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Yikes, at one point I called Lupin an Anamagus in this video. Idk what I was thinking, go ahead and roast me!
No-one roasts Merphy :D
I just ended up being like "Well I guess if a wizard is also a werewolf then technically..."
haha I was just looking in the comments about that XD
Lol I commented about it before reading this comment
Lol never! Love ya Merph!😊
The thing that I hate the most about the time turner: WHY DOESN'T HERMIONE GO BACK IN TIME AND S L E E P????
Even if she does, technically she still has longer days than everyone else and is going to be more tired even if she was sleeping as much as everyone else. I don't think Hermione would continue to go back in time to get more than the average 8 hours of sleep, because well that's not like Hermione.
I think she probably realized that she would be aging faster since those hours that she goes back to accumulate
she actually did at one point
right before the smiling charms
Because you are aging faster so you just want to keep it to the minimum hours that are indispensable.
@@lofigaming9835 this right here. She specifically said she promised McGonagall to use it only for her classes and nothing else, it was already a big hassle to even get her the Time Turner already.
The permission slip is because you’re leaving school grounds. Your parents enroll you in hogwarts and therefore agree to how they run things. And the triwizard tournament was for wizards of age only. Legally adult wizards. They didn’t need permission as legal adults.
I believe it is also because visit to Hogsmeade is a reward for a student.
Well no the triwizard tournament was for 17 year olds because they are the ones who knew the magic that was required. Based on their year in school.
@@coleleaman2863 and 17 year olds in HP are of age
In the 6th book Dumbledoor takes Harry to Hogsmede to Apparate away and return from the cave. In the 7th book they Apperate into Hogsmede.
It's fully outside the magical protection bubble of Hogwarts, it must have its own muggle repellant charms but since it is technically fully off campus and out of the Hogwarts protection "zone" then that's why I believe they need permission slips.
@@coleleaman2863 No, the triwazard had no age restriction and it was implemented because of the deaths that existed in the history of the tournament.
I always assumed Hagrid got so upset when Draco got hurt because he was so on edge and anxious to be a good teacher and then something bad happened in his first class so he assumed the worst because this was something he wanted so much
Also, Malfoy has a track record of being shitty to Hagrid. His dad too.
Yeah, as someone who was literally accused of murder in his third year and sent to Azkaban for nothing, it makes sense for Hagrid to assume the worst.
Tru it was his first year after all
Plus, because Hagrid is a known "half-breed" he's going to face more intense reactions (stemming from discrimination) to anything he does. People and wizards are shitty, and this is especially true with the Malfoy's involvement since they advocate for blood "purity".
@@arielblaser5257 yeah I figured I wouldn't bother with this one because anyone with half a brain would know this
I've always wondered why the boggart "dementor" effected Harry like the real thing. I mean, aren't boggarts a representation of your greatest fear, NOT your actual greatest fear materialized? Lupin's boggart doesn't turn into the ACTUAL moon and Molly's family don't all ACTUALLY die when confronted with one. So why does Harry's suddenly turn into the real thing??
This is really true. I mean, all the other boggarts we see with the students wouldn't effect them physically - spiders etc. So maybe the boggart physically effects you too, not just emotionally. But if that's going to be the case, it needs to be constant. Lupin's boggart doesn't turn him into a werewolf, so which one is it?
Maybe it's because his fear is of what they do, not just what they are.
I could be wrong, but I've always been under the impression that it was more like a placebo dementor. It wasn't actually sucking joy from Harry, just essentially giving Harry a panic attack by forcing him to recall a traumatic experience. Granted, it's been a few years since I read the third book.
This has been bothering me too! It makes me wonder what actually would've happened if the boggart had taken the form of Lord Voldemort. Would the boggart have had same powers as Voldie? That would've been one darn powerful being. No wonder Lupin was so concerned 😂
@@thegreatandterrible4508 I recall Harry saying something like "that's a powerful dementor" and Lupin laughs and says "No it's just a boggart, the real thing is much worse"
I just realized permission slips work pretty much the same way in real life too.
You get to work with acids that could potentially melt your face off in Chemistry class without a permission slip but you need to get one to go to an art museum. lol
Most of the acids used even in A level chemistry are nothing more than mild irritants because they're so dilute
You can't change time with the Time Turner. When Harry and Hermione go back, everything happens exactly the same way. Hermione couldn't go back and attend Charms class because Harry and Ron already told her she'd missed it.
Nope. This is exactly how it works: if you want to use a Time Turner to be in two places at the same time, you have to go to the one place first, be there and only after that you can use TT and be in another place as well. For example: you have your classes on Monday wich starts at 8 A.M. and finishes at 10 A.M., to use TT in the proper way, you should go to the first class and be there until the end and only after that you can use TT for the first time, what means that until you use TT you can't be in another place, so there is always the whole class of people who can say "he or she wasn't here" in the same way as Harry and Ron told to Hermione. It works every single time you use TT.
@@romathinio You just said a bunch of stuff that doesn't contradict my comment at all, and then one thing that is wrong.
Each time Hermione goes to class number 1, her future self is also in class number 2 because she is *going* to use the Time Turner. Much like how Harry sees his future self casting the Patronus because he, too, is *going* to go back in time. Even before you yourself use the TT, your future self is still there during the overlap.
When Hermione missed her Charms class and Harry and Ron told her she missed it, this shattered all chance of going back in time, because doing so would mean changing the past, which the Time Turner does not do.
@@2602Jorno This is nonsense and a complete misunderstanding of the concept of time travel. First, there is the play "The Cursed Child", which is also canon according to Rowling, which shows that (a) TT can change the past in any way possible at any stretch of time (which is how the alternate universes where Voldemort didn't die came about); (b) even if we don't refer to "Cursed Child" and limit ourselves to the rules of the third book, it turns out that any alteration of the past is possible and will be part of reality as long as using of the Time Turner remains possible in the future. And the time loop with Harry is an obvious temporal paradox: the premise of Harry surviving the battle with the Dementors and going to save himself in the battle with the Dementors is that... he has already saved himself in the battle with the Dementors. A violation of the principle of causality. In the end, we only have to conclude that Hermione could have gotten to class even twenty years later when the events of the play "The Cursed Child" are described without violating the laws of time travel (she only needs to rejuvenate herself so as not to arouse suspicion).
@@romathinio You're awfully chatty for someone who doesn't have much of a point to make.
You say that changing the past is possible if using the TT is still possible in future, but you haven't backed this up with anything. Where is this shown in POA?
Harry saving himself is a causal loop, also known as the bootstrap paradox. It is a paradox, yes, but at least it is self sustaining and therefore makes more sense than the grandfather paradox used in Cursed Child. Point is, the only time we see the time travel for ourselves in POA it behaves in a closed loop, so that is how time works in the HP universe. If time travel worked in an open loop like in Cursed Child, Harry would have suffered the Dementor's kiss and never had chance to use the TT. Yet another reason why Cursed Child doesn't fit into HP canon.
@@2602Jorno Your manners are as low as your reasoning: the "changing the past is possible if using the TT is still possible in future," thesis is elementary supported by the fact that at this very moment of Harry's battle with the Dementors he had no idea that a TT even exists and can be used to go back in time and save himself; he learns of this possibility from Hermione some time later. That is, he might as well have learned about it not just a few hours after the fight with the Dementors, but 20 years later. There is no logical law that limits the length of the time loop to a period of a few hours rather than any other, even infinitely longer (like in the movie Interstellar). This is why the time paradox cannot be justified-it doesn't save the plot, it destroys it. Accordingly, Hermione didn't attend the class not because "Harry and Ron said she wasn't there," but because she DID NOT USE THE POSSIBILITY TO SEND HERSELF TO THE PAST FOR A LESSON EVER IN THE FUTURE. That's why it's reasonable to ask the question - what did it cost her to go to the past, to be in the classroom? In that case, she would have been in class, and Harry and Ron just wouldn't have told her she wasn't there.
I feel that Hagrid’s fear of getting fired is completely understandable and makes perfect sense. It’s his first year as a professor and a student was injured while in his care. And not just any student, a Malfoy. One of the most powerful and influential wizard families in Britain.
