to her many times and the only truthful thing she said was that you guys are asking too much of the plstns, claiming that your God gave you their houses was just "too much to ask"
Excellent conversation with an extremely knowledgeable, intelligent and educated guest who says it like it is.
Fantastic interview, thank you
Thank you from Sweden. Einats view has been my view for decades. My father visited Israel days before the war in 1967 and his and my view was the same as Einats already then. PLO and Hamas has declared where they stand from the beginning and you only do not see it if you do not want to see it. Thenk you for a great interview!
thanks for great episode
What a good speaker, you should be doing more press.
She knows what she is talking about. Too bad she is ignored by the mainstream media.
What a powerhouse Einat is! Thanks for facilitating such an incredible talk, Michael.
The Jewish people are entitled to self-determination, just like the Armenians, Scots and the Irish.
I really love that this beautiful speech specifically after 1:17 which Ms Einat wif criticize abrahamic religions system and discussed the way of interpretation is important and it can turn the page completely.
As an Iranian atheist on the behalf of vast majority of Iranian people I would say we love Israeli people and would like to start our relationship even better than before 1979.
The problem is the radical and terrorist islamist regime in Iran which occupied Iran for more than 44 years and is the enemy of Iranians, Israelis, and many other people in the world.
This anti human regime also is an enemy with huge culture and civilization of Iran especially before Islam, namely Persian empire, Zarathustrianism,etc.
I wish the people of Iran and Israel would start their relationship soon after the collapse of this anti-human regime. This time has come to Cyrus the Great accords.❤
Long live Iran
Long live Israel
Wow! Einat is an Israeli ROCKSTAR! Her historical explanation of the origins of the current anti-Israel movement, the Palestinian problem, and of Antisemitism is the most persuasive one that I've heard to date. In the widespread internet discussions and presentations searching for explanations of the Israeli security failure of October 7th, hers is the most cogent and believable, actually profound, and her experience in military intelligence gives it the imprimatur of authority.
I have a relatively minor bone to pick with her. In her explanation of one source of minority American anti-Israel feeling she cites the Corey Bush example of blaming US foreign aid to Israel for the failure of Congress to pass "universal healthcare" legislation. Parenthetically she slipped in her personal view that US failure to have "universal healthcare" was an "abomination". That reveals her personal domestic political orientation as a socialist. Israel has a domestic history of being strongly socialist. Jewish refugees from the USSR, among others, brought with them a bias toward socialist policies in a number of governance realms, not the least of which was big government, including "universal healthcare". It can be argued that the institution of socialism in the history of Israel demonstrably held the country back economically and socially until Benjamin Netanyahu, as Finance Minister in a Likud-led government, introduced sweeping free market economic reforms that turned Israel into a business powerhouse on the world stage, and one of the most affluent per capita societies on earth. Later Einat undercuts her socialist views by linking "Utopianism" to Antisemitism within the current context of global opposition to Israel. Universal healthcare is a significant element of the Utopian ideal. My view is that socialism is in fact "an abomination", and that there are many examples in the world today of countries which have adopted a goverment-run universal healthcare model which has led to an actual failure to deliver quality healthcare to their citizens. I give you the examples of Britain, Canada, Cuba, and a host of others where rationing is rampant, delays in treatment endemic, and the care ultimately delivered being subpar in comparison to more free market medical systems like that in the United States. As I said, in the big scheme of things related to geopolitical events in the Middle East at the moment, this is a small bone to pick within the context of Einat's otherwise brilliant and compelling views. I have immense respect and admiration for this remarkable woman, and I hope that this outstanding interview by Michael Shermer receives the widest possible dissemination.
Thank you for sharing Einat Wilf with the world Michael Shermer. A riveting, tough & practical exploration of the necessary ideological & cultural transformation needed to achieve true peace. Einat clearly & succinctly explains that what is needed is a complete transformation of Arab, Muslim & Palestinian understanding that Jewish self-determination is compatible with a proud Arab identity. Historically & to this day, Palestinians regard living next to a Jewish state as a mark of shame. Their ethos has been clearly repeated for decades - from water to water means a single Arab state that must replace Israel.
The required transformation for peace will entail viewing two states as a mark of honour. As she says, you can’t pay people to change their values, they have to want to go through this transformation, aided by moderate & modern Arab & Muslim countries & people. The data shows that all offers of a two state solution to date have been rejected by the Palestinians. Their public message is consistent, and the West has not yet taken their stated ideology seriously. We’ve been “Westplaining” by saying they don’t really mean what they say.
