I admire the way Alex is so open and fair in how he interviews and he`s not afraid to push a little or challenge the interviewee, that`s what makes this such a great and fruitful conversation!
I admire how Dawkins isn't opposed to be pressed or challenged on his views and keeps them firm. That's what makes this such an insightful and beautiful conversation!
@@Filosofos1some people around the world type on different types of keyboards. If you type on a Danish/Swedish/Norwegian keyboard, the actual apostrophe sign is quite difficult to find because those languages don’t really use apostrophes.
This was to me the big cop-out for the representation of the New Atheism movement. I grew up as a teenager in the 2000's and I was addicted to watching videos of Dawkins and Hitchens, while never letting go of my Christian background. The great virtue of the Four Horsemen and New Atheism movement in general, I thought, was the desire to question everything and willingness to put their ideas to the test in debate. I admired these people for their courage to ask the questions most Christians I felt were cowardly to ask. However, when William Lane Craig appeared on the stage all manner of excuses suddenly appeared. Polly Toynbee pulled out of the debate, Andrew Copson the head of the Humanist Association made the bizarre statement on radio that he felt it was a waste of time to debate William Lane Craig yet encouraged atheists in the audience-to-be to challenge and put to task Craig's views. Dawkins himself was happy to meet with Young Earth Creationists and random American preachers for his documentaries, yet when a philosopher of religion came to his own home turf he backed out by saying Craig was too horrible a person to share the stage with. This in spite the fact that he very regularly spoke with people he disagreed with and people who shared morals he would call evil. In short, it was an excuse to avoid his objections to God being put to the test by someone he feared was potentially able to grill him.
Or… more likely, he simply doesn't care to take the time to debate Craig and his philosophical bloviating because Dawkins recognizes that you can’t philosophize a god into existence with word salads and blatant assertions built on more blatant assertions, which has pretty much been the entire point of WLC’s career after he openly admitted that the only thing that convinced him was “the witness of holy spirit”, which holds no merit outside of Christian circles and certainly holds no merit in academia. Craig is a professional word twister, and that’s why Dawkins won’t debate him; all Craig has are arguments without evidence
Well Richard is eight years older than Craig and he's getting weaker with age as everyone else. Second I think that arguing for deism (That there is an impersonal, meaningless intelligence holding the world together) and Christianity are two different things but they are often conflated and even if Dawkins has a hard time with some argument for deism it does not justify the teachings of Christianity but the audience would not necessarily see it that way. It is completely meaningless to me if I learn that there is a slothful intelligence behind the world's creation just like it was meaningless for ancient people not to know how the physics of gravity work. You cannot have a meaningful personal relationship with gravity or the law of thermodynamics or the way snowflakes are formed; those are simply explanations for banal things we see every day. Saying that there must be a God and even proving it is no different to me than proving that there must be some force keeping the blood pumping in my veins; it's nice to know but it ultimately won't change my philosophical outlook on life. The theory of blood circulation did not lead to new religions. As for the Christianity thing more specifically from an atheist perspective it's no different than arguing for the virtuousness of a guy called Bob who lives in his mother's basement and allegedly has a rich criminal history. Bob never shows up when questioned and it's always his mother at the door answering questions for him. If Bob is so powerful why does not he get off his butt and at least prove that he's not skeletonized or mummified in the basement? It's intellectual masturbation where one guy is arguing for the Occam's razor type of explanation and one is wasting his intelligence on endless excuses for Bob; in the end nothing is changed; some people will keep joining Christianity for social reasons and those who don't live out those emotional moments never will because normally nobody is intellectually convinced by Christianity but many are intellectually deconverted. Some of these theology people are very bright and it's such a waste to see their intelligence being used to defend Bob instead of contribute to humanity and unlike atheism Christianity in the west has a very long institutional tradition of coming up with clever defenses of Bob whereas in my country we only had freedom of religion in the 20th century and the protestant church still enjoys massive privileges where theology programs are basically clandestine apologetics to benefit the clergy. Imagine if atheism or maybe more specifically anti-Christianity had such a long and forceful as well as forced tradition. I would not be surprised if there are people who can argue Dawkins to bits. It still does not make Bob get off the couch and prove that he's alive much less justify his indolence. A superhuman alien species could land on earth right now and make an incredible argument for some complete nonsense that even our brightest philosophers could not refute because of their superhuman intelligence but that would not make the rubbish real.
Richard Dawkins conveniently forgot about his debates with John Lennox. John exposed his “rationality from irrationality” argument but he left that bit out.
@user-kc7xk6wy2z when a scientist has a hypothesis, they don’t go find reasons that it works and call it good. The only way to gain confidence and be academically taken seriously is by attacking your own beliefs and trying honestly to disprove your own ideas. You do this by partly by honestly and rigorously studying counter arguments and alternative explanations. If he didn’t take the time to learn about opposing views so deeply, he wouldn’t be anywhere near as convincing and his arguments would be much weaker. I’d encourage you to try challenging some of your own deeply held beliefs as well, it’s very rewarding.
@user-kc7xk6wy2z Alex has said before that he wants to be a Christian and that he is in a state of "non-resistant non-belief". Thus if God reveals himself to Alex, he would happily believe. To him, it's the hiddenness of God that makes him fairly sure that God does not exist.
@@euclid9492 Spot on. I struggle when I hear Christians and other theists talking about how their faith has been challenged. It nearly always seems to mean that they have had to work at convincing themselves they're on the right track. With good science, having your views challenged by evidence or reason is exactly what you're seeking. The first approach will always be far inferior to the second.
@@adriansims9770 that is one of the reasons I appreciate him. I have a Master of Divinity and an MA in Philosophy from a Southern Baptist seminary. It was when I wrote a paper on the Hiddenness of God that I realized how to explain what my real concerns about God were.
@user-kc7xk6wy2z Hi! Another Christian (modern one) here... I can´t speak for Alex, but the question (even if you don´t believe in God) are around why we are here, who am I, is there a purpose, what is right and wrong... and I think Alex is interested of those questions. Sure Alex does a little bit of money, but I think he is less out there for money than what for example Dawkins is. What I like about Alex is that he, in CONTRAST to many other atheists, reflects on things, and try to check the views from OTHER perspectives. He also LISTENS and in my view TRIES to understand, even if he might have the opposite idea. When it comes to Dawkins, I feel he is ignorant, and out to bash everything Christian... and become a "hero" among atheists, instead of discussing real questions. Who knows, maybe Alex is further in the journey than I and you are?
Pretty rich Dawkins accusing someone else of being pompous. While at the same time simply declaring no one in the world has any argument against his position worth considering. Because, you know, I'm right. End of discussion. Quite a master debater!
😂Yeah, he's so good, he... "transcends" debate. 😂 Can you imagine if Craig took the same stance (no opposing arguments worth considering)? He'd never hear the end of it from the Dawkins crowd!
WLC is fundamentally flawed on objective moral values - as Alex has proven, a theist has no choice but to be a moral relativist regarding the Bible. There is a lot those people did, under what they believed was a divine mandate, is intolerable in our day and age
Or it could be that a belief based on unjustified belief is a bad argument? Would it be arrogant for a person who debated flat earthers to say there are no good arguments for a flat earth?
While I think it's wrong to avoid conversations, it's a simple fact that all major arguments for god are illogical and their logical errors have been explained to theists for years. So in that respect it's definitely true nobody has any compelling argument. I just think it's still worthwhile to keep having the discussion, as there are still millions left who haven't heard the reasons that believers' reasons for believing are illogical. As long as _some_ still have these conversations, that's important (at least until religious belief falls below 5-15% or something, where it's so irrelevant that debunking it isn't as important).
@@majmage Why do we have eyes? Ears? Teeth? An ass? Sperm? It's so we can see, hear, chew, shit and make babies. That my friend is by design. You atheists are the dumb ones, despite how smart you like to think you are.
As a Christian, mad props to Alex. What a stand up gentleman that displays courage respectfully. A display that I personally think makes a good and honest man.
Also, I appreciate Alex pressing this question and maintaining integrity based on what have been two very positive interactions between Alex and Craig (the two make a great discussion pair).
Afraid is probably not the right word, but I certainly think he should be wary of it. WLC is quite skilled in the art of debate by simply using a reassuring voice and a lot of repetition and apparent certainty. I've heard many people pick apart his arguments, but that doesn't bother him a bit when on a debate stage, he keeps to his script, and for easily convinced people, that can certainly sound convincing. It's quite easy to pick apart the Kalam Cosmical Argument, for example, but it is a bit technical - and if WLC takes the stage after you and just claims that you in fact DID NOT pick it apart, but rather it stands, "as you all can agree", well then it might just sound like he won the debate.
The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
Dawkins lack of knowledge in the field would have been exposed by WLC. That is why he gives a really poor excuse for not debating him.... Alex's questions bring out Dawkins' inconsistencies.
Nah bc Dawkins himself has said arguments from the fine tuning of the universe is what would make him believe in a discussion with Francis Collins. Basically saying people like John Lennox, Francis Collins and Sy Garte aren’t formidable how arrogant is this man Dawkins
Fine tuning? Like God's perfect creation having an immune system that can target its OWN host? Bloody fantastic work These types of arguments come from people who say god does things perfectly as well. The idiot didn't even succeed with his little Eden project, even though he knows the outcome before it even occurs. Derp.
As a Christian, I enjoyed this discussion, and I applaud you Alex for having a reasoned and positively fair and polite approach to both believers and non-believers. Keep up the good work!
@@AllenAnderson-b6t because it's more probable to think that we came from something rather than nothing. This entity we call God but could be anything equivalent
@@AllenAnderson-b6t Read The Essence of Christianity by Ludwig Feuerbach. God is just a manmade concept. Haha it's the best our species bound by language and limited reason can do!
@@AllenAnderson-b6tI’ll bite. In the Christian belief, God doesn’t “come from” anything. God is a preexisting entity unbound by our observations of the constraints of space and time, as, of course, a creator of said concepts. God always has, and always will exist, the beginning and the end. As for why I believe, it’s ultimately personal. I did grow up in a Christian home, so you might discount my beliefs entirely, but over time, I did my own study into the subject. I found that, in reading the Bible and in meditative prayer, I would feel a divine peace come over me. There were times additionally where I felt a stirring in my heart for something greater, and God was there. Whether you believe or not is your own choice, ultimately. However, I would encourage you to explore the religion for what it truly is, asking theologians and priest questions to obtain a fuller understanding of the belief system rather than the views of exclusively other atheists. As a Christian, it is well worth it for me to understand my own beliefs deeper by seeing atheist critiques, and I believe it has only made me a more devout believer. Either way, God bless, and have a fantastic day.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over....
Richard Dawkins doesn't debate. He smooches up to people who agree with him, and oozes contempt for people who don't. He feels that people who don't agree with him are diseased. Why would he take them seriously? What he likes is a young man like Alex showering him with adulation, never asking him a difficult question. He enjoys that above anything else. He doesn't suffer fools and he decides who is and isn't a fool. And ironically, he says he doesn't want to be remembered above as an atheist. You have to admit, that's kinda funny!
@@monikasmithsonian2985 Not really, they were all pretty easy lobs. Also, you can tell they're basically in agreement when Alex sniggers at the mention of some of the people they mention. If you think this was a serious interview, I believe you are mistaken. All it does, is show us what a cantankerous and intollerant individual Richard Dawkins really is.
@gertstronkhorst2343 I disagree. You sound like you have a bias against Dawkins for some emotional reason. He's just a form of British that seems cantankerous. Not to mention the fact that he's stuck on the edge where evolutionary biology often conflicts with dogmatic religious fanatics. This is a frustrating place to find one's self if you're simply after truth, and you find yourself constantly running into people trying to stifle it.
@@Hstevenson69 He literally says he has contempt for people who don't agree with him. Surely you're not suggesting that there is one truth, that science only can uncover, are you? Also, calling me emotional is such a weak thing to do, such a feeble attempt to invalidate my opinions about this. Do you usually do that?
I appreciate how much you are willing to push against or poke at anyone. You ask pointed questions aimed at the ideas, not the people, who are the subject of discussion, and keep things respectful. You also wait patiently for answers, you clearly aren’t trying to pull gotcha’s to get a win, but instead forcing your interviewee to consider and explain their position in regards to other viewpoints or their other positions. So refreshing to see.
WLC employs logical arguments when he debates. I mean logical argument in the strict technical sense of the term. That's very rare in a debate. To those who haven't studied logic however he may sound like he is talking nonsense. They don't have the intellectual tools to follow the detail of what he is saying. Calling a logical argument "pompous" is not a refutation of anything. RD makes himself look very weak here.
@alk7393 “A skilled sophist will happily couch an unsound argument in seemingly valid terms.” WLC’s career in a nutshell. He even knows that there’s no convincing evidence for God so he relies on argumentation to “prove” that God exists, which I’m sure he’s aware that you can’t philosophize God into existence. God either exists or doesn’t exist, and no amount of philosophical arguments will change whichever one of those is true
@@loganleatherman7647 Unfortunately so many seem unable to see through his tiresome rhetoric and are actually bamboozled enough to praise it as something far more sophisticated than the faded window dressing it so obviously is.
@@ETM2024 "A skilled sophist will happily couch an unsound argument in seemingly valid terms." Can you explain this further, please? Do you mean "valid" and "sound" here in the technical senses of the words? A deductive logical argument can be incorrect in two ways: It can be invalid, meaning that incorrect rules of inference were used, or unsound, meaning that it rests on untrue premises. (Or both.) In what way does WLC get it wrong?
@@dgphi It's not specifically a WLC problem, more like every single argument for god depend on unverified premises, that's why they're unsound, but WLC is skilled in expressing them as logical facts. They're not easy arguments to analyze so in a quick debate the one using such a trick has the advantage.
I honestly would not be surprised if it was because Christians are subscribing to his channel. There has been a rise in interest around Christianity recently. I'm a Christian and I really enjoy his content.
@@Navyfrog22 His version of the Kalam Cosmological Argument - basically everything must have a cause, so the universe must have a cause which is in itself causeless, and so that must be god because god doesn't have a cause (even though everything must have a cause). And then to stop the argument ceasing at Deism he makes this god a personal god because the wheels set in motion would lead to us (as if that even slightly matters). It's wall to wall bullshit. Hitchens struggled a little because his strengths are not in cosmology, but essentially beat him handedly by calling out the internal inconsistencies in WLC's claims.
@@Navyfrog22 If you really look at it, the claims he supports are even more extraordinary than magic. I'll only explain how if someone requests it. Otherwise, I don't feel like dropping a miniature essay in the comment section is a good idea in this context.
@user-sb3zm1cq8l Probably not. John Lennox largely just makes emotional appeals because Christianity makes him feel emotionally comforted and existentially secure. The vast majority of his arguments boil down to “I believe in God because I can’t/don’t want to imagine a universe without God”
Lennox is sort of the santa clause version, the soft voice trying to put a good face on a genocidal dictator. From those who are more capable of seeing through the marketing it's not exactly convincing. If God is real and sends Lennox to hell then Lennox must agree that it's the right thing to do. What a fantastic faith
@@silent_shoutIn Orthodox Christianity(Easteren Orthodoxy) ,the consider the original sin as ancestral sin(the plague of sin being past by generation) so his idea is not so far fetched.
But he is still a better “Stand-In” for the side of Christianity than most layperson Christians. Facts are facts, and beliefs can only alter the perception of facts.
I like how our side is always expected to be cordial, respectful, and accommodating. Meanwhile, Christians routinely threaten us with eternal torture. 🙄
Awesome job hosting this discussion, Alex. I am familiar with you from your interactions with WLC and Douglas Murray (to name a couple), and I have always found you to be one of the most articulate and fair voices even though your personal beliefs are often different than mine. I really appreciate your intellectual integrity and respectful demeanor. On the flip side, I was surprised that Dawkins suggests that Christians should say that unsightly OT events simply never happened. That would be disingenuous. If they hold to the veracity of the OT as a historical text, they absolutely ought to wrestle with the ramifications. I can respect anyone who says “is this true, and if so, then what?” But I can’t respect someone who says “I wish this weren’t true, so I will conveniently pretend it is not so.” Dawkins’ promotion of this kind of self-serving expediency seems to be a reflection of his own character.
