The Land Master: A Forgotten Land Rover Rival
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- S2 E2
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Farmer I do a bit of work for occasionally, has one of these in his shed.
Back in the early 80's I drove one of these from Dorset/Somerset border up to Birmingham and back in a day to drop off an engine somewhere. I remember well the look of shock as I drove through the Cotswolds and passed Land Rovers as the Land Master was so much bigger in every dimension. A few coming towards me had to take sudden avoiding action as they didn't realise the size until I was about to pass them. The one I drove was Orange and White. It was really fun to drive and had good acceleration for the time until it topped out, but wasn't much slower than the Mk1 escort I was usually driving at the time.
Fairly certain (since there can't ever have been many orange and white Land Masters around) that the very same car belonged to a chap called Pat who lived somewhere in Epping Forest in the mid-90s. It was indeed a big old bugger, and in many ways better engineered than a Land Rover. It was in a sorry state by then, unfortunately, and I imagine it's long since been scrapped.
Growing up in Cornwall I remember the Police Land master as it was based in Bodmin, I aslo went to school in Bodmin and know that one of my technology teachers was involved with the development of these ( can't remember his name , as I went to Bodmin Comp 1982-1989 it was a long time ago).
3:11 B461CBO
LANDMASTER
Date of first registration
January 1985
Year of manufacture
1985
Cylinder capacity
3860 cc
CO₂ emissions
Not available
Fuel type
DIESEL
Euro status
Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE)
Not available
Export marker
No
Vehicle status
SORN
Vehicle colour
GREEN
Vehicle type approval
Not available
Wheelplan
2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight
7360 kg
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued
30 May 2023
Still alive then? Albeit off road
Good
@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP well it appears so
Now we all know whence the idea for the the Ineos Grenadier came.
What the Santana?
Not particularly, I think everyone was thinking is it possible to make our own new defender replica at home that was legally registerable considering idiotic pollution and safety regulations, I know I did and said no chance so I bought a 1988 perentie and renovated what could, and plan to buy a second to do a complete chassis up rebuild to avoid new junk
Yeah another w⚓ who thought he knew better and a leg end in his own mind.
Put the comment before my eyes
Dude 3 houses down has one of them fangled grenadiers....
Gotta say I quite like the idea and want one, not that I could ever afford new though
Would it just be better getting like a 2003 defender or something?
I recall an article about these in Off Raod and 4 Wheel Driver @1984/5. I saw my first and only LM in real life when I was viewing a car to buy in 2000, the owner of the car also owned the LM. I bought neither.
The design seems inspired in the Romanian ARO 24 series (which itself spawned the Hisparo and Portaro, CKDs assembled locally under license in Spain and Portugal respectively).
It looks a lot with the PORTARO, a 4x4 built in Portugal, under licence of ARO, a Romanian car company, in the 70´s and 80´s. Very much so!
I enjoyed this video. I particularly liked the transition from the documentation of an interesting historical sidenote to full-on philosophy at the end. Like the author of this video's voiceover, I find the ultimate pointlessness of our existence comforting, though many are terrified by it.
Writing from India. Since you mentioned C.K. Farnworth, I remember seeing a tractor sometime in the 1990s, badged as a C.K. Farnworth.
I photographed one for "Off Road" magazine in, maybe, 1984. I think it got a page in colour. Driven by Chris Farnsworth I think was his name and pretty sure we met up on Salisbury plain. There were a few hopefuls seeking military interest there that day including Gomba Stonefield
At some point the supply of Chrysler V8s would dry up since they'd much rather have sold those customers a complete Dodge Ramcharger.
Thankyou for this dig into the past.
Although i have been a LandRover owner since 1975, i watch the rivals with great interest.
never heard of it before. thank you for that.
The best thing about being a misanthropic nihilist, is even if you did care about humanity, it would be pointless anyway
I seem to remember some of these were bought by an electricity company for infrastructure maintenance in the mid eighties as they had better payload and towing abilities than the Land Rovers of the time.
I am kinda like you, i spend a lot of time reading and watching things about cars, and sometimes i found things like this car lol. Love the content, give us more of this kind of content. 😊
Time too bring the Land Master Back!