This interview should be a must see in the UN. Thank you both.❤️❤️❤️
Some are of the conviction that the UN is just misguided and a bit of truth will dissipate the fog from it's eyes. Others watched it long enough to understand that its motivational structures are such as to create and support such rot. No flowers are going to bloom in the UN it wasn't designed for that.
Great conversation. Thank you.
Einat Wilf is pretty awesome. Her recent videos about UNRWA are fascinating and very eye opening.
Brilliant! Thank you! So many must hear it more than once to understand the current reality and the tasks at hand to have any impact!
Excellent intellect multiplied by grace and charisma she should make great president for Israel ore USA
i wish Einat would read this (i know she’s unlikely to…). But every time i listen to her speak - she’s utterly brilliant. And the interviewer has also done a fine job here as well.
She's mossad, she's very good at propaganda
@@practice4523 You’re probably right. The Mossad does have a reputation for recruiting only the very best.
@@peretzo well okt7 proved otherwise
@@practice4523 You are correct. Israel displayed a miserable intelligence failure on Oct7. But you are also making Dr. Wilf’s point for her: Palestinians are a highly capable people. They are NOT a charity basket case. They just have a truly sick culture; completely mobilized to the destruction of a neighboring state. If they succeed (as they have, on 10/7) - it’s a token of their exceptional capabilities. They should also take some responsibility for their abject poverty, misery and suffering. Geniuses can also be sick and suicidal. That’s the story of the Palestinian people.
59:54 Norway recognizing Palestine as a State is "Schrödinger's State" ?? Schrödinger's Cat is a famous thought experiment that demonstrates the idea in quantum physics that tiny particles can be in two states at once until they're observed. It asks you to imagine a cat in a box with a mechanism that might kill it. Until you look inside, the cat is both alive and dead at the same time.
Now the Norwegians have to convince the Palestinian to "want a state" and not to "no want a state for Jews".
@@tatonemio6388 They specified they didn´t want a two-state solution, during current circumstances. It was a goal to work towards. Most of the, if not all of the european states that recognized Palestine as a state had similair reservations.
I've found you the Palestinian who unequivocally and publicly declares not only his agreement with Einat's principles of "constructive specificity" in resolving the key issues that have sustained the Arab claims of "return" but who is also unapologetically alligned with the morality of the Jewish state in its ancestral homeland. He is Mosab Yousef, the son of a cofounder of Hamas. His is the most powerful voice in the world today for Israel's sovereignty and flourishing right where it exists today. I realize that Mosab is just one advocate for reason and truth, but he speaks with the voice of the lion. I'm sure that Einat and Michael are well aware of Mosab and his very courageous and public campaign, but I just thought it important to make it known to Michael's audience.
You mean the guy who sold out his own people and supports the genosyd of his own family... i dont think he's "all there"
He is a lion, a real life super hero. Also morally and cognitively.
So many less evolved people believe morality is doing whatever the rest of "your people" are doing. No right or wrong, just sheep mentality, be it anti-Israelis or anti-Ukrainians.
They choose to focus on the work of destroying others rather than the hard work of building themselves up, as Einat notes.
Yes he is amazing and saw it from the inside and to the reply be
Ow if selling out a people who are violent and act immorally, hurting themselves first and then so many others, yes it’s best to sell out your own people. Keeping the company of fools tends to make oneself a fool. Mosab put his own life on the line to help save many lives and killed no one. He is a rare and admiral being.
@@practice4523 You mean the people that literally and metaphorically raped him, turned their back on him, betrayed him, and then tried to kill him? It's no wonder he turned on their scumbag jihadist society. He prevented many suicide bombings and saved a lot of lives. And stop using the word genocide like you know what it means.
I admire this woman!!!! so clever, so sharp, so.......wow
It feels like the Roman Empire never ended
Trust me Rome ended, if it was around there would be no Izrl. They were the ones who go rid of it remember
Here’s example of another cause and affect reversal.
The blockade on Gaza was imposed after Hamas was voted into power but we keep hearing the Gazans are resisting because it’s an “open air prison”.
SMH
Einat Wilf is an excellent speaker and very factual.
Weapons behind the teddybear. People will skipp over this. The IDF knows to look in the childrens rooms first
This is one of your best, Michael!
