Giving anyone credit for 3-bet bluffing the river in a 1/2 game is just wishful thinking. I’m probably raising to about $550 on this river and snap folding to a 3-bet.
Why balance against a guy “you want to play with”? Is he good enough to know your strategy, formulate a counter strategy AND the balls to pull the trigger in game? That’s a reasonably good player for 1/2 IMO. I don’t know, I think just think you basically stick to exploiting the players tendencies, or the palyer pool’s tendencies, and fuck balance. This guy seems to be leveling himself.
K7 was already my vote for the most likely villain hand. It makes sense to limp-call with that hand (to the extent limping makes sense). It's also the sort of hand that would call flop and lead the turn, and then not fear the flush coming in at the end. It's a backdoor flush, so that makes a bluff marginally more likely from the villain, but I just don't understand what value hero is expecting with the raise on the river. We're going to create tons of problems for ourselves on this river. Pros are good at going thin for value, and recs are too passive, but i think a passive call on this river is in order.
Listened to this in the car earlier. I was thinking T7/K7 on the turn for villain. Just call river defo. Totally love the villains river play. Tbh he plays turn/river perfectly. OOP turn bet just screams value and nut worst river for hero. Turns can be shitty can’t they? Like turning a set really. Golden.
After the club draw comes in on the river, would a K-X hand even bet the river, or would he turn his hand into a bluff catcher? If a hand like K-Q or K-J isn't even betting the river, you're definitely not going to get called by those hands when you raise.
This is a pure call on the first river bet. Raising is very strong and lowers the likelihood of you getting some value - I doubt he's putting you on a lot of bluffs. Sure, he'd probably - not always - call with a lower flush (T9/T8/98/65), or 7x (A7/97/87/76 suited) but I think Kx is a stretch - maybe KTs which now beats AK; even with more Kx calling I count at least 16 likely combos where he beats you (and those NEVER fold)....and that's ignoring T7/K7o/KK. There's thin value and then there's "wahfer thin".
I would have bet 75 otf to see how he reacts and 300 on the turn (repping AK+) and fold to a large c/r. As played I would have raised to 450 on the river and folded to the shove.
Snap call the $200 on the river. The raise is too thin. And if you're going to raise river (which I don't think you should) you have to fold to the jam because that is quite simply not a bluff nearly often enough
When villain jams in this situation he expects to be called -- I just can't see it any other way. It's a fold (note, I haven't yet seen the reveal, lol).
Bet the flop... you want limped hands like KJ or KQ that limped to fold or some goofy Ax no pair with Ac. Call the river don't raise. He could also have some goofy 7x hand. 10 combos of Axcc and very few other clubs. Funny I thought 44 or K7s OTR.
not sure why Bart thinks the villain, who is out of position would call a raise pre flop with 5,6 but completely rules out any 7 when it comes to the river bet.
If you assume you are never getting bluffed when villain 3bet shoves the river at 1/2 I think your folds will be printing and you might be wrong once every couple years.
The turn lead by villain smells of k-10 or k-7. When the flush completes on the river and v leads again I HATE having to make a crying call. HATE it. Although I would. Raising is asking to be kicked in the balls right after you've been punched in the nose. And then calling v's all-in jam??? Are you kidding me?
the way this is played villain if he has a boat is only losing to KK's, so i don't think 44's would ever hesitate to jam 44's. I don't understand what hero is talking about, this is still a $1/2 game, they're simply not very good. Hero is talking abut villain 3 bet bluffing the river. its just stupid
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj not really bc 10 7 would bet the flop more than likely imo but yes maybe 10 7 sometimes it’s just king 7 and 44 made the most sense. 77 would probably just open the pot with a raise pre flop instead of just limping in.
@@sneakkyz3696hero was the preflop raiser. A lot of people will just autocheck the flop to the PFR when out of position, with a plan to check-raise their stronger hands (like top two pair). And anyway, you said he can have 44. Why would T7 bet the flop and not 44? 77 would probably raise pre yeah.