I'm no theologian, but I don't think Dawkins means Christians should say it never happened if they actually believe it did. I think he may interpret these Biblical stories as simply stories, not intended to be taken as true. I was never a believer, but I was brought up in the UK so am most familiar with the C of E that Richard Dawkins was brought up in, and which is the least dogmatic set of beliefs I know of!
How about “we know this isn’t true, from Jewish mythologists, historians and archaeologists, so we can ignore the ridiculous claims up until at least King David.” That’s honest and supported by all the evidence ever encountered, so without invoking one’s lack of respect for the believer, can it be pointed out that the beliefs, themselves, deserve no respect?
Many Christians do not hold to the veracity of the OT as a historical text. First and foremost because many of the books are demonstrably not intended as historical text. E.g: WLC does not take the OT as historical text (or at least not in its entirety), highlighting in particular the start of Genesis as "Clearly False" if taken literally.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over.....
As someone said earlier here, it is rich of Dawkins to describe someone as having a pompous voice. In his autobiography Dawkins repeatedly,time and time again reminds the reader that he (Dawkins ) is a ''Balliol man'' . In fairness to Alex, he point out that his experience of William Lane Craig was not how Dawkins describes.
I appreciate how knowledgeable Alex is of the Christian defenses as shown by his responses to many of Dawkin's points (i.e. taking whole bible literally vs. genres of literature in the Bible). Imo it shows a more genuine attempt to understand and critique rather than be satisfied with easily rebutted points.
The only two people that Craig had a hard time with were Hitchens and Harris. Thirty years and as far as I know, only 2 people came close to beating him.
@@movie-mandan The only reason Craig had a “hard” time with them is because of how dumb and ignorant both of them were regarding the topic of the debate. They had some talking points but were not prepared to engage Dr Craig at the level of a scholar.
Nice work, Alex, on pressing Dawkins on this issue. WLC has been very critical of Dawkins published work (esp. The God Delusion) and has exposed his philosophical naivete. I don't blame him for wanting to avoid a debate with WLC. It would not go well for Dawkins.
He’s pretending on this issue as well, because he will debate any Christian that clearly lacks debate skills or education. He’s like a boxer that has a high win average because he purposely picks less skilled boxers to fight. To act as if it’s because he’s too smart to debate anyone on this topic is clearly false, he’s done it his entire career.
@@silent_shout What a load of nonsense. It’s not a game Dawkins is playing! He doesn’t care about ‘winning’ debates. He cares about the truth, is a passionate advocate for reason and cares about the damage fundamentalist religion does.
Just like it didn’t go well for Craig when he debated actual historians or cosmologists where his naive intuitions aren’t considered to be evidence. Craig should debate Dawkins about the historicity of Adam and Eve… where his only argument would be that scientists are biased against the supernatural.😂
@@richarddoan9172 That's exactly why Dawkins should accept a debate with WLC instead of avoiding him. Dawkins' philosophy is amateur and he's completely oblivious to it. Why not have Dawkins defend his position from one of the best philosophers and debaters alive? It seems like that would be the academically honest thing to do.
Richard Dawkins calling someone else pompous is the pot calling the kettle black lol. William always comes off as very respectful in every interview and debate I've seen him in. I can't really say the same of Mr Dawkins. There is literally 0 usefulness from debating Mr Dawkins on anything as he's already admitted that even if "God came down to show Himself to me I would not believe in His existence." Dr Craig is far more than just a "professional debater" and the way in which Mr Dawkins speaks comes off more that he simply just doesn't want interact with someone who actually challenges him from the perspective of being persuasive to the audience.
Never heard that. Have heard him say he's not 100% atheist as it's not possible to completely rule out there being a God, but he hasn't seen good evidence for one.
@Sammo212 Have you seen William L. Craig and "Capturing Christianity" smugly deride Carl Sagan? The way they engaged with Sagan's arguments was anything but respectful. It was rather shocking how poorly they did, yet felt extremely smug about themselves.
@@livrowland171 I have seen him say there is literally nothing that could happen that would prove the existence of any god. No matter what happened, no matter who or what showed itself to him he would not believe they were god. That's peak atheist into the real of anti-theist.
It's not challenging, his "logic" lacks evidence, and it's utterly unconvincing to anyone who works with evidence. WLC is as empty handed as any Muslim or Jewish scholar. It doesn't matter that they took a book report too seriously, it lacks evidence.
Not at all. Dawkins uses actual logic, instead of pompous word salads. Asking an aggressive "intellectual" beliver is like asking an AI robot. You get lots of words out of it, but if you know the slightest about the subject you can immediately see that it isn't even internally coherent.
Alex was spot on; those question Dawkins asked should've been asked to WLC. Whether you like WLC or not, his evangelical views are representative of a huge number of Christians. If you want to change people's minds, deal with their best arguments/arguers.
Some of the top comments are saying some variation of, "Ha, John Lennox beat that ol' Dawkins in their debates!" It's just hilarious to see how differently people view the same debates. Some of Lennox's points were very weak. Towards the end of one of their debates, Lennox asked Dawkins if he didn't *wish* Christianity were true. I don't remember the exact wording but that was the gist. The astonished Dawkins, astonished at such an empty question, responded that of course one might wish something is true but that doesn't make it true. Regardless of which side of the God debate you're on, Lennox had nothing and that argument from Lennox, if we even call it an argument, made that very clear.
Also, if Dawkins has trouble with the debate format Craig is familiar with, avoiding important dialogue is not the answer. Rather, either they find a way to discuss where no one has an unfair advantage, or Dawkins improves his ability to navigate formal debate.
Based on what Dawkins said, it seems he doesn't respect William Craig and so why debate him? It's not like Craig is some kind of genius debater - Dawkins is not afraid of him he just doesn't want to waste his time.
Why not? you dont have debates to make friends, but to make points for those watching. he's debated people he doesn't respect before, but suddenly craig is offlimits? i smell bullshit@@davidmiles6845
Maybe debate him to disprove him? If you're so confident and sure of your beliefs, you shouldn't back out in any case. You should show the problem. Which he isn't doing, because he can't.
@@davidmiles6845 not "respecting" your opponent is not viewed as an excuse for not taking on an opponent in any sport, why should it be an excuse in debating?
It's funny because it's how easily Dawkins and the rest of the new atheists absurd arguments are shown to be fallacious or poorly designed. Dawkins flat out can't debate or produce compelling arguments for his position. That's why he has said he won't debate and says there is no evidence that could ever make him a Theist. He is willingly ignorant. Peter atkins and others have said the exact same thing. This is why the new Atheists have faded into obscurity they are irrelevant.
Dawkins saying that he has so much contempt for Craig that he couldn't stand to be in the same room with him, (even though Craig is one of the friendliest and most cordial debaters out there)---that had me dying, too! I smell fear from Dawkins. Yes, Sir Richard is a scaredy-cat.
@@orangemanbad lol they showed his face as he was present for John Lennoxs' speech on why God must exist at Oxford around a year ago and he looked so old mad and bitter for literally no reason just sitting in the audience it was almost hilarious.
"I won't debate a certain christian because his viewpoints are evil. My materialist worldview doesn't allow for evil to be anything but subjective, but I'm happy to ignore that." 😂
So, evil is objective only if God exists? But, is evil evil because God thinks so, or does God find evil evil because it is evil? (just riffing on Eutyphro). Anyway, there is no particular reason why evil should be metaphysically objective. It's not like people are evil only when they think there is no divine punishment. Plenty of evil has been done in the name of some 'objective' good (by theists and atheists alike).
@@bethezebra I'll give you three secular views: 1) evil is intentional causing of harm, 2) evil is acting against moral law, 3) evil is acting viciously (where vices are defined as traits of character that are at the extremes - cowardice, injustice, etc). These are just three prominent views - utilitarian, kant's and aristotles. There are many others. E.g. you can check out Dancy's 'Ethics without principles'.
@bethezebra The Abrahamic god is evil. --------------------------------------------------------- *This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)
Thank you Alex this was so thought provoking. You showed incredible journalistic and intellectual integrity here, and it's wonderful to see someone on any side of this conversation revealing such an allegiance to truth. I mean no disrespect, but I can't help but feel that you have far surpassed your guest in this regard. Please keep going!
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over....
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over.....
@@Tobi_237Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over...
@@adriansims9770 he is just a godless weak alone person who takes advant from those godless alone weak trash people who run to kiss his dirty ass because they have not God in their life, so they lost all dignity and died inside. No respect for both
What a terrible answer to why you wouldn’t debate someone. “Well I don’t like their voice and their view on history is violent.” I’m sorry but ignorance is not a proper response to not liking something that may have taken place.
It's one thing to not like something that actually occurred. You're correct, if it occurred our opinions of it doesn't affect it having occurred. However if we judge the events to be highly immoral and someone else appears to say they are "good". That's a bit of a different situation. That appears to be akin to what he is saying.
It is is not a terrible answer if you take Richard's WHOLE answer. It's pointing out that if one makes conclusions like that, what other quality of answer will follow, if not only in the interest of "a god" who - WLC says - can do whatever with us and even permits what jihadi's are doing with their terrorizing attacks in the name of "allah". He'll make any excuse to protect a belief in "god", even the most evil and heinous ideas, which if one would do it to another person - without "god" commanding it - WLC would find atrocious. But because "god" told the Israelites, it was not horrendous... even more.. he saw the Israelites as the victims in this ordeal, "having to do" these heinous acts... (cfr. PTSD) There is no sense in debating someone like that. Apart from that I do also sense some "pompous" attitude from WLC, altho I would recognize it more as "condescending". There's also a big difference between interviewing and debating. In an interview one just wants to know the other one's thought, but in debating it's about coming to a greater understanding I would argue, in which DLC will not accept anything else but the things that benefit his "god" in one way or another.
@@cevcena6692 That is not the sole reason. Craig is also not muslim (different religion) and Craig uses a method that is highly corrupt at the core. Jews, Christians, Muslims are not alike. Even among them there are plenty of differences.
@@ManForTodayCraig believes in an old earth and believes Adam and Eve were historical figures in the distant past. Based on current science he suspects them to be homo heidelbergensis (early himinins) that lived around 700.000 years ago. These stories in the old testament of the distant past like Genesis 1-11 - Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Genesis 6 Sons of God, Henoch, Noah's flood, tower of Babel and such he interprets as mytho-history - the people in these stories are historical persons that really lived, but the stories are clothed in mythological motifs as was common practice in ancient Mesopotamian literature such as the Sumerian kings list in which the kings are real people, but the reigns of thousands of years are obviously mythological.
That's a load of projection if I've ever seen any... c'mon, not a single good argument? Even Alex would claim there's definitely some good ones, they made a tier list after all, not enough to convince him but it's kind of hard to stare at thousands of years of philosophy/theology from the Greeks to Acquinas and Leibniz and think it's all a bunch of garbage, smh.
So basically, even though William Lane Craig believes the same things as many of the others that he’s debated, he won’t debate him because he doesn’t like what he believes? Or thinks he is pompous? More to me sounds like he’s just afraid of being made to look like a fool if he looses. Good job, Alex for beginning to press him on the logical incongruity of what he was saying.
The point at 4:42, "Why do children get cancer?" is an important one. But, Atheists simply won't accept the answer. 1) When Adam and Eve sinned, all of humanity and nature fell from grace. Before they sinned, the world was called "very good," by God. At that moment of sin, death was introduced into the world in all its forms. Now, we ALL die. Some die young. Some die old. Some die in pain. Some die peacefully, but nobody escapes death. Nobody is innocent, "not one," as the Bible says. 2) But, for the Christian, that's not the end of the story. Jesus then died in our place to pay our debt. And he died for every single one of us past, present, and future. He reconciled all who are willing to be in a right relationship with God again. 3) One day, everybody who accepts the debt Jesus paid for us and receives Jesus as his/her savior will finally live with God in a place where there is no more death, pain, or suffering. So, the atheists/skeptics take a snapshot of out-of-context death (and blame a God they don't believe in), but the Christian listens to the rest of the story and see that death is temporary, but life is forever. Now, atheists/skeptics don't have to believe that, but it is THE answer. Humans sinned and let evil into the world. Humans broke the world. We are the ones to blame.
You clearly belive that God heals people of cancer, so the whole original sin thing useless as an argument. You have twin girls, they both get cancer. You pray for them. God saves one, but not the other. Great, so God apparently CAN intervene and nullify these effects of original sin... buuuuut only when he feels like it. Why does God only feel like saving some innocent little girl from cancer and not others? Well now, Christians do have an answer for this but atheists, tut-tut, they just don't accept it, that's all - but you know, it's some bullshit about God working in mysterious ways or something? You know, just use that anytime your wondering about all the utterly bizarre shit in the Bible, like personally demanding genocide - down to the babies and even their animals. Or how about God that poor prophet whose bald head was just BRUTALLY mocked by children - but because god has such a tender heart for mocked bald men, he sent out a bear to maul those 42 children to death. I mean, I'm assuming Elijah would have rather God just gave him back his hair, but really now, who could say they wouldn't enjoy watching 42 children get eaten by a bear? I mean, they made fun of his baldness, for fuck's sake!
We don't accept it because to us it sounds just like the reason given for Minnesota's 10,000 lakes. Anything at all can be given an explanation, but that doesn't mean the explanation is the answer.
After deflecting about why he won't debate William Lane Craig and giving every miniscule reason, it would be funny if Dawkins then simply said, "Well, to be honest, Alex. . . I'm afraid William Craig will kick my butt--that's the bottom line, I guess."
Craig would lose as always and use the cheapest sophistry and act pompous and victorious, that's all he ever does and ever will do. Utter nonsense for dull minds.
@@Darfail Yeah, I'm sure that's why Dawkins won't debate him. Because it would be a slam dunk victory for him and why would he want a slam dunk victory?
@aaronstypes4083 Craig's delusional audience will always think he won no matter what. As dishonest and full of cheap tactics as he is, he isn't worth anyone's time, like the rest of these Christian sophists. The best use of Craig is to show non-cultists what they are really up against and this has been done countless times already.
Craig is good at exactly one thing when it comes to debates like this - to bamboozle people who only have casual knowledge about the topic. He is really good at making his stance _appear_ to be oh-so-educated and valid by employing various debating tactics that are _only_ good for exactly that. Hell, until I started to actually look into these things a good bit deeper, I couldn't find any fault in his _arguments,_ I only had a bad taste in my mouth about his methods, without being able to point at anything in particular that was actually bad or faulty. I would _absolutely_ have lost any debate against him, simply because I couldn't see through his tactics. Hell, I'm pretty sure that he'd still be able to pull _some_ tactic out of his bag of tricks to run me over. But that still would simply be that - debate tactics. He's a good showman, but a really, _*really_ bad scientist _when it comes to these debates,_ in part exactly _because_ he using dishonest tactics (whether he is aware of the dishonesty or not doesn't even matter; people lie to themselves often and long enough to believe their own lies, that doesn't mean they're not still dishonest)
@@raqktranjanGod is not shy. If demons tremble at the name of Jesus, He definitely isnt shy of a human 👍. If you truly want to have a relationship with him, you can.
@@marcocortes9968 That might be the most weird argument I have ever heard.. By religion I'm a Hindu, I'm allowed and even encouraged to doubt The existence and even the teachings of God(btw, people might think we have a lots of gods, but it is not that simple) . Ofc we can have a relationship with God if we want as a abstract being inside ourself.. Like a hope giving mechanism.. And btw, shy thing was a sarcastic comment, by which I have tried to imply that there's no way God's coming out, even though, he does, by which sense organ are we gonna sense him (I'm here talking about the Abrahamic God here)? Will he even be emperical? 😅
Dawkins' protestations ring hollow, yet again. Anyone watching this subject unfold over time is left with the distinct impression that Dawkins is desperate to avoid Craig in debate - a logical, if not laudatory, endeavor. Undoubtedly, Dawkins has watched the thorough drubbing Christopher Hitchens endured during his debate with Craig who, incidentally, is a very kind, calm respectful debater. Kudos to Alex for defending Craig's honor against the slander most unjustifiably heaped on him by Dawkins.
