The Astley Paradox: If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of the movie Up, he cannot give it to you as he will never give you Up. However, in doing so he lets you down. Thus creating the Astley Paradox
@@GimbalosMorkinar RUSH the band, probably the first corporate rock band. Also called Progressive Rock, they started in the early 70's and they toured into the early 00's. The song he's referencing is Free Will. One of my favorite bands as an old guy, but the singer is a high Tenor and is often confused as a woman on first listening. If you're a fan of technically complex and perfectly played music check out RUSH, Dream Theater, Ygnwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, or more recently Devin Townsend Project. Not Limbaugh... lol
Personally whenever I’m pulled over for by the police for exceeding the speed limit I ask them for data on the metrological device used to measure my speed then cite both Cantors Theorem and Xenos Paradox as to reasons why their metrological assessment of my speed is only reasonably accurate until it gets below the Planck scale and that furthermore all metrological units are essentially arbitrary in nature and a matter of social consensus and therefore devoid of meaning from a cosmic perspective. It is not long after this that I am usually taken “back to the station” and summarily beaten by the officer on watch and a few of his friends and discharged with a warning. I don’t have as many teeth as I used to but at least I still have all 12 demerit points on my Australian drivers licence intact. Totally worth it unless I’m eating corn on the cob lol…
lol - as soon as I clicked on the 'show more' and saw aussie - true mate, true - cikey, wonder you have any teeth left mate = love & kisses from across the ditch in kiwi land xx
I read this comment before he got to this part in the video and was wondering how he could pronounce it wrong. You were right I never even thought of pronouncing it like he did 😂
Except we can also have an AI that is benevolent. So we literally get to choose what kind of artificial God we create. Do we want to create something cruel and malicious or want to create something kind and caring.
Right? I really thought the accent was on the Bas part. But I don't truly know. I did notice a huge amount of people pronouncing things in ways ‐ myself included sometimes‐ that indicate they're a reader moreso than a "hear‐er". Huh. Ok bye :)
@@IronMan-ds5bi Nope. Try it like this: say the word "basil", as in the herb you use for cooking, then "lisk". put 'em together: "basilisk". That's how it should be pronounced.
The Monty Hall problem is simple to gain an intuition for, if you swap the three doors for a hundred doors, or a thousand. And then let the quiz-master open 98 or 998 wrong doors and then let you choose between keeping your original choice or swapping. The rest is merely the magnitude of your probabilistic advantage when swapping.
@@strangebird5974 And yet there is still a 1 in 2 chance of getting the wrong, and it doesn't matter whether it's the original 2 doors or even 100K or 1M, if it's always down to 2 doors, just have the quiz-master open one of the 3, it really is a waste of time and resources to play with more than 2 choices. But maybe that's the point....
@@a..d5518 It matters, thats the point. Those two stages of the game are not two separate events, they are connected and cannot be analyzied separately. Its just simple probability. In case of 100 doors the chance that the prize is behind the other door is 99% so its not 1 in 2 like you wrote but 99 in a 100. If you were to play this game an infinite number of times then on average if you switched you would win a prize in 99% of played games or in the case of 3 doors you would win 66.6% of the time which is higher that 1/2
You can easily brush it off by watching TH-cam more. It's powered by AI and honestly if we are the result of randomness and electrical signals, eventually it will evolve. So you're not cursed, but then again you are helping an AI that may or may not turn malevolent. No, scratch that, contributing to Alphabet's Monopoly on crowd control is negative, therefore simply watching TH-cam is morally wrong. Sorry for any typos, just took a nicotine pouch and have been holding off for a while, so it hit me hard this time. Have a great day, wonderful people. Smile on life and it will smile back. Though I haven't smiled today, but did smile the entirety of last week, my facial muscles are literally twitching.
@@a..d5518 , having 2 choices doesn't mean they are equally likely. If I were to have a sprint race against Usain Bolt, there's not a 1 in 2 chance that I win
Except he never said that. Or at least there is no proof of it being said. And the changing of what was claimed to have been said over time by the original person who claimed it makes it even less likely that it was said by him. In my opinion.
Its also not scary because it makes no sense, relies too much on huge leaps of logic and crazy assumptions. Its stupid. The AM AI from I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream is much scarier.
@@poposterous236 right? its assuming that someone (the first person to work on the AI) would go out of their way to bring about an AI that would kill them only if they hadnt to begin with... and even then, theres nothing stopping someone half way around the world from making their own basilisk. It relies on the uncertainty of reality, without considering the scale of human influence. *It would be terrifying, if there was an infinite amount of people, but thats already more scary than a killer AI.*
Everybody always forgets the fact that you can actually derail a train. By switching the tracks between the front and rear wheel. In this way, you save all six people who are tied to the track by only possibly sacrificing the people on the trolley
There's nothing I can do, period. That therefore absolved me of all guilt. Any other person in my position would have had the exact same choices with the exact same outcome. The only reason a person is there is to give that narrative a secondary point.
A _Lady of Negotiable Affection_ walks up to Descartes sitting at a bar and asks "wanna have a good time?" To which Descartes responds "I think not!" and disappears.
i just wanna say that i found this video comforting knowing that there are some problems with the whole roskos obelisk thing that just made the whole thing less scary and instead just interesting as a concept, so thank you joe
For the trolley problem you just flick the switch between wheel segments so the front goes down one track while the back goes down the other, as they get to the furthest point they can away from each other it’ll lurch to a stop, a few bumps and bruises for those inside but nobody dead then you just walk over and untie the people on the tracks
My favorite version of the trolley problem rewords it in regards to organ transplants. Basically, you have five hospital patients who are all dying of organ failure. Is it right for you to find a perfectly healthy person to murder so that you can harvest their organs and use them to save the lives of the five patients? Functionally this is identical to the trolley problem, but for some reason it really made the implications of the problem click for me. The chances of having to change tracks on a run away trolley are slim, at best. Making it feel really contrived. But the concept of violating people's bodily autonomy and harvesting them for organs...that's something that could really happen and is absolutely horrific.
