Hello, Neil, I'm 21 I'm also in the left AIC right BC pattern. I've had this issue of constantly turning my head to the left to look there, I think it's because I kinda lost my left peripheral vision. Do you think wearing a mask covering my right eye to force my brain to use my left eye might improve the situation? Thanks!
I found a therapist that qualifies in PRI but they are very far n few between in this area. Out of two only one is still practicing and I personally don’t think anywhere near as experienced as you Neil. I think they take the course but then don’t use it to the fullest and your channel shows way more possibilities.
This is fascinating. I’m starting to think that vision may be a driving factor for my issues as well. I’ve always wondered if the eyes/brain compensates for double vision by overusing one eye to prevent a blurred, double vision, because my left eye always feels like it’s being overused (there’s always a more prominent dark circle underneath it compared to the right). I can manipulate my body into relaxing by looking in certain directions/focusing less but the second I let my eyes “do their job” so to speak, any progress I’ve made is completely gone.
Hi Neil, I'm 28 and have had the sorts of patterns you describe in your videos since at least middle school. Everything from the right side of my body from my neck to my lats being tight, jaw/face pain, a right cross-bite, an inability to "activate" my left hamstring and so on. I've been wearing glasses since I was 5 or 6 and I've had different prescriptions for each eye for as long as I can remember. I see better out of my left eye than I do out of my right. I have been experimenting by covering/closing my right eye whilst walking and performing exercises. When I do this, everything definitely feels looser and almost feels like it's rotating back to normal. My question is, given that I do not have double vision and prism glasses are most often prescribed for that reason, how should I tell my optometrist to prescribe me with these corrective prism glasses? Thank you so much for the videos you make as I have not come across any other resource that has been able to diagnose what I have.
Was hoping he would reply to this haha, because I’m in a similar boat. I don’t think optometrists look at these sorts of things because I went to get glasses earlier this year and I still have the same issues. They’re basically just glorified reading glasses. Light is bent more evenly through them and I can read better but that’s about it.
@@Fillet_O_Chris l go to a behavioural optometrist. They are pretty rare here in Australia. Usually they work mainly with autistic children and people who have had developmental issues. Mine sometimes had a kinesiologist present at the appointments. I was told that l see 6 of everything and that it's a miracle that l can read and write. It's a brain issue more than an eye problem. Apparently l have incredible willpower that drives me to push towards achieving more than they expected of me. Lucky nobody told me about those limitations when l was younger.... l just kept trying till l burned out. Once l got over the sadness about the missed opportunity to deal with the brain injury when l was younger, l am very grateful for whatever improvements that can be made now.
Find a behavioural optometrist who specialises in treating autistic kids and people with brain injuries... they have different training. My eyes improve and regress depending on how my nervous system is doing at the time....
Wait, so how would you fix this visual issue? Because I just did ur test thing, closed left eye looked with right eye and could see perfectly. Then I l shut my right eye and could barely even open my left eye all the way.
I guess you are describing the inability to close one eye and keep the other open? I'm not sure what that's about. I think it has to do with the muscles that open and close the eyelid. You'll have to research that and get back to me :)
i am paying more attention to left view w right eye seems happier lets see if the rest of my body gonna begin behaving itself. Stoked about how my shit is existing in space thus far with all this wise sharing P.R.I gonne ace it
So are you doing vision therapy for binocular vision dysfunction now? I have the same type of issue and now believe it is also the main or big factor in my one sided neck, jaw, shoulder pain and my dizziness. I do find it odd the specialist said she is surprised youd be functioning, these issues are VERY common, esp anyone who ever had even a mild concussion and basically everyone functions, 50% dont even have symptoms. Ive had this my whole life and never knew.
Hey did you end up figuring anything more out about this in terms of vision therapy, I had visual snow onset after a neck sprain, and wondering if my neck had been compensating for vision issues all along
Hey Neil, I know I am having the same problem as far as "not using my left peripheral" on a normal basis. From my understanding, any other problems that occur in my body(dental issues, patho pec, left aic right bc,etc.) are in direct correlation to my dependency of my right peripheral, and not enough use of my left peripheral. So to seek help from a behavioral optometrist, would it make more sense to try and solve the peripheral issue first?