Thank you Alex. Your dialogues with WLC are some of my favorite and my experience with him is similar to yours. Craig is a kind, sincere, and humble person. Listening to the bombastic Dawkins act as if Craig were lacking humility is rich.
Alex is wonderful. Great respect for him as he always engages kindly with the other side. Frankly, this is my opinion of Dawkins: he is putting on a facade of humility. Personalities clash, but Craig & Alex have had great conversations, while Dawkins true pride becomes clear. He apparently doesn’t “respect” Craig enough to debate him, but unless someone is an obnoxious jerk who interrupts and gets angry, there isn’t really a reason to have even a discussion! Dawkins comes off as arrogant by claiming Craig speaks pompously, when in fact, he does the exact same thing! “Premise 1” is part of breaking down an argument! So imo, this is just showcasing the arrogance of Dawkins feeling “better” than Craig, who’s purportedly not “worth his time.” 😒
Interestingly, Alex, Craig, and Dawkins - among other prominent names - are supposed to share the same stage, in a panel discussion held at Pepperdine University, sometime this year. Behind the scenes details are still being worked out.
When you are faced with a situation where you are asked to debate WLC. You have only two choices: 1) Accept and be publicly humiliated and lose all the glory and fame and pride you gained all your life. 2) Reject and give some silly excuse, hoping that at least some of your followers are stupid enough to believe you. Dawkins wisely and cowardly chose the latter.
@@adamduarte895 You mean how like Low Bar Bill got exposed by Sean Carroll on his lack of knowledge on cosmology? This is the difference between atheists and theists. Atheists are the rational ones because they demand sufficient evidence before believing. Theists blindly accept "holy" books written by people who thought the Earth was flat and covered by a solid dome and choose emotion over logic. Look up the below from a Biblical scholar: *"Genesis 1:9-10 - God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth!"* - Dr Steven DiMattei If you want to believe in a higher power, fine. I'm open to the idea. Just realise that your position is not evidence based. And speculation, special pleading and "look at the trees" doesn't help you either.
@rafikgl: Completely wrong. Have you watched WLC debate someone like Hitchens? On one occasion WLC struggled to understand the meaning of the word atheist. He’s dreadful.
Alex, I feel you are completely honest in your efforts. Please remain honest. You also make things so intelligible for non-formally trained people like me. I am a Christian benefiting from your good work! 😊
09:10. Theres a video exposing Dawkins where he said that that debate in Mexico Dawkins never considered to be a debate against WLC. So Dawkins is revising history I think.
well WLC was thoroughly flushed out by Mr. Christopher Hitchens, you can refer to that, there is no point in arguing with moronic religious nutters but it must be done when necessary
Of course they can, you can be willingly ignorant based on worldview conviction. This is a pretty obvious thing... As Dawkins has said there is no evidence that would ever convince him of being a Theist. That is willful ignorance.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Being willingly ignorant (as almost all religious people are) is obviously very common. But that is unrelated to whether someone can choose to be convinced or some claim. It's easy to demonstrate that someone (including you) cannnot just choose to believe something. Could you choose to believe the moon was made of cheese? Of "no", then why not? What if you try really really hard to believe it. Then can you? I'd need to know the full context of Dawkin's comment, and what his EXACT words. In "The God Delusion", he said the opposite of what you assert, so I'm skeptical of your claim. Are you sure he didn't say that he doesn't believe there is any evidence that COULD convince him, because if so, then that is just him offering an honest opinion of the existance of sufficient evidence. I also don't believe there exists any evidence that COULD convince me, but if I am ever exposed to sufficient evidence to convince me, then (by definition) I will be convinced. While I got your attention, let me ask if you have any convincing evidence that one or more gods exist?
@@mikehochburns8740 This makes God anything, I mean it’s problematic because we cannot start to define God in any sense because He is “outside” of well… everything and therefore makes this whole thing illogical and mythical. Btw I’m not an atheist I am a theist, but I’m merely pointing out an issue here. Also, if we suggest that both good and evil/bad of any sort is from God, than well He possesses these as qualities within him, as if he were a character, he designed the evil to occur in which case being called “good” falls short in meaning; it doesn’t live up the the notion of the “maximally greatest possible being,” given that if such a being exist He must be superior to the human rational mind not inferior.
Virtually all of Dawkins supposed reasoning for refusing to debate Craig seems more like a sad attempt to avoid debating him, likely because he’d lose. He’d probably have sub par responses to Craig’s cosmological and historical resurrection arguments that he’s concluded it’s better to avoid for the sake of his reputation. If not, then why give so many irrelevant reasons for not debating him considering you think all theist arguments aren’t even convincing but also uncompelling. Surely he’d have the time of his life deconstructing them so effortlessly. Like seriously, being “pompous”, using basic philosophical language (he’s literally a philosopher), and defending a biblical episode which you can’t even objectively consider evil are just so unserious. Anyone, atheist or not, can admit this.
I’d respect him much more had he simply admitted that he’s simply uninterested or ill-prepared because it isn’t his area of expertise. But tbf, if you’ve based decades of your career attempting to deconstruct and expose the irrationality of religion, it isn’t exactly admirable to all of a sudden stay silent when someone provides a robust case arguing for the contrary (while still arrogantly claiming they’re arguments consistently still suck).
I think the main frustration any atheistically inclined debater would have is the admission of not knowing the kind of universe we happen to be in. Whereas, their opponent always knows the kind of universe they’re looking for. In the first case there are pieces to a puzzle that we don’t have the box for, the second knows the kind of puzzle they’re putting together.
I disagree. I think the theistic debater claims to know the type of universe we live in, but they have no basis of actually knowing. On that front, both debaters are in the same boat. No one actually knows.
@@kennybachman35Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over....
@@robwright8949Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people. For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person). It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over.....
You say you don’t know what type of universe we’re in. And that you don’t have all the pieces to the puzzle. Then the moment someone hypothesizes a casual creator you deny it with impolite certainty.
I think it would be a waste of time debating WLC anyway, as he constantly trots out the same time-worn arguments for god's existence. That's why I loved Hitchens' debate with him at Biola, where Hitch goes off the debate format and starts to throw various faith-challenging scenarios at him. You may have found WLC a nice guy Alex, but you stayed within comfortable boundaries and didn't challenge him. I find him to be intellectually bankrupt, as he cannot allow reason and/or logic to damage any of his pre-supp faith-based positions.
@mitchjames9350 So what? Lots of intellectual people still need a refuge for their emotional comfort and/or existential security. This is just a human blind spot and says nothing of any actual truth of the matter outside of theism being useful for emotional comfort and/or existential security
@@loganleatherman7647Scientists (and you seem to love science) ten times smarter than you come to a conclusion and you dismiss it with your absolute certainty about what religion is about. Your display is a thorough example of cognitive bias no matter how much you lots pretend to embrace rationality.
Even if we grant their argument, they still can't rule out deism from their specific religion. Literally all religions can be justified using their criteria
Not really. Actively saying "I believe in X" is not the same as "I cant rule out X". For all I know, theres a flying pig underground on mars. From a science perspective, we arent really gonna consider that, because its not testable. And deism here isnt testable, so its not worth considering. If someone were to believe in something without sufficient evidence, thats where the logic is faulty
Debating on whether or not there is a god and debating what that god is are 2 different debates. Apologists wouldn’t bother to add a whole extra argument into a debate that doesn’t ask for it
There is a huge difference between reluctantly admitting to some abstract view when pressed ('children getting cancer must somehow be good in some way I suppose'), and actively going out of your way to defend a specific atrocity, as Craig does.
I'm pretty sure Dawkins is not "afraid" of debating WLC (or anyone). Indeed, he seems really convinced that it's impossible for the other side to find good arguments. He is really honest by saying that the true reason for not debatting him is that he has no respect for him and finds him despicable.
Well, but anyone can just say they find their opponent despicable and avoid debating. What if it were reversed and WLC refused to debate Dawkins because he considered Dawkins despicable (for reasons x, y and z)? Is that really what we want? Secondly, if Dawkins, as you say, "seems really convinced that it's impossible for the other side to find good arguments", then it would presumably be a total walk in the park for Dawkins - and a great opportunity to rack up an easy victory against one of the most prominent sufferers of the "delusion" he writes about, and by doing so, free many others of the same delusions. Why not go for it?
Tbf, you would think Dawkins was describing Hitler. No one listening to WLC would ever think he was abhorrent. Dawkins is literally the only one making this case
A bunch of atheists left new atheism or atheism altogether from Dawkins wimping out. It was like pulling back the curtain and seeing the wizard in the wizard of Oz.
WLC is definitely more adept at philosophical debates than Dawkins, but he really dropped the ball when he recently claimed that he "lowers the bar" for Christianity. He has also claimed that if he had been told that Christianity offers a 1 in a million chance of being true (or something like that), that he could not pass up on those odds. Basically, WLC admits that he's only a Christian because Christians got to him first before Muslims, Jews or other religions that would offer similar or better odds.
Tell me u have never heard wlc speak without telling me uve never heard him speak He very clearly says that other religions, he specified Islam in that particular debate, they don't have even close to the amount of evidence Christianity does To compare the enormous amount of evidence for Christianity with any other religion, u would have to be brain-dead I didn't even make such arguments when I was an atheist 😂
I'm sorry but please cite where WLC claims/indicates that he would have been Muslim or another religion if they got to him first. That does not at all align with his personal testimony, his doctorate studies, nor his catalogue of authored books, speeches, debates, and so on. One of WLC biggest theological claims is the shock and extensive evidence he found for Jesus' death and resurrections while doing his doctorate studies. The Quran denies Christs death on the cross and resurrections - two claims that WLC defends vigorously and claims have strong historical evidence among both believers and non-believers. This does not sound like a man who based his decision on a first come first serve basis or implied odds but I am willing to be corrected here.
@@ultracrepiderian If I remember correctly, that particular instance was from a podcast, not from a debate. Same podcast where he mentions that he lowers the bar for Christianity, which you conveniently chose not to address. I've heard WLC speak plenty of times and I was not comparing the evidence of one religion vs another. I was addressing two rather weak arguments by WLC.
You might find it helpful to listen to WLC’s follow up responses after he made those particular remarks you’re referencing. I felt it provided sufficient clarification. I’d shy away from viewing only rationally rules content on the matter. Best to hear from the direct source. WLC most certainly has not admitted he’d just as likely believe any of the other religions you mentioned had he had exposure to them first. If he has, provide sources.
I sympathize with Dawkins. Debating apologists has its uses and there are atheists who do that. But debating inevitably leads to debating christian metaphysics or breaking down minor biblical passages. Those arguments work on a certain type of person but there are many who don't care. Having people loudly and eloquently picking out Christianitys flaws without getting into the weeds of apologia is just as important as having debaters like Alex.
I'm with you. I think that there is nothing Dawkins and Craig can talk about. Especially after WLC response to his fan, Kyle: "(...) I thought if there is just one chance in a million that this is true it's worth believing. So my attitude toward this is just the opposite of Kyle's. Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it. I think that this is a message which is so wonderful, so fantastic, that if there's any evidence that it's true then it's worth believing in,(...)"
There’s a conversation hosted by Justin from the Unbelievable podcast between Dawkins and Francis Collins. The entire conversion Dawkins is shown to be puzzled that a scientist much more sophisticated and waaaay more accomplished than him, a scientist with actual scientific work to his name is also a devout Christian. In his conversation with Dr Lennox Dawkins looks like a complete fool who doesn’t understand even the basics of Christian theology. I’m pretty sure Dr Craig would mop the floor with him and he knows it, thus why he’ll never debate Dr Craig.
Richard Dawkins is a respected biologist with much actual scientific accomplishments. Francis Collins is also respected for his biology contributions, but his theological arguments are juvenile.
@@lightbearer313 Dawkins gained notoriety for his publication of the selfish gene, which IS NOT a scientific work. It has no application for daily life, it’s Dawkins making guesses and such about evolution and how the gene operates, which is more like an embellished narrative. Collin’s on the other hand, lead the mapping of the human genome. This was a landmark achievement in human history. An incredible work with innumerable applications for every single field of science, medicine, and such. No one will take you seriously if you attempt to compare both of them at the scientific level. Dawkins is laughable here, Collin’s respected. The predicted attack on his theological views is lame, but expected from internet atheists. You did well.
@@sammyking9407 As much as I like Francis Collins for his support of evolution, let's not pretend he became a Christian for strong intellectual reasons. He saw a waterfall frozen in three streams and took that to be a sign of the trinity and accepted Jesus. If that was enough to convince him of Christianity then I have a bridge to sell him. And stop with this stupid internet atheist meme. A lot of atheists are former believers and know more about the "holy" books and their history than believers, hence *why they're atheists.* Get back to us when you have sufficient evidence for any god, then we can talk. It's been thousands of years and we're still waiting.
@@epicofgilgamesh9964 The topic at hand is not the theological views of Dr Collins, but his status as a proven scientist which surpasses anything Dawkins and you can dream of ever achieving. Which is what Dawkins finds appalling that a scientist by far superior than him is also a committed christian. Now, as a good internet atheists you have done the expected move. Make silly, childish remarks about peripheral issues and ignore the central one. You guys never disappoint and you did ver well here. Congrats.
I'm pretty sure I would wipe the floor with Dawkins in a debate about the existence of God. He just doesn't give a shit about the philosophical debate. He's like an atheist fundamentalist.
I can't tell if the semi praise for WLC in the comments comes from genuine admiration for him or just obessive grasping to shit on Dawkins. Any debate I saw WLC take part in, the only thing that came out of his mouth was pontificating pseudo philosophy with a biblical twist. Seemed like a nice enough guy, but a semi smug snake oil salesman nonetheless.
It is obvious that the real reason why Richard Dawkins refuses to debate with William Craig is that he is afraid to do so. I am a serious student of the Bible and don’t share WLC’s theology in many respects but as the author of a famous book criticizing Christianity (God Delusion), RD has a duty to debate with someone considered the foremost Christian debater of our time. Actually, even if such a debate took place, it wouldn’t have any real value as RD is not an expert on Christianity or any other religion. What I would like to see more is a debate between RD and expert critics of evolution such as Jonathan Wells, William Dembski, Stephen C. Mayer. It is a well known fact that RD has dodged challenges to a debate with such critics under false pretexts. In that sense RD is a con man and a coward, similar to Zakir Naik, an Islamic propagandist, who has carefully avoided debating with expert critics of Islam.
I don’t think that anyone is afraid of debating. You need to evaluate if the debate is worth the time. For RD it’s not and that’s all to it. Anyone pretending to know the reasons that anyone has to reach a conclusion with out asking the person first is just a opinion. If I was a scientist and I’m invited to a debate with a philosopher, I will not waist my time trying to mix oil with water. The problem with philosophical arguments is that they are not falsifiable and can not be proven true or false. It is by definition mental masturbation.
@@robertjimenez5984”your arguments aren’t worth my time.” That wouldn’t fly with literally any other debate or field of study. If the arguments are that laughable they should be easy to dismantle. Dawkins is perfectly happy to waste his precious time on lesser intellects than WLC.
@@BobDingus-bh3pd you talk as if this topic has never been debated. What good will it be to keep hitting a dead horse? Theist presuppose a god and creates arguments upon this presuppose thing. This is not a debate for a biologist or any scientist. They are atheist that are in the philosophical field that are happy to debate people like WLC. Even these debates shows that all they are doing is hitting the dead house to see if it’s alive. But even worst because there is no dead horse. If there is a god, then let this god show it shelf and let’s end this discussion. If it can not show it self then it’s as good as not existing. If it has shown it self to others but not to me, then I am justify to not accept it exists. This is not complicated and debating this is a waist of time.
Every decent theologian and every decent bishop would say that the Bible is not true... what a load of lies... But... This man won't allow someone to question his lies publicly.
Dawkins struggling to give a reason to why he won't debate William Lane Craig without saying "I don't want to because he is intelligent and gives good reason" is absolutely hilarious 😂.