It is only when we shed our ideologies that humanity becomes united. It is our disparate beliefs and ideologies about self and other that fuels separation, fear, disparagement of others and war. Once we recognize the culprit within ourselves humanity begins to evolve by recognizing the dignity within all human beings and all creation.
How do we (billions of people) get from here to there?
Bitcoin
On a scale of billions. I have no idea, on a scale of individuals, it’s as simple as asking the questions of people “what music do they like”, “do they prefer coke to Diet Coke”. Really. Questions that have individual answers that see past the social identities and the ideologies the identities collectively create.
@@jps0117 Ask AI and it will give you a remarkably clear path forward.
I am all for unity, but this goal of having all of humanity under one umbrella, is not for humans, we are neither bees nor ants, and this utopian idea caused and causes a lot of misery. Diversity is our strength, we thrive in competition, yet sometimes there appear some aberrations, and we shouldn't shy away from quenching them when they appear. Unfortunately, that's a lesson the new generation has forgotten.
i love Shermer's work and read many of his books, and my poistion on the current conflict is that whatever happens ot Hammas is a result of that horrific first murder of innocent Israelis, but this came across to me (an atheist) as two Jewish people sayng "we jews have done nothing wrong, ever, ever, ever. You are all against us for no reason at a, blah, blah, blahll Yeah, right."
FYI Einat Wilf is atheist like many Jews.
Obviously you are not familiar with Jewish typical social environments: they mostly talk about the things they do wrong, read the Bible....
Einat I adore you. I learn so much. You are genuine and fierce. Thank you, I appreciate your commitment to maintain accuracy and integrity.
Interesting perspective.
When do we get to the "how to achieve peace" part of the interview? I'm 50 minutes in...
Whatever she says ..I’m only a few minutes in but respect her enormously from what I heard her say in other interviews and to the UN ….but you can only achieve peace when people know and want to get rid of the hate in their minds…this requires education and a good ethical leader, an understanding of cause and effect and how much more beautiful life can be if you take responsibility for the hatred in your mind, without blame and then follow the hard but amazingly liberating path to eternal peace within.
I trust you finished listening to the discussion and found that it's not as simple as a.cookie recipe
@@enshrinehd Not yet. I plan to. My comment was about how Michael titles these videos. The first hour doesn't cover the subject indicated by the title.
@@stephenmcgrail7661 I know what you mean. I keep forgetting about the hook. Great talk though
I would love to see Eina interviewed by Candace Owens and Kim Iverson, so she could set them straight on the reality of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
👏👏👏
The name of this channel is called "skeptic." I thought you would talk about aliens, psychic phenomenon, science and science denial and most importantly: "Evidence." So where is the scientific Skepticism?
Einat Wilf is absolutely brilliant
Investing in the security and well-being of nations like Ukraine and Israel, and extending support to the Iranian people like smart sanctions on Oil exports of Islamic Republic but letting Iranians make money online through services, is crucial because our populations share a common wealth of talents, technologies, and values that foster economic growth, human rights, and fundamental freedoms. This understanding is lost on extremist ideologies like fascism, Marxism, and jihadism, which often rely on zero-sum thinking. For evidence, consider the arguments presented in 'Enlightenment Now' by Steven Pinker. Those who disagree are invited to engage in a constructive debate at Atheist Republic, where we can explore the merits of liberal values and the flaws in authoritarian models. Embracing liberalism allows for mutually beneficial outcomes, whereas extremist ideologies often require someone to lose in order for them to gain.
Bravo Mr. Shermer. This is the most important interview of our time.
People can't get in and out freely. And they get taxed.
The taxes collected from Palestinians in West Bank go to P.A.
P.A. also release passports in order to travel internationally.
No, terrorists from anywhere in world are not allowed to travel anywhere in the world.
I like her voice. She is so jewish
brilliant - should be heard by all - maybe some people would wake up
Or Gabor Mate into this discussion
Gabor Mate is sadly deluded and anyone taking drugs of any kind to try and resolve their issues and advocate to others, is deluded, however well meaning he appears to be. He doesn’t understand the long term harm of taking drugs..especially to the mind and when you advocate harmful stuff to others, you harm yourself even more.
I heard you both and am deeply disappointed in how you, Michael failed to ask challenging questions and allowed this not be a conversation but a diatribe about how violent Palestinian people are. How about bringing Noam Chomsky of I Pappe into a conversation.
