Cory Miller is a straight up elk killer - glad he stopped by to show off some new arrows from Black Eagle - His long tenure as a pro shop owner equals a ton of archery wisdom!! -DS
spine alignment and an arrow deflection measuring tool is essential for pin point accuracy. I like using the coops bowsmith spine tester. I have personally found that broadhead indexing is a moot point when you have a perfectly tuned and balanced arrow. As long as the broadhead is of the same weight and same general design....dont seem to matter which way the broadhead is screwed on-shoots the same for me out to 100 yards-when wind is not a factor to calculate for arrow drift.
Im going to be shooting this system and focus arrows this year. My go to shafts nefore were the BE spartans im hoping the new focus will be as good 🤞. I bought a bow from Cory at xxx in 2018 after taking a 13 year hiatus from archery. Cory had my new bow tuned to perfection while i waited. A friend of mine was shooting a local 5 spot league that night and invited me to go, we ended up winning league that evening. Point being Cory knows his way around the archery shop or in the elk woods . Thanks Dan and Cory for the opportunity to ramble.
I went through this back when I shot black eagle arrows. I tested the theory and indexing the 2 blades did change the impact point on some of my arrows. That was the entire reason I was using the Focus inserts. What I realized is it is a band-aid for poorly tuned arrows. The Rampage and Carnivore arrows were very sensitive to nock tuning due to what I assume is a less consistent carbon resulting in a drastic difference between the Stiff side of the arrow and the soft side. I went back and bareshaft tuned all of my arrows and found that the ones that were helped by indexing the broadhead were not shooting bullet holes bareshaft. Once I nock tuned these arrows I could orient the broadhead in any direction without changing the point of impact. During this time I also learned that you can only tighten and loosen the Focus retaining screw a handful of times before it would either strip out, or no longer stay tight. I switched to a better quality arrow and broadhead indexing is no longer needed. I shoot Victory arrows now and am very happy with them. I am glad to see that they have added a spine align mark to the new arrows, but I dont see a day when I shoot a black eagle personally. I do sell them to people who want a decent arrow at a decent price all the time. My son and daughter shoot Outlaws, and Talons right now because at 20 yards with a field point it really makes no difference.
When a bow is slightly out of tune nock tuning becomes much more sensitive as well. I know you don’t believe it but you likely didn’t have the bow in as good of a place as it could be. I’ve takin many bows a couple clicks out of tune and nock tuning becomes a nightmare. Get the bow back to its most forgiving tune and those same exact shafts are far less sensitive to turning of nocks. I’ve seen it over and over. And some shafts just flat out don’t have a great spine consistency and they are a nightmare either way. Don’t think that’s your case with a rampage though as they’ve proven to be very consistent on the spine tester
@jwild5360 the bow was in tune, and we repeated the tests at the shop. Without changing a thing on the bow I tested both the VAP TKOs and the RIP TKOs and I could get away with rotating the nock 1/3 of a turn before the bareshaft stopped shooting bullet holes. With either Victory Arrows I can clock the broad head in any position and maintain point of impact. It's kind of obvious that Black Eagle has taken note of this and is moving in that direction. Between marking the stiff side of the spine and using at least some woven carbon. For me it's also peace of mind. I don't have to worry about missing a shot because my nock got slightly turned with the TKOs.
@jwild5360 one other note on the bow tune. It shoots bullet holes with bareshafts all the way from my 4mm Vaps up to my VTAC 25 Target arrows. The nice thing about working part time at the Archery Shop is when it's slow I get to tinker with my bow/arrows. Of course this time of year that's not happening since everyone waits till the last minute to get new strings, arrows, a tune ect...lol
Good tip on indexing. Once I have the shafts spine aligned. I align my broadheads to the nock. (Made a homemade jig) Then I fletch my arrows. Then, shoot and index the broadhead and/or nock until the arrow is tuned.