The river is usually just a call but IMO Hero can exploit the Villain's unbalanced turn lead and fold the river to the *initial* river bet. If Villain is actually balancing his turn lead then it's not 56 or 89 because that blocks Hero's 55, 66, 88 and 99 Villain wants to fold. Villain's most natural turn bluff is AcXc and his value is *better* than AK. When Villain bets river it's with a range that crushes QJs, he can just fold it to the initial bet as an exploit. Ofc, a solver will call but a solver is balanced, Villain is not.
Wow hero raises and calls it off. Holy moly.
There’s no world this villian has a worse hand
I played 1/2 in Vegas for 2 years and never saw a river bet 3 bet bluff haha
Giving anyone credit for 3-bet bluffing the river in a 1/2 game is just wishful thinking. I’m probably raising to about $550 on this river and snap folding to a 3-bet.
That’s probably the best play. 👍
Couldnt agree more
Should have just called the river. If it was a 6 club at end i like the raise.
definitely
Why balance against a guy “you want to play with”?
Is he good enough to know your strategy, formulate a counter strategy AND the balls to pull the trigger in game?
That’s a reasonably good player for 1/2 IMO.
I don’t know, I think just think you basically stick to exploiting the players tendencies, or the palyer pool’s tendencies, and fuck balance.
This guy seems to be leveling himself.
Pretty sure villain "wants to play with" the caller too
River is just a clear call
The 700 reraise is pointless. He’s almost never folding better and calling worse
He’s capable of bluffing when you’re getting three to one on a call??
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The Jam at the end is so rarely a bluff.
Seems like an easy fold, even if I have a strong Flush.
Yeah this would be a gross spot with A9cc or something. With QJcc it seems an obvious fold.
Man idk about the raise to 700, if we raise I prefer a small size like 400-500 max
No raise at all is much better.
@@EllieBanks333 right, or if raise, very small. It’s hard to just flat when going runner runner but it’s better than a raise to 700 that’s for sure
This is why i am afraid of raising for value on paired boards 🥶
K7 was already my vote for the most likely villain hand. It makes sense to limp-call with that hand (to the extent limping makes sense). It's also the sort of hand that would call flop and lead the turn, and then not fear the flush coming in at the end.
It's a backdoor flush, so that makes a bluff marginally more likely from the villain, but I just don't understand what value hero is expecting with the raise on the river. We're going to create tons of problems for ourselves on this river.
Pros are good at going thin for value, and recs are too passive, but i think a passive call on this river is in order.
They are never bluffing this at 1/2
that villain jam is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER a bluff in a 1/2 game.
Don't think this is a bluff but this isn't really a 1/2 game. With the match the stack, caller said it goes as deep as 10k. He has a 2/5 stack.
Sounds like if hero was in villian shoes he would be capable of bluffing.
Listened to this in the car earlier. I was thinking T7/K7 on the turn for villain. Just call river defo. Totally love the villains river play. Tbh he plays turn/river perfectly.
OOP turn bet just screams value and nut worst river for hero.
Turns can be shitty can’t they? Like turning a set really. Golden.
Hero forgets mid hand he’s playing 1-2 regardless how deep they are. No one is bet, 3b bluffing on the river ever
After the club draw comes in on the river, would a K-X hand even bet the river, or would he turn his hand into a bluff catcher? If a hand like K-Q or K-J isn't even betting the river, you're definitely not going to get called by those hands when you raise.
We've been getting alot of calls from KC. This is my home casino. I need to tighten up if more of these guys watch CLP lol
Tighten up? Good lord this is the guy you want to play against. Calling his whole stack off on a prayer and dream. Easy money.
This is a pure call on the first river bet. Raising is very strong and lowers the likelihood of you getting some value - I doubt he's putting you on a lot of bluffs. Sure, he'd probably - not always - call with a lower flush (T9/T8/98/65), or 7x (A7/97/87/76 suited) but I think Kx is a stretch - maybe KTs which now beats AK; even with more Kx calling I count at least 16 likely combos where he beats you (and those NEVER fold)....and that's ignoring T7/K7o/KK. There's thin value and then there's "wahfer thin".
I would have bet 75 otf to see how he reacts and 300 on the turn (repping AK+) and fold to a large c/r. As played I would have raised to 450 on the river and folded to the shove.
Yeah, these are about the right things to do to find out where you are at
Classic raise/fold scenario at these stakes.
