The 143s originally came to Heaton -built by Alexanders of Kilmarnock. Because of massive gearbox problems the gearboxes were changed to Voith -after all the bugs were sorted out they were transferred to Cardiff and Heaton got 142s instead the first being 142 050 in Chocolate and Cream!! -in the North East!
'This is Tinsley Dippo before sunroise...This Dippo is now clowsed' An immortal line from this Brummie commentator on another vid. Oh for David Maxey and his patent sarcasm :)
later on the class 142's were retrofitted with Cummins 10 litre turbo LTA10-R 6-cylinder engines with voith hydraulic transmissions. The 143 and 144's also had the same engine and transmission retrofitted. The class 141 also got the same Cummins engine and transmission I've just learned.
I wish we didn't have so many pacers on my local routes (local stopping between sheffield and doncaster/leeds). I absolutely hate the 142s especially-they're so uncomfy. unfortunately normally if it's not a pace it's a 153 which isn't big enough for the number of passengers that use them
Most of the clips shown in this video are actually taken later than 1990. The 143s were only moved to South Wales in 1991 from Newcastle. The new GMPTE livery only started to be applied to 142s in 1994. Also, most 142s, 143s and 144s have Cummins engines in these videos. These were only fitted from 1993.
I wonder how those who left negative comments about the Pacers 10-12yrs ago felt about them in 2021 when they were withdrawn en Masse. These tough runabouts kept the railways going on local services. The 142's had a purposeful front end design, unlike the 'soft' looking 143's, great acceleration and all seating positioned the correct way, unlike the horrible 150's and 152's.
I envy you! I wouldn't mind a swap for the 142s you have on your local line for our class 150 noisy and claustrophobic 'greenhouses' that we have operating in the Manchester area!
As new classes 142, 143 and 144s had Leyland TL11 engines and SCG gearboxes as on the 141s. Voith gearboxes were fitted between late 1988 and March 1991 to all 142s, 143s and 144s. The 142s, 143s and 144s received Cummins engines between March 1993 and 1996 as the Leyland TL11 engines were worn out and obsolete.
As a person who has used the hope valley line a lot, I can't wait till they go! Haha. The older ones look even worse than the current affairs. Nostalgic and interesting though mind
I heard the wiithdrawal of the Northern Pacers will start in September next year with the last to be removed from traffic in October 2019 before the deadline of Pacers on 31 December 2019. I reckon 'a few people will mourn passing of the Pacer. Northern has announced a multi-million pound investment in 281 new carriages, with the first of the new fleet being delivered by October next year. The 100mph trains will include air conditioning, power sockets, toilets and free WiFi for passengers.
It is not so much moaning of the Pacer. It is the fact that on a lot of Pacer routes, (around the same age or marginally older) cascaded Class 150/1s that no other TOC wants, will in fact be used to directly replace them. I consider that a Class 170 Turbostar is a bare minimum acceptable direct DMU to replace a Pacer and the eldest of these are now appraoching 20 years old.
143 and 144 all had cummins not leyland. Only 141 and 142's started off for a few years with the dreaded leyland engine then went to cummins with voith transmission
Ghastly little train, I remember when they were introduced, we use to dread them, they were more unreliable and uncomfortable than what they replaced, I still remember hearing their axles scream at Shipley.
@FirstGreatWestern43 I wouldnt bother.....all the disadvantages of a Leyland Bus using crappy rail infrastructure..oh and the suspension isnt very good and the seats are horrid.....well thats how i remember them travelling on them 20 years back. I mean just look at them....a bus chassis on a track..............ewwww...........sexy
Pacer trains were ment to be a short term stopgap due to a shortage of rolling stock
Fixed axles? Who the hell thought this was a good idea on a passenger train?
This was an inexpensive train, as demanded by the Conservative government of the time.
it's like they took two buses, chained them together, and pulled the tires off, and said "Job's a good'un"
@Ciaran Wilkinson no they didn't they did more. They uses a freight wagon underframe as well as using two busses for one car ridge.
26 years on and some routes are still stuck with these trains :P Can't wait for 2020
Took another year for them to finally go lol
The 143s originally came to Heaton -built by Alexanders of Kilmarnock. Because of massive gearbox problems the gearboxes were changed to Voith -after all the bugs were sorted out they were transferred to Cardiff and Heaton got 142s instead the first being 142 050 in Chocolate and Cream!! -in the North East!
'This is Tinsley Dippo before sunroise...This Dippo is now clowsed' An immortal line from this Brummie commentator on another vid. Oh for David Maxey and his patent sarcasm :)
Love them or hate them, these trains are different to other types of trains and when they finally go it'll be very interesting.
Brilliant video 5*. Wasn't this on a vhs video aswell though?
later on the class 142's were retrofitted with Cummins 10 litre turbo LTA10-R 6-cylinder engines with voith hydraulic transmissions. The 143 and 144's also had the same engine and transmission retrofitted. The class 141 also got the same Cummins engine and transmission I've just learned.