I am pessimistic on the reinterpretation of islam. Bin salman may well be an atheist. He does not act muslim. The text is clear
No indigenous people of any land ever greeted European colonisers with love as they cane to take their land. Why should Palestinians be different then native Americans, Australian aboriginals etc
You live in a delusional fantasy.
People have been migrating for thousands of years. The European Colonialism was driven by military/aristocratic powers to enrich themselves not emigration or the desire to start a new independent state.
Israel was born out of the people self-determination right.
The Palestinians instead wanted only to join another Arab/Muslim theocracy/monarchy...until the indigenous people returned. Ouch!
So colonization has nothing to do with the state of Israel. There was nothing to colonize or exploit in Palestine when Jews started to return to their original land on which they historically emerged as Jewish people.
Get an education and get over yourself.
True, historically, under Islam Jews are the protected class, pay jizya and not to have political influence other than being ministers or physician to Sultans and not to be at the forefront of war either offensive or defensive. In the wake of WW2 with the background of Nationalism globally, many nation emerged as colonial power winding down, some hurriedly, leaving power vacuum which get filled up by the most organised and most powerful. Zionism organised nationalistic Jews despite rejection from traditional Jews who accept diaspora as God chosen path. Palestinian movement is a counter nationalistic movement, which till now still relevant and becoming more so with global support beyond Islamic sphere. Islamic sphere seems to be sitting on the sidelines even becoming defensive allies with many neighboring Arab countries having defensive pacts coordinated by US. However, such pact is not popular, and most Islamic sphere are not yet fully triggered and in my view, the main trigger is if Al Quds is taken over by those who want to build a temple on it's ruins. Let's hope people with sensibility will opt for peaceful solution by way of UN,ICC and ICJ solutions.
3:02 Good, so that means we are ready.
Good talk
I wondering how we can reduce the number of Americans who suffer from the delusion that they have some stake in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and help them return to doing what they know how to do best. Shutting up and watching bad shows on Netflix while they grow wider. Saving such conversations for intelligent, well-informed folks like Michael Shermer and company😄
The gods show their love for humans through their mercy. The mercy of the gods may be represented by killing humans for a good reason that is in the interest of humans, and humans demonstrate their love for the gods by offering sacrifices to the gods, which include human sacrifices (it is similar to platonic love).
It’s a sacred art.
Shermer's critical thinking faculties are absent in many political discussions. Though relatively conservative, he has no problem with Zionism as a social engineering project. Indeed, he's made affirmative action style arguments for Israel, claiming there are a bunch of Muslim countries, so why not a Jewish country. His guest observes there are seven million Jews in the Middle East surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs. It's a familiar talking point, so let's think about why it is there is a teeny-tiny ethnostate here. Could it be because of the social engineering and mass-migration patterns that classical liberals generally dislike? Could it be that Arabs had been living in the area for a long, long time, while Jews were scattered across the Middle East and Europe? When they talk about the "right" of a sovereign Jewish state to exist, does Shermer pause to think if governments really do have the right to exist? Or, maybe, just maybe, people have a right to self-determination. When talking about the illegal occupation of the West Bank, does it occur to Shermer that "settlements" are essentially government-subsidized segregated housing?
Everything they had to.know on attacking israel was in their islamic political doctrines including how to deal with the jews. All in the quran,sharia and the sunna
Reinterpreting Islam to support Israel (re: Abraham accords ) is reminiscent of the 1962 papal reinterpretation of Christianity to allow conceptualizing a common Judeo Christian tradition. That could take a while ….
I cant find the quote that Cory Bush is supposed to have said about universal health care. I can find a criticism of sending funds to a wealthy foreign nation while services in the usa are floundering. These are completely different
from: "U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts"
"nearly all U.S. aid today goes to support Israel’s military,"
"Most of the aid-approximately $3.3 billion a year-is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services. "
The second country in term of economic help is Egypt!
A quick Google search turned up this: “My colleagues are rushing to give the Israeli military another billion dollars to fund apartheid, meanwhile our education system, our health care system, our housing system all remain underfunded.”
@@YogaladyToronto
Check the St. Louis Jewish organizations, clergy pen open letter to Rep. Cori Bush
"We are writing to express our anger and concern with Rep. Cori Bush’s communication about the recent events in Israel and Gaza. Numerous times over the last 23 days, we have felt her words to be insensitive, incorrect, and fanning the flames of antisemitism."