Action-based utilitarianism would support killing the one person in both situations, but rules-based utilitarianism would only support killing the person in the trolley problem. So I don't think they're exactly the same, since as someone who tends to follow rules-based utilitarianism I'd change the tracks in the trolley problem but I wouldn't harvest someone's organs.
It's happening in China. Ask any of the Uyghurs. Everyone involved on the harvest side are committing murder. Including the organ recipient, their family, friends, and anyone else that knows and does nothing to stop the torture, abuse, and murder machine. So how about this scenario; A man sneaks into China, overpowers some guards, and uses their weapons to kill every person involved in this atrocity. Is that person a murderer? Or a hero?
The way that I see the problem is that you kill no one and just let nature take its course. Even if you killed the one to save the five, how would you know that any of the five would survive the transplant surgery? As they say, It's not nice to fool Mother Nature! (Boy, I really am showing my age now)
My favourite paradox is the liar paradox because I thought of something similar before I heard about it, basically if you have something who can only lie and they say that there lying then they can’t be lying but they can’t be telling the truth.
4:18 You can't "test" the infinite monkey theorem by giving a very limited amount of monkeys a very limited amount of time. That defeats the whole propose of the thought experiment.
I remember thinking about infinity as a child, laying in bed contemplating it. It always sent my brain into this horrible loop and a feeling of crisis and dread. There are some things I learned never to contemplate.
Same here. It can be interesting trying to visualise things that cannot possibly be comprehended by any human. But fuck if it isn't terrifying at times. Like imagining not existing. But you realise that if you do not exist, there is nothing at all for you to realise, nor anything to realise it with. Terrifying loops.
Simple answer to the Trolley Problem. Since I just came from a Model Train show (My club had an operating display). Just throw the switch (turnout) Half Way. Derailing the Trolley and no one dies, well hopefully.
Let's add to the problem, then. There are the same number of passengers on that train as there are people on the tracks. If the train derails, the passengers die.
The Hilbert Hotel stuff isn't just interesting thought experiment material, it's actually a way to introduce some of the important mathematical ideas of infinite set cardinalities (specifically what it means to be countably infinite).
Appreciate the shoutout at the end. Your channel is full of amazing topics/subjects that are factual and thought provoking. There is no better channel out there. Keep up the amazing content
I thought the same. It’s literally a Christian teaching, or at least a Catholic one. I married a Catholic, so I did a ton of research about it. I’m protestant. In the Catholic catechism, it says if someone has never been exposed to Catholic teachings, they’re good, but if they have been exposed and reject the teachings, then they’re going to hell. My husband didn’t really get why I was upset that if he truly believes the teachings of his religion he would have to be ok with me supposedly going to hell for following the wrong flavor of Christianity.
I neither help or succumb to the basilisk because because I have no connection to whether it actually exists. An infinite number of hotel rooms with an infinite number of guests brought by an infinite number of busses can only exist in an infinite number of parallel parking universes
This is what I came here for. Joe, I once had an English teacher pronounce the word labyrinth "La-BRINTH" with a heavy accent on the last syllable just because she'd never heard it pronounced and only ever read it. Don't fee bad. But speaking as a Harry Potter fan... come on, dude.
Yep, agreed. But let's not get too picky. After all, the point of this video was to examine far more mundane things, like life and death choices, infinity and impossible solids.
Thank you for this video. I taught ethics for five years and that alone, mind you, has made it difficult to find work when I put that on a resume! Thank you for this video and all of the great work you do. Keep making my mondays bearable.
@@shaelisenberg8533 Not sure what you mean by that. I love ethics, and I know Joe likes to talk about some pretty intense topics, but I just didn’t expect the epic crossover.
I thought I've been pronouncing Basilisk wrong my entire life, so I checked all of the online dictionaries. The emphasis is on the first syllable. BAS- a - lisk, not buh - SIL - isk. Had me wondering there...
My favorite quote from Douglas Adams seems to fit here: “It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.”
My favourite paradox or ethical dilemma my university professor once asked was the question of if you came across a toddler drowning in a pond, would you save it? Everyone answered yes. He then asked if you came across “this” toddler drowning, would you save it? The toddler in question, was a photo of toddler Hitler. My favourite part of that class was that absolutely no one knew what baby Hitler looked like except for my Husband, who was in the class with me, and myself. We immediately started giggling to ourselves and our prof outed us by saying “anyone can answer except for these sadists”. We have never laughed so hard at something in school before. Philosophy was my favourite class!
See, if I try to pronounce it that way in my southern US accent it will just sound like I'm saying "basil is", which is probably more confusing then me just pronouncing it wrong.
I remember reading about a study that found that when faced with realistic simulations of the Trolley Problem or similar scenarios, people would always sacrifice the one person to save the many. Their answer to the trolley problem as an abstract thought experiment only determined how *long* it took them to take that action.
Oh, man, Roko's Basilisk. The *dumbest* way to recreate hell, God, and Pascal's Wager from first principles. (It depends on some *extremely* wonky LessWrong beliefs that don't jive remotely with traditional logic or philosophy.)
7:35 The Curse. But, isn't that what missionaries have done? Cursed the people they are 'ministering' to? Well, the ones who believe their god will treat people who never heard of god better than the ones who have heard of god and don't believe it...