Hi Neal, My jaw problem came first and my vision problems second. Not same as your situation. That's why I've got some questions: Do you think my vision issues can get better after PRI+splint therapy? Or do you think I've got to get prism glasses as well? And in which order?
Hiya, I just got back from the hruska clinic in Lincoln he referred to. They have every9ne worknwith a dentist and a specialized eye doc. They evaluate if you need the shoe orthotics at their clinic and walk you through the PT regimin youll ve doing should you attend. I got a splint for right crossbite and some prism glasses that actually make my focus worse to give me a chance to use my periphery. Didnt need the shoe orthotics and have begun my PT.
interesting video Neal. Have you ever read the book on the polyvagal theory ( I think that's what its called ) where the basic exercise is about looking to one side and then the other? Just thought of it with you mentioning looking to one side causing problems
Yes, I read Polyvagal Theory. I don't recall that exercise, but I'll look for it. I do know that EMDR therapy involves moving eyes side-to-side (or something similar).
I think I have the same thing. Ive been trying to dial into my body more closely and I notice if I am driving the machines at work and I look to the side, my neck tightens up really quick and gives me a warning not to do that. I remember exactly when it happened(s) this week and I was always looking to the right.
If you dive deeper into applied neurology, it’ll help make much more sense of this. Continuing education courses such as Z-Health and Integrated Kinetic Neurology are based on applied neuro material and teach you how to integrate sensory drills to help your other techniques (i.e., PRI, etc.) stick.
Thanks, Kevin. I'll look into it. In general, PRI "vision people" are assigned exercises that correspond with gait. Upright vestibular stuff. Moving eyes independently of head. Left peripheral awareness while in left stance etc.... but always matched up with gait.
I have been overusing my left eye and the left is my weak side, my jaw is tilted … I am a dancer and this affects completely certain dance sequences where direction is constantly reversed making my brain go totally blank and dark inside and I fall or panic feeling of falling on the left. This makes sense …. Very interesting ❤
When doing this test where you close each eye individually, if one eye (let's say left) is being suppressed, would your field of view then be the same when looking out of just right and with both? And you'd only have full peripheral vision on the left side when ONLY the left eye is open? Or might you still have some peripheral left view with both open?
I went blind in my right eye at 16 and I'm left eye dominant. They said it's a macular discaform scar caused by a blood vessel bleed. No idea what caused it but it looks the same as wet age related macular degeneration
When I look with each eye separately, I notice that the left eye see objects more fuzzy than the right eye, no matter whether I am looking close or far away. Right now I just use 1.75 reading glasses and if I am driving, I wear .5 glasses to see street signs. If I get glasses to make both eyes see the same, would that help me transfer weight to the left side?
Neil, I am in same boat as you are, my left eye is only up and down, my right eye is left right,nose pointing towards the right .... also, left shoulder pain, back pain, left SI joint pain ... if you know how to fix it please share ..... also when sitting and breathing with my back pushing against the chair i am felling the compensations how they are trying to twist my torso .... if it helps, always sit in places where light falls from the left .
I was prescribed prisms to be worn for 6-8 weeks to help over-ride my pattern. After that my new prescription is designed to keep my right eye "fuzzier" by not correcting the right eye astigmatism and giving the right eye less correction than the left. Otherwise the right eye will keep taking over.
Neal Hallinan thank you ever so much. maybe you’ll post a video about the whole prescription and process to help others. thanks again. i got my astigmatism down this year but i think i have prisms all the time ... they correct both myopia and hyperopia .. hyperopia is with plus . ive managed to get less diopters this year ... for astigmatisms myopia from - 3.75 i came down do -2 and the hyperopia remains almost the same ...
After the watching this, I have the opposite. Meaning i can’t normally stay left. I can get left doing the exercise but can’t stay left. But the opposite in that if I close my left eye, my body just naturally shifts to the left
I was prescribed prisms to be worn for 6-8 weeks to help over-ride my pattern and given a prescription that would keep my right eye "fuzzier" by not correcting the right eye astigmatism.