The 60,000 Jewish members of the St. Louis community deserve an apology for her lack of decency, disregard for history, and for intentionally fueling antisemitism and hatred
Her statement not only fails to advance peace, but it incites anger and the potential of further violence toward the Jewish community.
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Wow all that education and this woman is disconnected.
Bring some counterarguments not baseless and biased opinions if you can.
@@tatonemio6388 Disconnected from what? Wish many more people were as connected as she is.
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FYI You replied to me not to the original poster
The Russians also gave the world palestinians in june of 1964
Jewish Bible is at the base of our western culture not koran.
Do you even know what the word Palestine means? If the Palestinians knew what that meant, they wouldn't call themselves that.
Pray!!! Pray for Peace
Who did she meet??? Hamza? Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib? Loay Alsharif? (They have been friends quite a long time have they not?)…
Love israel and the israeli people. The lies and the denial is disgusting . Moscow taught hamas well
Please try to get a guest like Peter Beinart and have him give his answers to the things you considered to be perfectly answered for you here. I truly want to understand, and this interview seemed too one sided. Even if it is all correct, how can we know when nothing was questioned?
Shermer, who admitted not being informed about the Israel/Palestine conflict, only has Israeli cheerleaders on his show.
How about Mustafa Barghouti?
In fact, nothing has changed for thousands of years. Worshiping the gods and offering sacrifices is not a new phenomenon. Humans blessed as slaves. Showing absolute submission and showing loyalty and devotion to the hidden gods through worshiping the sacred gods is a very ancient human legacy (slavery is the gift of the gods to humans). Yes, the gods have shown their mercy and blessings to humans through slavery (enslavement of mankind ).
Never forget the last one!
the people of the holy gods came back riding the back of their bull , they prepare for Armageddon !
It just doesn't make sense for anyone to believe Israel or the Jews as a people are going away. The Palestinians need to take this into account. Also, it should be possible to not like everything the Israeli government has done, but still believe Israel has a right to exist as a country. Heck, I certainly don't like everything the US government has ever done!
There are fallacies and misunderstandings! Most of the population of North Africa are not Arabs, nor is a large portion of the population of the Mesopotamia region. They are described as Arabs because of the Arabic language that spread due to the Islamic religion, and basically the Arabic language is a mixture of several languages. In fact, the history of the Jews in the region dates back to before the spread of the Arabic language! Also, Judaism is a religion, not a race (can you understand?!), and those who are described as Arabs because of the Arabic language are the ones who protected the Jews over thousands of years. The Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula and some residents of the Mesopotamian region are brothers of the Jews (Judaism is a religion, not a race), and the Semites include Jews and Arabs (the Semites are a race and have nothing to do with religion!). What is promoted in the media is caused by ignorance and backwardness! The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip may be more Semitic than those who claim to be Semitic because of their embrace of the Jewish religion!
Loool
Now go study where and why the term “Anti-Semite” was coined and for what purposes
Anti-semite ! can’t you comprehend?! Judaism is a religion not a race, Converting to Judaism will not make you a Semitic race! Can’t you comprehend?! Jews and Arabs have the same origin but separated by religions.
So-called Anti-semite is a term invented by some Zionists to terrorise other (the people of gods are superior to humans).
Anti-semite ! can’t you comprehend?! Judaism is a religion not a race, Converting to Judaism will not make you a Semitic race! Can’t you comprehend?! Jews and Arabs have the same origin but separated by religions.
So-called Anti-semite is a term invented by some Zionists to terrorise other (the people of gods are superior to humans).
@@yanivreif7379 Anti-semite ! can’t you comprehend?! Judaism is a religion not a race, Converting to Judaism will not make you a Semitic race! Can’t you comprehend?! Jews and Arabs have the same origin but separated by religions.
So-called Anti-semite is a term invented by some Zionists to terrorise other (the people of gods are superior to humans).
Anti-semite ! can’t you comprehend?! Judaism is a religion not a race, Converting to Judaism will not make you a Semitic race! Can’t you comprehend?! Jews and Arabs have the same origin but separated by religions.
So-called Anti-semite is a term invented by some Zionists to terrorise other (the people of gods are superior to humans).