@MontyCantsin5 I did, that's how I came to the conclusion. He is clearly grasping for straws here and I respect Alex alot for pushing him on the issue.
Alex, you are a very smart human being. Thank you for your work. I am atheist since transformation just after reading your guest's book God Delusion and left religion. Now I am happy, free person feeling like throw out a stone from my stomach.
Hmm, OK, but TGD isn't especially convincing. RD is wrong on his 'if God made man, who made God' argument'. What I find unconvincing about Christianity is the absurdity of the atonement.
And bound for hell by rejecting what God said. You are saved when you believe and take God at his word. Believing your creator and accepting his free gift of redemption is true freedom.
Arguing against true believers in superstition can only be fruitless. Pompous? Yeas, to believe in the disgusting slaughter and then defend it is worse than pompous.
He couldn’t answer the question because he hasn’t actually debated any one of notoriety, one on one. It’s all been ether a panel format where there’s too many people to get into the crux of it all, or a tv personality that doesn’t know left from right
Dr Rowan Williams - former Archbishop of Canterbury, Prof John Lennox, Prof Alister McGrath, Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, Prof Francis Collins, Cardinal Pell Bit ignorant are you, kitten?
I had to laugh at the outright honesty you got at 9;26. That kind of sharing is worthy of respect, at the very least. Mr. Dawkins is slowing, but as a pioneer who swam against a very heavy current, I cannot help but still admire the man. Nicely done. 😊
Pioneer of what, exactly? Do you believe he came up with any new arguments for atheism? I can tell you he didn't. Not only that he didn't even read the Bible to check his "facts"
Debating is not how we gain knowledge about the nature of the physical universe. We do it through careful observation and analysis of natural phenomena. When theists can come forward with data about observed natural phenomena that can be analyzed, that in some way can lead to conclusions about gods, then by all means they should present it. Until then they have nothing. Debates are almost entirely for entertainment purposes, which is fine. Let's just be honest about that. Arguably debating can be a means to communicate _already gained_ knowledge to others. But a proper education, sitting in a classroom, in front of an expert teacher, reading textbooks written by the best minds on the subject, is probably better.
@@billwalton4571 If you're going to nitpick then I'll respond in kind. "Analyse" is the British English spelling and "analyze" is the American English spelling. Both are correct. I refer you to the Oxford English Dictionary, which lists both spellings. My copy of the Merriam-Webster dictionary, which gives American spellings, lists only "analyze". Happy now?
Dawkins does not want to debate Craig, because he would need too much time to prepare for it. Craig uses complex and convoluted sophistry, which are like riddles, and he insists that you must solve all these riddles in order to prove him wrong. Moreover, Craig immediately spits many of such riddles at once and he opens several complex subjects, like morality, creation, design, etc. Then he basically states that all these points prove that he is correct, unless you go through each and every one of a thousand points that he has made, which are absolutely all nonsense, and debunk them. You really need to prepare extremely well if you want to beat Craig at his game. Dawkins does not want to do that and it's even arguable whether he would be able to do it even if he wanted.
YES! I totally agree. This needs to be said more. Craig would annihilate Dawkins, but not because he is correct. Craig also destroyed Hitchens, who brought a shotgun to a sharpshooting event; or, to paraphrase a great quote from a movie: Hitchens used a broadsword when what was needed was a scalpel.
What if God isn't "all" powerful, just really really powerful and creative? What if he or he/she/it can't prevent pain and evil? It always concerns me that atheists -- instead of questioning the existence of God -- question and rightly dismiss the Christian version of God, or the Islamic version, etc, this all-powerful almighty deity that is still alive today. Other options do exist, guys.
Atheism is largely a response to Christianity and Islam and their apologetics. I think you'll find a Christian who believes in a God that's merely 'very powerfull' an exceltion.
Debating anyone who doesn't come from a point of logic, i.e. a theologian, is a waste of time. Especially someone like Craig who thinks he knows everything because he got some bullshit degrees from religion school. Dawkins is a scientist. He works in the realm of the real world.
@MarkoVukovic0 Well, you are right. I grew up in an old house with numerous paranormal activities. It was during lunch at work that I shared just one of my experiences with my colleagues. I recalled the night my sisters and I were both woken up by someone playing our toy drum. The beat was slow but loud enough to wake both of us in different parts of the house. To which my colleagues said it was possibly caused by rats! At that moment, I realised that these 'intellectuals', evidence based thinkers totally failed to take in the evidence and put forward their preposterous explanation - rats playing my toy drum! At that point, I realised there was no point talking to people with closed minds! There were numerous other strange incidents my siblings and I encountered in that house. For that reason, I am open to the idea of a spiritual dimension. After all, even Dawkins believes in the possibility of aliens and other lifeforms. Why not angelic and spirits or souls of the deceased? I do work in the realm of the real world.
@@7pinky791 so... other than your story, what was your evidence for 'someone' playing your toy drum? Do you have video recordings of these paranormal activities? Did anyone at any point document and study any of this? Or, are we just supposed to take your word for it? If there really was such a thing as souls, spirits or angels, don't you think that by now there would be some evidence for it, and these wouldn't be considered paranormal but just normal? Wake up or stop lying.
@MarkoVukovic0 mate, I just shared 1 of many incidents. I was nine years old, and my sister was 15 at the time. It was in the early hours of the morning (2:00 - 3:00 a.m). No, we did not have a group of paranormal investigators in my bedroom! Like I said, this was just one of many strange incidents. We gotten used to it. No, it wasn't the Boomtown Rats playing my toy drum. It's strange how you started calling me a liar for sharing my experience. Why? Is it because your mind is too narrow to unpack the real-world experience?
You don't want to sound arrogant but you do..... Does anyone remember when Richard was on Australian Q and A and he was laughed at when questioned about nothing? Sometimes Richard sounds proud and arrogant too. What a silly argument when you do it too.
I'm absolutely devastated. Richard Dawkins is saying there are no good arguments for the existence of God! What have we all been doing these past 2000 years?🙄
Think about everything else humans have been demonstrably wrong about over the past 2000 years. Now apply that same line of thinking to theology and you’ll see that we have no right to think that anyone was even mostly correct for the past 2000 years about this topic as well. Speculating only gets you so far when you’re looking for truths of reality rather than just having something to fall back on for emotional comfort and existential security
So John Lenox making him admit that he lied about Jesus by calling him out on his book didn't make him formidable this is what Self-Delusion looks like ladies and gentlemen.
You should focus on the arguments and logic proposed. Not the person. Belief in an undetectable being is bonkers, and how anyone believes in such things after childhood is beyond me.
@@seedofwonder You don't. Dawkins has explained in detail why baseless belief has no place in grown up thinking. No one should focus on who's making the argument, just the argument.
I enjoy Alex O'Conner despite being a devoted Christian and a PhD level National Laboratory Physicist that worked 34 years measuring Nuclear Weapons and I contributed significantly to Medical Cancer Therapy. In terms of being Pompous, no one is more pompous than Richard Dawkins. In my opinion Alex O'Conner is much more persuasive to the Athiest position than a Richard Dawkins. I should congratulate Dawkins for making so many people consider Christianity seriously! Just take a look at the Athiests on the debate circuit, they look so miserable and unhappy compared to the committed life-long Christians! My criticism to most Athiests is that they go after all the wrong things in Christianity. Why pick at aspects of the Bible and its history and things that happen on Earth to people and animals as if we can explain them somehow with either a Biblical or Athiest Worldview. Many questions dont have answers and only God or a being far more intelligent than ourselves!!!!
@@nithionvanlithe9369 It’s because Craig is a pompous, smug ass, who will always assert he is right about everything. It’s like playing chess with a pigeon; No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board, knock over the pieces and strut around like it won anyway. Craig’s condescending smile is infuriating.
I wouldn't really see much point in evolutionary biologist debating someone who whole world view stems from theology. I would quite like to see Richy debate Stephen Meyer. But Dawkins is correct on what would be the point in debating people like Ken Ham . Leave that to a pretend scientist like Bill Nye. Stephen Meyer at least accepts the age of the earth, the big bang 13.7 billion years ago, so that may be quite interesting.
Excellent interview, Alex. I agree with Dawkins on Craig. I've seen debates with Craig and he shares his views as if they were a matter of fact. No evidence, just assertions. Like most theists I've seen and heard. I'm equally annoyed by Jordan Peterson who clearly has created his own version of God and religion. Peterson just strings together statements, that on their own don't stand up. But, when spoken together in one stream of consciousness seem to say something. It's no mistake he's called out for his word salads.
It's funny because I feel the exact inverse. Denying God's existence is like denying reality to me, yet if you do it for long enough, you might end up convincing yourself.
The more you focus on science and secularism without a set of objective morals the more your life decays and descends into animalism. Alex has criticized atheists in the past for not having any explanation for their morality. Dawkins has no answer, Hitchens doesn't either. This worldview leads to nihilism and nihilism leads to societal decay.
@@kangaroomax8198Just because it's immoral, doesn't mean it's false. This classic moralistic fallacy. I see thiests commit this all time. Truth ultimately can be immoral in it's foundation.
I wouldn't debate William Lane Craig on God either. (Though not for precisely the same reasons Richard Dawkins cites.) Craig has literally spent his entire adult professional life creating arguments to establish God's existence, etc. He's also very self-confident, and has done this kind of thing many times before. Thus, when he states "deduction 1 of premise 2", I wouldn't know what to say. At least not "live". This may sound like his arguments are so compelling that I'm intellectually frightened of him. No. If I spent spent half the time on God as he has, then I could write my responses in print or on line (rather than live). As it is, debating with William Lane Craig is much like debating with a politician - except that politicians don't use phrases like "nomological", "necessary and sufficient conditions", "deduction", etc. So I wouldn't debate Craig, just as I wouldn't debate Donald Trump/Hilary Clinton or Anjem Choudhary (the militant Islamist).
I admire the way Alex is so open and fair in how he interviews and he`s not afraid to push a little or challenge the interviewee, that`s what makes this such a great and fruitful conversation!
I admire how Dawkins isn't opposed to be pressed or challenged on his views and keeps them firm. That's what makes this such an insightful and beautiful conversation!
@@jonathanj2666 I agree with that to, they are both being good sported in this interview.
why are your apostrophies backwards
@@Filosofos1some people around the world type on different types of keyboards. If you type on a Danish/Swedish/Norwegian keyboard, the actual apostrophe sign is quite difficult to find because those languages don’t really use apostrophes.
The guys a toy.
This was to me the big cop-out for the representation of the New Atheism movement. I grew up as a teenager in the 2000's and I was addicted to watching videos of Dawkins and Hitchens, while never letting go of my Christian background. The great virtue of the Four Horsemen and New Atheism movement in general, I thought, was the desire to question everything and willingness to put their ideas to the test in debate. I admired these people for their courage to ask the questions most Christians I felt were cowardly to ask. However, when William Lane Craig appeared on the stage all manner of excuses suddenly appeared. Polly Toynbee pulled out of the debate, Andrew Copson the head of the Humanist Association made the bizarre statement on radio that he felt it was a waste of time to debate William Lane Craig yet encouraged atheists in the audience-to-be to challenge and put to task Craig's views. Dawkins himself was happy to meet with Young Earth Creationists and random American preachers for his documentaries, yet when a philosopher of religion came to his own home turf he backed out by saying Craig was too horrible a person to share the stage with. This in spite the fact that he very regularly spoke with people he disagreed with and people who shared morals he would call evil. In short, it was an excuse to avoid his objections to God being put to the test by someone he feared was potentially able to grill him.
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
Or… more likely, he simply doesn't care to take the time to debate Craig and his philosophical bloviating because Dawkins recognizes that you can’t philosophize a god into existence with word salads and blatant assertions built on more blatant assertions, which has pretty much been the entire point of WLC’s career after he openly admitted that the only thing that convinced him was “the witness of holy spirit”, which holds no merit outside of Christian circles and certainly holds no merit in academia. Craig is a professional word twister, and that’s why Dawkins won’t debate him; all Craig has are arguments without evidence
@@loganleatherman7647 Surely you cannot read what you just wrote and not see the absurdity in it...
Well Richard is eight years older than Craig and he's getting weaker with age as everyone else. Second I think that arguing for deism (That there is an impersonal, meaningless intelligence holding the world together) and Christianity are two different things but they are often conflated and even if Dawkins has a hard time with some argument for deism it does not justify the teachings of Christianity but the audience would not necessarily see it that way. It is completely meaningless to me if I learn that there is a slothful intelligence behind the world's creation just like it was meaningless for ancient people not to know how the physics of gravity work. You cannot have a meaningful personal relationship with gravity or the law of thermodynamics or the way snowflakes are formed; those are simply explanations for banal things we see every day. Saying that there must be a God and even proving it is no different to me than proving that there must be some force keeping the blood pumping in my veins; it's nice to know but it ultimately won't change my philosophical outlook on life. The theory of blood circulation did not lead to new religions.
As for the Christianity thing more specifically from an atheist perspective it's no different than arguing for the virtuousness of a guy called Bob who lives in his mother's basement and allegedly has a rich criminal history. Bob never shows up when questioned and it's always his mother at the door answering questions for him. If Bob is so powerful why does not he get off his butt and at least prove that he's not skeletonized or mummified in the basement? It's intellectual masturbation where one guy is arguing for the Occam's razor type of explanation and one is wasting his intelligence on endless excuses for Bob; in the end nothing is changed; some people will keep joining Christianity for social reasons and those who don't live out those emotional moments never will because normally nobody is intellectually convinced by Christianity but many are intellectually deconverted. Some of these theology people are very bright and it's such a waste to see their intelligence being used to defend Bob instead of contribute to humanity and unlike atheism Christianity in the west has a very long institutional tradition of coming up with clever defenses of Bob whereas in my country we only had freedom of religion in the 20th century and the protestant church still enjoys massive privileges where theology programs are basically clandestine apologetics to benefit the clergy. Imagine if atheism or maybe more specifically anti-Christianity had such a long and forceful as well as forced tradition. I would not be surprised if there are people who can argue Dawkins to bits. It still does not make Bob get off the couch and prove that he's alive much less justify his indolence. A superhuman alien species could land on earth right now and make an incredible argument for some complete nonsense that even our brightest philosophers could not refute because of their superhuman intelligence but that would not make the rubbish real.
@@loganleatherman7647Dawkins is a coping coward
Richard Dawkins conveniently forgot about his debates with John Lennox.
John exposed his “rationality from irrationality” argument but he left that bit out.
John Lennox embarrassed him badly
@@raylanbenjamin6943John Lennox is simply a dope.
You dropped your clown card🤡@@jimtruscott5670
@@jimtruscott5670Nice insult. May encourage clever people to investigate how dope he is...
@@timpetrinadavison8392 I agree. John Lennox is a simpering idiot.
Alex is, by far, the most fair minded, and well read atheist in the realm of genuine Christian theology.
@user-kc7xk6wy2z when a scientist has a hypothesis, they don’t go find reasons that it works and call it good. The only way to gain confidence and be academically taken seriously is by attacking your own beliefs and trying honestly to disprove your own ideas. You do this by partly by honestly and rigorously studying counter arguments and alternative explanations. If he didn’t take the time to learn about opposing views so deeply, he wouldn’t be anywhere near as convincing and his arguments would be much weaker. I’d encourage you to try challenging some of your own deeply held beliefs as well, it’s very rewarding.
@user-kc7xk6wy2z Alex has said before that he wants to be a Christian and that he is in a state of "non-resistant non-belief". Thus if God reveals himself to Alex, he would happily believe. To him, it's the hiddenness of God that makes him fairly sure that God does not exist.
@@euclid9492 Spot on. I struggle when I hear Christians and other theists talking about how their faith has been challenged. It nearly always seems to mean that they have had to work at convincing themselves they're on the right track.
With good science, having your views challenged by evidence or reason is exactly what you're seeking.
The first approach will always be far inferior to the second.
@@adriansims9770 that is one of the reasons I appreciate him. I have a Master of Divinity and an MA in Philosophy from a Southern Baptist seminary. It was when I wrote a paper on the Hiddenness of God that I realized how to explain what my real concerns about God were.