Sometimes I’m wondering and lately I come to realization that a lot of these PRI patients are... neurotics. They overthinking over analyzing, and overdo things in life or over stuck in something (who knows why, maybe lack of self love, bad family or everything together). Therefore it’s not sometimes even about your brain and vision but psychological issues. Don’t get me wrong - I’m not writing abut you, Neal to be particular. So, that’s could explain much more, why some people developing this patterns and other while doing the same activity or even harder - do not developing this patterns. Psychic of some people tend to stuck on some events or thoughts, so as a reflection - they body will do the same.
Absolutely. People are stuck in a pattern. Physical/mental....it's all a manifestation of "stuck energy". People who have rigid minds have rigid bodies. People who can "let go" and "go with the flow" often have less intense patterning. However, I'd still consider it a "brain" issue, regardless of whether the pattern is more "muscular" or "psychological/behavioral". Ultimately, we are still trying to "inhibit" innapropriate behaviors and responses which can only be done through developing conscious awareness of our patterns. Once recognized, we try to reprogram our autonomic nervous system which has its origin in the brain stem.
@@helenakuhn9584 the word "neurotic" seems to cover so many normal human experiences that it ends up lacking meaning (at least to me). People need to "let go" of painful patterns that they may not even know they are stuck in, both physical and behavioral. That's my experience.
@@NealHallinan Your comments helped spell it out for me, thanks. Life is all about learning the good patterns and shedding the bad. This topic can get philosophical quickly! But the comment above treads on what I think is a very dangerous construct in healthcare - that if "medicine" hasn't solved an issue yet, the patients suffering from said issues must be crazy/have a bad home life/suffered abuse. Sure, there is the mind-body connection, but we don't tell people with chest pain they are "stuck" in bad patterns because medicine has made such incredible cardiovascular advances. But enter someone with migraines, chronic itching, a foot surgery failing to heal....suddenly must be the patient's fault. I'd consider this framework a "bad pattern" from which we need to get "unstuck" in medicine.
@@helenakuhn9584 Patterns of "stuckness" are found everywhere! And yes, it can get very philosophical. Interestingly, lots of autonomic based issues that no one can figure out (including my own breakouts due to "histamine intolerance") are resolved once people are de-patterned (from a PRI perspective). A neck that is "stuck" will often cause impingement of cranial nerves, in particular the vagus nerve. While the importance of the vagus nerve to autonomic dysfunction is well known, few people are aware of the neck pattern/position that can cause impingement of the vagus nerve! They try to treat the vagus nerve dysfunction symptom rather than what it causing the vagus nerve to go haywire in the first place. Interestingly, some patterns that are considered "bad" are actually the body's own defensive mechanisms against threat, however they just never turn off. So patterns are conditional- useful at times, not useful at other times. PRI and "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers" are talking about the same phenomena, the over-use of sympathetics due to elevated stress responses stemming from prolonged exposure to stressors, whether "purely" physical or "purely" emotional/psychological (and of course they both feedback upon one another so nothing can be "purely" one thing). Hope you are feeling better!
I like how he was determined to fix himself.
Hello, Neil,
I'm 21 I'm also in the left AIC right BC pattern. I've had this issue of constantly turning my head to the left to look there, I think it's because I kinda lost my left peripheral vision. Do you think wearing a mask covering my right eye to force my brain to use my left eye might improve the situation?
Thanks!
I found a therapist that qualifies in PRI but they are very far n few between in this area. Out of two only one is still practicing and I personally don’t think anywhere near as experienced as you Neil. I think they take the course but then don’t use it to the fullest and your channel shows way more possibilities.
This is fascinating. I’m starting to think that vision may be a driving factor for my issues as well. I’ve always wondered if the eyes/brain compensates for double vision by overusing one eye to prevent a blurred, double vision, because my left eye always feels like it’s being overused (there’s always a more prominent dark circle underneath it compared to the right). I can manipulate my body into relaxing by looking in certain directions/focusing less but the second I let my eyes “do their job” so to speak, any progress I’ve made is completely gone.
Hi Neil,
I'm 28 and have had the sorts of patterns you describe in your videos since at least middle school. Everything from the right side of my body from my neck to my lats being tight, jaw/face pain, a right cross-bite, an inability to "activate" my left hamstring and so on.