The main reason I use Bohning blue low heat hot melt is to be able to slightly heat the brass insert and rotate it for indexing my fixed broad heads. So simple and IT WONT DESTROY YOUR CARBON ARROW. Low heat enough to rotate the insert hasn’t ruined any of my arrows ever.
@ I use brass inserts in my hunting arrows, Black Eagle Carnivore. No epoxy just the low temp hot melt. Heating the shaft just enough to rotate. I very seldom have an insert pull out. Also use it on my target points
I will never steer away from titanium or steel component systems. Neither have ever failed or resulted in a RIP TKO or Axis failing because the components were too hard. Aluminum and brass on the other hand. Well it’ll bend or brake and I have seen it. I am headed north for a second moose hunt. With the money and time I’ve got invested in the first trip (did not get a moose) and the second trip which doubled in price since 19 I will not chance a component system failure. IW all the way through for me. Good luck Dan.
It’s sad to see that his great shop was run into the ground and now closed up by the guy he sold to. XXX Archery was a great shop when it was run by Cory
Hey you should check out the ozcuts kreatures good looking fixed blade with expandable blades @ 1.75 inches do a review I wanna see your thoughts on them
Nice arrows not a fan of there components had this same system on deep impacts the aluminum is too soft needs to be steel or titanium. Shot two bucks with them both broke the outsert off where the carbon starts. Did get both deer tho.
Cory Miller is a straight up elk killer - glad he stopped by to show off some new arrows from Black Eagle - His long tenure as a pro shop owner equals a ton of archery wisdom!! -DS
spine alignment and an arrow deflection measuring tool is essential for pin point accuracy. I like using the coops bowsmith spine tester. I have personally found that broadhead indexing is a moot point when you have a perfectly tuned and balanced arrow. As long as the broadhead is of the same weight and same general design....dont seem to matter which way the broadhead is screwed on-shoots the same for me out to 100 yards-when wind is not a factor to calculate for arrow drift.
Glad to see a baker archery product, Butch is a good dude, helped me out a lot on the phone when I was having string building questions
Im going to be shooting this system and focus arrows this year. My go to shafts nefore were the BE spartans im hoping the new focus will be as good 🤞.
I bought a bow from Cory at xxx in 2018 after taking a 13 year hiatus from archery. Cory had my new bow tuned to perfection while i waited. A friend of mine was shooting a local 5 spot league that night and invited me to go, we ended up winning league that evening. Point being Cory knows his way around the archery shop or in the elk woods . Thanks Dan and Cory for the opportunity to ramble.
I went through this back when I shot black eagle arrows. I tested the theory and indexing the 2 blades did change the impact point on some of my arrows. That was the entire reason I was using the Focus inserts. What I realized is it is a band-aid for poorly tuned arrows. The Rampage and Carnivore arrows were very sensitive to nock tuning due to what I assume is a less consistent carbon resulting in a drastic difference between the Stiff side of the arrow and the soft side. I went back and bareshaft tuned all of my arrows and found that the ones that were helped by indexing the broadhead were not shooting bullet holes bareshaft. Once I nock tuned these arrows I could orient the broadhead in any direction without changing the point of impact. During this time I also learned that you can only tighten and loosen the Focus retaining screw a handful of times before it would either strip out, or no longer stay tight. I switched to a better quality arrow and broadhead indexing is no longer needed. I shoot Victory arrows now and am very happy with them. I am glad to see that they have added a spine align mark to the new arrows, but I dont see a day when I shoot a black eagle personally. I do sell them to people who want a decent arrow at a decent price all the time. My son and daughter shoot Outlaws, and Talons right now because at 20 yards with a field point it really makes no difference.
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I had the exact same experience!
When a bow is slightly out of tune nock tuning becomes much more sensitive as well. I know you don’t believe it but you likely didn’t have the bow in as good of a place as it could be.
