Kansas, Icarus - Borne on Wings of Steel - A Classical Musician’s First Listen and Reaction
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I finally listened to Kansas! I like how they used ancient mythology as a launching point for a very modern purpose.
Here’s the link to the original song by Kansas:
• Icarus - Borne on Wing...
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The violin in the beginning is being doubled by a synthesizer, and later by an organ mixed REALLY LOW, which may give a sense of notchiness between tones that a violin doesn't typically have, but it's a real violin as can be heard during the solo section. Robbie Steinhardt played violin and did the low harmony vocals on this song.
Yes, the violin is panned center, the lower synth octave is in the left channel, while the higher octave doubles the violin in the right.
isnt that an electric violin?
@@LegoGBlok I am not sure if the violin was miked up or if there was a pickup on it at this time in the band's recordings. Live, there was a pickup on the violin.
Robbie Steinhardt was awesome!
@@LegoGBlok No, Robby was classically trained and never played an electric violin.
It is a REAL violin.
No it's not
th-cam.com/video/3mmJkPGV0Rk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wDoquqkfPC75LdKT
For the nay sayers. Here's robbie playing the violin LIVE
@@letsgomets002 It's a violin.
Real
Kansas is the bad that the violin was used as a solo instrument. It made a great impact on how rock music could be advanced with live classical instruments.
Steve Hackett (Genesis) in 2023: Kansas! Great band, lovely guys... I worked with Steve Walsh and Phil Ehart. It was great to work with them. It was a different language. I'd not really worked outside Genesis professionally, and so that was the start of expanding my vocabulary... I think they were influenced by quite a lot of British stuff... They had their progressive leanings, although nobody was calling it progressive at the time. It just seemed like there was a kind of a natural kind of Anglo-American orientation to the stuff... full of detail and informed harmonic changes... There's that cross-pollination between great bands like Kansas and an English band like Genesis. They did two tracks with me on the album, "Please Don't Touch." (1978) And Steve Walsh did an extraordinary vocal on both. Lovely guy. Can't speak highly enough of both of them and I really loved the experience. A bit later on I met the whole Kansas band... Steve and Phil were great to work with and both equally talented. It was good to have the chance to work with some great artists in the USA. Phil might well be working again with me soon!
You need to listen to the epic instrumental middle section again a couple of times in context without interruption. There's polyphony, but it's not chaotic. It has a structure and is brilliantly conceived and executed with precision.
Non Kansas fans just don't get it.
That middle section is what makes it epic
Love this tune but don't enjoy the fade away
She is giving an honest opinion and remember her background. "Running around like mice on wheels* she says. Kansas had great staggered parts that intertwined. LOVE IT. Always have!😊
I recommend "The Wall", "Song for America", and "Miracles Out of Nowhere".
Kerry Livgren (the main songwriter and guitar/keyboardist) had plenty of classical influences and training
Being a big fan myself, may I suggest
Lamplight Symphony (you’ll find the emotion here)
Miracles out of Nowhere
The Wall
Song for America
Cheyenne Anthem (a poignant message regarding the treatment of Native Americans by the Mew World settlers)
Icarus II (yes, there was a sequel and this one is about WW2 fighter pilots. A modern version of the first one)
Kerry was on a spiritual journey throughout his career. He eventually became a Christian
Note: he just released a musical interpretation of the Book of Lazurus. Decades in the making
I believe there are sections of it on TH-cam Very ambitious project with orchestra and many vocalists
Kerry Livgren was a highly talented composer and musician and Kansas is much more than their two radio staples that everyone mentions
They are definitely worth another look. Truth be told, Icarus is a good song but they have better. See above
I always enjoy your analysis, Amy. You put tremendous thought into each song
Ironically, they opened for Queen early in their career and became great friends with the band
I agree with Lamplight Symphony. It has made me weep a few times.
Kerry Livgren had no classical training. Also, how is it ironic that they opened for Queen and became great friends with them?
I believe Kerry had informal classical music exposure through his aunt.
I think Carry On My Wayward Son is a great choice. I also like The Point of No Return.
If you want emotion, Dust in the Wind is classic and probably their most well known. It’s a very different sound to this.
