It's Official: Trump Air Force One Livery Gets Scrapped By Biden Administration
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2022
- It's been about a year and a half since Biden took office as the United States' 46th President. With the inauguration taking place in the middle of a pandemic, the question of the future livery of the upcoming Air Force One was far from a priority. However, being held in suspense on this issue, there’s finally confirmation that the current administration will not be going with the dark blue paint scheme proposed by the previous president.
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I've always wondered why the Presidential planes were not red-white-blue.
Light colors such as white and cyan are better at reflecting nuclear flash.
Raymond Loewy's livery is truly iconic. There is no substitute.
Yeah. The colour scheme does define the country and what it represents. Clownery
The color scheme designed in the ear of JFK is iconic. It has been around longer than I have been alive and is known world-wide. But it also goes beyond the 747s. There are many jets painted in that same color scheme. For instance, when Bill Clinton was in office, he visited wild fire ravaged Idaho. I lived in the small community he visited. He took the 747 from D.C. to Boise, got on a small commuter type jet which was painted identically. So in theory, if the paint scheme is changed on one aircraft, all others would have to be painted to match, and apparently, there are a lot within the executive livery.
That was probably the vice-presidential plane, Boeing C-32 (modified 1998 B-757) aka 'Air Force Two'. This plane is usually used by the vice-president, sometimes by another important government figures like the secretary of state, and also by the president if the runway the president is landing on or taking off from can't support the 747. The 757 incidentally has excellent take-off characteristics for it's size. There is also a bunch of Gulfstream Jets and a B-737, but those aren't painted in the same paint scheme.
@@mariusdufour9186 It was a much smaller aircraft. The two jet engines were mounted at the rear of the fuselage. The McCall, ID runway is only 6,108ft.
@@jamiesuejeffery The USAF 89th Special Air Missions Wing, at Andrews AFB, outside Washington DC, which supports Executive Branch and Congressional travel, has a bunch of smaller aircraft than the two VC-25s (747-equivalents) -- several VC-32s (757-equivalents, which are used by Secretary of State Blinken and other Cabinet members and Congressmen and Senators on official travel) as well as even smaller aircraft right down to various models of Gulfstreams when larger aircraft are not required or need to use smaller runways/airfields. Now that the current B-747-200s (no longer used in passenger service by any airline in the world) are about to be replaced by the two new 747-8i jets, the Air Force's next project is soon going to have to be to look for replacements for the VC-32s (757s) which are also aging and increasingly difficult/costly to maintain and operate.
They're gonna be repainted someday anyway........
No other plane is painted the same as the two VC-25s. Similar, yes, but that sky blue is unique to them, as well as the polished aluminum portion just forward of the wing on the fuselage (which is very labor intensive to keep shiny). A dark color that low on the fuselage will have little to no effect on heat. If the rest of the fleet was to be painted the same scheme, it'd just be done next time the go in for repaint, which is quite regular. I'm not crazy about Trump's paint scheme but their excuses are pretty lame. Purely political
"if you're unaware, the current AF1 replacements are already over budget and behind schedule".
I'm sure that surprises no one.
When Trump's involved, someone always gets screwed. Boeing took a huge financial loss on this one, IIRC, due to it running behind schedule, but then again, they got so many gov't contracts in the past that I am sure they made money hand over fist and fleecing American taxpayers six ways from Sunday.
@@SayAhh TY
Yeah because Biden took over lol
Should Trump get back into office I’m sure he’ll change the color scheme back. Biden was being petty with this pain move
@@NarasimhaDiyasena if Trump were to get back into the White House, and threw a temper tantrum that he didn't get his wish to change AF1 paint scheme, you want to talk about PETTY? THAT IS 1000%the definition of PETTY!
Another problem with changing the livery is that it may have resulted in re-painting a lot of other aircraft in the executive fleet. Like the VC-32 that the VP uses
That’s not such a big issue as paint is a maintenance item for aircraft so the airforce could just wait for the maintenance cycle to come up and repaint it
Well, it does mean they don't have to buy in a lot of the new colours, They can use the remaing US paints in stock.
@@PiperStart No, the USAF doesn't keep large stocks of JFK blues anyway. And they wouldn't use dated stocks on a new Air Force One even if they did. Using up existing stocks was common in wartime military planes, but airlines are quick to change schemes significantly rather than use up old paint to save money.
another consideration would be, this plane is the most 'important' in the world. it is a vital airforce asset that must use every trick in the book to minimize being a target.
apparently, a blue so dark it looks black would light that plane up on the IR range.
something you dont want with IR missiles potentially aimed at you.
Who cares? It’s only tax dollars. Joe could care less. Rename it Air Head One.
Whether it's painted in traditional Air Force One livery, or in a used TWA paint scheme, the 747 is an amazing and beautiful plane.
i thought it was harkening back to the trump shuttle an airline he used to own.
Maybe that's why I like it so much; it's just missing the globes.
I liked the "Trump-livery" but the old livery is such a classic and instantly recognisable. It is fine that they changed it as far as I'm concerned.
The raymond loewy design is classic, dynamic and speaks of virtue extending beyond tub thumping nationalism. A bigger flag and a cheater band looked cheap and ironically more dated than the 60yr old design. Looked like late TWA livery.