There was a Truck called a Hillmaster also invented in Cornwall, ive only seen 1 landmaster in person at Glastonbury festival in2004.
The Hillmaster was built by M.G. Rowe of Dobwalls. Also 1 Hillmaster bus survives
I remember the Landmaster being launched, but it quickly disappeared, I think its main problem was that it was seen as simply a stretched Land Rover 109, and a niche market, one had to wait for the arrival of the Ag-Rover to change that.
If you'd like another rabbit hole to go down, look into the Trekka, a New Zealand made Land Rover competitor based on the 60's Skoda Octavia which is probably the opposite of the Land Master because it was inferior to the Land Rover in most aspects.
This is a super interesting story!
Aerodynamics is a funny old topic. For example a Volvo 740 is slipperier than an E-type Jag.
a t5r volvo estate was a class beater in racing due to its coefficient number but competitor companies got it banned.- lol
Oakdale not Oakley. Contact Steve at Foundry 4x4 in Tredegar, he might be able to help with your research.
A fascinating topic, well videoed an amusingly produced! I enjoy your style. Cheers.
A very good looking proper 4X4 boxy as the Land Rover was bring back boxy 4X4 oops there is the Suzuki Jimny and the Toyota Land Cruiser 70 series and we get them in Australia
Perkins never made a v6 engine but other than that a very interesting vehicle.
Looks like the Canyonero from The Simpsons, lol.
Posche Cayennero , one of Simpson's predictions.
Top of the heap in utility sports unexplained fires are a matter for the courts canyonero
Its got seven cupholders. SEVEN !
Yes but is it 70feet long and 3 lanes wide 7 and a half tons of American pride
And it goes real slow with the hammer down
I have a feeling this was a "fake it till you make it" experiment. Reading the scanty development information it seems what he was doing was "reverse engineering" the reasonably successful Dodge light Truck by putting it on a custom chassis and bodywork to suit. He could not develop an engine, so used Perkins etc; and I suspect the Gearbox/drive train were probably lifted straight out of dodge. In the end its what so many guys do today with Land Rovers. Modify to keep it going. IF anyone knows more about these I would like to hear it.
Very interesting video keep up the good work.
Well there you go....Original is the Land Rover, Japanese copy is the Land Cruiser, and then there was the few Land Master's !!
As LANDROVER copied JEEP (USA )
That was quite interesting :)
Jim Marsden of Gigglepin posted a pic of one recently on his socials
It looks like a Romanian ARO 4x4 with a bit of tunning
I think a Landmaster in black would be a fine vehicle for both off road acticvities and nonsing and murdering.
There is the UMM from Portugal and another vehicle I can see in my minds eye but can’t remember its name.
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Ineos Grenadier! 😂
LOL oh really, ok. I think the greadier so much more modern if you really look at it mechanically
Ineos grenadier built 40 years ago
Interesting
Wise words😂
Please tell me this is a made up Spoof artical? I have driven & worked upon PortAro similar looking things. This must be a wind up.
THERE IS NO RIVAL TO LANDROVER
No that's because the landcruiser is above and beyond it
^ Nah. Landies still comfortably outnumber it here in the UK, and most of the 4x4's LR have built are still around today.
The Land-Cruiser isn't bad, but it isn't great either.
@jimtaylor294 I'll agree that the landrover outnumbers the landcruiser
The English certainly made an awful lot of ugly, unreliable and poorly built shitboxes over the years.
Here in Western Australia, my Dad and Grandfather used to rip the engines out of brand new land rovers and put Holden six cylinder petrol engines in them because the Landies couldn't handle outback conditions.
Thanks for the video mate, had never heard of this one before.
Are you saying that you also find Land Rovers ugly? I remember being really surprised to read a Wilbur Smith novel which described a Land Rover as an "ugly, blunt-nosed vehicle". I've always thought they're gorgeous.
Mind you, I'm with you on the Land Master. What a minger! The thing's hideous.
What did you do with the un-used Land-Rover engines?
Why did you not buy one of the many Australian built 4x4's instead?.... 🤔
@@cameronmurie Used to either sell them or put them in the shed.
@@andicog There were no Australian built 4WD's in the 70's.
I think it was about 1975 that Dad and Pop swapped to the HJ45 LandCruisers.