@leftiesoutnumbered - No My, no The.
No My, no The, no No. Know.
Dust in the Wind was my favorite.
" Know" Return, play on words
Funny how music affects people differently. The middle section is by far the best for me. I love this song … one of my Kansas favs. Thanks for reacting to it.
Listen to a live version...as with nearly all Kansas songs, the violin is much more dominant. Also, Kansas' primary songwriter Kerry Livgren has cited progressive rock band Gentle Giant as an influence. Their deep cuts are progressive, their radio hits(mostly) aren't. Kerry Livgren wrote a sequel in 2000 callled Icarus II, he states in his autobiography(called Seeds Of Change, he has a solo album by the same name) that both versions of Icarus lyrically are partially inspired by a relative who was a fighter pilot. The band performs both versions of Icarus live, back-to-back usually. It takes a few listens to " get " Kansas
A few suggestions:
Journey From Mariabronn
Mysyeries And Mayhem/The Pinnacle(two songs meant to be one)
Song For America
The Wall
Hopelessly Human
Curtain Of Iron
On The Other Side
All very progressive, with keyboard excellence, sometimes heavy(yet melodic too) guitars, and violin riffs/solos weaved in, with spectacular vocals, and thoughtful and thought-provoking lyrics
I'd definitely add Miracles Out Of Nowhere to your list. The counterpoint part in it is especially fascinating.
@@yuriykorotkevych8838 I could have listed 30 more...
I do believe that the live versions of some of their songs are actually better than the studio versions... not all but some....
A fun fact to mention is that the lead vocalist of Kansas, Steve Walsh who sings this also plays the keyboard like an absolute madman. Steve and Robby Steinhardt had a unique ability to sing in unison AND to coordinate their instrument solos as well. During the beginning of Icarus, just after the piano part you can hear the synthesizer and violin do a little intro solo before the big guitar riff. That is Rob and Steve playing in unison, with Steve doing the violin part on synthesizer that usually sat atop a Hammond organ on stage. They were easily the most talented American band of their time.
This is displayed much better on the Two for the Show version of this song, than its studio version.
I believe Steve mainly played organ and Kerry played most of the other keys switching back and forth between guitars and keys. Steve may have been playing the synth along with the violin in the intro while Kerry played the electric piano part.
Kerry always played the intricate keyboard and guitar parts
Kerry Livgren was the main songwriter of the more classical music rock songs they have even where Steve Walsh is playing keyboard.
Yes indeed.. I remember after leftoverture came out.. I didn't know Kansas had other material and I found masque . In my brother's record collection which was off limits. You'll get your ass kicked material . . He also had the first and second album.. my mind was blown
One of my all-time favorite American rock bands for sure... i hope that Amy does some more song reviews by them .... they truly were a remarkable band in my opinion.... I love this channel ❤.... it took me awhile to get to joining this channel but I finally did & it's well worth it... thank you for all the time & effort you put into your videos Amy...
No MIDI, no sequencers. They played all of this live and it's a real violin. Synthesizers & Hammond organ are in there. Should check out their appearances on Don Kirshners Rock Concert circa 1974-75. Epic stuff.
The versions of this and other Kansas songs should be listened to from the "Two for the Show" album.
I'd be surprised if you feel "distant" then.
Violin & synthesizer at the beginning of Magnum Opus ❤️
So agreed. The studio versions all sound a bit strange to me. But soooo good om the live album. Almost as they finally found out what their songs should sound like.
I was going to say this as well. The Two for the Show version is outstanding.
My favorite version of this and many of their earlier songs.
As much as I love their studio albums I have to agree with you that "Two For The Show" is a fantastic live album & many of the live versions of their songs are better....
Magnum Opus from 2 for the Show is, and has been my favorite song for many years now
I consider Two For The Show to be one of the best live albums. I prefer the live version. Kansas was a great live band and production really captured it on Two For The Show.
Yes, that live version smokes this one. It is one of the best live albums ever.
Definitely a terrific live album up there with the best
You should try "The Wall" and "Song for America", these are perfectly composed from start to finish.