I've been wearing glasses since I was 5 or 6 and I've had different prescriptions for each eye for as long as I can remember. I see better out of my left eye than I do out of my right.
I have been experimenting by covering/closing my right eye whilst walking and performing exercises. When I do this, everything definitely feels looser and almost feels like it's rotating back to normal.
My question is, given that I do not have double vision and prism glasses are most often prescribed for that reason, how should I tell my optometrist to prescribe me with these corrective prism glasses?
Thank you so much for the videos you make as I have not come across any other resource that has been able to diagnose what I have.
Was hoping he would reply to this haha, because I’m in a similar boat. I don’t think optometrists look at these sorts of things because I went to get glasses earlier this year and I still have the same issues. They’re basically just glorified reading glasses. Light is bent more evenly through them and I can read better but that’s about it.
@@Fillet_O_Chris l go to a behavioural optometrist. They are pretty rare here in Australia. Usually they work mainly with autistic children and people who have had developmental issues. Mine sometimes had a kinesiologist present at the appointments. I was told that l see 6 of everything and that it's a miracle that l can read and write. It's a brain issue more than an eye problem. Apparently l have incredible willpower that drives me to push towards achieving more than they expected of me. Lucky nobody told me about those limitations when l was younger.... l just kept trying till l burned out. Once l got over the sadness about the missed opportunity to deal with the brain injury when l was younger, l am very grateful for whatever improvements that can be made now.
Find a behavioural optometrist who specialises in treating autistic kids and people with brain injuries... they have different training. My eyes improve and regress depending on how my nervous system is doing at the time....
I think it takes a gifted person to figure something like This out !🙂
very interesting
I hope you are talking about me! But it's Ron Hruska who taught me everything I know, so he is the absolute most gifted person I've ever met.
Neal Hallinan I was talking about you silly!☀️
Neal, was your vision the root cause of your bad posture and lateral pelvic tilt?
It was definitely the strongest driver. Other things contributed.
Neil. The slight changes in the illuminations freak me out
Wait, so how would you fix this visual issue? Because I just did ur test thing, closed left eye looked with right eye and could see perfectly. Then I l shut my right eye and could barely even open my left eye all the way.
I guess you are describing the inability to close one eye and keep the other open? I'm not sure what that's about. I think it has to do with the muscles that open and close the eyelid. You'll have to research that and get back to me :)
This is a unique and interesting discovery.
i am paying more attention to left view w right eye seems happier lets see if the rest of my body gonna begin behaving itself. Stoked about how my shit is existing in space thus far with all this wise sharing P.R.I gonne ace it
So are you doing vision therapy for binocular vision dysfunction now? I have the same type of issue and now believe it is also the main or big factor in my one sided neck, jaw, shoulder pain and my dizziness. I do find it odd the specialist said she is surprised youd be functioning, these issues are VERY common, esp anyone who ever had even a mild concussion and basically everyone functions, 50% dont even have symptoms. Ive had this my whole life and never knew.
Hey did you end up figuring anything more out about this in terms of vision therapy, I had visual snow onset after a neck sprain, and wondering if my neck had been compensating for vision issues all along
I seem to have the same issues you have had
It's interesting that you never noticed it was a problem, the brain fills in the blanks and you thought you could see through both eyes. Wow
Hey Neil,
I know I am having the same problem as far as "not using my left peripheral" on a normal basis. From my understanding, any other problems that occur in my body(dental issues, patho pec, left aic right bc,etc.) are in direct correlation to my dependency of my right peripheral, and not enough use of my left peripheral. So to seek help from a behavioral optometrist, would it make more sense to try and solve the peripheral issue first?
Hi Neal,
My jaw problem came first and my vision problems second. Not same as your situation. That's why I've got some questions:
Do you think my vision issues can get better after PRI+splint therapy?
Or do you think I've got to get prism glasses as well?
And in which order?