Paying for sex is not a good example. We are all willing to pay and be bought there. The whole biological strategy is opportunistic
she is wow
The important question is how they were able to carry all these hatreds and grudges for thousands of years?! nations disappeared for several reasons during that period! How were they able to carry all these grudges and hatred from one generation to another over thousands of years?! It is religion, no doubt about it (the people of the holy gods came back riding the back of their bull , they prepare for Armageddon ) !
Great speaker. Mostly agree with her. But she has an annoying voice, just like the lady who spoke on the topic of woke archeology
Thank you for bringing a voice of reason within a sea of insanity.
You were citizen of Israel thousands of years ago. But Palestinians are not!!! Interesting
All humans should offer sacrifices to the sacred gods to build the Kingdom of Gods, and the bull must enforce them to make sacrifices by issuing international legislation and laws that require all humans to make sacrifices. Sacred, secret religious knowledge must be disseminated among the general public so that confusion does not occur as is currently happening (humans must know that they are inferior in front of the holiness of the people of the gods).
Earbud falls out at 1:16:29
What arabs say privately is worthless?! I guess she does not mean what arabs say to westen youth vs what they say amongst the ummah
the people of the holy gods came back riding the back of their bull , they prepare for Armageddon !
1:31:55
Ok, but settlement building is not making anything better. Obviously stop that asap..
On the contrary. Why are settlements such a problem? Because they are only made possible by Jewish sovereignty which in the Palestinian view is a crime against nature. Preventing settlements reinforces and supports that view.
@@zevspitz8925 You really don't think new settlements in 2024 make things worse?
@@sulljoh1 Well, removing settlements in Gaza didn't make things better. In fact, it's a lot worse than the situation in the West Bank, and always was. There has not been a single year, since Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005, that Israel didn't suffer from rocket fire from Gaza.
Maybe the settlements in the West Bank are preventing the West Bank from becoming another Gaza.
@@sulljoh1 Define worse.
Is each new or legalized settlement an affront to the Palestinian sense of injustice? Absolutely.
But do we want to pander to the underlying antisemitism that fuels said sense of injustice?
Moreover, each new settlement reinforces the idea that Israel is here to stay and isn't a pushover, which in turn would bring Palestinians to the negotiating table instead of using violence. Palestinian thinking is "if we make the Jews miserable enough, they'll go elsewhere."
Who the hell are you telling me what to do in my own land?! Jews are the only ones to choose what to do in Jodea and Samaria.
Its all so sad
Martin Luther was bad (his nickname among the Jews was Loh-Tahor- means impure in Hebrew), but blood libels just randomly grew out of a small town parish in Sussex, England, in the 13th century, several hundreds of years before Luther was born! It means that it was natural, minor, organic mutation from the vulgar structure of Christian religious tradition! Know your history!
I heard that the same way you did and when I went back to hear it again I realized that wasn't what she meant, she just jumped from one thought to the next mid-sentence
There are cities in North Africa whose population is mostly of Greek and Roman origin, as well as some tribes in Afghanistan... etc. Apes have a wrong concept about human history!
what a logical explanation to the conflict, I wish politicians would listen to this
What is wilf?
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A liar.
@@templa946 The evidence to support your highly valued opinion, surely coming any second now..
@@xtrajently She's a Zionist extremist that spouts the same old, endlessly debunked, Hasbara talking points. There's not a word that comes out of her mouth that is a truth.
@@xtrajently She's an extremist Zionist shill, regurgitating all the usual & endlessly debunked Hasbara talking points. She's a thoroughly dishonest actor.
I thought u were skeptic, but this interview demonstrated otherwise. There were so many inconsistencies and misinformation in this video that its crazy... Your listeners want to hear the facts and evidence, not the propaganda that she is spewing. Very disappointed. Hopefully u will do better in the future. Good luck!
Name some of the misinformation. Otherwise your comment is pointless.
Your comment might be more believable if you pointed out the specific problems and bothered to cite credible sources of facts that disprove Einstein Wilf’s arguments.
Seemed like an interesting talk but, man, no, it's sooo biased 😅
Explain how.
@@Knight766They’re too lazy to
Sure, obviously they are (unlike you) biased toward reason and evidence.
@@Knight766 read some history....maybe Ahron Bregman, "Cursed Victory: A History of Israel and the Occupied Territories"
@@bw1677 I just need to understand Islam to know everything I need to.