"All The World" from Masque is another great one. Two other really nice ones are "Taking In The View" from Power and "Inside of Me" from In The Spirit of Things. Their Audio Visions album is an overlooked masterpiece with one of their very best in "No One Together" and "Hold On" should have been a #1 hit, IMHO.
As a huge Kansas fan, I've got to say that production on the Masque and Song for America albums really hold them back.
They sounded old even when they were new, and I understand the midi references even though these recordings were made well before midi.
The live versions of these songs on Two for the Show are far superior.
Kansas was also a great live act, with studio-qualty sound and performances.
In fact still is a great live act (th-cam.com/video/Wk9_29fKMSc/w-d-xo.html)! 🙂
That's not really a compliment.
Still are!
@@ben_dornie Ron Platt sounds like a young Steve Walsh
@@mandiferrer Yes, Ronnie's an excellent vocalist but not quite a young whipper-snapper anymore! 😁
I loved your Interpretation of this piece. I 'm a musician and Kansas fan from way back and I can say that you may not be able to fully appreciate the music on the first listen. Once you listen to it a few times you pick up on the brilliant intermingling of different instruments you could really fall in love. I would highly recommend you listen to "Songs For America", the title track on the Songs For America album. It is a masterpiece. Also, If you have a copy of the lyrics to read as you listen it will heighten your experience. The instrumental portions of Kansas songs are extremely instrumental (if you will) to the story. Kerry Livgren is a brilliant poet and writer.
Also, your adorable.
Kansas is one of the best live bands I have heard in 40 years of concert going. Everything you hear on the records, they do it live. And they do it spectacularly.
FINALLY.... I've been waiting for Amy to do a review on Kansas.....
Masque specifically!
Quite the disappointment. She has zero appreciation.
@@edyates79 No it's not that she didn't appreciate it as she said in the video it leaned more towards the "progressive rock sound" & it was different from the more classic rock bands she's been listening to & reviewing.
@@friotaiocht101 every comment she made displayed her lack of respect.
@@edyates79 Lack of respect? Ok.
Magnus opus, the wall, Cheyenne Anthem...lots of others. Sam them twice in the late 70's/early 80's. A great band with such a great sound. The only rock band of the era with violin. I'm from the state of Kansas, so I might be a little biased.
This is one of my absolute favorites by Kansas. The subtle tempo and meter changes add a great deal to the song. You've interpreted the meaning of the song really accurately. Great storytelling, as you mentioned!
Another Kansas song for you to check out is Journey From Mariabronn. Superb!
I think some songs written around this time were designed to let people who had nice stereo systems enjoy their speakers, and show them off to others less fortunate. Ooooo! Dig that treble! Wow, that's great bass response! I confess, I did that sort of thing. I knew a guy in the dorms who had really fine speakers and he'd play Switched On Bach over and over, with the grills off the speakers and we'd stare in amazement at the woofer cones going in and out. Sigh. Those were the days...
Hugely underrated band. She would love some of their deeper cuts, like Journey From Mariabronn.
En verdad no conozco en profundidad la música de Kansas, posiblemente debido a que lo pude oír de ellos en la radio (old days) no consiguió entusiasmarme. Comento en castellano pues entiendo que La Profe puede sentirse orgullosa de que su aproximación a la música llegue a audiencias más allá de los idiomas de cada uno. Como la música misma. Saludos desde Argentina
Thank you for doing this song. This was all pre-computers in music. Before the midi rage. All performed by real violin and 1976 keyboards.
1974,5
The changing speeds and time signatures is a signature move by Livgren, who wrote this song. He was and still is a musical genius. Also remember that Livgren is a progressive specialist.
One of the world's greatest prog bands!
I'm a big fan of Kansas. But I tend to agree with this take. Icarus has it's moments, but it's all over the place musically and is hard to love. Kansas has many songs that are more emotionally resonant. Carry On Wayward Son is one an absolute masterpiece of classic rock and prog rock. Point of Know Return, Song for America, and Dust in the Wind are terrific. Also: The Wall, Cheyenne Anthem, and No One Together.