@user-kc7xk6wy2z Hi! Another Christian (modern one) here... I can´t speak for Alex, but the question (even if you don´t believe in God) are around why we are here, who am I, is there a purpose, what is right and wrong... and I think Alex is interested of those questions.
Sure Alex does a little bit of money, but I think he is less out there for money than what for example Dawkins is.
What I like about Alex is that he, in CONTRAST to many other atheists, reflects on things, and try to check the views from OTHER perspectives. He also LISTENS and in my view TRIES to understand, even if he might have the opposite idea.
When it comes to Dawkins, I feel he is ignorant, and out to bash everything Christian... and become a "hero" among atheists, instead of discussing real questions.
Who knows, maybe Alex is further in the journey than I and you are?
Pretty rich Dawkins accusing someone else of being pompous.
While at the same time simply declaring no one in the world has any argument against his position worth considering.
Because, you know, I'm right. End of discussion.
Quite a master debater!
😂Yeah, he's so good, he... "transcends" debate. 😂 Can you imagine if Craig took the same stance (no opposing arguments worth considering)? He'd never hear the end of it from the Dawkins crowd!
WLC is fundamentally flawed on objective moral values - as Alex has proven, a theist has no choice but to be a moral relativist regarding the Bible. There is a lot those people did, under what they believed was a divine mandate, is intolerable in our day and age
Or it could be that a belief based on unjustified belief is a bad argument? Would it be arrogant for a person who debated flat earthers to say there are no good arguments for a flat earth?
While I think it's wrong to avoid conversations, it's a simple fact that all major arguments for god are illogical and their logical errors have been explained to theists for years. So in that respect it's definitely true nobody has any compelling argument. I just think it's still worthwhile to keep having the discussion, as there are still millions left who haven't heard the reasons that believers' reasons for believing are illogical. As long as _some_ still have these conversations, that's important (at least until religious belief falls below 5-15% or something, where it's so irrelevant that debunking it isn't as important).
@@majmage Why do we have eyes? Ears? Teeth? An ass? Sperm? It's so we can see, hear, chew, shit and make babies. That my friend is by design. You atheists are the dumb ones, despite how smart you like to think you are.
As a Christian, mad props to Alex. What a stand up gentleman that displays courage respectfully. A display that I personally think makes a good and honest man.
@Bob.55
...what...?
@Bob.55
Souls are a lie
Agreed.
How do you know what god wants?@Bob.55
AS A GROWN UP I STOPPED READING AFTER CHRISTIAN LOL😂 HAVE FUN DUMBLEDORE
Richard Dawkins calling someone else pompous is really rich
I know, right? :)))) Funny. It's called projection
It’s funny
Dawkins might be pompous but at least he's right.
What's pompous about Dawkins?
Yes it is, Dr. Craig would make Dawkins look like a buffoon. Hats off to Alex for being a generous host to all his guest.
Also, I appreciate Alex pressing this question and maintaining integrity based on what have been two very positive interactions between Alex and Craig (the two make a great discussion pair).
Sounds to me that Professor Dawkins is afraid to debate William Lane Craig.
Afraid is probably not the right word, but I certainly think he should be wary of it. WLC is quite skilled in the art of debate by simply using a reassuring voice and a lot of repetition and apparent certainty. I've heard many people pick apart his arguments, but that doesn't bother him a bit when on a debate stage, he keeps to his script, and for easily convinced people, that can certainly sound convincing. It's quite easy to pick apart the Kalam Cosmical Argument, for example, but it is a bit technical - and if WLC takes the stage after you and just claims that you in fact DID NOT pick it apart, but rather it stands, "as you all can agree", well then it might just sound like he won the debate.
Nope.
William Lane Craig justified mass child sl@ughter.
No theist has evidence for any god, so there's no fear about debate with them lol
The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
where are you getting this sense of morality from? @@MontysKillerRabbit
ps. are you pro choice? @@MontysKillerRabbit
Dawkins lack of knowledge in the field would have been exposed by WLC. That is why he gives a really poor excuse for not debating him.... Alex's questions bring out Dawkins' inconsistencies.
Low Bar Bill's lack of knowledge on cosmology was exposed by Sean Carroll. Doesn't seem to stop him using the same arguments though.
as i said earlier
god is so big he doesn’t have to exist!
think about it!
Nah bc Dawkins himself has said arguments from the fine tuning of the universe is what would make him believe in a discussion with Francis Collins. Basically saying people like John Lennox, Francis Collins and Sy Garte aren’t formidable how arrogant is this man Dawkins
Real philosophers ignore the people you named as amateur dabblers.
@@lightbearer313 real philosophers (that is, analytical philosophers) ignore Dawkins...
@@lightbearer313
>Dawkins
>Real philosophy
LMAOO
The joke is that those fine tuning arguments are failing because it is based on a model (the Λ-CDM model) that is falling apart.
Fine tuning? Like God's perfect creation having an immune system that can target its OWN host?
Bloody fantastic work
These types of arguments come from people who say god does things perfectly as well. The idiot didn't even succeed with his little Eden project, even though he knows the outcome before it even occurs. Derp.
Dawkins needs to just say that he won't debate William Lane Craig because he doesn't Like him Lol
I've no idea who WLC is, but if Dawkins doesn't like him he's ok with me.
William Lane Craig justified mass child sla#hter, reason enough to not share a stage with that nimrod.
He did. Near the end he simply said he “doesn’t respect him”. ‘Nuff said 👍
That's exactly what he said
@themostamazingguy
Nope. He gave reasons, he didn't say he just didn't like him.
As a Christian, I enjoyed this discussion, and I applaud you Alex for having a reasoned and positively fair and polite approach to both believers and non-believers. Keep up the good work!
Y do you believe in a God?
@@AllenAnderson-b6t because it's more probable to think that we came from something rather than nothing. This entity we call God but could be anything equivalent
@@dkant4511 the gods come from nothing evidently
@@AllenAnderson-b6t Read The Essence of Christianity by Ludwig Feuerbach. God is just a manmade concept. Haha it's the best our species bound by language and limited reason can do!
@@AllenAnderson-b6tI’ll bite.
In the Christian belief, God doesn’t “come from” anything. God is a preexisting entity unbound by our observations of the constraints of space and time, as, of course, a creator of said concepts. God always has, and always will exist, the beginning and the end.
As for why I believe, it’s ultimately personal. I did grow up in a Christian home, so you might discount my beliefs entirely, but over time, I did my own study into the subject. I found that, in reading the Bible and in meditative prayer, I would feel a divine peace come over me. There were times additionally where I felt a stirring in my heart for something greater, and God was there.
Whether you believe or not is your own choice, ultimately. However, I would encourage you to explore the religion for what it truly is, asking theologians and priest questions to obtain a fuller understanding of the belief system rather than the views of exclusively other atheists. As a Christian, it is well worth it for me to understand my own beliefs deeper by seeing atheist critiques, and I believe it has only made me a more devout believer. Either way, God bless, and have a fantastic day.
People if you haven’t watched the full interview/ conversation you definitely should check it out I found it very funny at points and interesting
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over....
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
Richard Dawkins doesn't debate. He smooches up to people who agree with him, and oozes contempt for people who don't. He feels that people who don't agree with him are diseased. Why would he take them seriously? What he likes is a young man like Alex showering him with adulation, never asking him a difficult question. He enjoys that above anything else. He doesn't suffer fools and he decides who is and isn't a fool. And ironically, he says he doesn't want to be remembered above as an atheist. You have to admit, that's kinda funny!
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
I actually think Alex have a fair amount of pushback
@@monikasmithsonian2985 Not really, they were all pretty easy lobs. Also, you can tell they're basically in agreement when Alex sniggers at the mention of some of the people they mention. If you think this was a serious interview, I believe you are mistaken. All it does, is show us what a cantankerous and intollerant individual Richard Dawkins really is.
@gertstronkhorst2343 I disagree. You sound like you have a bias against Dawkins for some emotional reason. He's just a form of British that seems cantankerous. Not to mention the fact that he's stuck on the edge where evolutionary biology often conflicts with dogmatic religious fanatics. This is a frustrating place to find one's self if you're simply after truth, and you find yourself constantly running into people trying to stifle it.
@@Hstevenson69 He literally says he has contempt for people who don't agree with him. Surely you're not suggesting that there is one truth, that science only can uncover, are you? Also, calling me emotional is such a weak thing to do, such a feeble attempt to invalidate my opinions about this. Do you usually do that?
I appreciate how much you are willing to push against or poke at anyone. You ask pointed questions aimed at the ideas, not the people, who are the subject of discussion, and keep things respectful. You also wait patiently for answers, you clearly aren’t trying to pull gotcha’s to get a win, but instead forcing your interviewee to consider and explain their position in regards to other viewpoints or their other positions. So refreshing to see.
WLC employs logical arguments when he debates. I mean logical argument in the strict technical sense of the term. That's very rare in a debate. To those who haven't studied logic however he may sound like he is talking nonsense. They don't have the intellectual tools to follow the detail of what he is saying.
Calling a logical argument "pompous" is not a refutation of anything. RD makes himself look very weak here.
Using formal logic does not prevent one from talking nonsense. A skilled sophist will happily couch an unsound argument in seemingly valid terms.
@alk7393
“A skilled sophist will happily couch an unsound argument in seemingly valid terms.”
WLC’s career in a nutshell. He even knows that there’s no convincing evidence for God so he relies on argumentation to “prove” that God exists, which I’m sure he’s aware that you can’t philosophize God into existence. God either exists or doesn’t exist, and no amount of philosophical arguments will change whichever one of those is true
@@loganleatherman7647
Unfortunately so many seem unable to see through his tiresome rhetoric and are actually bamboozled enough to praise it as something far more sophisticated than the faded window dressing it so obviously is.
@@ETM2024 "A skilled sophist will happily couch an unsound argument in seemingly valid terms."
Can you explain this further, please? Do you mean "valid" and "sound" here in the technical senses of the words?
A deductive logical argument can be incorrect in two ways: It can be invalid, meaning that incorrect rules of inference were used, or unsound, meaning that it rests on untrue premises. (Or both.)
In what way does WLC get it wrong?
@@dgphi It's not specifically a WLC problem, more like every single argument for god depend on unverified premises, that's why they're unsound, but WLC is skilled in expressing them as logical facts. They're not easy arguments to analyze so in a quick debate the one using such a trick has the advantage.
Am I the only one who notices how fast Alex’s channel is growing lately? 670k to 679k in 2 days is quite impressive!
Absolutely. Because he is brilliant but more importantly uniquely unbiased in everything he approaches.
I honestly would not be surprised if it was because Christians are subscribing to his channel. There has been a rise in interest around Christianity recently. I'm a Christian and I really enjoy his content.
@@infinitelyexhausted Hope you stick around! 😃😃
Yes I have noticed.
Alex is the Hitchens of our time ❤️
@@-Thauma- two extremely different people
Respectufully, sounded like a excuse to me.
Yes agree, but what would Dawkins bring that Hitchens, or Harris didn't?
@@adamnewsome2152 it’s hard to debate someone who believes in magic. What points did Craig make against Christopher Hitchens?
@@Navyfrog22 His version of the Kalam Cosmological Argument - basically everything must have a cause, so the universe must have a cause which is in itself causeless, and so that must be god because god doesn't have a cause (even though everything must have a cause). And then to stop the argument ceasing at Deism he makes this god a personal god because the wheels set in motion would lead to us (as if that even slightly matters). It's wall to wall bullshit. Hitchens struggled a little because his strengths are not in cosmology, but essentially beat him handedly by calling out the internal inconsistencies in WLC's claims.
@@Navyfrog22 If you really look at it, the claims he supports are even more extraordinary than magic. I'll only explain how if someone requests it. Otherwise, I don't feel like dropping a miniature essay in the comment section is a good idea in this context.
@@MisterEvvvSymphoenix you should drop it
Dawkins forgot of his debate with Prof. John Lennox.
@user-sb3zm1cq8l
Probably not. John Lennox largely just makes emotional appeals because Christianity makes him feel emotionally comforted and existentially secure. The vast majority of his arguments boil down to “I believe in God because I can’t/don’t want to imagine a universe without God”
Oh he wants to forget that
Lennox the goat herder ? wow, how could he forget?
Lennox is sort of the santa clause version, the soft voice trying to put a good face on a genocidal dictator.
From those who are more capable of seeing through the marketing it's not exactly convincing.
If God is real and sends Lennox to hell then Lennox must agree that it's the right thing to do.
What a fantastic faith
I think we all want to forget the existence of John Lennox, a shameful chapter on humanity.
As a Christian, I really appreciate how accurately Alex represents the arguments for Christianity and the respect by which he engages Christians.
The guy has a theology degree from Oxford and thinks original sin is merely inherited guilt though.
The guy has a theology degree from Oxford and thinks original sin is merely inherited guilt though.
@@silent_shoutIn Orthodox Christianity(Easteren Orthodoxy) ,the consider the original sin as ancestral sin(the plague of sin being past by generation) so his idea is not so far fetched.
But he is still a better “Stand-In” for the side of Christianity than most layperson Christians.
Facts are facts, and beliefs can only alter the perception of facts.
I like how our side is always expected to be cordial, respectful, and accommodating. Meanwhile, Christians routinely threaten us with eternal torture. 🙄
Awesome job hosting this discussion, Alex. I am familiar with you from your interactions with WLC and Douglas Murray (to name a couple), and I have always found you to be one of the most articulate and fair voices even though your personal beliefs are often different than mine. I really appreciate your intellectual integrity and respectful demeanor.
On the flip side, I was surprised that Dawkins suggests that Christians should say that unsightly OT events simply never happened. That would be disingenuous. If they hold to the veracity of the OT as a historical text, they absolutely ought to wrestle with the ramifications. I can respect anyone who says “is this true, and if so, then what?” But I can’t respect someone who says “I wish this weren’t true, so I will conveniently pretend it is not so.” Dawkins’ promotion of this kind of self-serving expediency seems to be a reflection of his own character.
I'm no theologian, but I don't think Dawkins means Christians should say it never happened if they actually believe it did.
I think he may interpret these Biblical stories as simply stories, not intended to be taken as true. I was never a believer, but I was brought up in the UK so am most familiar with the C of E that Richard Dawkins was brought up in, and which is the least dogmatic set of beliefs I know of!
How about “we know this isn’t true, from Jewish mythologists, historians and archaeologists, so we can ignore the ridiculous claims up until at least King David.” That’s honest and supported by all the evidence ever encountered, so without invoking one’s lack of respect for the believer, can it be pointed out that the beliefs, themselves, deserve no respect?
Many Christians do not hold to the veracity of the OT as a historical text.
First and foremost because many of the books are demonstrably not intended as historical text.
E.g: WLC does not take the OT as historical text (or at least not in its entirety), highlighting in particular the start of Genesis as "Clearly False" if taken literally.
Your strawman fools no one.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over.....
As someone said earlier here, it is rich of Dawkins to describe someone as having a pompous voice. In his autobiography Dawkins repeatedly,time and time again reminds the reader that he (Dawkins ) is a ''Balliol man'' .
In fairness to Alex, he point out that his experience of William Lane Craig was not how Dawkins describes.
I do think Alex was going easy on Craig those two times. Craig brings nothing interesting to the table.
I don’t think how either of them think. Thinking in black & white is childlike. Religion is your answer…
Dawkins voice is the opposite of pompous, but rather controlled and sophisticated. Try again.
@@newnoggin2 your arrogance precedes you…
@@toucheturtle3840 not sure what you mean by that
well, I am no fan of Alex but I sure do admire his clarity, concise, and well-mannered approach in conversations like this
I appreciate how knowledgeable Alex is of the Christian defenses as shown by his responses to many of Dawkin's points (i.e. taking whole bible literally vs. genres of literature in the Bible).
Imo it shows a more genuine attempt to understand and critique rather than be satisfied with easily rebutted points.
Because Dr Craig would mop the floor with Dawkins .
The only two people that Craig had a hard time with were Hitchens and Harris. Thirty years and as far as I know, only 2 people came close to beating him.