I'm still watching the video, but I'm pretty sure Lupin isn't an animagus, he's a werewolf and all his friends learned to become animagi(?) to be with him while he transformed
She pinned a comment about this.
What she said☝🏾
Yeah he's not an animagus , he's a werewolf
Glad I check the comments bc it made me think for a sec
Yes! Great point!
The permission slips are all about the butterbeer lol
Michael Knipp I thought they could get butter beer at school somehow? Or maybe I’m delusional and them drinking butter beer in Hogwarts actually happened when I read it in a fanfic or something when I was a kid.
amsayyy Fred and George snuck out to get it
@@Amsayy winkey is drunk off of butterbeer in the kitchen when the trio finds her, so I took that to mean its available there. Maybe the professors get it at feasts!
Jacqueline Sayler yeah, I defintely think the butterbeer wasn’t available to students but it might have been at Hogwarts for teachers to consume.
I think it's about privilege. Like some parents may think their kids should study every weekend...
as a teacher l completely understand Hagrid being scared.
Hagrid is so gentle and has anxiety issues, plus it was like his first day teaching I'm pretty sure.
@@stevencundy4501 yea because of harry, Ron and hermione they proved that Hagrid have always been innocent and wasn't involved with the chamber of secrets and he got himself a job the year after because of them :)
Yeah
For real. Plus, I assume Hagrid feared for his job immediately because he didn't even graduate and he's half giant--on paper he's very unqualified. And Lucius is on the Board of Governors, who certainly have to vote on/approve new hires. It's almost certain that Magical Racist Lucius voted hard against Hagrid and probably even said something like "one slip up and you're done". So when he slips up with Lucius' own son, it's bad.
The reason Remus was thought to be the spy was because he was undercover with the werewolves. Most of the werewolves sided with Voldemort.
I just figured when Lupin casts riddikulus, the moon turns into a silver orb, but its no longer a representation of the moon. So his charm does work
I also thought that. Because silver can kill werewolfs.
That makes sense. But I always assumed that in order for the riddikulus charm to work you need to find something funny about your fear, and it wouldn't be out of character if Lupin simply couldn't find anything funny about being a werewolf
@@samemistak3s ya but its still works if its a failed redikulus spell ie; Molly every time she failed it changed
I think that it is described that way not to say explicitly that it is, in fact, the Moon. Because it would be too easy to connect it to the warewolf lore. Some kids in the class even think that it is a crystal ball.
When on school grounds, the children are the school's responsibility. The permission slip is to say the kids are responsible for themselves whilst off-grounds
aah, not really. In New Zealand the school is still responsible for you as long as it is school hours (and travel to and from school) EVEN if you are not at school. Which is why you need a permission slip. I am not sure how it works in North America, but even during lunchtime you can not leave school grounds without a permission slip in Australia or New Zealand (and even then you will be expected to stay in School Uniform), and police will occasionally stop and ask you why you are not in school..
it’s like going on a school trip, we always need a permission slip for those
@@glenbe4026 in the UK no and it's set in the UK we had to have permission forms to go to a medow at age 14 right next to school through a fence as it's adjacent to the school field no roads to cross
Whilst? Okay fancy boy.
One of the biggest things thats bothered me about the HP series is the whole idea of the secret keeper. In Deathly Hallows, Bill mentions being secret keeper for Shell Cottage. If the person that lives in the house that's being protected can be secret keeper, then why wasn't James his own secret keeper?!?!?! That would've saved a lot of trouble for everyone!
Maybe James is the traitor. He's the last person, James would expect.
YUP. Or let's say that becoming your own secret keeper was a charm that was created after Lily and James died. Lily could have been a secret keeper James' or James for Lily's.
AND it says in the books that the secret keeper must give up the information willingly so Voldemort could have never tortured it out of Sirius anyway! The whole thing makes no sense.
ALSO, in DH everyone knows where the Potter house is because they had turned it into a shrine...which shouldn't have happened.
@@audcatz You can't force the secret out of anyone who's not a secret keeper but secret keeper can give up the secret willingly. Torturing someone until he gives up the secret obviously counts as "willingly" in this case. Also, if Voldemort killed Sirius, then everyone who knows the location of the house becomes the secret keeper. This probably includes a whole village-full of people including Peter Pettigrew.
Given this information, making yourself or your best friend the secret keeper is perhaps the dumbest idea because that's what the evil guys will expect! The best choice will be obviously someone so strong and powerful that no one can really get to him. That's why Dumbledore offered himself. Next best choice will be someone who literally no one will expect will be the secret keeper. Sirius was going in the right direction in this case by picking Peter. Only flaw in this plan was that Peter so happened to be the spy.
@@audcatz but the people protected by the fidelius charm are dead so its broken
@@333pinkelephant333 Nope, if they give it up via torturing it is not willingly so they cannot do so.
"If the Secret Keeper wishes to do so, they may divulge the information at any time (although the secret cannot be forced, bewitched or tortured out of a Secret Keeper who does not wish to give up their secret; it must be given voluntarily)"
It should have been Dumbledore since he was the only one Voldy wouldn't attack...
Loving a book is not saying that it's perfect, but recognizing that it has issues but you love it in spite of its faults
George André Veloso Nunes loving books is just like loving people. They aren’t perfect but we love them for their flaws too. Makes the book more realistic.
That's love in general.
Putting anything on a pedestal is unhealthy.
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@Brook Clouds why do you think "don't judge a book by it's cover" is commonly used when dealing with people?
Yeah it's just a fucking book
The real question for me isn't "why give her a time machine?" but "why can't they schedule classes and exams at different times?" or at least "why can't she take them as special classes in a different slot?"
I am pretty sure two professors would be willing to give Hermione personal classes in the worst case scenario, given her academical talents. Also what would happen if any kid would just happen to choose Divination and Arithmency but not the other classes?
Because they can't change everybody's schedule for only one student. I've been in this situation too, I got accepted into art&design major in high school but I also wanted to study advanced literature. I talked about it with my teachers and they agreed to see if they can change the schedule so that I can attend both classes.. They tried their best but they just couldn't make it work. There are more factors in determining a schedule then you would think...
They probablly couldn't change the date of the exams too (or at least the date of the final exams which are the most important) just like my school couldn't- these exams were being held at the same time in my entire country. My school didn't really have any say in when they would be held..
Eventually I had to choose between the two majors, but because time traveling is a possibillity in the books Hermione didn't have to.. Her teachers thought she would be responsible enough to handle it
(Sorry for my English.. I haven't practiced much ever since I graduated high school a few months ago and I think my grammer got worse.. I apologize for writing a lot, too lol)
Pls tell me if you couldn't understand what I said because of my grammer so I could try to explain it again once I'm not as tired😅
It's the only school in the country.
@@thomaskirkness-little5809 Well it doesn't contradict my first argument..
The schedule of the lessons in one school has nothing to do with the rest of the schools in the country.
And about my second argument- I see your point but the exams' dates could be set by the ministry of magic for all we know, so even if it's the only school it might not have much of a say in the dates anyways.
@@hadasnissan4412 "They probablly couldn't change the date of the exams too (or at least the date of the final exams which are the most important) just like my school couldn't- these exams were being held at the same time in my entire country."
I agree with most of these except I think there is valid reason for Remus and Sirius to suspect the other as the Spy. I think Sirius would suspect Remus due to his being a werewolf, the Dark Lord was probably trying to win over the werewolves even then and so maybe he thought Remus might be tempted.
Remus likely suspected Sirius due to his family being Dark. Plus I think when it came down to it, it was more so that they couldn't imagine that cowardly, mousy Pettigrew could possibly have the nerve to go Dark. Thus they they thought it was eachother.
Also just a note but Remus isn't an animagus, he's just a werewolf, its the other three marauders who are animagi.
that's kinda what I was thinking but it makes me sad that they thought of each other that way :/
pongo5000 I also think with tensions being so high, that played a factor. Friends and family were dying, people in hiding, no one was safe and they were playing an active part in the war itself.
Anyone could be a spy, even your best friends, and eventually that has to grate on you and you begin to turn on each other.
I’m pretty certain this whole scenario of the fight between lupin and Sirius over the secret keeper thing stems entirely from mental health deteriorating due to high stress and mental fatigue.