There was no midi in the 70s It was a violin and a synth played by 2 people
Indeed, and even all the synthetic sounds instruments of this era (Analog) were very hard to mantain in tune, i think this sensation of "Midi sound" not only was intentional but very hard to obtain too.
Kansas became my favorite band since the first time I heard them in the 70's. Their music is classical with rock mixed in. there is so much to listen to. Put on some head phones and listen to "Miracles Out of Nowhere"
I want to suggest these songs that are incredible (music and lyrics) but get little attention, from bands that are also, in my opinion, underapreciated:
Anthem - Deep Purple;
Life's an Ocean - The Verve;
Dear Mr President - 4 Non Blondes;
Pattern - The Last Shadow Puppets.
Kansas!!!! ❤❤❤
The Prog Corner!!!!
Kerry was on a spiritual quest through out his career which is reflected in his song writing.j
Yes, in answer to your saying maybe you should listen to "Carry On Wayward Son". It would have been my first choice. I think you would connect more emotionally and musically to this very popular song. It is less prog, while still having prog elements. Much more of a classic rock sound. You are often introduced to influential bands through their deeper cuts, rather than the ones that made them popular. This song itself is fine (I like it) and gives you a sense of their sound, it just shouldn't be your intro to the band. There is a reason "Carry On Wayward Son" is so popular, it is a great song. They have other great songs, but I would start with this. You were hearing a real violin that may have sounded synth to you mixed in with other analog synth sounds.
A thousand times this. Please stop listening to obscure songs for your introduction to bands.
I agree totally. When you are being exposed to a band that you have never heard before, you should be listening to the material that made them famous or well regarded originally and not the deep cut obscurities. Having said that, I have often found myself discovering and loving some deeper cut material. (Of course, to use one of your favorite expressions, you are not the one making these choices since you have never listened to rock before.)
I disagree. I think far too many people fixate on “the hits” and often, the worst tracks on an album were released as singles in the days of FM rock radio. Carry On Wayward Son and Dust in the Wind are all-time classics, for sure, but Kansas has better songs.
My ,my, my ! What A rapid musically intellectual bite back !
And just to inform you I'm a trained musicians with a powerfully keen ear !
They were inspired by classically British Progressive band like Genesis and Yes which I'm sure you're largely aware of !
I just get touchy when people and studious musical people such as yourself dissect and relabel the musical prowess of the bands who sometimes express the deepest part of my being ! Jiva Atma
😂😂😂
I like your expression when hearing these PROGRESSIVE ROCK tunes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I can tell you really hear their artistic depth. A super good band great composition abilities .
Interesting to me, Amy says she doesn't connect with the music, but she swayed to this more than most other music.
I love it. It has over the years been one of my favorite Kansas tracks. It is progressive rock.
It was a real violin with a pickup wired to an amplifier. The synthesizers were old school analog synths. They are the voice of Kansas and made their sound so unique.
Kansas also had a southern rock leaning, too. Retro indeed. Maybe some Jethro Tull à la Thick As A Brick, which I would recommend. Great choice!.
Early Kansas had quite an eclectic sound. The songs, like this one, that were more progressive did adopt an approach in which more "absolute" or baroque-inspired themes were placed in service of a more traditional song theme. This, along with having an actual violinist in the band, made their sound distinctive. They were also the only big progressive-style band from the United States (rather than Britain), but didn't limit themselves exclusively to that style. Some works and passages are flashy for their own sake, but this is (in my opinion) only a problem in a few songs (like Magnum Opus) while for the majority (including this one), it is a bonus, like a form of baroque ornamentation. When applying strictly romantic ideals, one does ask "does this serve the theme or mood," but this is not 19th Century Music. I find that in songs like this, the various interludes and bridges (and responses) are worthy enhancements. I don't listen to a Bach fugue for its conciseness, but for its complexity. This song is nicely balanced between a clear subject (carried by the vocalist and lyrics), livened and enhanced by supplemental passages that provide a variety of tempos and dynamics that the main themes haven't presented. I think it's a question of whether (and when) one supports a theme through traditional development methods, or through its framing with contrasting ideas and sections (and whether all of these must necessarily fit into a specific repetitive structure, or whether some are allowed to simply occur once, as a transitional passage). With most Yes music, the overarching structure is there and can readily be mapped out. With the progressive songs of Kansas, there tends to be a smaller-scale approach. I think it's just a matter of adjusting one's listening. In a hybrid song like this, Kansas tends to present the heart of the song in its lyrical vocal passages, with a variety of musical interludes in between. In most such songs, it works, but does sound rather different from other well-known bands. Kansas also did blazing hits in a more concise style, but the fact that they could draw upon diverse styles and approaches was part of what allowed most of their works to be very effective. Icarus is an early work of theirs, and as with so many 1970s bands, they were compelled to become more concise over time. (And greatly dropped in quality during the 1980s neo-pop era.)