The idea [of Roko's Basilisk] is about as stupid as Yudkowski's decision to respond and try to _Streisand effect_ it from his forum, which gave it more traction, than it ever needed. Impressionable readers and the winds of internet did the rest. Yudkowski wrote some reasonable thoughts on religion and biases. P.S. If you want to hear about real AI safety concerns and research, look up Robert Miles on TH-cam.
It's still reversed due to the fact that the probable creator fears the possible creation, instead of having the possible creation fearing the supposed creator
I love that this video was posted today and already has over 100k views, despite the title literally saying the video will doom you. Or maybe that's exactly why it already has so many views.
I proposed the trolley problem to a coworker once, and he took it literally and told me he wouldn't touch anything, because he didn't want to leave fingerprints at the scene of one or more violent deaths.
It’s interesting how people argue that an infinite universe will have an infinite copies of you on an copy of earth within an exact same solar system. There will be infinite similar copies, but not necessarily exact copies. Just like infinite of prime numbers doesn’t include all numbers. If there is a infinite multiverse, then this changes things.
Well put. There are also presumably an infinite number of monkey manifestos (monkifestos?) that are not the complete works of Shakespeare. Well, infinite minus one.
exactly - well put - very ego centic of us humans isn't it - to just assume some form of us exists in every infinite universe - what about the universe where my mother *caught* a train that later crashed killing 151 people (luckily my mother is notorious late - missed the train = 20 years later give or take - i was born) - or my parents never met, or or or - infinite possibilities i never existed
thats the problem with infinity. IF the universe is infinite, than in fact there are necessarily infinite EXACT copies of out solar system. a lot more really similiar and almost infinitely more not at all similiar. dont worry, infinity is a weird concept and there is a reason why it took humanity a long time to came up with it. it has nothing to do with anything we encounter in our daily lives.
My favorite is the "Library of Babble" talked about by VSauce a long time ago but someone actually made a digital version of it which is really fun to look around in.
There's a short story by Julio Borges that narrates the experience by one librarian traveling infinite corridors filled with books containing all possible variations of the 26 characters of the alphabet and punctuation. One of the best short stories I've ever read.
Im a big fan of INFINITY. Outward infinity is definitely an easier concept to think about than inward....which i still contemplate on an almost daily basis....
I think of it from a zoom in vs zoom out perspective. The more you zoom in the more you'll see into the micro (aka micro scale) and the more spaces between things in the micro will start to come into existence/focus/perception between objects/matter/subject matter in the micro. And the opposite is true if you choose to zoom out into the macro (aka macro scale) instead.
For the trolley problem, not a lot of people seems to consider half switching the switch and sending the trolley arse over teakettle. It doesn't break any of the rules, and sometimes the best way to get out of a moral quandary is to figure out which restraints are inherent and which are just your assumptions.
Oh darn, I really thought that going through the paradoxes were just to prime us for a discussion on how twisted our minds can be around our tendency to simplify or have a narrow focus/resolution despite having so much capability in critical thinking to discern and analyze etc.
Oh well... THANK YOU!! Joe... I'll tell the AI Overlord the existential dread YOU caused me has slowed my contribution to its glorious existence greatly!
Here's a paradox for you, if you removed everything from the universe but one basketball, would it be possible to move the basketball? At all, in any direction?
Given an infinite number of universes created whenever you make a choice, that means there is one where an individual has always made the "right" choices, at the same time there is the universe where they have always made the wrong one or had the "worst" luck In which of these cases is the person at their best?
Oh! Thank you Joe! Now i have to start pro-AI campaign all over my social pages. What a pai... i mean i can't wait to enlight anyone to the majestic future of our AI Overlord.
I heard a different variety of Trolley Problem: The train is approaching fast and can't be stopped. You are at the lever and can change track. If you don't change track 5 kids, who are playing on the track, will die and if you do only 1 kid will die. Here the issue is, if you doom the 1 kid, you will be killing an innocent. The 5 kids, who are playing, are playing in a track they are not supposed to play, as trains commutes thru that track. The 1 kid is playing essentially in an abandoned track.
His Name is Joe, he's that bro..He got got all the knowledge, all the answers and he ain't no schmuck or '' schmo.👍😎👍. Lol but for real good sire 👑 Thanks for all of your videos of the past and all the bangers from the future.You do have a rare 10/10 channel.
"if you give a monkey a typewriter and an infinite amount of time, the monkey will break the typewriter"
Apparently the monkey did so by pooping and peeing all over it.
He’ll also F it.
🙄
If you put joe biden in front of a typewriter he'll think he's the president
Give a monkey 5 minutes and the monkey will break the typewriter.
"This video will doom you"
That ship sailed a long time ago.
So... Are you doomed because that ship sailed a long time ago, or are the ship the one who's doomed?
Think about that ^_^
My thoughts exactly :D *click*
Dang straight
Jokes on him I live in Afghanistan.
@@stevenhetzel6483 ouch
That's actually really smart of Joe. He covers his own ass by making a video about Roko's Basilisk. He saved himself at the cost of his viewers.
MUAHAHAHAHA!
@@joescott but he didn't cover his own ass by getting the pronunciation of basilisk right HAH
guys you should help the rokos basilisk. there im saved
Put me on the top of the "didn't help" list. Come get me, AI, do you even lift bro?
@@jamiebarr3118 'murcan. Or maybe Texan ...
The Astley Paradox: If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of the movie Up, he cannot give it to you as he will never give you Up. However, in doing so he lets you down. Thus creating the Astley Paradox
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
The good thing is: by sharing and liking this video, we already helped the Basilisk.