They were both going to protect James(and lily and Harry), even if that meant against each other.
@@Amsayy Exactly! That situation is enough to make anyone a little paranoid and scared enough to doubt even their closest friends.
@@Amsayy As a werewolf Lupin would have been shunned by society. He would be more susceptible to Voldemort because of the people he mixed with and the choices he might have been forced to make.
Wouldn't Pettigrew being cowardly make it more likely that he'd give in if the Death Eaters tried to get to him? Like he wouldn't have the courage to stand up for his friends because he'd so anything to save his own ass.
Hermoine takes 3 extra classes. I'm only pointing it out because by the end of the book she has dropped two extra classes, that means she still has one more class than Harry and Ron. Yet it's established in book 6 that only 6th years get free periods. How does she still fit in the extra class.
Harry, Ron - Divination, Care Of Magical Creatures
Hermoine - Arithmancy, Ancient Runes, Care Of Magical Creatures
Then slight annoyance for me. At one point they look at her timetable and it's like "Ancient Runes - 11am, Transfiguration - 11am". Why would the extra class be on at the same time as the core class all the students had to take.
Love your vids btw :)
Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe 3rd years couldn't usually take the class? But it's likely just J.K. Rowling not thinking about it.
They don't change anything when they go back in time. This one of the few stories where time traveling is portrayed right.
Pompfrey can vouch for them because she didn't notice that they disappear and came through the door.
You mean it's an example of time travel being done well. There are other time travel stories out there that do it differently and they're no less valid, especially if they are handled well.
Also, the biggest problem with time travel is when you can go back in time. This is when one has to walk the tightrope.
@@numberhunter62 I'm talking about traveling back in time. Traveling forward in time is not prone to inconsistencies since we are always traveling forward in time (at a rate of 1 second per second).
But in many stories, when they travel back in time they change things that have "already" happened. That's not traveling back in time, that traveling to another universe where things happened differently.
@@davidrubio.24 If we wanna go like that time is merely a concept created by humans to explain things happening in sequence.
I've seen time travel stories that have points in time that can't be changed no matter what you do. You can try changing things but the end result had already been decided.
@@numberhunter62 Yeah, those are he ones that I say that portray time traveling right.
@@davidrubio.24 good thing you know how „time traveling“ (a concept we can‘t possibly understand with out current knowledge in physics) works „correctly“…
Do you know something our best minds don‘t? Will you be so kind to enlighten them? 😂
Back to the topic of stories, time travel is usually a shit concept because it brings up many questions wnd loads of plot holes… just like it does in Harry Potter. If you want to tell a serious story, stay as far away from time travel as possible
You missed the big one. Lupin seems to be incredibly careless about him turning into a werewolf - which is HIS WORST FEAR! He not only forgets to drink his potion (which, as a minor plothole, he should have drunken two weeks in advance anyway), which would be a big plot convenience already. Snape even directly TELLS HIM HE FORGOT. And what is Lupins reaction? Not shock, not fear, not "i d rather stay here, go away from me, quick!". No, he just ignores the information, goes outside and transforms.
Part 3 used to be my favorite part of the series, but it is the only book that was really spoiled for me by all the plotholes.
Exactly!! Thank you!! Not to mention the tiny tinsy fact that if Lupin hadn't gonne outside and transformed without the wolfsbane, Peter wouldn't have escaped and reunited with Voldy. For a werewolf with a big fear of hurting people he sure tends to forget when the full moon is coming.
@@WSoulMoony Exactly. Thats why i said it was the only book spoiled by the plothole; its not just nitpicky, but very important to the next 4 books - yet it doesnt make any sense.
I thought he had to drink it the week leading to the full moon. So the six days before and then the day of...
But really, he was pretty careless there
@@anaisabelpais7389 Yes, he says that he has to drink it 5 or 6 days leading to the full moon and I guess the day of, given the context, but I guess this potion is like the contraceptive pill you forget it one day and you are pretty screwed up.
C G To Lupins defence, crazy sh*t was taking place... Peter Pettigrew alive? With Harry, Ron and Hermione? On the way to ... Sirius?? If anything would distract him Big Time this would.
"I must run to the shrieking shack! Ah, hold on. Severus will be here with my potion in 20-30 minutes. I think I'll just read the Evening Prophet 'til he's here, then."
Probably not.
I love Harry Potter too but the fact that you have to constantly keep saying that you love Harry Potter in order to not get attacked by an angry mob of fans just for saying that it isn't perfect says quite a lot about the fandom.
Well I mean look at football fans they devoutly cheer for their team even if they've lost all the games in the season that's the same thing with fandoms of anything they are fanatic about the thing they like otherwise they'd just be called patrons people who literally just appreciate whatever it is that they'd like the mere term Fandom in and of itself is based on fanatic and kingdom not democracy or anything like that
Tbh I feel like it's the same in most fandoms... Another prominent example for that is kpop, but I feel like there are fans like that in any fandom, even if they're in the minority.
@@taylrthegreat As someone who is a fan of perpetually losing teams, trust me that we are well aware of our teams' tremendous flaws. The difference is that even the best sports team will lose many games in a typical season (anywhere from 10% [football] to 40% [baseball] of all games they play).
The same is true of books and movies. They will naturally be flawed in some ways and depending on the genre you can easily pick out between 10 to 40% of the book / film as something to be criticized.
Unfortunately more casual readers of literature or consumers of film won't be used to picking out flaws so they see any sort of criticism of their entertainment as a personal attack. I find the people who have wide, varied interests in fiction are usually more approachable and less defensive than the ones who might only be fans of Harry Potter or Star Wars or something else of the sort.
I agree, it's enough if you say that you don't see Snape as a hero but rather a villain and that he and Lily wouldn't make a good couple, and then you have fans attacking you.
Most people can see the flaws in their favourite shows/movies/books/teams/characters, but there are a few who just take it _way_ too seriously and can't hear even the slightest piece of criticism about what they deem to be perfect. Even though those people are usually in the minority, it's them who tend to make the most noise so their numbers seem somewhat inflated.
I got absolutely lambasted once on the comments section of a video about a _Doctor Who_ episode. My crime? I said that I found Rose Tyler to be selfish and needy and I was not particularly upset when she left the show. Wow... you'd think I'd just announced myself to be a multiple murderer and child abuser.
"Grow up, ffs!" is usually my first thought when encountering those people.
Regarding Peter being chosen as a secret keeper... You have to remember that Sirius' whole family was on the dark side (either actual Deatheaters or approving them) and Lupin probably was wandering around without a fixed residence/job while werewolves everywhere where joining Voldemort. Peter had never done anything shifty before that, he seemed loyal to his friends, so it makes sense to me.
(Maybe the "joke" Sirius played on Snape created a cold between Sirius and Lupin too? I totally see James as the glue holding his friends together, so during the war they might have drifter apart enough to suspect each other...)
I thought I read somewhere that James didn't appoint Lupin as the secret keeper because he was in Romania trying to persuade warewolves to join the Order? Or did I make that up in my mind?
That might be a thing. If you think about, that was a pretty aweful thing to not only to Snape but to Lupin. Use your friend to potentially kill a schoolmate or at least turn him into a werewolf... Geez, that's stark.
I agree that it does make sense for Peter to be the Secret Keeper but not that he kept Sirius and Lupin together, if so then then Lupin would've got the Dementors and not let Sirius explain & we'd have never known Peter was still alive. As you saw Harry tell Sirius that he had killed Peter, the only thing left was a finger. So that doesn't make much sense, I think it was James who kept all of them together at first but eventually Sirius & Lupin got buddy buddy. Then when James and Lily died, Harry was all they had left of the friend they had lost. That & he was described in the books to look just like James except he had Lily's eyes.
Made that up, originally they were gonna make Lupin the Secret Keeper but he had convinced them to make Peter Secret Keeper seeing as he was the weaker link so they thought Voldemort would go after Sirius since he was the stronger one and Sirius even went into hiding so Voldemort would be convinced that it was Sirius
@@Wolfsgeist Lupin was turned into a werewolf by Greyback WAY before he met them
Hermione and Harry didn't change time at the end. Everything they did was happening the first time around, we just weren't shown it from that perspective
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So the time turner doesn’t change time. It just does things as they always are meant to be. So they were always returning right after they left. That’s how Harry knew he’d already done the final patronus charm. Because it literally already happened.