Hiya, I just got back from the hruska clinic in Lincoln he referred to. They have every9ne worknwith a dentist and a specialized eye doc. They evaluate if you need the shoe orthotics at their clinic and walk you through the PT regimin youll ve doing should you attend. I got a splint for right crossbite and some prism glasses that actually make my focus worse to give me a chance to use my periphery. Didnt need the shoe orthotics and have begun my PT.
interesting video Neal. Have you ever read the book on the polyvagal theory ( I think that's what its called ) where the basic exercise is about looking to one side and then the other? Just thought of it with you mentioning looking to one side causing problems
Yes, I read Polyvagal Theory. I don't recall that exercise, but I'll look for it. I do know that EMDR therapy involves moving eyes side-to-side (or something similar).
Neal Hallinan, what do you think of İKN approach, if you ever heard of it, they also focus on visual and vestibular system in their approach.
I think I have the same thing. Ive been trying to dial into my body more closely and I notice if I am driving the machines at work and I look to the side, my neck tightens up really quick and gives me a warning not to do that. I remember exactly when it happened(s) this week and I was always looking to the right.
You may need to see a more specialized type of optometrist.
If you dive deeper into applied neurology, it’ll help make much more sense of this. Continuing education courses such as Z-Health and Integrated Kinetic Neurology are based on applied neuro material and teach you how to integrate sensory drills to help your other techniques (i.e., PRI, etc.) stick.
Thanks, Kevin. I'll look into it. In general, PRI "vision people" are assigned exercises that correspond with gait. Upright vestibular stuff. Moving eyes independently of head. Left peripheral awareness while in left stance etc.... but always matched up with gait.
I found this with my right eye a while back.
I have been overusing my left eye and the left is my weak side, my jaw is tilted … I am a dancer and this affects completely certain dance sequences where direction is constantly reversed making my brain go totally blank and dark inside and I fall or panic feeling of falling on the left. This makes sense …. Very interesting ❤
When doing this test where you close each eye individually, if one eye (let's say left) is being suppressed, would your field of view then be the same when looking out of just right and with both? And you'd only have full peripheral vision on the left side when ONLY the left eye is open? Or might you still have some peripheral left view with both open?
I went blind in my right eye at 16 and I'm left eye dominant. They said it's a macular discaform scar caused by a blood vessel bleed. No idea what caused it but it looks the same as wet age related macular degeneration
What were your prisms prescription?
When I look with each eye separately, I notice that the left eye see objects more fuzzy than the right eye, no matter whether I am looking close or far away. Right now I just use 1.75 reading glasses and if I am driving, I wear .5 glasses to see street signs. If I get glasses to make both eyes see the same, would that help me transfer weight to the left side?
Hi Neal, how in PRI is one trained to increase left peripheral vision? Just notice the nonfocussed lateral part of the left eye during exercises?
Noticing left peripheral space while standing in “left stance”.
Neil, I am in same boat as you are, my left eye is only up and down, my right eye is left right,nose pointing towards the right .... also, left shoulder pain, back pain, left SI joint pain ... if you know how to fix it please share ..... also when sitting and breathing with my back pushing against the chair i am felling the compensations how they are trying to twist my torso .... if it helps, always sit in places where light falls from the left .
I have the same symptoms
@@khachaturdavtyan5144 did they operated your twisted ball too ?
I was prescribed prisms to be worn for 6-8 weeks to help over-ride my pattern. After that my new prescription is designed to keep my right eye "fuzzier" by not correcting the right eye astigmatism and giving the right eye less correction than the left. Otherwise the right eye will keep taking over.
Neal Hallinan thank you ever so much. maybe you’ll post a video about the whole prescription and process to help others. thanks again. i got my astigmatism down this year but i think i have prisms all the time ... they correct both myopia and hyperopia .. hyperopia is with plus . ive managed to get less diopters this year ... for astigmatisms myopia from - 3.75 i came down do -2 and the hyperopia remains almost the same ...
After the watching this, I have the opposite. Meaning i can’t normally stay left. I can get left doing the exercise but can’t stay left. But the opposite in that if I close my left eye, my body just naturally shifts to the left
I got the exact same thing! So did you get special glasses or can you retrain it without glasses?
I was prescribed prisms to be worn for 6-8 weeks to help over-ride my pattern and given a prescription that would keep my right eye "fuzzier" by not correcting the right eye astigmatism.