@@movie-mandan The only reason Craig had a “hard” time with them is because of how dumb and ignorant both of them were regarding the topic of the debate. They had some talking points but were not prepared to engage Dr Craig at the level of a scholar.
He'd mop the floor, rinse it, buff it, wax it and buff it _again._
Nice work, Alex, on pressing Dawkins on this issue. WLC has been very critical of Dawkins published work (esp. The God Delusion) and has exposed his philosophical naivete. I don't blame him for wanting to avoid a debate with WLC. It would not go well for Dawkins.
He’s pretending on this issue as well, because he will debate any Christian that clearly lacks debate skills or education.
He’s like a boxer that has a high win average because he purposely picks less skilled boxers to fight.
To act as if it’s because he’s too smart to debate anyone on this topic is clearly false, he’s done it his entire career.
@@silent_shout What a load of nonsense. It’s not a game Dawkins is playing! He doesn’t care about ‘winning’ debates. He cares about the truth, is a passionate advocate for reason and cares about the damage fundamentalist religion does.
I'm an atheist, so I disagree with Craig, but he is a trained academic philosopher, whereas Dawkins is not.
Just like it didn’t go well for Craig when he debated actual historians or cosmologists where his naive intuitions aren’t considered to be evidence.
Craig should debate Dawkins about the historicity of Adam and Eve… where his only argument would be that scientists are biased against the supernatural.😂
@@richarddoan9172 That's exactly why Dawkins should accept a debate with WLC instead of avoiding him. Dawkins' philosophy is amateur and he's completely oblivious to it. Why not have Dawkins defend his position from one of the best philosophers and debaters alive? It seems like that would be the academically honest thing to do.
Richard Dawkins calling someone else pompous is the pot calling the kettle black lol. William always comes off as very respectful in every interview and debate I've seen him in. I can't really say the same of Mr Dawkins. There is literally 0 usefulness from debating Mr Dawkins on anything as he's already admitted that even if "God came down to show Himself to me I would not believe in His existence."
Dr Craig is far more than just a "professional debater" and the way in which Mr Dawkins speaks comes off more that he simply just doesn't want interact with someone who actually challenges him from the perspective of being persuasive to the audience.
Never heard that. Have heard him say he's not 100% atheist as it's not possible to completely rule out there being a God, but he hasn't seen good evidence for one.
@Sammo212 Have you seen William L. Craig and "Capturing Christianity" smugly deride Carl Sagan? The way they engaged with Sagan's arguments was anything but respectful. It was rather shocking how poorly they did, yet felt extremely smug about themselves.
@@livrowland171 I have seen him say there is literally nothing that could happen that would prove the existence of any god. No matter what happened, no matter who or what showed itself to him he would not believe they were god. That's peak atheist into the real of anti-theist.
@@coolcat23 I've not, generally Craig is not smug or rude to those he's speaking with or debating. Dawkins, however, is generally always that.
It's not challenging, his "logic" lacks evidence, and it's utterly unconvincing to anyone who works with evidence.
WLC is as empty handed as any Muslim or Jewish scholar. It doesn't matter that they took a book report too seriously, it lacks evidence.
Pompously describing someone as "pompous" and explaining why he's above debating them 🙄
Projection at its finest.
Not at all. Dawkins uses actual logic, instead of pompous word salads.
Asking an aggressive "intellectual" beliver is like asking an AI robot.
You get lots of words out of it, but if you know the slightest about the subject you can immediately see that it isn't even internally coherent.
😂 “With the boxing ring”. It’s about time someone pointed out how weird that episode in Mexico was.
Alex was spot on; those question Dawkins asked should've been asked to WLC.
Whether you like WLC or not, his evangelical views are representative of a huge number of Christians. If you want to change people's minds, deal with their best arguments/arguers.
Agreed. As a Christian, I'm stoked at the idea of such a debate. They're not getting any younger though. 😟⌛🕙
He’s afraid of WLC and will never debate him in public.
I doubt WLC is anywhere near the best Christian apologist.
Some of the top comments are saying some variation of, "Ha, John Lennox beat that ol' Dawkins in their debates!" It's just hilarious to see how differently people view the same debates. Some of Lennox's points were very weak. Towards the end of one of their debates, Lennox asked Dawkins if he didn't *wish* Christianity were true. I don't remember the exact wording but that was the gist. The astonished Dawkins, astonished at such an empty question, responded that of course one might wish something is true but that doesn't make it true. Regardless of which side of the God debate you're on, Lennox had nothing and that argument from Lennox, if we even call it an argument, made that very clear.
I appreciate you arguing from the other side. Helps clarify the issues
Also, if Dawkins has trouble with the debate format Craig is familiar with, avoiding important dialogue is not the answer. Rather, either they find a way to discuss where no one has an unfair advantage, or Dawkins improves his ability to navigate formal debate.
Based on what Dawkins said, it seems he doesn't respect William Craig and so why debate him? It's not like Craig is some kind of genius debater - Dawkins is not afraid of him he just doesn't want to waste his time.
Why not? you dont have debates to make friends, but to make points for those watching. he's debated people he doesn't respect before, but suddenly craig is offlimits? i smell bullshit@@davidmiles6845
Maybe debate him to disprove him? If you're so confident and sure of your beliefs, you shouldn't back out in any case. You should show the problem. Which he isn't doing, because he can't.
Dawkins has trouble with debating with anyone with more than a passing knowledge of the arguments.
@@davidmiles6845 not "respecting" your opponent is not viewed as an excuse for not taking on an opponent in any sport, why should it be an excuse in debating?
Premise 1
Deduction 2
Had me dying
It's funny because it's how easily Dawkins and the rest of the new atheists absurd arguments are shown to be fallacious or poorly designed. Dawkins flat out can't debate or produce compelling arguments for his position. That's why he has said he won't debate and says there is no evidence that could ever make him a Theist. He is willingly ignorant. Peter atkins and others have said the exact same thing. This is why the new Atheists have faded into obscurity they are irrelevant.
Dawkins saying that he has so much contempt for Craig that he couldn't stand to be in the same room with him, (even though Craig is one of the friendliest and most cordial debaters out there)---that had me dying, too! I smell fear from Dawkins. Yes, Sir Richard is a scaredy-cat.
@@aaronstypes4083 Imagine he had to debate David Bentley Hart. Hart would absolutely eviscerate Dawkins🤣
Sad how feeble old Dawkins is!
@@orangemanbad lol they showed his face as he was present for John Lennoxs' speech on why God must exist at Oxford around a year ago and he looked so old mad and bitter for literally no reason just sitting in the audience it was almost hilarious.
"I won't debate a certain christian because his viewpoints are evil. My materialist worldview doesn't allow for evil to be anything but subjective, but I'm happy to ignore that." 😂
@Horace__63 🤔 maybe around the time you learn how to spell? EDIT: oh, nice. You edited. Lol
So, evil is objective only if God exists? But, is evil evil because God thinks so, or does God find evil evil because it is evil? (just riffing on Eutyphro). Anyway, there is no particular reason why evil should be metaphysically objective. It's not like people are evil only when they think there is no divine punishment. Plenty of evil has been done in the name of some 'objective' good (by theists and atheists alike).
@@gedonckers you tell me. what is evil?
@@bethezebra I'll give you three secular views: 1) evil is intentional causing of harm, 2) evil is acting against moral law, 3) evil is acting viciously (where vices are defined as traits of character that are at the extremes - cowardice, injustice, etc). These are just three prominent views - utilitarian, kant's and aristotles. There are many others. E.g. you can check out Dancy's 'Ethics without principles'.
@bethezebra The Abrahamic god is evil.
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*This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along.
*It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!
*Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.***
***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.*
The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
*And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page.
*If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.*
www.evilbible.com/
Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector
(A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)
Thank you Alex this was so thought provoking. You showed incredible journalistic and intellectual integrity here, and it's wonderful to see someone on any side of this conversation revealing such an allegiance to truth. I mean no disrespect, but I can't help but feel that you have far surpassed your guest in this regard. Please keep going!
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over....
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
This man is an exemplar of intellectual humility.
Who?😂
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over.....
@@Tobi_237Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over...
That would be Alex.
@@adriansims9770 he is just a godless weak alone person who takes advant from those godless alone weak trash people who run to kiss his dirty ass because they have not God in their life, so they lost all dignity and died inside. No respect for both
What a terrible answer to why you wouldn’t debate someone. “Well I don’t like their voice and their view on history is violent.” I’m sorry but ignorance is not a proper response to not liking something that may have taken place.
It's one thing to not like something that actually occurred. You're correct, if it occurred our opinions of it doesn't affect it having occurred. However if we judge the events to be highly immoral and someone else appears to say they are "good". That's a bit of a different situation. That appears to be akin to what he is saying.
It is is not a terrible answer if you take Richard's WHOLE answer.
It's pointing out that if one makes conclusions like that, what other quality of answer will follow, if not only in the interest of "a god" who - WLC says - can do whatever with us and even permits what jihadi's are doing with their terrorizing attacks in the name of "allah". He'll make any excuse to protect a belief in "god", even the most evil and heinous ideas, which if one would do it to another person - without "god" commanding it - WLC would find atrocious. But because "god" told the Israelites, it was not horrendous... even more.. he saw the Israelites as the victims in this ordeal, "having to do" these heinous acts... (cfr. PTSD)
There is no sense in debating someone like that.
Apart from that I do also sense some "pompous" attitude from WLC, altho I would recognize it more as "condescending".
There's also a big difference between interviewing and debating. In an interview one just wants to know the other one's thought, but in debating it's about coming to a greater understanding I would argue, in which DLC will not accept anything else but the things that benefit his "god" in one way or another.
WLC doesnt fight fair. He isnt limited by whats true.
Dawkins debates Muslims. There's nothing Craig believes that would put him as more violent than them, so Dawkins has no excuse
@@cevcena6692 That is not the sole reason. Craig is also not muslim (different religion) and Craig uses a method that is highly corrupt at the core.
Jews, Christians, Muslims are not alike. Even among them there are plenty of differences.
“They don’t believe in Adam and Eve”
Bill Craig literally has a series of lectures called argument for the historical Adam
Which you've obviously not watched
@@ManForToday youre a failure.
@@ManForTodayCraig believes in an old earth and believes Adam and Eve were historical figures in the distant past. Based on current science he suspects them to be homo heidelbergensis (early himinins) that lived around 700.000 years ago. These stories in the old testament of the distant past like Genesis 1-11 - Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Genesis 6 Sons of God, Henoch, Noah's flood, tower of Babel and such he interprets as mytho-history - the people in these stories are historical persons that really lived, but the stories are clothed in mythological motifs as was common practice in ancient Mesopotamian literature such as the Sumerian kings list in which the kings are real people, but the reigns of thousands of years are obviously mythological.
@@ManForToday
I have his book on the Historical Adam and have nearly finished it.
0:20 2 words John..Lennox.
4 words: Arthur Edward Wilder-Smith
That's a load of projection if I've ever seen any... c'mon, not a single good argument? Even Alex would claim there's definitely some good ones, they made a tier list after all, not enough to convince him but it's kind of hard to stare at thousands of years of philosophy/theology from the Greeks to Acquinas and Leibniz and think it's all a bunch of garbage, smh.
Whats your definition for good?
So basically, even though William Lane Craig believes the same things as many of the others that he’s debated, he won’t debate him because he doesn’t like what he believes? Or thinks he is pompous?
More to me sounds like he’s just afraid of being made to look like a fool if he looses.
Good job, Alex for beginning to press him on the logical incongruity of what he was saying.
The point at 4:42, "Why do children get cancer?" is an important one. But, Atheists simply won't accept the answer. 1) When Adam and Eve sinned, all of humanity and nature fell from grace. Before they sinned, the world was called "very good," by God. At that moment of sin, death was introduced into the world in all its forms. Now, we ALL die. Some die young. Some die old. Some die in pain. Some die peacefully, but nobody escapes death. Nobody is innocent, "not one," as the Bible says.
2) But, for the Christian, that's not the end of the story. Jesus then died in our place to pay our debt. And he died for every single one of us past, present, and future. He reconciled all who are willing to be in a right relationship with God again.
3) One day, everybody who accepts the debt Jesus paid for us and receives Jesus as his/her savior will finally live with God in a place where there is no more death, pain, or suffering.
So, the atheists/skeptics take a snapshot of out-of-context death (and blame a God they don't believe in), but the Christian listens to the rest of the story and see that death is temporary, but life is forever.
Now, atheists/skeptics don't have to believe that, but it is THE answer. Humans sinned and let evil into the world. Humans broke the world. We are the ones to blame.
You clearly belive that God heals people of cancer, so the whole original sin thing useless as an argument.
You have twin girls, they both get cancer. You pray for them. God saves one, but not the other. Great, so God apparently CAN intervene and nullify these effects of original sin... buuuuut only when he feels like it. Why does God only feel like saving some innocent little girl from cancer and not others? Well now, Christians do have an answer for this but atheists, tut-tut, they just don't accept it, that's all - but you know, it's some bullshit about God working in mysterious ways or something? You know, just use that anytime your wondering about all the utterly bizarre shit in the Bible, like personally demanding genocide - down to the babies and even their animals. Or how about God that poor prophet whose bald head was just BRUTALLY mocked by children - but because god has such a tender heart for mocked bald men, he sent out a bear to maul those 42 children to death. I mean, I'm assuming Elijah would have rather God just gave him back his hair, but really now, who could say they wouldn't enjoy watching 42 children get eaten by a bear? I mean, they made fun of his baldness, for fuck's sake!
We don't accept it because to us it sounds just like the reason given for Minnesota's 10,000 lakes. Anything at all can be given an explanation, but that doesn't mean the explanation is the answer.
Oh dear! for someone who doesn't believe in good and evil how on earth can't he see his self deception and self contradiction!
After deflecting about why he won't debate William Lane Craig and giving every miniscule reason, it would be funny if Dawkins then simply said, "Well, to be honest, Alex. . . I'm afraid William Craig will kick my butt--that's the bottom line, I guess."
Craig would lose as always and use the cheapest sophistry and act pompous and victorious, that's all he ever does and ever will do. Utter nonsense for dull minds.
@@Darfail Yeah, I'm sure that's why Dawkins won't debate him. Because it would be a slam dunk victory for him and why would he want a slam dunk victory?
@aaronstypes4083 Craig's delusional audience will always think he won no matter what. As dishonest and full of cheap tactics as he is, he isn't worth anyone's time, like the rest of these Christian sophists. The best use of Craig is to show non-cultists what they are really up against and this has been done countless times already.
Craig is good at exactly one thing when it comes to debates like this - to bamboozle people who only have casual knowledge about the topic. He is really good at making his stance _appear_ to be oh-so-educated and valid by employing various debating tactics that are _only_ good for exactly that.
Hell, until I started to actually look into these things a good bit deeper, I couldn't find any fault in his _arguments,_ I only had a bad taste in my mouth about his methods, without being able to point at anything in particular that was actually bad or faulty. I would _absolutely_ have lost any debate against him, simply because I couldn't see through his tactics. Hell, I'm pretty sure that he'd still be able to pull _some_ tactic out of his bag of tricks to run me over. But that still would simply be that - debate tactics. He's a good showman, but a really, _*really_ bad scientist _when it comes to these debates,_ in part exactly _because_ he using dishonest tactics (whether he is aware of the dishonesty or not doesn't even matter; people lie to themselves often and long enough to believe their own lies, that doesn't mean they're not still dishonest)
@@Wolf-ln1mlSam Harris and many atheists who have debated him won't agree... I'll take their views over a TH-cam comment.
I'm agnostic myself, but still I wonder, what does the claim never having a challenging opponent may actually imply....hmmmm
@adam.fedale1370 I'm quite certain God is too shy for that to happen, but I can understand.. I'm shy myself.
@@raqktranjanGod is not shy. If demons tremble at the name of Jesus, He definitely isnt shy of a human 👍. If you truly want to have a relationship with him, you can.