Was coming down to check that someone commented this. The Prisoner of Azkaban uses a fixed timeline, like the first two Terminator movies.
Of course, this is messed up by the Cursed Child, but it'd be nice if we all forgot about that.
Which is also why Hermione couldn't go back to the Charms class she skipped. Because she can't change what happened (fate would probably intervene somehow even if she tried).
Yep I see that in many stories that involve time travel! Many times while the protagonist is trying to change the past, he's actually doing exactly the thing that needed to happen to make things play out exactly as they always had.
Exactly! It’s a causal loop
If you're using this explanation than you can't use the time turner to attend two classes at the same time. What difference does it make if you fall asleep or have a class at the same time? If you can attend one class, turn back time and attend another one; why can't you fall asleep, turn back time and attend the class you missed?
The Marauders Map problem is still present: Snape saw Lupin going through the tunnel under the Willow. If only a Marauder can see other Marauders...
also, why does Harry see Peter? He's not a Marauder
@@andrewlowden322 ??? He is though? James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter are all the marauders.
@@andrewlowden322 I don't think Harry sees Peter Pettigrew. I think that was just in the movie.
Loved this video, but there are a couple of mistakes in it
1. The reason students don't need permission slips for the Triwizard tournament is because the champions were all supposed to be of age
2. Lupin isn't an animagus, Peter, James and Sirius are. (Though the point about him not being able to perform riddukuls is still valid)
Did I call him an animagus? I think I only called the others one. Maybe i misspoke at some point though!
woops, just remembered that I def did say it at one point. Dumb mistake lol!
@@merphynapier42 Still really love this video though lmao
It makes sense why students need permission slips for the Triwizard Tournament, but it doesn't make sense why they would them to visit Hogsmeade.
Hogsmeade is within walking distance of the school and it's filled with places appropriate for 13+ year olds such as candy shops, a joke shop, a butterbeer bar, etc. Why would someone need permission to go there, especially if they're with a bunch of other friends?
@@elephant35e because parents sent them to Hogwarts, and if they leave the school, parents need to know. Every school is like that.
7:50 here’s my explanation as to why Lupin’s spell had SEEMED to be not working:
When Lupin saw Harry was about to pass out he casted the riddikulus spell at the boggart to help him out. It may have changed into something funny at that time and we just weren’t told about it in the book since the focus was on Harry. Harry also wasn’t actually paying attention when that happened. The boggart averted it’s attention to Lupin and it transformed again, this time into a full moon, hence the loud crack sound. Still, Harry was too exhausted to see what happened and just noticed that his patronus, along with the boggart dementor had vanished but didn't see the actual transformation of the boggart from something funny to looking like an orb. Lupin didn’t cast another riddikulus spell but instead forced the boggart orb back into the case with his wand since he didn’t want it to be destroyed, like what happened during class, because they still needed it for their next private lessons.
They never changed time because in the future they'd already gone to their past. That day had always had two Harrys and Hermiones running around.
Yeah and that's a huge problem it creates an infinite loop and a fixed timeline. Everything that has and will happen is already decided. It's such an enormous problem I can't believe Rowling didn't think about it for 2 seconds
@@smoshbooz How is that a problem?
@@divadrelffehs because it means that everything ever has already happened because there are in infinite number of timelines going around and around. So there was no real risk, no real stakes. Harry had already defeated Voldemort and won the war an infinite number of times. Everything ever was always gonna be the way it turned out to be. It feels cheated and so unnecessary. Time travel should never have been included. What we watched or read was not the first timeline so by then everything was already planned.
It feels like you're watching something that has already happened an infinite amount of times even though it's the first time watching it. You're watching just 1 timeline of the infinite timelines
@@smoshbooz But it hasn't happened an infinite number of times. It's happened once. On the point of determinism. Everything will turn out the way that it will turn out. Harry was always going to defeat Voldemort, or not. But that fact isn't where the causal power lay. Voldemort was always going to choose to kill Harry, not because it was destined, but it was destined because he would choose to . His decisions were the causal power, and he was free to do otherwise, but he didn't so that world wasn't his destiny.
The thing that I understand even less about letting Hermione have a time turner although it apparently is something very serious, it's that if we count well, when she takes all her classes she has 11 of them and can't manage them all for a whole year even though she is f***ing Hermione, but it is said that Percy Weasley and Barty Crouch Jr both had 12 O.W.L.'s... So either they were allowed to pass the exams without attending every class or they were also provided a time turner but 1) in the first case, why wouldn't Hermione do that, and in the second case I can't believe that, as serious or pressured Percy and Barty could have been, they could manage it better than Hermione 2) still in the second case, it would mean that letting 13 year old kids having a time turner isn't such an issue and 3) if this is supposed to be kept secret how are their parents talking so casually about their kids having a supposedly impossible amount of O.W.L.'s?
I think Hagrid being so scared for his job might have something to do with the experience of him getting expelled for Arragog (it’s that the spider’s name, I’m not sure). From Harry’s stories about Draco and the Malfoy’s reputation he might have predicted that Draco would complain to his father and Lucius would try and do something about it. Hagrid has been burned badly in the past over his love for creatures and maybe he was scared it would happen again.
Also I don’t think we saw enough about the Marauders friendship to really know why the Potters would trust Peter more over Lupin and Sirius. It’s why I would love a spin-off in the Marauders time at Hogwarts. From what we know about them now I don’t even get that they were friends with Peter at all. It’s just seemed like James, Lupin and Sirius were super close and Peter was just tagging along but there must be more to it as he knew about Lupin being a werewolf, he was an animagi (idk how to spell that sorry) for Lupin, he also was stil a part of their friend group after Hogwarts (if they didn’t like they could have ditched him there, say they just “grew apart”). Obviously they all were close with Peter and trusted him a lot. JK Rowling just never showed us why or how or anything really.
It wasn’t that the potters trusted Pedigrew more, it’s that Sirius didn’t trust himself enough because he was such an obvious choice.
James and Pettigrew had a sexual relationship.
I personally don't want JK touching this series ever again. She's done so much retconning in her Twitter posts that I don't think it'd be recognizable.
@@loonar7960
Imagine the books with all her BS actually written into them now.
I was going to point out Hagrids past trauma as a reason he's so anixious! X
I have a theory why Lupins dementor doesn't change:
What he thinks of as a funny thing is, not being a werewolf and therefore not finding the moon scary. So he just shifts his perspective and takes the fear away that way. Maybe he even imagines being a romantic person loving the moonlight or something like that to make it even more absurd.
I wonder, if that would really work for different kinds of fearful things. I, for example, am terrified of snakes. Of course I could turn the boggart into a balloon or something like that, but what if I instead imagined myself to be an animal that eats snakes? If I would stand there thinking "come here little unsuspecting snake, I am a Mungo, I will eat you and you are not aware, because I look like a human." Would that work?
Harry‘s parents made Peter Pettigrew their secret keeper exactly because they thought Voldemort would never think they would make such a stupid person their secret keeper. This is very well explained in the books in my opinion. Anyway, love how Harry Potter is still talked about and discussed to such an extent. I have my issues with the developpment of some storylines within the story as well, but I think this is just a testimony of how amazing these books are! We end up talking about them for hours and it they keep us thinking and I think that‘s wonderful! Like many of us I grew up reading the books (in German, English, French and Spanish) and they will be a part of my life forever!
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It was hagrids first day as a professor he was incredibly nervous and insecure and was worried when he let of all students, Draco get hurt.
It makes absolutely no sense that Wormtail is friends with that group of guys. None whatsoever. These are not the type of guys who are going to befriend the weirdo sitting under the tree reading the dark arts book. No they’re likely to beat him up. More than likely Wormtail would have been their favorite target not their best friend. That whole situation never made any sense to me whatsoever. He doesn’t make any sense in that group.
"there's a horde of dangerous giant man-eating spiders in the forest. They will eat you when they get the chance. What should we do about it?"