I’ve takin many bows a couple clicks out of tune and nock tuning becomes a nightmare. Get the bow back to its most forgiving tune and those same exact shafts are far less sensitive to turning of nocks. I’ve seen it over and over.
And some shafts just flat out don’t have a great spine consistency and they are a nightmare either way. Don’t think that’s your case with a rampage though as they’ve proven to be very consistent on the spine tester
@jwild5360 the bow was in tune, and we repeated the tests at the shop. Without changing a thing on the bow I tested both the VAP TKOs and the RIP TKOs and I could get away with rotating the nock 1/3 of a turn before the bareshaft stopped shooting bullet holes. With either Victory Arrows I can clock the broad head in any position and maintain point of impact. It's kind of obvious that Black Eagle has taken note of this and is moving in that direction. Between marking the stiff side of the spine and using at least some woven carbon. For me it's also peace of mind. I don't have to worry about missing a shot because my nock got slightly turned with the TKOs.
@jwild5360 one other note on the bow tune. It shoots bullet holes with bareshafts all the way from my 4mm Vaps up to my VTAC 25 Target arrows. The nice thing about working part time at the Archery Shop is when it's slow I get to tinker with my bow/arrows. Of course this time of year that's not happening since everyone waits till the last minute to get new strings, arrows, a tune ect...lol
Good tip on indexing.
Once I have the shafts spine aligned.
I align my broadheads to the nock. (Made a homemade jig)
Then I fletch my arrows.
Then, shoot and index the broadhead and/or nock until the arrow is tuned.
Black Eagle arrows are straight up G! 🤘
The main reason I use Bohning blue low heat hot melt is to be able to slightly heat the brass insert and rotate it for indexing my fixed broad heads. So simple and IT WONT DESTROY YOUR CARBON ARROW. Low heat enough to rotate the insert hasn’t ruined any of my arrows ever.
@@timbow50 I take it you’re referring to hit inserts? Do you epoxy them in once you get them dialed?
@ I use brass inserts in my hunting arrows, Black Eagle Carnivore. No epoxy just the low temp hot melt. Heating the shaft just enough to rotate. I very seldom have an insert pull out. Also use it on my target points
I will never steer away from titanium or steel component systems. Neither have ever failed or resulted in a RIP TKO or Axis failing because the components were too hard.
Aluminum and brass on the other hand. Well it’ll bend or brake and I have seen it.
I am headed north for a second moose hunt. With the money and time I’ve got invested in the first trip (did not get a moose) and the second trip which doubled in price since 19 I will not chance a component system failure. IW all the way through for me. Good luck Dan.
This is a cool system
To short! Needed more of that elk hunting knowledge!
Let's go! 🏹
😂 Dans cameraman cheating on him. That intro was great.
It’s sad to see that his great shop was run into the ground and now closed up by the guy he sold to. XXX Archery was a great shop when it was run by Cory
Hell yeah boys...and also, Livesay..did you serve in the Army in Alaska Cco1-17?
I would go with a fire nock before I changed from a 4 mm shaft to a five the advantages of 4 mm outweigh the issue that can be solved!
Hey you should check out the ozcuts kreatures good looking fixed blade with expandable blades @ 1.75 inches do a review I wanna see your thoughts on them
Nice system, probably won't try them because they're a little Heavy for my liking.
Tool rocks...
black eagle makes great shafts... ditch the aluminum.
Nice arrows not a fan of there components had this same system on deep impacts the aluminum is too soft needs to be steel or titanium. Shot two bucks with them both broke the outsert off where the carbon starts. Did get both deer tho.
I just mark mine with a silver sharpie
When he said 405 dan about came unglued
Whats the gpi for 350 spine?
@@brockpeck7073 8.2gpi
Me personally, i suck and hit shit i shouldnt, so no aluminum!!!
Don’t let those fairies find out you’re shooting a light arrow. They’re just as bad as peta 😂😂😂
Dan go get some lit .166 lighted nocks and thank me later