@@marcocortes9968 That might be the most weird argument I have ever heard.. By religion I'm a Hindu, I'm allowed and even encouraged to doubt The existence and even the teachings of God(btw, people might think we have a lots of gods, but it is not that simple) . Ofc we can have a relationship with God if we want as a abstract being inside ourself.. Like a hope giving mechanism.. And btw, shy thing was a sarcastic comment, by which I have tried to imply that there's no way God's coming out, even though, he does, by which sense organ are we gonna sense him (I'm here talking about the Abrahamic God here)? Will he even be emperical? 😅
Dawkins' protestations ring hollow, yet again. Anyone watching this subject unfold over time is left with the distinct impression that Dawkins is desperate to avoid Craig in debate - a logical, if not laudatory, endeavor. Undoubtedly, Dawkins has watched the thorough drubbing Christopher Hitchens endured during his debate with Craig who, incidentally, is a very kind, calm respectful debater. Kudos to Alex for defending Craig's honor against the slander most unjustifiably heaped on him by Dawkins.
Thank you Alex. Your dialogues with WLC are some of my favorite and my experience with him is similar to yours. Craig is a kind, sincere, and humble person. Listening to the bombastic Dawkins act as if Craig were lacking humility is rich.
Alex is wonderful. Great respect for him as he always engages kindly with the other side. Frankly, this is my opinion of Dawkins: he is putting on a facade of humility. Personalities clash, but Craig & Alex have had great conversations, while Dawkins true pride becomes clear. He apparently doesn’t “respect” Craig enough to debate him, but unless someone is an obnoxious jerk who interrupts and gets angry, there isn’t really a reason to have even a discussion! Dawkins comes off as arrogant by claiming Craig speaks pompously, when in fact, he does the exact same thing! “Premise 1” is part of breaking down an argument! So imo, this is just showcasing the arrogance of Dawkins feeling “better” than Craig, who’s purportedly not “worth his time.” 😒
What's WLC's best piece of evidence/ argument for the existence of any god...
@@mram03
You missed the part where WLC justified mass slaughter along with mass child slaughter....
So... he won't debate him because he uses deductive reasoning and his voice sounds weird?
Translation: "I am afraid to be exposed."
What he said was more: I have still not heard a good argument for the existence of God.
Present any evidence for your god.
@@MontysKillerRabbitDr Craig would
@@generalsheperd5864
Can't you...?
@@generalsheperd5864
And why hasn't he.. ever...?
Interestingly, Alex, Craig, and Dawkins - among other prominent names - are supposed to share the same stage, in a panel discussion held at Pepperdine University, sometime this year. Behind the scenes details are still being worked out.
Good pushback Alex! Great conversation, wonderfully polite and clear
When you are faced with a situation where you are asked to debate WLC. You have only two choices:
1) Accept and be publicly humiliated and lose all the glory and fame and pride you gained all your life.
2) Reject and give some silly excuse, hoping that at least some of your followers are stupid enough to believe you.
Dawkins wisely and cowardly chose the latter.
WLC has awful arguments.
Go on, give his best argument that you've ever heard...
@@MontysKillerRabbitonly an internet atheist says this lol
@@adamduarte895 You mean how like Low Bar Bill got exposed by Sean Carroll on his lack of knowledge on cosmology?
This is the difference between atheists and theists. Atheists are the rational ones because they demand sufficient evidence before believing. Theists blindly accept "holy" books written by people who thought the Earth was flat and covered by a solid dome and choose emotion over logic.
Look up the below from a Biblical scholar:
*"Genesis 1:9-10 - God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth!"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
If you want to believe in a higher power, fine. I'm open to the idea. Just realise that your position is not evidence based. And speculation, special pleading and "look at the trees" doesn't help you either.
@rafikgl: Completely wrong. Have you watched WLC debate someone like Hitchens? On one occasion WLC struggled to understand the meaning of the word atheist. He’s dreadful.
@@adamduarte895
Do you even know what an atheist is?
Alex, I feel you are completely honest in your efforts. Please remain honest.
You also make things so intelligible for non-formally trained people like me. I am a Christian benefiting from your good work! 😊
09:10. Theres a video exposing Dawkins where he said that that debate in Mexico Dawkins never considered to be a debate against WLC.
So Dawkins is revising history I think.
I can't stop laughing at the idea of Richard Dawkins calling William Lane Craig 'pompous.'
The projection is off the charts.
Dawkins is afraid of Craig IMO.
@@shaunmcinnis566 no one is afraid of Bill "lower the bar" craig
@@MickHaggs I guess you've never heard what Sam Harris said about Craig "putting the fear of God" into more than one atheist.
Superb pushback, Alex. At least Dawkins was honest and outright said that the reason is he dislikes WLC, and didn't attempt to hide it.
well WLC was thoroughly flushed out by Mr. Christopher Hitchens, you can refer to that, there is no point in arguing with moronic religious nutters but it must be done when necessary
Well he did attempt to hide it but Alex pushed it out of him by the end.
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
I really don't think that's his 'honest' reason for not debating him. My two cents is he's hiding behind his feigned indignation
The very idea of someone "having to believe" something should raise red flags. No one can choose what convinces them.
Of course they can, you can be willingly ignorant based on worldview conviction. This is a pretty obvious thing... As Dawkins has said there is no evidence that would ever convince him of being a Theist. That is willful ignorance.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Being willingly ignorant (as almost all religious people are) is obviously very common. But that is unrelated to whether someone can choose to be convinced or some claim. It's easy to demonstrate that someone (including you) cannnot just choose to believe something. Could you choose to believe the moon was made of cheese? Of "no", then why not? What if you try really really hard to believe it. Then can you?
I'd need to know the full context of Dawkin's comment, and what his EXACT words. In "The God Delusion", he said the opposite of what you assert, so I'm skeptical of your claim. Are you sure he didn't say that he doesn't believe there is any evidence that COULD convince him, because if so, then that is just him offering an honest opinion of the existance of sufficient evidence.
I also don't believe there exists any evidence that COULD convince me, but if I am ever exposed to sufficient evidence to convince me, then (by definition) I will be convinced. While I got your attention, let me ask if you have any convincing evidence that one or more gods exist?
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Look into Doxastic voluntarism and involuntarism, direct Doxastic voluntarism fails while indirect works.
I think the idea is that God is outside of morality. All good and bad things come from god.
@@mikehochburns8740 This makes God anything, I mean it’s problematic because we cannot start to define God in any sense because He is “outside” of well… everything and therefore makes this whole thing illogical and mythical. Btw I’m not an atheist I am a theist, but I’m merely pointing out an issue here. Also, if we suggest that both good and evil/bad of any sort is from God, than well He possesses these as qualities within him, as if he were a character, he designed the evil to occur in which case being called “good” falls short in meaning; it doesn’t live up the the notion of the “maximally greatest possible being,” given that if such a being exist He must be superior to the human rational mind not inferior.
Virtually all of Dawkins supposed reasoning for refusing to debate Craig seems more like a sad attempt to avoid debating him, likely because he’d lose. He’d probably have sub par responses to Craig’s cosmological and historical resurrection arguments that he’s concluded it’s better to avoid for the sake of his reputation. If not, then why give so many irrelevant reasons for not debating him considering you think all theist arguments aren’t even convincing but also uncompelling. Surely he’d have the time of his life deconstructing them so effortlessly. Like seriously, being “pompous”, using basic philosophical language (he’s literally a philosopher), and defending a biblical episode which you can’t even objectively consider evil are just so unserious. Anyone, atheist or not, can admit this.
I’d respect him much more had he simply admitted that he’s simply uninterested or ill-prepared because it isn’t his area of expertise. But tbf, if you’ve based decades of your career attempting to deconstruct and expose the irrationality of religion, it isn’t exactly admirable to all of a sudden stay silent when someone provides a robust case arguing for the contrary (while still arrogantly claiming they’re arguments consistently still suck).
I think the main frustration any atheistically inclined debater would have is the admission of not knowing the kind of universe we happen to be in. Whereas, their opponent always knows the kind of universe they’re looking for. In the first case there are pieces to a puzzle that we don’t have the box for, the second knows the kind of puzzle they’re putting together.
I disagree. I think the theistic debater claims to know the type of universe we live in, but they have no basis of actually knowing. On that front, both debaters are in the same boat. No one actually knows.
“Knows” is a strong word. 🤣
@@kennybachman35Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over....
@@robwright8949Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........... they will pay for giving the back to God for this empty cult called atheism, soon or later... God will judge them as well. (they lost all dignity when they stopped to believe in God). No Dignity and no >>God, just a miserable alone godless life, to kiss godless alone ass. (The worst perople, the worst generation... None will cry once they will be over.....
You say you don’t know what type of universe we’re in. And that you don’t have all the pieces to the puzzle. Then the moment someone hypothesizes a casual creator you deny it with impolite certainty.
I think it would be a waste of time debating WLC anyway, as he constantly trots out the same time-worn arguments for god's existence. That's why I loved Hitchens' debate with him at Biola, where Hitch goes off the debate format and starts to throw various faith-challenging scenarios at him. You may have found WLC a nice guy Alex, but you stayed within comfortable boundaries and didn't challenge him. I find him to be intellectually bankrupt, as he cannot allow reason and/or logic to damage any of his pre-supp faith-based positions.
WLC is explicitly against pre-suppositonailism because it’s circular logic.
If you agree to debate someone and during the debate you change the rules don't be shocked the other person lost their temper.
There are top notch scientists who believe in a higher power and not necessarily Yahweh.
@mitchjames9350
So what? Lots of intellectual people still need a refuge for their emotional comfort and/or existential security. This is just a human blind spot and says nothing of any actual truth of the matter outside of theism being useful for emotional comfort and/or existential security
@@loganleatherman7647Scientists (and you seem to love science) ten times smarter than you come to a conclusion and you dismiss it with your absolute certainty about what religion is about.
Your display is a thorough example of cognitive bias no matter how much you lots pretend to embrace rationality.
Even if we grant their argument, they still can't rule out deism from their specific religion. Literally all religions can be justified using their criteria
Not really. Actively saying "I believe in X" is not the same as "I cant rule out X".
For all I know, theres a flying pig underground on mars. From a science perspective, we arent really gonna consider that, because its not testable. And deism here isnt testable, so its not worth considering. If someone were to believe in something without sufficient evidence, thats where the logic is faulty
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
Debating on whether or not there is a god and debating what that god is are 2 different debates. Apologists wouldn’t bother to add a whole extra argument into a debate that doesn’t ask for it
@@TEFFTPATTERN But apologists wants us to convert to their specific religion. So they are required to give an argument exclusive to their religion.
Agreed. I don't really have an issue with some sort of transcendent first cause. But how on Earth are you supposed to know it's the Christian God?
There is a huge difference between reluctantly admitting to some abstract view when pressed ('children getting cancer must somehow be good in some way I suppose'), and actively going out of your way to defend a specific atrocity, as Craig does.
Craig isn't as great as people think as he comes out with the usual script with no scientific evidence!
Dawkins calling someone pompous
lmao right
I'm pretty sure Dawkins is not "afraid" of debating WLC (or anyone). Indeed, he seems really convinced that it's impossible for the other side to find good arguments. He is really honest by saying that the true reason for not debatting him is that he has no respect for him and finds him despicable.
Well, but anyone can just say they find their opponent despicable and avoid debating. What if it were reversed and WLC refused to debate Dawkins because he considered Dawkins despicable (for reasons x, y and z)? Is that really what we want? Secondly, if Dawkins, as you say, "seems really convinced that it's impossible for the other side to find good arguments", then it would presumably be a total walk in the park for Dawkins - and a great opportunity to rack up an easy victory against one of the most prominent sufferers of the "delusion" he writes about, and by doing so, free many others of the same delusions. Why not go for it?
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
Tbf, you would think Dawkins was describing Hitler. No one listening to WLC would ever think he was abhorrent. Dawkins is literally the only one making this case
@@omnipop4936
1) He is under no obligation to debate anyone. No one is.
2) Brandolini's Law applies.
@@prosperitynuggets
You speak for everyone? How did you get that job?
A bunch of atheists left new atheism or atheism altogether from Dawkins wimping out. It was like pulling back the curtain and seeing the wizard in the wizard of Oz.
WLC is definitely more adept at philosophical debates than Dawkins, but he really dropped the ball when he recently claimed that he "lowers the bar" for Christianity. He has also claimed that if he had been told that Christianity offers a 1 in a million chance of being true (or something like that), that he could not pass up on those odds. Basically, WLC admits that he's only a Christian because Christians got to him first before Muslims, Jews or other religions that would offer similar or better odds.
Tell me u have never heard wlc speak without telling me uve never heard him speak
He very clearly says that other religions, he specified Islam in that particular debate, they don't have even close to the amount of evidence Christianity does
To compare the enormous amount of evidence for Christianity with any other religion, u would have to be brain-dead
I didn't even make such arguments when I was an atheist 😂
You’re an idiot stop commenting please
I'm sorry but please cite where WLC claims/indicates that he would have been Muslim or another religion if they got to him first. That does not at all align with his personal testimony, his doctorate studies, nor his catalogue of authored books, speeches, debates, and so on.
One of WLC biggest theological claims is the shock and extensive evidence he found for Jesus' death and resurrections while doing his doctorate studies. The Quran denies Christs death on the cross and resurrections - two claims that WLC defends vigorously and claims have strong historical evidence among both believers and non-believers.
This does not sound like a man who based his decision on a first come first serve basis or implied odds but I am willing to be corrected here.
@@ultracrepiderian If I remember correctly, that particular instance was from a podcast, not from a debate. Same podcast where he mentions that he lowers the bar for Christianity, which you conveniently chose not to address. I've heard WLC speak plenty of times and I was not comparing the evidence of one religion vs another. I was addressing two rather weak arguments by WLC.
You might find it helpful to listen to WLC’s follow up responses after he made those particular remarks you’re referencing. I felt it provided sufficient clarification. I’d shy away from viewing only rationally rules content on the matter. Best to hear from the direct source. WLC most certainly has not admitted he’d just as likely believe any of the other religions you mentioned had he had exposure to them first. If he has, provide sources.
I sympathize with Dawkins. Debating apologists has its uses and there are atheists who do that. But debating inevitably leads to debating christian metaphysics or breaking down minor biblical passages. Those arguments work on a certain type of person but there are many who don't care. Having people loudly and eloquently picking out Christianitys flaws without getting into the weeds of apologia is just as important as having debaters like Alex.
I'm with you. I think that there is nothing Dawkins and Craig can talk about. Especially after WLC response to his fan, Kyle:
"(...) I thought if there is just one chance in a million that this is true it's worth believing. So my attitude toward this is just the opposite of Kyle's. Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it. I think that this is a message which is so wonderful, so fantastic, that if there's any evidence that it's true then it's worth believing in,(...)"
There’s a conversation hosted by Justin from the Unbelievable podcast between Dawkins and Francis Collins. The entire conversion Dawkins is shown to be puzzled that a scientist much more sophisticated and waaaay more accomplished than him, a scientist with actual scientific work to his name is also a devout Christian. In his conversation with Dr Lennox Dawkins looks like a complete fool who doesn’t understand even the basics of Christian theology. I’m pretty sure Dr Craig would mop the floor with him and he knows it, thus why he’ll never debate Dr Craig.
Richard Dawkins is a respected biologist with much actual scientific accomplishments. Francis Collins is also respected for his biology contributions, but his theological arguments are juvenile.
@@lightbearer313 Dawkins gained notoriety for his publication of the selfish gene, which IS NOT a scientific work. It has no application for daily life, it’s Dawkins making guesses and such about evolution and how the gene operates, which is more like an embellished narrative. Collin’s on the other hand, lead the mapping of the human genome. This was a landmark achievement in human history. An incredible work with innumerable applications for every single field of science, medicine, and such. No one will take you seriously if you attempt to compare both of them at the scientific level. Dawkins is laughable here, Collin’s respected.
The predicted attack on his theological views is lame, but expected from internet atheists. You did well.
@@sammyking9407 As much as I like Francis Collins for his support of evolution, let's not pretend he became a Christian for strong intellectual reasons.
He saw a waterfall frozen in three streams and took that to be a sign of the trinity and accepted Jesus. If that was enough to convince him of Christianity then I have a bridge to sell him.