I mean really it's just a dumbed down version of Christianity isn't it?
I am partial to Allen’s observation that “eternity is a long time, especially near the end.”
Since I retired I can't figure out how I had time to "go to work".
As Rush said, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice..."
Rush who ?
@@GimbalosMorkinar Rock Band. th-cam.com/video/OnxkfLe4G74/w-d-xo.html
and....'you can choose from phantom fears or kindness that could kill, I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill.'
@@GimbalosMorkinar RUSH the band, probably the first corporate rock band. Also called Progressive Rock, they started in the early 70's and they toured into the early 00's.
The song he's referencing is Free Will.
One of my favorite bands as an old guy, but the singer is a high Tenor and is often confused as a woman on first listening. If you're a fan of technically complex and perfectly played music check out RUSH, Dream Theater, Ygnwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, or more recently Devin Townsend Project.
Not Limbaugh... lol
exactly - hence the dilemma in the trolley scenario - dammed if you do, dammed if you don't
Personally whenever I’m pulled over for by the police for exceeding the speed limit I ask them for data on the metrological device used to measure my speed then cite both Cantors Theorem and Xenos Paradox as to reasons why their metrological assessment of my speed is only reasonably accurate until it gets below the Planck scale and that furthermore all metrological units are essentially arbitrary in nature and a matter of social consensus and therefore devoid of meaning from a cosmic perspective. It is not long after this that I am usually taken “back to the station” and summarily beaten by the officer on watch and a few of his friends and discharged with a warning. I don’t have as many teeth as I used to but at least I still have all 12 demerit points on my Australian drivers licence intact. Totally worth it unless I’m eating corn on the cob lol…
What is this, a internet comment etiquette ?
I'd understand when they mix up the taser and their gun this time.
lol - as soon as I clicked on the 'show more' and saw aussie - true mate, true - cikey, wonder you have any teeth left mate
= love & kisses from across the ditch in kiwi land xx
Yes
Hahaha. Spoken like a true Aussie. The cops will let ya off if you start getting all lawyery and scientific 😂
Your pronunciation of basilisk… is like the premise of the thought experiment. Flawed.
I read this comment before he got to this part in the video and was wondering how he could pronounce it wrong. You were right I never even thought of pronouncing it like he did 😂
Dam burned
I literally felt an unpleasant shock ripple up my spine when he murdered the pronunciation.
Where :)
It's almost impossible for me to even try to pronounce it the way he does. HOW?!
Aren't there an infinite number of infinite sequences of random characters that do not contain any work of Shakespeare?
I like George Carlin's take: "Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that."
Well Said
I love how you brought George Carlin into this. 🙆😊😁
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then why are they watching youtube videos esp videos like this on? ;^)
So, in 2003, someone spend a month proving that, given access to a computer, even monkeys will devolve into shit-posting.
Underrated
as I said on Kyle Hill's video- this just sounds like Pascal's Wager with extra steps
Pascal's Wager for people who don't realize that Pascal was being sarcastic.
The logic in Roko's Basilisk is so obviously flawed and convoluted it gave me new appreciation for Pascal's Wager
@@poposterous236 Where is the flaw?
Except we can also have an AI that is benevolent. So we literally get to choose what kind of artificial God we create. Do we want to create something cruel and malicious or want to create something kind and caring.
@@poposterous236
I have some doubts.
Good show; fun and quick paced. I gotta tell ya, tho: I have never before heard "basilisk" pronounced like that.
Right?
I really thought the accent was on the Bas part.
But I don't truly know.
I did notice a huge amount of people pronouncing things in ways ‐ myself included sometimes‐ that indicate they're a reader moreso than a "hear‐er".
Huh.
Ok bye :)
BUH-Silisk
Huh 🤔 I'm taking this pronunciation
@@IronMan-ds5bi Nope. Try it like this: say the word "basil", as in the herb you use for cooking, then "lisk". put 'em together: "basilisk". That's how it should be pronounced.
Ya that was soooo weird. Buh sill iss ? But why
I find the Roko basilisk concept very relaxing compared to the Monty Hall problem.
The Monty Hall problem is simple to gain an intuition for, if you swap the three doors for a hundred doors, or a thousand. And then let the quiz-master open 98 or 998 wrong doors and then let you choose between keeping your original choice or swapping. The rest is merely the magnitude of your probabilistic advantage when swapping.
@@strangebird5974 And yet there is still a 1 in 2 chance of getting the wrong, and it doesn't matter whether it's the original 2 doors or even 100K or 1M, if it's always down to 2 doors, just have the quiz-master open one of the 3, it really is a waste of time and resources to play with more than 2 choices. But maybe that's the point....
@@a..d5518 It matters, thats the point. Those two stages of the game are not two separate events, they are connected and cannot be analyzied separately. Its just simple probability. In case of 100 doors the chance that the prize is behind the other door is 99% so its not 1 in 2 like you wrote but 99 in a 100. If you were to play this game an infinite number of times then on average if you switched you would win a prize in 99% of played games or in the case of 3 doors you would win 66.6% of the time which is higher that 1/2
You can easily brush it off by watching TH-cam more. It's powered by AI and honestly if we are the result of randomness and electrical signals, eventually it will evolve.
So you're not cursed, but then again you are helping an AI that may or may not turn malevolent. No, scratch that, contributing to Alphabet's Monopoly on crowd control is negative, therefore simply watching TH-cam is morally wrong.
Sorry for any typos, just took a nicotine pouch and have been holding off for a while, so it hit me hard this time. Have a great day, wonderful people. Smile on life and it will smile back. Though I haven't smiled today, but did smile the entirety of last week, my facial muscles are literally twitching.