Thank you.. all Kansas fans know this already everybody else is just missing out...
Yes, please listen to more! The album Leftoverture is a masterpiece that must be listened to multiple times to get it! I am a fan now for over 50 years, and I am still hearing new things about the genius of Kerry Livgren and Steve Walsh! If you overanalyze you might be missing somethng , and not feeling the music for what it is.
I’ve always thought that this song was simply about flying. My grandfather was a professional pilot, and around the time I first heard this song ( the live version from “ Two For The Show”), my father was working on getting his pilot’s license. I played it for him and he loved it. I don’t know if Kerry Livgren already had his pilot’s license at the time he wrote this, but I know he had one later at least. Honestly, I think the only connection to the mythological Icarus is just the title. Also, if you’ve ever driven across Kansas, it’s kind of amazing how many astronauts were from there. My pilot grandfather was also from Kansas. There must be something about growing up there that makes you want to get off of the ground!
Miracles out of no where
Kansas is nice. Its a good beginning. Next, go with some Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weather Report. Move to Yes next (Close to the Edge). Then you will be ready to enter the Court of the Crimson King...
For me, "Leftoverture" and "Point of Know Return" are both perfect albums. The hits suggested in the comments are all good. Musically I really like "Paradox" as a busier song that's busyness makes sense, and "The Wall" is one of the rare times for me where I think the lyrics are exceptionally good, and it's set to some great music.
Great to see you do a reaction to Kansas! Although you weren't immediately enthused by this song (I don't think the guitar sound on this album helped), I hope you'll try them out again. For more atmosphere, I'd urge you to listen to Lamplight Symphony next with its haunting theme and glorious piano.
Saw them do this live and WOW !!!!! I think you will like Kansas.
You should hear their song “Journey to MariaBronn”, amazing song.
Also they have also great live album for their 40th anniversary with the Topeka orchestra. They had orchestral arrangements professionally done for those concerts.
Icarus was recorded in 1975 and MIDI was officially released in 1983. What made midifiles sound artificial was not only the synthesized timbres, but the rigidity of the tempo (sadly contemporary pop music is the same). Most bands in the 70's didn't record to a click track. In this piece there are many tempo changes.
Its a synthesizer / violin unison in the beginning. Steve Walsh's voice then comes in doubled and chorused / flanged. Though its classic Rock, it's heavily influenced by classical compositions. Paginini in some sort of minor mode?
i have been a kansas fan since 1975 when this album came out?.. Kansas fan's are different in many way's.......
This music pre-dates MIDI. It is real, live musicians on real instruments. Even the synths are analog.
I agree with everyone else's comments about the The live shows must be reacted to in the future. I hope you have the time and interest in pursuing this further. They have a lot you may enjoy.
Amy, please please Do a review of Miracles Out of Nowhere, their best song. Oh, and Carry on Wayward Son. Both from Leftoverture, which has a much more completed production sound than Masque, which this song was from.
Lo escribiré en español porque transmite lo que realmente estoy pensando :
Kansas es una banda en la que realmente puedes escuchar a estados unidos y la zona en que vivían ( kansas , topeka).
Escribo esto,porque al parecer primero sabían que eran rockeros , de Topeka ... y a esto sumaron sus conocimientos y habilidades que dieron como resultado una banda increíble y única en su especie ( todo el peso del rock + el progresivo ).