"send students there for detention"
"here's a big flying animal that is pretty chilled but can act out when threatened"
"execute it of course"
Here's a guy who admits he helped Voldemort for years, and only switched sides because the one chick he was obsessed with was in danger. Dumbles will get him off the hook!
Here's another guy who was a faithful comrade and soldier, sent to Azkaban without a trail. Eh, no need for Dumdum to get involved, he's probably guilty. I mean look at that rock star hair.
Also, did Lupin not notice that there was two Harrys and Hermiones on the map when he looked at the map and noticed Pettigrew? You would have thought he'd mention it.
Mhm true, but the map has a lot of inconsistencies inside of itself already.
Even though it makes no sense to give a 13-year-old the power to time travel just for more classes, I think the time travel logic in this book is really good. They aren't changing anything when they go back (that's more like Back to the Future-style time travel). They are just enacting the things that they already experienced, such as Harry saving himself and Sirius from the dementors. They just didn't realize before that their presence was necessary to make those things happen. But Harry even has that realization at the end when he says he knew he could do the patronus because he already saw himself do it.
yeah i agree with that. Thats why Hermione couldn't use the time turner to attend to the charms class. She was already seen by many students as NOT being there, so that would have been the first time she would really change time. The scene at the end with Madame Pomfrey is also not change of time because Dumbledore let Harry and Hermione in as soon as her earlier version left and it always was that way.
But it is indeed a bit weird that Snape didn't know about the time turner.
If Hermione decided to use the time turner to be at class she would have always been there. No changing time. If she decided to attend every class and use the time turner whenever she needs it, she could have fallen asleep, but she would have been at class, then be woken by classmates not getting how she got there so fast from the classroom. (And if someone decided to save the Potters with a time turner, their death would have been fake news, it's just that noone thought about it.)
This is the main problem with time travel. It can't have always happened because there HAS to be a time when it didn't happen for it to happen in the first place. If time travel always existed then there's no incentive to invent time travel therefore it can't have always existed. That's the paradox of time travel.
@@starryk79 Snape could have just been playing the fool to throw Fudge off the trail and maintain his cover. Snape had to endure a lot of indignities for the greater good.
Well that's why time traveling to the past most likely isn't possible in the real world, but in fiction there are no problems inherent in time travel, as long as the rules are clearly established and the story doesn't break them. For instance, this is why The Cursed Child isn't good. In Prisoner of Azkaban, it's clearly established that there is only one timeline, and it cannot be changed, so there is no "first time" - it only seems that way to us because we are following our characters as they experience it. But thinking linearly about all of the events, a person can go back as many times as they want, but it won't change anything because they will have ALWAYS been there. But in The Cursed Child, they are going back to change the past, which clearly violates the previously established rules.
I was annoyed by the fact that every adult called dementors something like Azkaban guards before Harry knew what a dementor was, then everyone started using dementor.
New fan theory: Divination didn't work for Herminenegf because...she was using a time turner.
She has a time turner so the story could happen. Hermione is gonna need you to get all the way off her back about this. lol
Strange Aeons Oh...portraying that a character is very smart to excuse for all plot conveniences is tight!
Golden comments XP
It was super easy, barely an inconvenience!
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@@rhinoceros2469 Quoting popular TH-cam channels is tight!
You talked about lupin's patronus but didn't mention how an entire classroom of students could not identify the moon when they saw it
I think they were just confused cuz they didn't expect that but also didn't really think of it too much...
Ik too many people who wouldn't really give a shit about that if they were in this situation irl lol
About the time Turner and Hermione missing charms: she can in no case change past events, that's actually the important rule in using them. So, as Harry and Ron have already noticed her not having been to the class, she cannot go back to it. It's basically a "don't create time travel paradoxes" rule. And the whole final arc of the book is about them working around what already happened.
And no, there is no changing in what Madam Pomfrey saw or did. Harry and Hermione return to the hospital wing at the exact moment they disappear inside. Dumbledore even says, before he lets them in, that he's just heard them disappear. So unless Madam Pomfrey was actually watching them use the time turner, sie wouldn't know.
except the only way for Hermione to miss the class is if she decides not to go back in time to take it... otherwise she would have been there in the first place, not missing it...
Well if she is on 2 same places at a same time it means that she changed past because in the past she wasn't in the one class to begin with.Whole rules of time travel aren't really clear and JK really shouldn't have added something that complex and dangerous in her books without thinking about everything that can go wrong and trying to "fix" it
@@hexingon6088 except she WAS in two places at the same time. Everything that happens, happens twice only to her, and once to everyone else. And both instances of Hermione influence things at the same time. So if Harry and Ron live through a charms class and Hermione isn't there, that means she can't, after realizing she missed it, go back and change that. Same goes for their rescue operation at the finale: they can't do anything that directly contradicts what they experienced the first time they lived through it. The stones they throw into Hagrids hut came flying without explanation before that. Buckbeak never died (which Dumbledore knows when he instructs them to use the time turner). Harry saved everyone from the dementors. It's all already happened.
For the record: JKR has plenty of logic flaws in her books. I don't think anyone who has considered them in depth will argue with that. But I think the time travel thing is halfway neatly wrapped up. You could, of course, always ask what happens when someone goes rogue and DOES change events, and there's no clear answer to that. But then again, this is not a SciFi novel. I don't need that answer here.
@@spackenvids987 that's the thing though. If she went and was there, Harry and Ron would not tell her she missed the class, which in turn would mean she wouldn't go because she didn't think of it without events that were actually caused by her missing the class.
She has been instructed by professor McGonagall when she received the time turner at the start of the year. She can't change things that have already happened. As I said in another reply, it's basically a rule against creating time travel paradoxes.
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I think the Arithmancy students who were in McGonagall's class didn't cheer because they were a minority (probably most students chose Divination because it's a more interesting subject), so when they saw that no one cheered, they were quiet too
EDIT: Ok, now that I think about it, the really weird thing about this scene is that the Arithmancy students hear Hermione say she was in Divination class and are fine with it (but they didn't see Hemione with them in Arithmancy?)
Hmm. Such a quandary... Summer classes for special topics or give a kid the ability to alter time.
In some level you just have to respect that level of laziness.
I feel you may have answered your own question. Hermiony could only use the time turner for the extra classes, not to “goof” off taking a nap instead of charms. So she had to miss charms class.
2:41 The staircases in Hogwarts move. Maybe they were positioned in a particularly inconvenient configuration that day.
No, they dont move in the books. Just in the Film
Lupin straight up didn't know how to make being a werewolf funny. 😂 He wasn't an animagus, though. That was the other three, so they could transform when he was werewolf. Some excellent points here I always wondered about. Personally I think the permission slips were probably Filch's idea because of the joke shop. Hope you're feeling better!
The Time-Turner is my favorite example of time-travel in fiction. The thing about how the book does time-travel is that everything is already predetermined. Example: In the end, Harry and Hermione are saved from Dementors. Harry and Hermione go back in time and save themselves from Dementors. It's a nice logical time loop compared to other stories with time travel that use alternate timelines. Basically, Hermione was always going to miss that class because she didn't go the first time. If she would have used the time turner then she wouldn't have missed the class, but once she did miss the class that basically locked the timeline. Best not to think about it too much, my heads hurting just trying to explain it lol.
Hermione missing the class doesn't make any sense... The only way for her to miss it would be her deciding to miss it, otherwise she would be there in the first place NOT missing it, because she would later turn back time to take the class
@@spackenvids987 Hermione gets woken up by Ron and Harry though, so the first thing she knows when she wakes up is that she didn't go to charms
@@spackenvids987 it is cuz it already happened she can't go back and change it anymore or else that would create another timeline
Well Hermione couldn't have gone back to attend Charms because she would have gone back only after the boys had asked her why she wasn't gone, which they wouldn't have done if she had gone back to Charms and she couldn't have woken herself up because YOU MUST NOT BE SEEN. That would have created a time paradox, which I am pretty sure that she had been warned against.
Considering how horribly dangerous Hogwarts is, you should need a permission slip to NOT leave it.