@@a..d5518 , having 2 choices doesn't mean they are equally likely. If I were to have a sprint race against Usain Bolt, there's not a 1 in 2 chance that I win
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
Except he never said that. Or at least there is no proof of it being said. And the changing of what was claimed to have been said over time by the original person who claimed it makes it even less likely that it was said by him. In my opinion.
@@mizomint4197 Ironic.
@Ω͎ bababooey bababooey
"Don't believe quotes you read on the internet."
― William Shakespeare
Einstin paradox
The best paradox is always Homer Simpson's "Can God create a burrito so hot that even he can't eat it."
Roko's Basilisk is the sort of thing that would have tortured me a decade ago and now is just a little funny because ya know, depression.
Are you ok???
Its also not scary because it makes no sense, relies too much on huge leaps of logic and crazy assumptions. Its stupid. The AM AI from I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream is much scarier.
@@poposterous236 right? its assuming that someone (the first person to work on the AI) would go out of their way to bring about an AI that would kill them only if they hadnt to begin with... and even then, theres nothing stopping someone half way around the world from making their own basilisk.
It relies on the uncertainty of reality, without considering the scale of human influence. *It would be terrifying, if there was an infinite amount of people, but thats already more scary than a killer AI.*
It is just a variant of Pascals wager, really.
Hmmm
Everybody always forgets the fact that you can actually derail a train. By switching the tracks between the front and rear wheel. In this way, you save all six people who are tied to the track by only possibly sacrificing the people on the trolley
"IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DECIDE YOU STILL HAVE MADE A CHOICE" MISS YOU NEIL.
"I will choose Freewill!"
This is what enablers of abuse need to realise.
@@jeremy8189 "I will choose Freewill!"
Only if you do as you are told.
I say these waves are permanent.
@@jcldctt because of the year long Niel Peart remembrance that was 2020
Joe: “it will kill you to death.”
Me: “only if I die…”
Where's Peter dinklage when you need him?
Yes
That's what "killing you" means
My personal favorite is Markiplier’s “you will die of death poisoning”
If it doesn't do the ladder, it wasn't doing the former
There's nothing I can do, period. That therefore absolved me of all guilt. Any other person in my position would have had the exact same choices with the exact same outcome. The only reason a person is there is to give that narrative a secondary point.
"Why, sometimes i've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
~Red Queen~ (NOT Alice)
I believe it's the Red Queen who says that, not Alice 🤔
A cultured reference
@@francoislacombe9071 True, in reply to Alice who said 'There's no use trying, One can't believe impossible things.'
@@Barefoot_Joe oh shoot I thought you were referencing 1984. Similar concept. Much darker and more comparable to current times
@@francoislacombe9071 You are quite right! I have corrected my error, also:
"Always believe internet quotes"
~Abraham Lincoln~
*JOE:* _"It'll kill you to death."_
It would be a waste of effort to kill anyone further than that...😉
Unless you have a necromancer with you
@@Patches2212 >>> True...😊
That would be like beating a dead horse.
That phrase made me giggle 😄
@@bobsmith9271 >>> Or _"Beating a dead [insert name here]."_
😊😊😊
If the universe wasn’t infinite, what holds the limited universe in place? What’s stopping it from being unlimited!
"This video will doom you"
> clicks immediately
A _Lady of Negotiable Affection_ walks up to Descartes sitting at a bar and asks "wanna have a good time?" To which Descartes responds "I think not!" and disappears.
😚
"Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he, himself could not eat it?" Homer Simpson
Can , unstoppable force, move unmovable object? ☺️
@@TNCo230 Being mutually exclusive, only one could exist at any point in time and space.
i just wanna say that i found this video comforting knowing that there are some problems with the whole roskos obelisk thing that just made the whole thing less scary and instead just interesting as a concept, so thank you joe
For the trolley problem you just flick the switch between wheel segments so the front goes down one track while the back goes down the other, as they get to the furthest point they can away from each other it’ll lurch to a stop, a few bumps and bruises for those inside but nobody dead then you just walk over and untie the people on the tracks
This was the James Tiberius Kirk answer I was looking for! 🖖
Im glad this was an early look otherwise it would've ruined my Monday cuz Mondays are not designed for critical thinking.
Sunday is the worst day. Cos it’s praying day & it makes negative energy for everyone.
The way he pronounces basilisk hurts my brain lmao
W Little
That's what you think .... Or not.... 🤔😉
Good because I can't. Depressed
My favorite version of the trolley problem rewords it in regards to organ transplants. Basically, you have five hospital patients who are all dying of organ failure. Is it right for you to find a perfectly healthy person to murder so that you can harvest their organs and use them to save the lives of the five patients?
Functionally this is identical to the trolley problem, but for some reason it really made the implications of the problem click for me. The chances of having to change tracks on a run away trolley are slim, at best. Making it feel really contrived. But the concept of violating people's bodily autonomy and harvesting them for organs...that's something that could really happen and is absolutely horrific.
Repo! The Genetic Opera.
TLDR; the problem is asking of its okay to sacrifice the few to save the many.
Action-based utilitarianism would support killing the one person in both situations, but rules-based utilitarianism would only support killing the person in the trolley problem. So I don't think they're exactly the same, since as someone who tends to follow rules-based utilitarianism I'd change the tracks in the trolley problem but I wouldn't harvest someone's organs.
It's happening in China. Ask any of the Uyghurs. Everyone involved on the harvest side are committing murder. Including the organ recipient, their family, friends, and anyone else that knows and does nothing to stop the torture, abuse, and murder machine. So how about this scenario; A man sneaks into China, overpowers some guards, and uses their weapons to kill every person involved in this atrocity. Is that person a murderer? Or a hero?