Realmente, Kansas es una banda que solo pudo haber salido durante la grandeza y la magia de los 70's
It is very connected, I played this in a band and you cannot play this haphazardly. Very dynamic. Very controlled actually.
I think 'mechanical' was what she also said.
I liked the Celtic-style opening. I like Kansas, but find Amy's points are well taken. An interesting perspective.
I knew Kansas but never heard them a lot. I remember "Dust in the Wind" only. I liked parts of this music, but it didn't get me. Of course, they are great musicians.
A more accessible song on an emotional level might be "Dust In The Wind" - it was a big hit for the band, and most people really liked it.
Recorded before MIDI before click tracks just a band playing .
There is a part two that was released years later that looks back at this song from an older perspective and is just as good.
Kerry Livgren the principle writer of early Kansas has stated that he was into Gentle Giant, not so much Yes. He found the Yes lyrics rather lacking. Realistically, given the time and technology, it was unlikely that they would have heard much from the English side anyhow. Yes's first big hit was Roundabout in America. Kansas had formed from two bands out of the same area that had been playing bar circuits for several years. Rich Williams once contrasted the heavier and rock aspect of the band to the Canterbury prog of England. He had said we loved to rock while the English style was more mood driven. Personally, I enjoy both. The sound palette of Kansas was different as well. While both sides of the ocean heavily used organs and the early monosynths being developed, Kansas used the Arp string synths in place of the Mellotrons, which were a huge part of English prog. That is an interesting story in of itself if you research it. Kansas had a "wall of sound" that is instantly recognized. Plus, the clever use of the violin as a second lead instrument was something few bands had at the time.
The violin played by the late great Robby Steinhardt ! ❤️ He and Kansas were phenomenal live back in the 70s.
It isn't an association that one would normally make, but I see in this song an early cautionary tale giving the same warning that character Ian Malcolm gave in "Jurassic Park": “your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
From the life-produced wax and feathers of the Greek Icarus, we now have the technological/artificial steel wings - immune to the sun, or nearly any other restraining influence! With no perceived need to consider consequences or mortality (not to mention morality), we leap at the chance to create what CS Lewis called "men without chests", and TS Eliot called "Hollow Men" intellects with as little passion and heart as possible! We see the results of this in the line "Earth still far below me - I'm here alone - and I won't come down no more!"
This led, I believe, to the choice to double Robbie Steinhardt's violin with the clearly synthesized violin - blurring the natural with the artificial.
Kansas has such a great catalog of albums... Some other great songs to check out are "Portrait (He Knew)", "Point of Know Return", "Dust In the Wind", "Carry On Wayward Son", etc...
May I suggest listening to Steve Morse's band - The Dixie Dregs. Steve was also a member of Kansas at one point.
If you want to return to Genesis some time, I'd heartily recommend keeping the Greek mythology theme and listening to 'The Fountain of Salmacis'.
This was the first band I loved. They have a sound that could be described as Kansas to the bone . . . hard southern rock with a whole lot of prog layering. They do have a precision about them that sounds mechanical, but that speaks to the big chops to band members had, often on multiple instruments. While the band’s hits are well known, Kansas’ best record for me is Song for America, which really displays the band’s prog side. Kerry Livgren was indeed one of rock’s all-time-greatest songwriters.
You should listen to more Radiohead, Nude from In Rainbows is one of their best! Absolute perfection
I think you would enjoy The Wall or Song for America better (or even Dust in the Wind).
The Wall and Song for America are my two favorite Kansas songs. Great band!
Song For America would be the best tune from Kansas to listen to. It is to Kansas what "Firth Of Fifth" is to Genesis and what "Close To the Edge" is to Yes. I think you'll like it better.
you can feed nearly any sound into a synthesiser, depending on type, it'll make a mixed tambral thingermerjigger. a popular thing is playing guitar or singing through one, controlled with an 'envelope follower'.
If you played the song Dust in the Wind back to back as many times it's been played on the radio, it would go on for 22 years!
The Pride Of America. Kansas!! A fan since their beginning... Isn't the point of music to progress? I would have to say yes.