And stop with this stupid internet atheist meme. A lot of atheists are former believers and know more about the "holy" books and their history than believers, hence *why they're atheists.*
Get back to us when you have sufficient evidence for any god, then we can talk. It's been thousands of years and we're still waiting.
@@epicofgilgamesh9964 The topic at hand is not the theological views of Dr Collins, but his status as a proven scientist which surpasses anything Dawkins and you can dream of ever achieving. Which is what Dawkins finds appalling that a scientist by far superior than him is also a committed christian. Now, as a good internet atheists you have done the expected move. Make silly, childish remarks about peripheral issues and ignore the central one. You guys never disappoint and you did ver well here. Congrats.
I'm pretty sure I would wipe the floor with Dawkins in a debate about the existence of God. He just doesn't give a shit about the philosophical debate. He's like an atheist fundamentalist.
I can't tell if the semi praise for WLC in the comments comes from genuine admiration for him or just obessive grasping to shit on Dawkins.
Any debate I saw WLC take part in, the only thing that came out of his mouth was pontificating pseudo philosophy with a biblical twist. Seemed like a nice enough guy, but a semi smug snake oil salesman nonetheless.
Would an aramaic-speaking rabbi preaching around Judea two thousand years ago understand William Lane Craig? Probably not.
Alex : why wont you debate William Craig
Richard: ummmmmm ........
For 10 minutes 😂😂
It is obvious that the real reason why Richard Dawkins refuses to debate with William Craig is that he is afraid to do so. I am a serious student of the Bible and don’t share WLC’s theology in many respects but as the author of a famous book criticizing Christianity (God Delusion), RD has a duty to debate with someone considered the foremost Christian debater of our time.
Actually, even if such a debate took place, it wouldn’t have any real value as RD is not an expert on Christianity or any other religion. What I would like to see more is a debate between RD and expert critics of evolution such as Jonathan Wells, William Dembski, Stephen C. Mayer. It is a well known fact that RD has dodged challenges to a debate with such critics under false pretexts. In that sense RD is a con man and a coward, similar to Zakir Naik, an Islamic propagandist, who has carefully avoided debating with expert critics of Islam.
Those critics of evolution aren't in very great standing because of their intelligent design arguments 😅 but I do agree with the WLC part.
I don’t think that anyone is afraid of debating. You need to evaluate if the debate is worth the time. For RD it’s not and that’s all to it. Anyone pretending to know the reasons that anyone has to reach a conclusion with out asking the person first is just a opinion. If I was a scientist and I’m invited to a debate with a philosopher, I will not waist my time trying to mix oil with water. The problem with philosophical arguments is that they are not falsifiable and can not be proven true or false. It is by definition mental masturbation.
@@robertjimenez5984”your arguments aren’t worth my time.”
That wouldn’t fly with literally any other debate or field of study. If the arguments are that laughable they should be easy to dismantle. Dawkins is perfectly happy to waste his precious time on lesser intellects than WLC.
@@kirtanamrita2302 - I don't think they necessarily need to be in great standing. It's still interesting to hear what they have to say.
@@BobDingus-bh3pd you talk as if this topic has never been debated. What good will it be to keep hitting a dead horse? Theist presuppose a god and creates arguments upon this presuppose thing. This is not a debate for a biologist or any scientist. They are atheist that are in the philosophical field that are happy to debate people like WLC. Even these debates shows that all they are doing is hitting the dead house to see if it’s alive. But even worst because there is no dead horse. If there is a god, then let this god show it shelf and let’s end this discussion. If it can not show it self then it’s as good as not existing. If it has shown it self to others but not to me, then I am justify to not accept it exists. This is not complicated and debating this is a waist of time.
Every decent theologian and every decent bishop would say that the Bible is not true... what a load of lies...
But... This man won't allow someone to question his lies publicly.
"William Lane Craig has a loud and pompous voice" ... "Hey pot, the kettle is calling you out. LOL
Dawkins struggling to give a reason to why he won't debate William Lane Craig without saying "I don't want to because he is intelligent and gives good reason" is absolutely hilarious 😂.
I think you need to watch the video again. And for the record, WLC is not very impressive at all.
@MontyCantsin5 I did, that's how I came to the conclusion. He is clearly grasping for straws here and I respect Alex alot for pushing him on the issue.
Alex, you are a very smart human being. Thank you for your work. I am atheist since transformation just after reading your guest's book God Delusion and left religion. Now I am happy, free person feeling like throw out a stone from my stomach.
Hmm, OK, but TGD isn't especially convincing. RD is wrong on his 'if God made man, who made God' argument'. What I find unconvincing about Christianity is the absurdity of the atonement.
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
And bound for hell by rejecting what God said. You are saved when you believe and take God at his word. Believing your creator and accepting his free gift of redemption is true freedom.
That's good, but now it is time for better books.
Arguing against true believers in superstition can only be fruitless. Pompous? Yeas, to believe in the disgusting slaughter and then defend it is worse than pompous.
So cool you got to sit with this legend.
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get my justice
Alex is a legend and Dawkins is lucky to sit with him 😉
He couldn’t answer the question because he hasn’t actually debated any one of notoriety, one on one. It’s all been ether a panel format where there’s too many people to get into the crux of it all, or a tv personality that doesn’t know left from right
Not true. Do your research.
Who would you include in that format?
Dr Rowan Williams - former Archbishop of Canterbury, Prof John Lennox, Prof Alister McGrath, Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, Prof Francis Collins, Cardinal Pell
Bit ignorant are you, kitten?
Nobody good to debate anyways. Theyre all scammers.
I had to laugh at the outright honesty you got at 9;26.
That kind of sharing is worthy of respect, at the very least.
Mr. Dawkins is slowing, but as a pioneer who swam against a very heavy current, I cannot help but still admire the man.
Nicely done. 😊
Richard Dawkins molested me and i will not rest till i get justice
A pioneer in bad arguments and criticizing thinkers he hasn't even read?
@@suntzu7727 absolutely
He is, but Alex sure does talk over him a lot in this video.
Pioneer of what, exactly? Do you believe he came up with any new arguments for atheism? I can tell you he didn't. Not only that he didn't even read the Bible to check his "facts"
Debating is not how we gain knowledge about the nature of the physical universe. We do it through careful observation and analysis of natural phenomena.
When theists can come forward with data about observed natural phenomena that can be analyzed, that in some way can lead to conclusions about gods, then by all means they should present it. Until then they have nothing. Debates are almost entirely for entertainment purposes, which is fine. Let's just be honest about that.
Arguably debating can be a means to communicate _already gained_ knowledge to others. But a proper education, sitting in a classroom, in front of an expert teacher, reading textbooks written by the best minds on the subject, is probably better.
@@billwalton4571 If you're going to nitpick then I'll respond in kind. "Analyse" is the British English spelling and "analyze" is the American English spelling. Both are correct.
I refer you to the Oxford English Dictionary, which lists both spellings. My copy of the Merriam-Webster dictionary, which gives American spellings, lists only "analyze".
Happy now?
triggered
Dawkins won't debate Craig again because he doesn't like to lose.
Dawkins does not want to debate Craig, because he would need too much time to prepare for it. Craig uses complex and convoluted sophistry, which are like riddles, and he insists that you must solve all these riddles in order to prove him wrong. Moreover, Craig immediately spits many of such riddles at once and he opens several complex subjects, like morality, creation, design, etc. Then he basically states that all these points prove that he is correct, unless you go through each and every one of a thousand points that he has made, which are absolutely all nonsense, and debunk them. You really need to prepare extremely well if you want to beat Craig at his game. Dawkins does not want to do that and it's even arguable whether he would be able to do it even if he wanted.
YES! I totally agree. This needs to be said more. Craig would annihilate Dawkins, but not because he is correct. Craig also destroyed Hitchens, who brought a shotgun to a sharpshooting event; or, to paraphrase a great quote from a movie: Hitchens used a broadsword when what was needed was a scalpel.
All that aside, I like how Alex looks like that he has just got out of bed
That's likely actually the case. 😂
@@omnipop4936 probably ❤
He's too young to use bed head as a ' look .'
What if God isn't "all" powerful, just really really powerful and creative? What if he or he/she/it can't prevent pain and evil? It always concerns me that atheists -- instead of questioning the existence of God -- question and rightly dismiss the Christian version of God, or the Islamic version, etc, this all-powerful almighty deity that is still alive today. Other options do exist, guys.
Atheism is largely a response to Christianity and Islam and their apologetics.
I think you'll find a Christian who believes in a God that's merely 'very powerfull' an exceltion.
Shame, Dawkins is losing his marbles! "I don't like William Craig because he has a more pompous accent than mine!" 😅
Yeah, I thought that was really rich, coming from Dawkins! 😂
Debating anyone who doesn't come from a point of logic, i.e. a theologian, is a waste of time. Especially someone like Craig who thinks he knows everything because he got some bullshit degrees from religion school. Dawkins is a scientist. He works in the realm of the real world.
@MarkoVukovic0 Well, you are right. I grew up in an old house with numerous paranormal activities. It was during lunch at work that I shared just one of my experiences with my colleagues. I recalled the night my sisters and I were both woken up by someone playing our toy drum. The beat was slow but loud enough to wake both of us in different parts of the house. To which my colleagues said it was possibly caused by rats! At that moment, I realised that these 'intellectuals', evidence based thinkers totally failed to take in the evidence and put forward their preposterous explanation - rats playing my toy drum! At that point, I realised there was no point talking to people with closed minds! There were numerous other strange incidents my siblings and I encountered in that house. For that reason, I am open to the idea of a spiritual dimension. After all, even Dawkins believes in the possibility of aliens and other lifeforms. Why not angelic and spirits or souls of the deceased? I do work in the realm of the real world.
@@7pinky791 so... other than your story, what was your evidence for 'someone' playing your toy drum? Do you have video recordings of these paranormal activities? Did anyone at any point document and study any of this? Or, are we just supposed to take your word for it? If there really was such a thing as souls, spirits or angels, don't you think that by now there would be some evidence for it, and these wouldn't be considered paranormal but just normal? Wake up or stop lying.
@MarkoVukovic0 mate, I just shared 1 of many incidents. I was nine years old, and my sister was 15 at the time. It was in the early hours of the morning (2:00 - 3:00 a.m). No, we did not have a group of paranormal investigators in my bedroom! Like I said, this was just one of many strange incidents. We gotten used to it. No, it wasn't the Boomtown Rats playing my toy drum. It's strange how you started calling me a liar for sharing my experience. Why? Is it because your mind is too narrow to unpack the real-world experience?
You don't want to sound arrogant but you do.....
Does anyone remember when Richard was on Australian Q and A and he was laughed at when questioned about nothing?
Sometimes Richard sounds proud and arrogant too. What a silly argument when you do it too.
No, I don't remember that, because it is highly doubtful that that happened. If people did laugh, it was with him not at him.
@@lightbearer313 search for it!!!!I've seen the video many times on TH-cam. If you don't search for it then you are blindly following.
I'm absolutely devastated. Richard Dawkins is saying there are no good arguments for the existence of God! What have we all been doing these past 2000 years?🙄
Think about everything else humans have been demonstrably wrong about over the past 2000 years. Now apply that same line of thinking to theology and you’ll see that we have no right to think that anyone was even mostly correct for the past 2000 years about this topic as well. Speculating only gets you so far when you’re looking for truths of reality rather than just having something to fall back on for emotional comfort and existential security
So John Lenox making him admit that he lied about Jesus by calling him out on his book didn't make him formidable this is what Self-Delusion looks like ladies and gentlemen.
As a Christian Alex really challenges me. Dawkins never ever did.
0:45
Amen!
You should focus on the arguments and logic proposed. Not the person.
Belief in an undetectable being is bonkers, and how anyone believes in such things after childhood is beyond me.
@@MontysKillerRabbit I do. Dawkins doesn't make any. That's why Alex is so compelling.
@@seedofwonder
You don't.
Dawkins has explained in detail why baseless belief has no place in grown up thinking.
No one should focus on who's making the argument, just the argument.
I enjoy Alex O'Conner despite being a devoted Christian and a PhD level National Laboratory Physicist that worked 34 years measuring Nuclear Weapons and I contributed significantly to Medical Cancer Therapy. In terms of being Pompous, no one is more pompous than Richard Dawkins. In my opinion Alex O'Conner is much more persuasive to the Athiest position than a Richard Dawkins. I should congratulate Dawkins for making so many people consider Christianity seriously!
Just take a look at the Athiests on the debate circuit, they look so miserable and unhappy compared to the committed life-long Christians!
My criticism to most Athiests is that they go after all the wrong things in Christianity. Why pick at aspects of the Bible and its history and things that happen on Earth to people and animals as if we can explain them somehow with either a Biblical or Athiest Worldview. Many questions dont have answers and only God or a being far more intelligent than ourselves!!!!
Alex is the Don of atheistic conversations/platforms.
No one else compares. Not even close
The real reason is because he is afraid of debating Craig, and has made up this phony outrage in order to avoid it.
@@nithionvanlithe9369 It’s because Craig is a pompous, smug ass, who will always assert he is right about everything. It’s like playing chess with a pigeon; No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board, knock over the pieces and strut around like it won anyway.
Craig’s condescending smile is infuriating.
@@kellydalstok8900 the whole point of a debate is not to focus on personalities. If it was no one would debate Dawkins.
I wouldn't really see much point in evolutionary biologist debating someone who whole world view stems from theology. I would quite like to see Richy debate Stephen Meyer. But Dawkins is correct on what would be the point in debating people like Ken Ham . Leave that to a pretend scientist like Bill Nye. Stephen Meyer at least accepts the age of the earth, the big bang 13.7 billion years ago, so that may be quite interesting.
Excellent interview, Alex. I agree with Dawkins on Craig. I've seen debates with Craig and he shares his views as if they were a matter of fact. No evidence, just assertions. Like most theists I've seen and heard. I'm equally annoyed by Jordan Peterson who clearly has created his own version of God and religion. Peterson just strings together statements, that on their own don't stand up. But, when spoken together in one stream of consciousness seem to say something. It's no mistake he's called out for his word salads.
I hear him making philosophical argumenents.
You must not of watched Craig then 😂😂😂 . Evidence includes cosmological , fine tuning , moral to make a few ….
@@dannyslag Danny, you don't seem to understand the argument at all...or maybe you're just pretending not to.
Nah this is off.
He gives philosophical arguments. Logical arguments all the time.
The longer you study religion with the intent to prove God's existence, the less connected to reality you become. That doesn't happen with scientists.
It's funny because I feel the exact inverse. Denying God's existence is like denying reality to me, yet if you do it for long enough, you might end up convincing yourself.
That's wrong -- the more you study the science, the clearer the inference of God becomes.
The more you focus on science and secularism without a set of objective morals the more your life decays and descends into animalism. Alex has criticized atheists in the past for not having any explanation for their morality. Dawkins has no answer, Hitchens doesn't either. This worldview leads to nihilism and nihilism leads to societal decay.
@@20july1944It's an illusion.
@@kangaroomax8198Just because it's immoral, doesn't mean it's false. This classic moralistic fallacy. I see thiests commit this all time. Truth ultimately can be immoral in it's foundation.
if the first 2 premise are true then deduction that follows from it is necessarily true arguing against deductive logic is arguing against reason
I wouldn't debate William Lane Craig on God either. (Though not for precisely the same reasons Richard Dawkins cites.) Craig has literally spent his entire adult professional life creating arguments to establish God's existence, etc. He's also very self-confident, and has done this kind of thing many times before. Thus, when he states "deduction 1 of premise 2", I wouldn't know what to say. At least not "live". This may sound like his arguments are so compelling that I'm intellectually frightened of him. No. If I spent spent half the time on God as he has, then I could write my responses in print or on line (rather than live). As it is, debating with William Lane Craig is much like debating with a politician - except that politicians don't use phrases like "nomological", "necessary and sufficient conditions", "deduction", etc. So I wouldn't debate Craig, just as I wouldn't debate Donald Trump/Hilary Clinton or Anjem Choudhary (the militant Islamist).