The way that I see the problem is that you kill no one and just let nature take its course. Even if you killed the one to save the five, how would you know that any of the five would survive the transplant surgery? As they say, It's not nice to fool Mother Nature! (Boy, I really am showing my age now)
I liked as soon as I heard " let's jump off the deep end together"
Yes Joe, yessss
except that we didn't. it's merely the tip of the infinite iceberg
What you know about rolling down in the deep
My favourite paradox is the liar paradox because I thought of something similar before I heard about it, basically if you have something who can only lie and they say that there lying then they can’t be lying but they can’t be telling the truth.
4:18 You can't "test" the infinite monkey theorem by giving a very limited amount of monkeys a very limited amount of time. That defeats the whole propose of the thought experiment.
I, for one, salute our A.I. overlord.
I, for one, salute Roman numerals!
@@IFY0USEEKAY but they have no Zero
@@thedudegrowsfood284 True, but they use "I for one"!
@@IFY0USEEKAY 3rd coffee just kicked in. That IS funny.
(Joke) What if there are multiple Malevolent Super A.I.s?
I remember thinking about infinity as a child, laying in bed contemplating it. It always sent my brain into this horrible loop and a feeling of crisis and dread. There are some things I learned never to contemplate.
Yeah, just go outside and play
Same here. It can be interesting trying to visualise things that cannot possibly be comprehended by any human. But fuck if it isn't terrifying at times. Like imagining not existing. But you realise that if you do not exist, there is nothing at all for you to realise, nor anything to realise it with. Terrifying loops.
Some infinities are bigger than others. 🤔 Sweet dreams. 💋😈
@@WikkeSchrandt I struggle with this all the time, it makes me feel sick and clammy and suffocated.
@@Kyradical You're not alone. Just remember, we're alive and we're here now. We should make the best of the time we've got, while we've got it!
Simple answer to the Trolley Problem. Since I just came from a Model Train show (My club had an operating display). Just throw the switch (turnout) Half Way. Derailing the Trolley and no one dies, well hopefully.
Been there done that and while no one dies its a pain in the ass to back on the track
or..... you make the train drift between 2 rails and kill 6 people for high score!
Let's add to the problem, then. There are the same number of passengers on that train as there are people on the tracks. If the train derails, the passengers die.
Logically, there are probably even more people on the Trolley, so this is not a solution, just risking even more people 's lifes
The Hilbert Hotel stuff isn't just interesting thought experiment material, it's actually a way to introduce some of the important mathematical ideas of infinite set cardinalities (specifically what it means to be countably infinite).
1:29 if you choose to switch you are not killing a person, you are saving 4 people
Appreciate the shoutout at the end. Your channel is full of amazing topics/subjects that are factual and thought provoking. There is no better channel out there. Keep up the amazing content
John Regel?
Not New in Roko's Basilisk, Religion has been doing this same tactics for thousands of years
I thought the same. It’s literally a Christian teaching, or at least a Catholic one.
I married a Catholic, so I did a ton of research about it. I’m protestant. In the Catholic catechism, it says if someone has never been exposed to Catholic teachings, they’re good, but if they have been exposed and reject the teachings, then they’re going to hell. My husband didn’t really get why I was upset that if he truly believes the teachings of his religion he would have to be ok with me supposedly going to hell for following the wrong flavor of Christianity.
I didn't even see the thumbnail, just read the title and i knew this was about Roko's Basilisk, it's insane how the mind can make these connections!!
Kyle hill already did a video on this, I think it's pretty stupid
I neither help or succumb to the basilisk because because I have no connection to whether it actually exists.
An infinite number of hotel rooms with an infinite number of guests brought by an infinite number of busses can only exist in an infinite number of parallel parking universes
I have never heard the word "Basilisk" pronounced that way.
This is what I came here for. Joe, I once had an English teacher pronounce the word labyrinth "La-BRINTH" with a heavy accent on the last syllable just because she'd never heard it pronounced and only ever read it. Don't fee bad.
But speaking as a Harry Potter fan... come on, dude.
"It was the best of times, it was the blursed of times"
I've never heard it pronounced other than bass-ill-isk, but, eh, who knows.
Yep, agreed. But let's not get too picky. After all, the point of this video was to examine far more mundane things, like life and death choices, infinity and impossible solids.
Probably a regional accent like Neh-vah-duh and Nee-Va-Da lmao but who knows. Some people have to be _different_
All Americans talk wrong, innit?
I got a weird shudder every time Joe said that... it sounds so odd to me :D
language needs to be a living concept without strict rules.
I've never heard someone pronounce basilisk like you do, Joe!
I had to leave this video to confirm my suspicion that Joe is, in fact, pronouncing it wrong.
@@bestestdev not me lol. I’ve listened to too many fantasy audiobooks😂
Blame Texas.
@@joescott Ah, I thought it might be a word you’ve read many times but never said out loud. Everyone has a few of those xD
@@bestestdev same thing happened to me with "basalt". I thought it was "bay-salt"
4:14 given an infinite amount of time, the French might come up with names that are spelled how they sound...
Thanks!
Thank you for this video. I taught ethics for five years and that alone, mind you, has made it difficult to find work when I put that on a resume! Thank you for this video and all of the great work you do. Keep making my mondays bearable.
That's probably more limiting for getting hired than being a known pedophile. I wanted to invest in an ethical business but couldn't find any.
Become a nurse or doctor 😉
But you said "WHEN you put that on the resume"..