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Snap call the $200 on the river. The raise is too thin. And if you're going to raise river (which I don't think you should) you have to fold to the jam because that is quite simply not a bluff nearly often enough
Actually maybe the raise isnt too thin. Its OK to raise but $700 is a bit too big imo.
When villain jams in this situation he expects to be called -- I just can't see it any other way. It's a fold (note, I haven't yet seen the reveal, lol).
This guy sounds like Danny Carey from TOOL.
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@@brendonenlow2056Hard agree. He is phenomenal.
I kinda knew this guy had K7 on the turn. Low stakes guys donking the turn after checking the flop - it's two pair.
Easy call. No other options are even viable. Can't fold. Can't raise. Strong calling hand.
Bet the flop... you want limped hands like KJ or KQ that limped to fold or some goofy Ax no pair with Ac.
Call the river don't raise. He could also have some goofy 7x hand. 10 combos of Axcc and very few other clubs.
Funny I thought 44 or K7s OTR.
Hero beats most 7x hands!
Yeah this seems a great hand to c-bet this flop with.
not sure why Bart thinks the villain, who is out of position would call a raise pre flop with 5,6 but completely rules out any 7 when it comes to the river bet.
7x won't bet the K turn for 4/5th pot... Special/weak players telegraph their hand strength based on bet sizing more often than not, give it a thought
If you assume you are never getting bluffed when villain 3bet shoves the river at 1/2 I think your folds will be printing and you might be wrong once every couple years.
“You know, you know, you know” Obviously the caller didn’t know… terrible call on the river
no one is 3betting bluff here at these super low stakes 😅😅
I would have just called the river, unless villian is just a maniac, there is no way he is value betting anything we can raise and get called by
Call all day, never raise, never fold
Re raise on river is so bad
8:23 “most of the overpairs at some frequency id check back”
Really? That seems way overthinking at low stakes.
Hoping to get a call from a weak king is crazy
The turn lead by villain smells of k-10 or k-7.
When the flush completes on the river and v leads again I HATE having to make a crying call. HATE it. Although I would.
Raising is asking to be kicked in the balls right after you've been punched in the nose.
And then calling v's all-in jam???
Are you kidding me?
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the way this is played villain if he has a boat is only losing to KK's, so i don't think 44's would ever hesitate to jam 44's. I don't understand what hero is talking about, this is still a $1/2 game, they're simply not very good. Hero is talking abut villain 3 bet bluffing the river. its just stupid
This might be one of the worst raise/calls on the River I’ve ever seen. Wow. ESPECIALLY at 1/2 and even 2/5.
The caller played this badly. The river is a square call & it is not close. Calling the jam after villains 2 minute tank was insane.
I knew it was either king 7 or pocket 4s. There’s nothing else it could be
77 or T7?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj not really bc 10 7 would bet the flop more than likely imo but yes maybe 10 7 sometimes it’s just king 7 and 44 made the most sense. 77 would probably just open the pot with a raise pre flop instead of just limping in.
@@sneakkyz3696hero was the preflop raiser. A lot of people will just autocheck the flop to the PFR when out of position, with a plan to check-raise their stronger hands (like top two pair).
And anyway, you said he can have 44. Why would T7 bet the flop and not 44?
77 would probably raise pre yeah.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj bc 77 doesn’t need as much protection as 10 7.
Nice video and breakdown Bart
Lol there is not bet 3 bet river bluffs at 1/2
The river is usually just a call but IMO Hero can exploit the Villain's unbalanced turn lead and fold the river to the *initial* river bet. If Villain is actually balancing his turn lead then it's not 56 or 89 because that blocks Hero's 55, 66, 88 and 99 Villain wants to fold. Villain's most natural turn bluff is AcXc and his value is *better* than AK. When Villain bets river it's with a range that crushes QJs, he can just fold it to the initial bet as an exploit. Ofc, a solver will call but a solver is balanced, Villain is not.
If you’re so convinced that V’s turn range is only two pair+ or Axcc, why not just fold turn then?
Both those hands have us crushed.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Hero can still make a flush and stack Villain's sets and two-pairs so the turn is a call.
Snap call.