She looks like a European lady. Did ancient Jews look like that?
you have no idea what you are talking about. Go to Europe before embarrassing yourself with your racism and ignorance
Ancient jews were the colour of boxwood. However, Israel is the gateway to 3 continents so there was always intermingling to prevent a genetic bottleneck. She is Ashkenazi whose skin colour can be traced to two genetic mutations along with the time spent in Europe after being exiled from Israel. Jews come in all different shades. Mizrahi, African, Sfardi. Our skin colour doesn’t define us. Our history, culture and identity does.
The majority of Jewish Israelis are more similar in skin tone to Palestinians if that helps.
Arabs were colonisers. Many of the areas they now control were not originally Arab. This is just a historical fact.
All Jews have genetic markers that show we are not European. We are quite different. We are of Levantine DNA for the most part.
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Judaism and mythology that you just described (including DNA nonsense) is what define you.
I've seen paler skin on Syrians, and on Egyptians from Alexandria. The Levant is a huge mixture of skin tones, eye and hair colour.
From 1949 until 1967 Jordan occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem while Egypt occupied Gaza. The Egyptian government was a dictatorship. Jordan was a monarchy. Neither Egypt nor Jordan had any intention of leaving the occupied territories. Why didn’t Palestinian “resistance fighters'' attack Jordan and Egypt? Why didn’t anyone recognize a Palestinian State? What about the Palestinian right of national self determination? What about full democratic human rights for Palestinians?
Only when Jews occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, which they did and will continue to do so because it is necessary for Israel’s survival, did it become an international crisis and Jews became the targets of constant terrorist attacks and international condemnation.
So highly qualified and so incredibly Myopic.
she is still waiting for your counterargument...don't be shy
Why israel?. Why not somewhere else? People forget zionists looked at other places.”we will always be a minority”? Well the religious are trying to change this
Israel is the ancestral home of the #indigenous Jews. After the Ottoman Caliphate was defeated in 1918 there was a 'window of opportunity' for them to return, because they fought on the side of the victors, the Allied Powers. I wish the Kurds and Assyrians had also been granted the right of self-determination in their ancestral lands. Instead, the *imperialist Arabs* were granted self-rule in 99% of the carved-up Ottoman Middle East land, today's Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. I'm glad the Jewish people persevered. They are an example for us all... 🇮🇱🙏💙
@@sandytatham3592 i know. They also looked elsewhere
@@sandytatham3592 thank you. Keep supporting. The world is a mad place. Lies lies lies everywhere
@@urielpolak9949: There's no chance of me changing my mind! My NZ grandfather fought in WWI to liberate the Middle East. He's buried in the British Military Cemetery near Jerusalem.
@@sandytatham3592 ??? Was i disagreeing???
Nobody seems concerned that Einat has decided come up with a bizarre definition of antisemitism that is basically a catch all for any critisicm of Israel, its persecution of the current conflict, the problematic elements of how the nation was established and the ongoing consequences of the displacement of the Palestinian people.
you: "Nobody seems concerned that Einat has decided come up with a bizarre definition of antisemitism"
Because is not bizarre but supported by sound arguments for a long time now.
Obviously you didn't pay much attention to this problem in the last 75+ years.
you: "that is basically a catch all for any critisicm of Israel, "
Nope, as all US administrations criticized some Israel decisions but they never were antisemitic.
you: "its persecution of the current conflict"
You have a better strategy?!? I doubt it having seen how clueless you are
you: "the problematic elements of how the nation was established
what are talking about? Israel was established on decisions made by UN to split the land between to people.
you: "the ongoing consequences of the displacement of the Palestinian people"
There are 2 millions Palestinians living inside Israel...the displaced ones are mostly caused by the wars they started or their allied started.
Palestinians in Gaza had nearly 20 years to establish a prosperous, independent and free state for themselves and instead they started digging tunnels and build rockets with the money the international community send to help them.
And we all saw the result the Oct 7th 2023: Hamas started another war (with the open support of Iran) in order to stop the normalization of relations between Israel and some Arab countries.
Parts of what she is saying is a ball of crap. I wish she were more honest.
so " ball of crap" is your counterargument ?!?
or you think your baseless opinions don't require any argument because she is Jewish?
The offerings offered by slaves to their sacred gods must not be made public. For example, the budget allocated to your gods must not be part of the state’s general budget so that there is no embarrassment, as the gods are superior to humans.