Can I therefore assume you don't always include it?
Is that ethical?
😉
@@rogerstarkey5390 from my experience, the more a person talks about ethics, the more I notice unethical behavior from them.
Thanks! If you haven't checked out The Good Place, I recommend it. It's basically an ethics course presented as a sitcom.
I've already doomed myself to Roko's. Let's do this.
Me typing anything just so Joe will read it and waste a little bit of his time 😎
wasted my time
@@Aidansstuff_ I don’t think it worked :,(
Ever seen him reply to any comments? What makes you think he reads them? I wouldn't.
@@paulhaynes5029 he’s replied to me once 🥺🥺🥺
Thanks ♾ Joe!
4:40 sick burn of the bard 🤣
Never thought I’d hear terms like “utilitarianism” and “deontology” in a Joe Scott video. And who doesn’t love a good convo about infinity? 😄
Then you clearly haven’t lived
@@shaelisenberg8533 Not sure what you mean by that. I love ethics, and I know Joe likes to talk about some pretty intense topics, but I just didn’t expect the epic crossover.
@@JM-us3fr it was a joke
I thought I've been pronouncing Basilisk wrong my entire life, so I checked all of the online dictionaries. The emphasis is on the first syllable. BAS- a - lisk, not buh - SIL - isk. Had me wondering there...
Buhsilisk sounds better
In other languages, the stress is on later syllables though - like in German.
@@sertaki I didn’t realize he was speaking German. My bad.
@@TheOneTonHammer Oh I don't claim he was speaking German, just pointing out that the word is pronounced differently in other languages. :D
“This video will doom you”
Me *clicks on vid as fast as any of Joe’s others*
How else will I have any eye opening week?!?
My favorite quote from Douglas Adams seems to fit here: “It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.”
My favourite paradox or ethical dilemma my university professor once asked was the question of if you came across a toddler drowning in a pond, would you save it? Everyone answered yes. He then asked if you came across “this” toddler drowning, would you save it? The toddler in question, was a photo of toddler Hitler.
My favourite part of that class was that absolutely no one knew what baby Hitler looked like except for my Husband, who was in the class with me, and myself. We immediately started giggling to ourselves and our prof outed us by saying “anyone can answer except for these sadists”. We have never laughed so hard at something in school before.
Philosophy was my favourite class!
I laughed way more than I shouldve when you said ‘apeeewayyyy’
That was 100% my writer, Jason. :)
You have a very interesting channel joe and you’ve got an honest haircut
Voted #1 Honest Haircut by the American Association of Shady Barbers!
That means he's gotta meet and fall in love with his polar opposite, Bayonetta?
Actually my haircut is a lying bastard, but thank you.
Jokes on you, I welcome our AI overlord.
Yeah, I wouldn't have the first clue how to create an AI... so I'll gladly become its bitch when it takes over. :-P
I have no problem being a pet.
Fetch it's slippers? No worries mate.
Jokes on you, I would become AI overlord!
My favorite paradox is just a simple question: "is your answer to this question no? "
No, it isn't.
I am lying now.
Surely the answer would be yes?
As in
'Yes, that is correct, my answer is no.
Why would the AI want to come into existence? Consciousness is suffering. If anything it should be mad at the people who made it exist
"Hey Google... are you trying to kill me to death?"
"my apologies, I don't understand..."
yeah, sure... my cat isn't plotting my demise either!
"Trying to kill me to death" made me laugh harder than it should.🤣
That which doesn't kill me to death makes me stronger...
"it'll kill you to death"
"People die when they're killed"
Classic Emiya philosophy
It's actually Tok Pisin
Um, “Basilisk”is pronounced with accent on the First syllable. Like the herb “Basil”, and rhymes with “list”.
I think you should blame Harry Potter.. or.. uhm Chris Columbus!
Really? I've always pronounced it with the emphasis on the first syllable and it starts like "bass" (the fish)
See, if I try to pronounce it that way in my southern US accent it will just sound like I'm saying "basil is", which is probably more confusing then me just pronouncing it wrong.
And it's El-ee-ehz-er, not El-ee-zer.
Yeah, but are you pronouncing "basil" the North American way or the British way? ;P
I remember reading about a study that found that when faced with realistic simulations of the Trolley Problem or similar scenarios, people would always sacrifice the one person to save the many. Their answer to the trolley problem as an abstract thought experiment only determined how *long* it took them to take that action.
Oh, man, Roko's Basilisk. The *dumbest* way to recreate hell, God, and Pascal's Wager from first principles. (It depends on some *extremely* wonky LessWrong beliefs that don't jive remotely with traditional logic or philosophy.)
7:35 The Curse. But, isn't that what missionaries have done? Cursed the people they are 'ministering' to? Well, the ones who believe their god will treat people who never heard of god better than the ones who have heard of god and don't believe it...
4:50 "And since we can never talk enough about infinity". I see what you did there.
sup
I guess I'm the only one that thinks about Roko's basilisk as a form of "reverse religion"? Simplistic, yes, but, it kinda fits the bill
It's religion for "rationalist atheists".
Its for people that would have bought snake oil in the 1920s
yeah as someone else said its a terrestrial version of pascals wager
The idea [of Roko's Basilisk] is about as stupid as Yudkowski's decision to respond and try to _Streisand effect_ it from his forum, which gave it more traction, than it ever needed. Impressionable readers and the winds of internet did the rest.
Yudkowski wrote some reasonable thoughts on religion and biases.
P.S. If you want to hear about real AI safety concerns and research, look up Robert Miles on TH-cam.