8:10 What have you been doing to that book, you depraved woman?! And don't tell me it's just a book that's been written on. Desecrated, bespoiled, befouled!
And before you all get upset, this is a reference to Half -Blood Prince
I think that Peter always seemed to loyal or dependent on James. They say how he follows them around doing everything and such. So I dont think they would think he would be with volde. Lupin being a werewolf and volde having control over most dark creatures is why I think sirius didnt trust him. And sirius is black so...his family is an issue.
That's the logic I see atleasr
Tp be honest, the whole point about Remus is how he lets his werewolf condition get the better of him. He keeps people away from him because he's scared at how they will react once they know, when Snape reveals his condition to the school he immediately packs and leaves, and we cant forget how much trouble he and Tonks went thru together. I think the whole point of Lupin's Riddiculous is that mabye he can withstand his fear but he's not mentally strong enough to defeat it, hence when he casts Riddiculous the boggart backs off but doesn't actually change.
Just realize he didnt show the class how to beat a boggart, he made Neville show the class. It was his first lesson, why let a student demonstrate the spell you are about to teach? Likely because he's not able to properly use it.
Also, talking about werewolves, idk if you pointed this out in the prevous videos of the series, but people (Like Ron, Draco and Neville, and even Hagrid and Filch) seem to think that there are werewolves in the forbiden forest. This makes no sense once we finally meet a werewolf.
I'd be ok if Harry was afraid of WWs because he didnt know any better, but the kids raised in magic families should definitely know what a werewolf is, and especially Hagrid.
"I'm going to end on the time turner" (7 minutes to go in the video).
Yeah, the time turner was a logical nightmare. No wonder JK got rid of the lot by the end of book 5.
why wouldn't james himself just be secret keeper? Bill did it for shell cottage in deathly hallows
Because he and Lily couldn't leave the house for nothing. Someone had to bring them what they needed like supplies and news.
@@drogadepc So? James could've been secret keeper and told people he trusted where they lived. Like Dumbledore had to be the one to tell Harry (on a piece of paper) about Grimmauld Place but until Dumbledore died Harry couldn't relay the information to anyone else.
The thing about Hagrid and losing his job, you have to remember it was litterly his first day as a teacher and a student got hurt by one of the animals.
That's why he was worried about losing his job, not that he had fore sight , but it was his very first day on the job and he done messed up.
The thing about Lupin, maybe his boggart turned into like a silver or glass ball, instead of the moon.
Wouldn't Lupin have been able to see 2 Harry's and 2 Hermione's on the map before heading to the whopping willow?
I imagine Sirius thinking like this: "Well, one of us has to be a spy. Could it be Peter? Weak, cowardly, spineless Peter? NAH!"
Why did Peter need a wand to transform back to a rat but Sirius doesn’t?
Maybe they do to him some kind ofspell that couldn't let him tansform to an animagus by himself (sorry for my eng).
If Sirius Black broke into Hogwarts and everyone went crazy because he's a mass murderer and all teachers are searching for him, why would Fred and George not find him in the map and go to Dumbledore and explain? Surely such an urgent and extreme situation would be worth them confessing having this forbidden object and Dumbledore would pardon them, as they would have saved the school??
Also if a group of teenagers was able to perform magic complex enough to live track anyone in Hogwarts, surely Dumbledore would have been able to create something similar to locate Sirius within the school?
The Marauders' Map is one of the biggest convenience devices ever created.
Did you watch Seamus' video? Sirius is a Marauder, so won't have been seen by Fred and George.
@@jimmythewig3354 Peter was also a marauder but he could be seen on the map.
@@jimmythewig3354 Snape saw Sirius and lupin on the map.
@@1997lordofdoom the film was wrong when Harry said he saw Peter on the map. Doesn't happen in the book.
As I said on the other video, all my problems with JK, she pulled off good closed loop time travel.
Then Cursed Child messes it up.
I think the permission slip had more to do with it being a privilege rather than dangerous.
Bree Burch i felt the same way
Field trip
I went to High School in both New Zealand and Australia. (New Zealand in particular is very similar to the UK). You ALWAYS needed a permission slip to leave school grounds, even if you were going for lunch.
@@glenbe4026 That's exactly what I have thought for a while, because you're leaving school. Same in the US.
what do u mean privilage? how is getting your parents signature/permission giving you more privilage than others? not being sassy just curious lol. i have to re read that part to see exactly what was said.. i remember them making it such a big deal that he didnt have SOMEONE who could sign for him. harry even asked them to please sign for him.
clearly people agree with this theory so i wana know what im missing lol. wasnt hogwarts really protected? and the field trip more dangerous because it wasnt as guarded? been a while lol
No they never changed time. They always walked in. It was a loop
for me, time travel can make sense if it follows one of these two rules: either time is completely linear and you can't change ANYTHING (i.e., if you go back in time and try and kill your grandparents you won't be able to do it, because you exist, therefore your parents must come to be), or the act of changing something creates a sort of parallel universe (so if you do manage to kill your grandparents, you won't be born in that universe's future, but since you were born in another one, you continue to exist just fine). for me, the first rule is the most interesting one, because it allows you to play around with fate and prophecies and such. but yeah, just my two cents as a physicist hahahaha
Yes! I think one of the best examples of the second option is in the Back to the Future trilogy. I have yet to encounter the first scenario in a movie or book, but it would be interesting!
@@onceuponamelody Lost is this way more or less. It's where I got the idea. "Whatever happened haopened"
Back to the future doesn’t quite follow that set of rules cuz he almost erased himself from existence so it proves it’s not a parallel universe but the actual future
Almost every story involving time travel doesn't stick to these and becomes illogical. Anyway, for the first option it kinda removes the point of time travel imo. Both for character motivation and storytelling. It also kinda means that characters have no free will or smth while in the past. Kinda strange.
@@FrenkieWest32 it is, in my professional opinion as a physicist, how the universe works haha. So it's just really natural to me. Also, the characters don't need to know that they are walking down an inevitable path. That's what makes it interesting!
I’m pretty sure the way time turners work you can’t actually change anything. So if Hermione missed a class she can’t go back and fix it because she missed that class. If she realizes she missed a class but someone was like “no you were there” than she can go back and fix it. But time travel is weird so who knows
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Does it bother anyone else that two iconic spells used to work the map - I solemnly swear I'm up to no good, and mischief managed - are both in English, while every single spell in the series is in Latin?! And also, how Snape tries to make the map work by giving commands in English and the map responded! I mean, the map is absolutely groundbreaking magic if it can respond to a language other than Latin.
But the Marauders made the map, it's not some ancient magical artifact
No, because they’re not the actual charms. They’re simply trigger words.
This is my favorite of the series and the fact that the time travel is actually done well is one of the reasons. Past Harry would have died if Future Harry hadn't saved him with the Patronus charm. Nobody else was close enough (they were already scattering by the time Snape got there). As such, the loop always existed and there were two Harrys and two Hermiones for that period of time.
One detail I did NOT notice (a friend pointed it out) was when the trio were waiting for everybody to clear out of the Great Hall (if memory serves) before they put on the Invisibility Cloak and visit Hagrid. It was mention that the last noise they heard was two people running very fast and a door slamming. This was future Harry and Hermione arriving from said future and running into the broom closet. I thought it was so cool that bit was put in there and left for us to discover (even though I didn't).
This my favorite book too, I think the Sirius parts through the book are the best ones!
Hermione couldn't go back in time to make sure she didn't miss Charms. She only realized she missed Charms because Harry and Ron told her. If she goes back to not miss the class, Harry and Ron never have a reason to tell her she's missed it. Creating a paradox.
Maybe Dumbledore was using reverse psychology my making Snape list all the other possibilities rather than time Turner so that he doesn't think about it and Hermione didn't reverse her nap because she was being a model student only using it for attending classes until the end of course precisely why McGonagall gave her the turner
Lupin didn’t want to “finish the boggart off” - also, he’s not an animagus
But.... she didn’t CHANGE anything, timeturners are closed loop timetravel
Hagrid is scared for his job because he’s seen Malfoy’s power when he got Dumbledore fired. He knows what he’s capable of. I thought that one was pretty obvious.