Only 1 141 had the Cummins engine all the other 141s had the Leyland engines
Daryl Yates didn't know that, thought they was all converted from the Leyland engines. Thanks for correcting me.
I wish we didn't have so many pacers on my local routes (local stopping between sheffield and doncaster/leeds). I absolutely hate the 142s especially-they're so uncomfy. unfortunately normally if it's not a pace it's a 153 which isn't big enough for the number of passengers that use them
I remember bouncing around on them , they were'nt a comfortable ride, and nearly going deaf at full revs doncaster to Hull
Most of the clips shown in this video are actually taken later than 1990. The 143s were only moved to South Wales in 1991 from Newcastle. The new GMPTE livery only started to be applied to 142s in 1994. Also, most 142s, 143s and 144s have Cummins engines in these videos. These were only fitted from 1993.
7:22 That bounce...
I wonder how those who left negative comments about the Pacers 10-12yrs ago felt about them in 2021 when they were withdrawn en Masse.
These tough runabouts kept the railways going on local services. The 142's had a purposeful front end design, unlike the 'soft' looking 143's, great acceleration and all seating positioned the correct way, unlike the horrible 150's and 152's.
I envy you! I wouldn't mind a swap for the 142s you have on your local line for our class 150 noisy and claustrophobic 'greenhouses' that we have operating in the Manchester area!
I Would Rather For You To Have a Class 143 Or 144 Rather Than A 142
Pacers were invented to punish train travellers for not buying cars.
They look so different woah :-)
It is off one of them. The video is behind me on my shelf now.
As new classes 142, 143 and 144s had Leyland TL11 engines and SCG gearboxes as on the 141s. Voith gearboxes were fitted between late 1988 and March 1991 to all 142s, 143s and 144s. The 142s, 143s and 144s received Cummins engines between March 1993 and 1996 as the Leyland TL11 engines were worn out and obsolete.
This cant be 1990, most pacers were not in them liveries back then.
It's more like 1992/1993!
@coveneyr Only the body is derived from a bus. The two axle underframe was built by BREL (Derby) from research gained from the APT.
As a person who has used the hope valley line a lot, I can't wait till they go! Haha. The older ones look even worse than the current affairs. Nostalgic and interesting though mind
I heard the wiithdrawal of the Northern Pacers will start in September next year with the last to be removed from traffic in October 2019 before the deadline of Pacers on 31 December 2019. I reckon 'a few people will mourn passing of the Pacer. Northern has announced a multi-million pound investment in 281 new carriages, with the first of the new fleet being delivered by October next year. The 100mph trains will include air conditioning, power sockets, toilets and free WiFi for passengers.
It is not so much moaning of the Pacer. It is the fact that on a lot of Pacer routes, (around the same age or marginally older) cascaded Class 150/1s that no other TOC wants, will in fact be used to directly replace them. I consider that a Class 170 Turbostar is a bare minimum acceptable direct DMU to replace a Pacer and the eldest of these are now appraoching 20 years old.
Majority of pacers are being replaced by class 195s
@StationEndGroup Yes it was off The HST's DMU's and Electrics the green one
Are you the same person that did the Birmingham videos. Like Birmingham Central, Birmingham North and East etc. Just that the voice sounds familier.
Wot is the video called you got this clip off cheers
long live the pacer.
Class 141 looks like a pacer ordered off wish
143 and 144 all had cummins not leyland. Only 141 and 142's started off for a few years with the dreaded leyland engine then went to cummins with voith transmission
1990?
Fantastic video!
That’s 30 years ago
Ghastly little train, I remember when they were introduced, we use to dread them, they were more unreliable and uncomfortable than what they replaced, I still remember hearing their axles scream at Shipley.
I Hate How Some 144's Were 2 Cars
Omg like how awful were these trains bus on rails
the announcer at 0:47 sounds like he hates his job
@duffman82 Not before 2019.
@ssnakula Here that!
@HORNEBEEDUBLO I was just kidding! ;)
"Class 141 and and 142 were powered by Leyland engines." In other words, they were shit!
@1adamstephen I feel the same about the Class 150/1 'furnaces'!
Why Are They So Phantom And Scary They Look Haunted
JEEZ 1990 ENGLAND CJ WOULD BEAT THE MISSION IN 5 SECONDS
Its 1990s UK
Whatdya expect?
@FirstGreatWestern43 I wouldnt bother.....all the disadvantages of a Leyland Bus using crappy rail infrastructure..oh and the suspension isnt very good and the seats are horrid.....well thats how i remember them travelling on them 20 years back.
I mean just look at them....a bus chassis on a track..............ewwww...........sexy
Better than a class 150 noisy and claustrophobic 'sardine' tin, I suppose!
lol class 141 was soo ugly compared to the pacers today
God the Class 141s really were ugly in my opinion. I mean none of the Pacer units are stunners but the 141s just looked dreadful to me.
@mackat4ck Lol!
doncaster isent it