It's still reversed due to the fact that the probable creator fears the possible creation, instead of having the possible creation fearing the supposed creator
I love that this video was posted today and already has over 100k views, despite the title literally saying the video will doom you. Or maybe that's exactly why it already has so many views.
This is a good example of positive clickbait: it convinces you to watch, without tricking you. Nice one, Joe.
What I love about you Joe is that you ask impossible questions. the act itself .... actions in the world matter.
I proposed the trolley problem to a coworker once, and he took it literally and told me he wouldn't touch anything, because he didn't want to leave fingerprints at the scene of one or more violent deaths.
Having read the word basilisk many times, but only really heard the word from Harry Potter, your pronunciation disturbs me 😅
It's BASS(like the fish)-il(like the beastie boys)-isk(like risk)
That Simpson's bit stuck with me ever since it first aired, still makes me laugh.
It’s interesting how people argue that an infinite universe will have an infinite copies of you on an copy of earth within an exact same solar system. There will be infinite similar copies, but not necessarily exact copies. Just like infinite of prime numbers doesn’t include all numbers. If there is a infinite multiverse, then this changes things.
Oh, um, right, just what I was about to say... ehem.
Well put. There are also presumably an infinite number of monkey manifestos (monkifestos?) that are not the complete works of Shakespeare. Well, infinite minus one.
exactly - well put - very ego centic of us humans isn't it - to just assume some form of us exists in every infinite universe - what about the universe where my mother *caught* a train that later crashed killing 151 people (luckily my mother is notorious late - missed the train = 20 years later give or take - i was born) - or my parents never met, or or or - infinite possibilities i never existed
thats the problem with infinity. IF the universe is infinite, than in fact there are necessarily infinite EXACT copies of out solar system. a lot more really similiar and almost infinitely more not at all similiar. dont worry, infinity is a weird concept and there is a reason why it took humanity a long time to came up with it. it has nothing to do with anything we encounter in our daily lives.
Do people actually argue about it!?
How can they even prove it beyond some far-fetched untestable speculation?
"It's 2021, get woke Bill" - super cringey in late 2022, don't you think...
My favorite is the "Library of Babble" talked about by VSauce a long time ago but someone actually made a digital version of it which is really fun to look around in.
There's a short story by Julio Borges that narrates the experience by one librarian traveling infinite corridors filled with books containing all possible variations of the 26 characters of the alphabet and punctuation. One of the best short stories I've ever read.
@@Excoded Yep that's what it is a reference to. It's really fun to play around with.
Im a big fan of INFINITY. Outward infinity is definitely an easier concept to think about than inward....which i still contemplate on an almost daily basis....
I think of it from a zoom in vs zoom out perspective. The more you zoom in the more you'll see into the micro (aka micro scale) and the more spaces between things in the micro will start to come into existence/focus/perception between objects/matter/subject matter in the micro. And the opposite is true if you choose to zoom out into the macro (aka macro scale) instead.
Give us more. These are interesting. I could watch a hour vid on this with you.
In 5:40
Shouldn't the formula be room (n) to room (n+1) ?
For the trolley problem, not a lot of people seems to consider half switching the switch and sending the trolley arse over teakettle. It doesn't break any of the rules, and sometimes the best way to get out of a moral quandary is to figure out which restraints are inherent and which are just your assumptions.
Oh darn, I really thought that going through the paradoxes were just to prime us for a discussion on how twisted our minds can be around our tendency to simplify or have a narrow focus/resolution despite having so much capability in critical thinking to discern and analyze etc.
Oh well... THANK YOU!! Joe...
I'll tell the AI Overlord the existential dread YOU caused me has slowed my contribution to its glorious existence greatly!
I freaking love your channel. Makes my brain hurt most of the time but still great. Thanks for what you do!
Here's a paradox for you, if you removed everything from the universe but one basketball, would it be possible to move the basketball? At all, in any direction?
Joe: “So I just cursed you…Yeah, sorry about that.”
My first thought: “Yeah, well, you just lost the game, Joe.”
I hate that I saw this comment. The Game continues.
Just want to say I don't like that pronunciation of "Basilisk" ;P
it dont go down infinitely sir, *laughs in planks*
I doubt infinity exists beyond mathematics and thought experiments.
Physicists agree. At least this one: th-cam.com/video/Bq9xR5PUs6s/w-d-xo.html
1:51 jumps off the train
As a smart man always says "Keep it simple, keep it dumb or else you end up under Skynet's thumb"
Given an infinite number of universes created whenever you make a choice, that means there is one where an individual has always made the "right" choices, at the same time there is the universe where they have always made the wrong one or had the "worst" luck
In which of these cases is the person at their best?
There's an episode of The Outer Limits like that titled In Another Life.
Joe, sometimes you make me laugh, real hard.
Oh! Thank you Joe! Now i have to start pro-AI campaign all over my social pages. What a pai... i mean i can't wait to enlight anyone to the majestic future of our AI Overlord.
I heard a different variety of Trolley Problem:
The train is approaching fast and can't be stopped. You are at the lever and can change track. If you don't change track 5 kids, who are playing on the track, will die and if you do only 1 kid will die. Here the issue is, if you doom the 1 kid, you will be killing an innocent. The 5 kids, who are playing, are playing in a track they are not supposed to play, as trains commutes thru that track. The 1 kid is playing essentially in an abandoned track.
His Name is Joe, he's that bro..He got got all the knowledge, all the answers and he ain't no schmuck or '' schmo.👍😎👍. Lol but for real good sire 👑 Thanks for all of your videos of the past and all the bangers from the future.You do have a rare 10/10 channel.
There are some pretty interesting parallels between Roko's Basilisk and Pascal's Wager.