Progressive rock can feel detached emotionally, but I thought Kansas did some really incredible work as craftsmen. This isn't gonna hit you like Great Gig, Brothers in Arms, etc... but when you love music and arrangement you are affected emotionally by the beauty of the creation itself.
I suppose when you see a carved mantlepiece in a Victorian home, you could also ask "what for?" Yet, you can be moved by the work, craft, and vision in the creation.
The one thing to mention about the middle section is that the tempo constantly increases until it gets to the guitar and the final verse.
I enjoy your reactions, but I wonder if you missed a couple things in this one… first it’s the flying that gives him so much to feel, not the steel. You asked why are we doing it (this meaningless flying)? Answer: some people (like me) feel exhilaration and freedom when flying. This song is a play on the story of Icarus, not a retelling, as the Icarus here is flying (borne) on wings of steel (that do not melt), so he does not have to come down anymore. Some think the steel refers to the steel strings on Kerry Livgren’s guitar which allow him to soar to great heights, others think it’s referring to the wings of an airplane, others to a spiritual journey, and others to anything that gives you a since of exhilaration and freedom like riding a motorcycle. Not everyone relates to these feelings as many actually fear flying, motorcycles, etc…
I think you might like the Kansas classics “dust in the wind” & “carry on my wayward son” better. th-cam.com/video/tH2w6Oxx0kQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GSdsAIZB7KlxsAJL th-cam.com/video/P5ZJui3aPoQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Zq9xNvs9-IFqtJhD
Needed to be said.
I grew up watching Kansas as a bar band. I saw them the first time they played as “Kansas.” They always take you on a journey. Contrary to what some have said, they were influenced by rock, jazz and classical. A lot of the music was written in movements. And “Carry on My Wayward Son” was written because of a threat from their record company for songs that were short enough to get radio play. It’s too bad you didn’t like it. Some of those “trite” harmonics were created by them.
Cool! Different variations of White Clover too?
Someone who followed Kansas since their first show should know the song is entitled Carry On Wayward Son.
@@SmokeyTreats Ya. White Clover, Saratoga…. they were sort of a local supergroup with members from several bands. Walsh was from St. Joe. The thing I remember most from that first show was that they did a cover of Smoke on the Water…. Robby sang it as Smoke on the Penis. For some reason, we thought that was funnier than it actually was. It was during a blizzard in a little bar in the middle of nowhere. Livgren lives about 20 minutes from me. I used to run across him fairly often. Robby would come back to see his mom and stop in at a local bar and buy a few rounds. The good old days.
@@crusheverything4449 Read much?
@@astrogatorjones Yeah I grew up in St. Joe & got to watch Walsh in all of his early local bands. He was a senior when I was a freshman at the same hs, though I never knew him. One of my best buds was & still is very close friends of his & my sis is a close church friend of his mom's. The thing I remember most of their first show here was they had two keyboardists who faced each other from both ends of the stage. Their guitarist resembled a shorter version of Hendrix if you stood 30 feet away, & his playing reminded me a lot of Jimi too. Heard his fingers on his left hand had a bad run-in with a circular saw, which sadly ended his career, but never really learned the exact details on that accident. Yep, the good old days.
"Carry On, Wayward Son"
"Cheyenne Anthem"
"Nobody's Home"
"Dust in the Wind"
Just a few of my favorite Kansas song. Beautiful music, beautiful messages. Better compositions than "Icarus."
Do listen.
You have to listen to it a lot more than once. It s very musical and game like at all.
I hope you also get to listen to "Icarus II" from Kansas's *Somewhere To Elsewhere* album. 🙂
Anxious to see Kansas in the near future in Peoria!!! I saw them in 81 and again 86. I know it won’t be all original members but yeah!
Dust In The Wind is a classic you really need to listen to and the story behind the song is really interesting.