@@NealHallinan Oh that is so cool! Any chance you know a neurological optometrist in Europe? :D
@@Nilsmusic92 Unfortunately I do not. I'm sure they exist, though.
@nealhallinan- I have the same issue and have done vision therapy with a doctor in Ohio. Really helped.
Curious, are you Neal, right or left handed? Or does anyone know which handed he is?
I'm right handed, but discovered I could bat lefty better than righty. Less power, but made much better contact left handed.
I think I have the same issue. I feel fear on my left eye. Normal optometrist checked my visión and its all ok. :(
He probably just checked "clarity". In PRI they are looking for visual processing: how your brain is processing visual information.
Neal Hallinan how can it be fixed? Behavioural optometrist and any Pri exercises? What exercises ? Centering, left stance and ???
sergio all the same techniques. But there is a progression to it all.
Neal Hallinan thanks Neal, sorry for asking. No pri trainers in Spain. Your vídeos are saving my life.
So that's why Zoolander couldn't turn left. 🤔
Hi. I just learned my left eye completely suppresses. I had to have right jaw surgery and my right shoulder always hurts. Makes sense. Thanks!
Sometimes I’m wondering and lately I come to realization that a lot of these PRI patients are... neurotics. They overthinking over analyzing, and overdo things in life or over stuck in something (who knows why, maybe lack of self love, bad family or everything together). Therefore it’s not sometimes even about your brain and vision but psychological issues. Don’t get me wrong - I’m not writing abut you, Neal to be particular. So, that’s could explain much more, why some people developing this patterns and other while doing the same activity or even harder - do not developing this patterns. Psychic of some people tend to stuck on some events or thoughts, so as a reflection - they body will do the same.
Absolutely. People are stuck in a pattern. Physical/mental....it's all a manifestation of "stuck energy". People who have rigid minds have rigid bodies. People who can "let go" and "go with the flow" often have less intense patterning. However, I'd still consider it a "brain" issue, regardless of whether the pattern is more "muscular" or "psychological/behavioral". Ultimately, we are still trying to "inhibit" innapropriate behaviors and responses which can only be done through developing conscious awareness of our patterns. Once recognized, we try to reprogram our autonomic nervous system which has its origin in the brain stem.
Most people are neurotic about themselves, it's human nature
@@helenakuhn9584 the word "neurotic" seems to cover so many normal human experiences that it ends up lacking meaning (at least to me). People need to "let go" of painful patterns that they may not even know they are stuck in, both physical and behavioral. That's my experience.
@@NealHallinan Your comments helped spell it out for me, thanks. Life is all about learning the good patterns and shedding the bad. This topic can get philosophical quickly! But the comment above treads on what I think is a very dangerous construct in healthcare - that if "medicine" hasn't solved an issue yet, the patients suffering from said issues must be crazy/have a bad home life/suffered abuse. Sure, there is the mind-body connection, but we don't tell people with chest pain they are "stuck" in bad patterns because medicine has made such incredible cardiovascular advances. But enter someone with migraines, chronic itching, a foot surgery failing to heal....suddenly must be the patient's fault. I'd consider this framework a "bad pattern" from which we need to get "unstuck" in medicine.
@@helenakuhn9584 Patterns of "stuckness" are found everywhere! And yes, it can get very philosophical.
Interestingly, lots of autonomic based issues that no one can figure out (including my own breakouts due to "histamine intolerance") are resolved once people are de-patterned (from a PRI perspective).
A neck that is "stuck" will often cause impingement of cranial nerves, in particular the vagus nerve. While the importance of the vagus nerve to autonomic dysfunction is well known, few people are aware of the neck pattern/position that can cause impingement of the vagus nerve! They try to treat the vagus nerve dysfunction symptom rather than what it causing the vagus nerve to go haywire in the first place.
Interestingly, some patterns that are considered "bad" are actually the body's own defensive mechanisms against threat, however they just never turn off. So patterns are conditional- useful at times, not useful at other times.
PRI and "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers" are talking about the same phenomena, the over-use of sympathetics due to elevated stress responses stemming from prolonged exposure to stressors, whether "purely" physical or "purely" emotional/psychological (and of course they both feedback upon one another so nothing can be "purely" one thing).
Hope you are feeling better!