The difference being that children were being petrified under Dumbledores watch, meanwhile Malfoy was only scratched by Buckbeak. Furthermore, Hagrid was the exact same person who took Malfoy out to the Forbidden Forest as punishment two years earlier and *left him on his own with just his - as admitted by Hagrid himself - cowardly dog as protection.*
If Malfoy was going to try and get Hagrid fired over anything you would think that would have been the thing to do it.
Dumbledore did not actively do anything that allowed students to get petrified. The case against Hagrid would be that he brought in a dangerous animal around students and didn't have enough safety precautions to prevent students being injured. Obviously we know Malfoy provoked Buckbeak, but hippogriffs are still dangerous creatures and the fact that he brought it in and a student got injured by it in his very first lesson, sets a pretty bad case against Hagrid, especially considering his past record where just getting the job in the first place would have been no small thing
"Man, do people get mad when you say this series isn't perfect." Truer words have never before been spoken. Full disclosure: I *love* this series, and I think JK is a master of the craft. There, I hope that's enough to save me in the comments. ;)
Harry Potter is fantastic and has some really lovable characters and a great setting but like anything, it isn't perfect by any means. That's ok. It is entertainment and doesn't need to be perfect.
@@stevencundy4501 Couldn't agree more.
My biggest issue with this book is Lupin forgetting to take his medicine (stupid) and then leaving the Marauders Map on his desk without deactivating it. Him being a werewolf has been the center of his life since he was a kid; no way he would forget to drink that potion. And he literally created the map and put easy protections in place to wipe it clean, and yet he not only forgets to turn it off, but leaves it in plain view for Snape to see.
I think hagrid might have reacted how he did because he feels as though he's always one misstep away from being fired. I know that dumbledore would not treat him that way but I feel like Hagrid feels that way anyways due to his insecurity. This is his first year teaching and his first class with his favorite students (maybe first class ever idk) and someone that he knows is connected to very powerful people just got hurt in his class. He knows Malfoy is a bully and he knows for a fact the kind of person Lucius is so idt the way he reacted was that out of pocket.
The hallways in the school are sometimes in other places, also the staircases switch on different parts of the day. I think they weren't used to the rout from the class cause it changed. About Lupins boggart, he might be so terrified he couldn't riddicule it for long.
I love these books as well. However,I personally really enjoy watching you tear them apart with observations that I either missed or would have never made. They're enthralling and well written books, but by nature of the types of magic and their applications in the story, there were probably always going to be problems with the overall cohesion of its logic.
I love these videos!
The speculation about the Marauders being the only ones who can see each other is a decent theory, but that can't be true because Harry sees Peter's name, and probably Lupin at some point when he's checking where everyone is. I'd have to go back and reread the book to be sure about Lupin but we know he sees Peter.
You're greatly missing one very important part of on the time travel. IT'S CLOSED LOOP TIME TRAVEL. This means that the person from the future is ALWAYS meant to come back and influence the past. Nothing is being altered Back to the Future style. When the trio are for the first time moving down to Hagrid cabin, they stay out of the Entrance Hall for a moment because they hear footsteps and a door closing. This was future Harry and Hermione hiding so they would not be seen. The past trio heard MacNare hit something with his axe. This was always him furiously driving it into the fence because Buckbeak was gone. There are many subtle clues in the text that explain how the time travel in this instance is looped. And the looped time travel is evident through all the book. Hermione was diligently making certain that she was not seen when she went back in time, so that she was always maintaining a stable time loop that did not alter the past, and in fact made it so that she was destined to travel back in time. Everything was orderly. This is also why she did not go back to her class. Had she gone back to her missed Charms class, she would have altered the past, which was strictly against the rules that she was set.
We must also give Dumbledore some credit in this. He clearly deduced how things had been influenced by Hermione beforehand, and so set things into motion. In fact he might have even noticed Harry and Hermione in the garden through Hagrid's window, delaying things so that they had time to get away. Of course Dumbledore would be all for saving Buckbeak, and then, realizing that Hermione was in two places at once, sent her on her mission to expressly save Buckbeak and use him to rescue Sirius. Now, it is true that he could have simply changed time with the Time Turner, but I imagine that Dumbledore, much like Hermione, would be leery of altering the past, even for the sake of capturing Pettigrew. There was no way of knowing how things would have played out if the loop had been broken.
The problem with closed loop time travel is it's a loop. Once she time travels that's ALL she can do. She'd be living the same hour over and over again. Even if she is in 2 places at the same time she's still only one person. She's in 2 places at the same time to US not to her. For her every time IS the first time. At the end of the class she'd have no choice but to rewind time and relive it or she never will.
@@MamaMOB Not really. With looped time travel you just create a second version of yourself (Future you).
At "the end/beginning of the Loop" past you will go back in time and starts the loop again while future you goes on as if nothing happened.
@@She-Devil94 there is no "future" you its alwsdy PRESENT you. Like she said its always the first time for Hermione doing something .
@@Theserendipitywritingstudio I just named them Future you and past you to make it less confusing.
Both are present you but only for themselves. But one is older than the other.
For example:
If you first go to Divination then use the timeturner and go to Arithmancy the version of you in Divination was not in Arithmancy yet and will use the timeturner afterwards to do so. The version of you in Arithmancy was already in Divination and will go on afterwards.
Then why is it such a dangerous thing and kept under such protections if it's a safe little loop?
If something only happens because it was always going to happen, then why does time traveling actually even matter?
There's no good explanation for any side of this.
The part your talking about lupin and the boggart thing the reason the spell ridiculous doesn’t work is because he doesn’t think anything is really that funny
A lot of interesting points!
I think the permission slips are about liability insurance. Forbidden Forest, Quidditch, Triwizard are all on Hogwarts grounds. Hogwarts insurance must not cover field trips!
And as for Hagrid, I felt like the reason he was so fearful was to show the power of money and status against the little guy.
Yeah, this is a problem I've noticed more recently, to me at least, it seems as though Rowling only really planned around Harry's specific classes, sometimes others but pretty much only paying attention to his year of students.
Unless the teachers are using Time Turners as well, the amount of staff to student ratio is drastically small.
You mentioned Seamus! (another TH-camr I follow)
Edit: it’s Seamus GorMan not GorDan
8:57 I agree that Lupin is very talented, but Lupin never became an animagus, because the whole point of them becoming Animagi is to accompany Lupin. Besides, it's phisically impossible for a werewolf to become an Animagus, because one of the steps of becoming an Animagus is to keep a Mandrake leaf inside your mouth for a month, and it's impossible to keep the leaf in your mouth in wolf form
The whole secret keeper thing completely confuses me. They specifically say that the secret can’t be tortured out of the keeper. So why would Sirius switch it to Peter? He says he would have died to protect the potters... sooo he clearly was willing to be tortured and not give up the secret. Sounds like the perfect secret keeper to me! But then when dumbledore dies I think they say Grimauld place isn’t safe anymore since the secret keeper died? (Been a while since I’ve read these books) so I guess if Voldemort would’ve killed Sirius and he was secret keeper then the secret isn’t a secret anymore? But then why wouldn’t they have picked someone random that they trusted but that wasn’t known as one of their best friends. Then Voldemort would never find the right person to go after... I’m confused.
When the secret keeper dies, everyone that was told the secret by the keeper becomes secret keepers themselves. So it multiplies the keepers that could reveal the information.
So I'm guessing that the time turner only lets you go back a few hours, her nap might have been longer than that time
HERMIONE CAN'T CHANGE TIME! That's the issue with closed loop time travel. Hermione can't go back in time to take the Charms lesson because she was told by Harry and Ron that she missed the lesson. If she did, she would change the past which is not allowed. But again, this assumes the Cursed Child is not canon. Great video though! I've been binge-watching this playlist :)
So it happens that I am on the 7th book and I started rereading too. I was on the 3rd book when you posted your 1st doesn't make sense video.
Every time since I started reading I would rant on my husband that now that I have more experience with Fantasy, Harry Potter falls short.
Even tho this is the book that made me start reading books in general, it opened a whole new world for me.
First time I read it I was 8!
Now on the 7th book for my 30th Bday my mom is getting me The Tales of Beedle the Bard, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages .
You helped me not only being ok with all the things that bother me but actually love the series despite their flaws.
Everything you say about the Time Turner makes a lot of sense! I always thought it was excessive to have one given to a young student, but you go into in-depth analysis and it's really making me think about this more!
About Lupin and his boggart not going away: I"m thinking there might be a possibility that he is actively preserving the boogart because there aren't too many available in the castle and he wants to keep it for a next group/class (I seem to remember something about him needing to chase one down for practice with Harry). Probably convoluted anyway ;)
As for Hagrid freaking out over Buckbeak "attacking" Malfoy (let's be real it was a justifiable bitchslap) - probably it was the first time he realized that he's basically negligent and puts the students in real danger. Breaking your leg during PE is not the same as e.g. being mauled by a rabid dog the teacher brought for a petting session. The first one comes with the territory.
Why can't Hermione see herself when she's time travelling if she knows that she's the one messing with time?
Imagine for one moment what might happen to the universe if future you walks up and says something, something that you'll have to repeat later. But now you decide, I'm not gonna do that, I'm gonna say something different. Now imagine for one moment it's not even something said but something done, a brush of the hair, a sneeze, anything. Literally any incongruity could tear apart the fabric of reality if it is indeed a closed loop system like it appears to be in the books and movies.
@@ABurntMuffin Nothing would change, at least not in the HP universe. For very few exceptions which seem to have more to do with inconsistent writing than changing rules, the Time Turner seems to obey the laws of causality when it comes to Time Travel. That is it is a closed loop. When you travel back in time, you can't actually change anything because it already happened.
We see this very thing happen with Harry when he saves himself. You will note that while Harry was reeling from all of the dementors, he absolutely saw himself - whom he mistook as his father - casting the patronus. He broke the one rule that you said would cause a cascade paradox. Yet there were no negative consequences.
This would be similar to Hermione meeting herself. Anything she said to herself would have been the same thing she had heard in her past. Nothing would change based on that meeting - that is because nothing could change. Time has already been written and you can't affect it in a closed loop.
@@felixfeliciano7011 That was a very long comment to say "I don't understand." You're not wrong about a closed time loop, but that's not the issue here. Theoretically it is totally possible to create a closed time loop in which you can never escape and it is also totally possible to alter a 'closed time' loop if you're the initial condition, or patient 0. Think of it this way, if you break all possibility of creating a closed time loop, then the timeline you start and end in are no longer the same timelines and the reality you initially left will be forever without you. You can totally attempt to create a closed time loop but mess it up.
There's 2 scenarios. Scenario #1 would entail you accidentally running into yourself. Since that never happened to you in the past, you're now in a different timeline ala the butterfly effect. Scenario #2 requires you to have the plan to meet yourself, so then it happens. Your future self comes to you to say something. That can work. The problem here is if you also make the conscious (or stupid) mistake of saying something different or not saying it at all, you also end up in a different time line. Neither of those scenarios are closed timelines because you are, in the end, not replacing yourself but another version of you. Hope that makes more sense.
@@ABurntMuffin You cannot have alternate or different timelines in a closed time loop.
A closed time loop or time travel that obeys causality does not allow for changing the past. You cant "mess up" what was always going to happen in the first place. You cannot "attempt to create" a closed time loop. It is a concept of time travel, not a situation or circumstance you can find yourself in. Either time is a closed loop, or it isn't. You cannot have it and then lose it or not have it and gain it.
@@felixfeliciano7011 Sure but it's still not a closed loop by default. Closed loops only come about when conditions are met and THAT is why it is dangerous to mess with time. Now you're just purposefully misreading.
I'm guessing the permission slip is because they're leaving the teachers supervision? Best explanation I have at least.
I think the spell, Ridiculous, needs laughter to work..
A boggart does
I've been loving your reviews of the books, I have been rereading all the books at least once a year for the past 12 years (it's been kind of a christmas tradition of mine by now) and before that I always re-read before each new book release.
I just wanna comment on the Hagrid being so scared of losing his job at the Buckbeak situation: I'm a teacher myself and just last year I started teaching at the biggest/most prestigious school in my town and it truly is nerve-wrecking. The pressure of wanting to keep my job at this important school is so much that every minor mistake put me in an anxiety attack that I started not wanting to go back because I was afraid that the moment I set foot in the school they would fire me.
Hogwarts is such a huge school and so prestigious in the wizarding world, allegedly the only one in England, and this is Hagrid's first year in a job that he himself has clearly a lot of respect for, plus he has such awe and respect for Dumbledore that he would not want to disappoint him. This job is SO important that he is afraid any minor mistake will send him packing, especially considering he is not a "graduated" citizen, he's a half-giant, he probably knows the tantrums that parents probably threw, so yeah, it is totally plausible for him to be that scared over a scratch.
I really hope you read this, I've been admiring you and your work for a very short amount of time, but I already love your channel.
After hearing your rant about the time turner, I can't wait to hear you rant about Harry being forced to participate in the tri wizard cup.
I was thinking the same thing. Perversely, I love how pointlessly convoluted Voldemort's whole plot was in that book -- he's so extra.
What was it again? "Both parties of the contract (ministry, Hogwarts, Harry, etc.) wanted him to get out of it, but "we must honor the contract" as if it's the unbreakable vow.
@@FrenkieWest32 well that was the deal "binding magical contract" they don't really explain what this means, but the implication is that Harry has no choice once his name comes out of the goblet
@@lordteensie6156 yeah, but a "binding contract" usually means that one party cannot dissolve it, not that both cannot dissolve it. I cannot imagine any possible reason as to why you'd want a contract that is binding even if both parties want to cancel it.
@@FrenkieWest32 but the other party is the goblet of fire
I always thought that the reason why it took them so long to find Mcgonagall's it’s bc the stairs are always changing, so the ways to get to someone’s class are not necessarily the same every time. Also, the classroom might not have been the same.
They don't actually change the timelines when they go back in time. Everything they do when they go back in time, they did the first go-round, too. Hermione hit Harry in the head with the rock the first time. Buckbeak never got killed, it just looks like he did. Harry was there to save himself and Sirius. It isn't like "Back to the Future" where Marty goes back in time and keeps changing things that affect the future. It's a static loop that doesn't change.
All that said, time travel really sucks and I hate it and I wish she had never put it in the books because all it does is create problems.
@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles No, they didn't. They saw an axe drop but the guy just chopped a pumpkin.
They_Call_Me_ Pebbles Dumbledore says that because they still needed to save them - even though it already happened. Get it? It’s the same with Harry saving himself by casting the patronus: he needed to do it, even though it already happened.
Regarding your second question - nobody got sad over a pumpkin. They thought buckbeak had been killed, because the mistook hearing the pumpkin being axed for the actual execution.
Been waiting for this video!! Looking forward to GoF next!
What bothers me:
1. Lupin ran straight to Harry when he saw Sirius chasing him. But he didn’t take the map with him but instead left it out..... unveiled. For anyone to read. Which Snape conveniently did so he could take them back to the ward later. Because yeah plot contrivances.
2. Lupin’s friends became Animagi to help him cope with his werewolf curse. When they were together, they would help him keep a sound mind. Yet when he goes full werewolf when they exit the Whomping Willow, Sirius is unable to keep him tame in his dog mode.... because I guess it’s not working anymore?
3. My biggest Lupin grievance in this book: why and how did he forget to take his potion? I know the issue at hand was pressing but still. I guess he had a scheduled time he took it. But even so. Why in the world would missing one day cause him to lose his mind when he does transform? If he takes it everyday leading up to the full moon, how is missing one day going to cause him to completely lose his sense of self once he transforms? Maybe lose a piece of it, sure, but all of it?
Still my favorite character from my favorite book of the series.
Here are my 2 cents on the things that you commented about:
1. I think Lupin ran to Harry when he saw Peter on the map, not Sirius. It makes sense to forget about everything else and run as fast as you can when you see someone return from the dead.
2. We weren't told if Sirius could tame Lupin on his own - the same goes for James. Which makes me think that Sirius and James could only tame Lupin when they were together, not on their own.
3. I don't have anything to say about this point. :D
I'm not picking a fight, I just wanted to share my thoughts.