I think simply because this specific song is a little *rock* inside baseball, it's less about communicating to a whole in first intention, first intention is to stake a claim and reiterate the state of rock and roll in this period, the move towards formula over oratory connections. Steel wings is a guitar specifically electric. You should explore the *arguments* between long career bands over the years, the musical calls and responses to *step up* or back off progression not between songs or individuals but between movements within a wide genre like rock. Exceptional work, carry on. ❤
First, real violin. Second, think jet fighters/wings of steel... as I remember an interview with composer K.Livgren in which he said he was inspired by a relative who fought in the skies during wartime. I think that might help in understanding the chaos... and the joy that a pilot feels about being in the air. So any ambition/pursuit you felt during the listen really pertains more to a life/death battle, and the ambition is to stay alive and of course, victory.
For something more 'easy'... try "Lamplight Symphony", or Song for America (which really fits the analysis you felt about this song).
For additional songs that may engage you from Kansas' catalog, try "Song for America" or "Incomudru: Hymn to the Atman."
Interesting reaction Amy. Back in the late 70s/early 80s when I was in high-school and early college, I liked Kansas qute a bit. I agree with others that your 1st listen should have been Carry on My Wayward Son. But over time I lost interest in them. Now, decades later, I have little or no interest in hearing them again. But I was curious to hear your reaction to one of their songs. Hearing this track again, "mechanical" is a good description of how their music sounds to me now. Unlike 70s era Genesis, I've lost the emotional connection that I used to have with Kansas. I had no idea that the band considered Genesis an influence. They don't compare IMO.
I understand that you're put off by the almost overly done exactness of some of the music, but please bear in mind, MIDI, as a language and as a sequencing tool, were not invented yet when this music came out. This is just quite precise musicianship. Please give credit due...
How can a classical musician not know the difference of a violin and an synth? Very disappointed.
The song from this Masque album you should have chosen is The Pinnacle, which is much more melodic and classical oriented, while still being big and powerful.
My other recommendations of Kansas songs are as follows:
Hopelessly Human - More mellow but beautiful song with beautiful lyrics.
Song for America - An exciting long journey of great instrumental arrangements. It contains both classical and prog elements. You could almost call this a Kansas theme song.
Incomudro - Hymn to the Atman - This is one of those big Epics. Beautiful deep lyrics with long instrumental journeys to remember. Contains both prog, rock and classical elements.
Magnum Opus - Very similar to the one above, but more acoustic and heavier.
Miracles Out of Nowhere - Beautiful song which mixes classical inspired style acoustic and electric instrument. It has fancy lyrics too.
Hopelessly Human is their best.
You should listen to "Lamplight Symphony" - one of thier more symphonic tracks with an amazing ghost story! Also, Wings Of Steel is a reference to a wartime fighter plane- Icarus is the pilot. This is more evident in the song Icarus II that came later.
The "robotic" or, as you called it, "midi" character of the music can probably be explained by the state of tech when this was recorded. Kansas uses a LOT of synths and this was 1975. Velocity sensing keyboards were very uncommon and niceties like aftertouch were unheard of. Those features were developed later to put some human expression capabilities into electronic keyboards. In '75 you were lucky if you had a pitch/modulation wheel or a volume pedal on your synth.
The production on this album and Song for America is poor.
I never liked the way either album sounded, and I always listen to the versions of the songs featured on Two for the Show instead.
@@Incomudro1963 Can't argue with that! Can't think of a good adjective to describe my take on production. Could say the mix sounds "thin" or "hollow" but that's not exactly it.
Carry on Wayward Son and Dust in the Wind are their important songs. The Wall (a different one from PF's) and The Portrait (He Knew) would also be interesting.
They have many important songs, bub, but they don’t have a song called “The Portrait”.
@@crusheverything4449 oh, I guess it is just Portrait (He knew)
You'll LOVE Dust in the Wind. Their violin player is essential to the Kansas sound.
Maybe listen to the live album/DVD with an orchestra " Know Place Like Home" especially "Song For America" it is a great combination of Orchestra and Rock band !
You mentioned that they had a million selling single. That would be Dust in the Wind. I am very glad you did not start with it. Don't get me wrong - it is gorgeous, haunting, thoughtful, and very approachable. It is also so atypical of their other output. You have other suggestions that will show what they are like. Have a few of those before Dust in the Wind - I know you will appreciate it on multiple levels: the marriage of music and lyrical themes, the exposed delicate acoustic guitar picking, the lovely violin solo, and other.