Cheap and more dated - like the man who proposed the design!
Daron Skymarks, Herpa Wings, Revell, and other model airplane makers: "Welp, guess we have to release newer Air Force One models."
Keep the older design on all the other government used planes, BUT the new design is AWESOME!!!
"Darker colors could contribute to excessive temperatures..."
Air New Zealand: "👁️👄👁️"
Royal Jordanian 💀
Lol yer not exactly a smart argument when there airlines with fully black planes
Its political and there trying to make an excuse. I think if they just came out and said look its airforce one those colour were pick by Jackie Kennedy we are keeping them would have been more of the truth
I was reading something in their in-flight magazine about this when they were first introducing that paint scheme - that they had to take excessive temperatures into account. Though in that case, they were talking about stresses on the skin of the plane, and not so much about sensitive components - but then again, commercial airliners don't have much in the way of IR type sensors ...
Was thinking of trumps 757 in black all over that must be hot!
I'm guessing it refers to some of the classified tech that will be onboard.
I genuinely thought either design would’ve looked beautiful. I really dig the new proposed livery because for me, it just fits a modern era and looks refreshed. But I also love the classic livery because it reminds me of the golden age of travel. Subtracting politics aside, both are very beautiful.
Trump just did a remash of his own airline, and copied TWA along the way
P.S. Look at the livery of some older UNITED AIRLINES jets. The new color scheme looked really similar to it. While the new colors were nice, there was no mistaking the colors of Air Force One.
I thought it resembled US Airways
I'm happy that the USAF is keeping the original paint scheme.
They aren’t though
So happy they are keeping the Loewy design. It is iconic and known the world over. This livery has survived decades of Presidents.
The only choice is the existing Loewy livery. It's a classic as timeless as the 747 is the Queen of the Sky. Always was, always will be. Leave the livery alone.
American Airlines had it right all along: MIRROR POLISHED BRILLIANT ALUMINUM SURFACE!!!
Thank goodness. Tradition matters. The Jackie Onassis livery has class too.
Nothing can ever replace that iconic "jackie blue" AF1 paint scheme.
Since these planes likely won’t be delivered until after the next Presidential election, the livery might change yet again.
The iconic livery on the VC-25, aka Air Force 1, sends a powerful message everywhere in the world where it lands.
I think that the old livery is a classic that should not be changed
I've always enjoyed the original Raymond Leowy paint scheme. Remember seeing the Boeing 707 AF1 as a kid. It had an important Air Forcy look to it.
Stay with a classic! It wasn’t broke..don’t fix it.
Thank goodness
"Camelot" has passed, it has been replaced by zealots, jesters and charlatans. Its time that the AF1 looks more like our national colors "Star Spangled Banner" and less like a chiffon dress. Most people today don't even know who Loewy is. (*Avanti-Senic-Cruiser Streamliner etc) born in France, naturalized retired and returned to France and buried there as well, and his foundation is in Germany. Time to move on. I could give a rip if it is what 45 wanted it to look like but it needs a re-fresh!!
Say what you want about Trump, however the livery he proposed is actually really nice and I understand him saying it’s appropriate for the presidential aircraft to wear the nation’s colors. Still, some of me is very happy the are not going to change it just because of how iconic the current livery is.
He wanted to copy his former Trump Shuttle livery
Trump design sucked. Looked like a Commercial Jet. Generic.
@@seagullsbtn look up Trump Shuttle. He nearly copied the entire design. He wanted Air Force One to be branded to his name
@@seagullsbtn you're just a democrat
@@Andrew54123
Except Trump jet doesn't have blue lmao.
The only thing in common really is the red cheatline.
This is what I was hoping to hear. The need to have red, white, and blue everything is too on the nose design-wise. After a certain point just choosing flag colors gets tacky and uninspired. The classic blue-on-blue has managed to become traditional and timeless, and I hope it sticks around down the line.
3 colours is too much?
@@Bob-fk8vd personally I liked the new design. The problem, in my book, is what/who it symbolized.
Thank God the classic still stays!
Good. The livery is history and there was no need to change it due to one man’s ego
Thank God!!! Raymond Loewy presented Jackie Kennedy with a few options for the livery, Jackie picked the historic livery, and what a classic.
Trump's design looked a lot like Trump's private jet.
Def better to keep the original after all we don't want to rem anything to do with the madman!
Good even though i kinda liked the new livery some things shouldn't be changed.
I am very happy that they will not be changing the colors.
Trump design my look nice but it closely resembles a commercial airline then Air Force One. I'm glad they are sticking to the original design.
nyc1164, não vi em nenhum local, que vão manter como está, só vi que não querem o que o Trump decidiu.
The historic livery was essentially a branding for the US. There was no need to deviate from it. Glad they made the right decision to go with the tried and true.
I’m not you sure know this, based on your comment but the US doesn’t need “branding” but if it did, using a style that’s 60 years old is not how successful branding works. Every well known brand does regular branding changes from the more subtle McDonalds with their catch phrase changes and store remodels to more obvious rebranding efforts such as Harley-Davidson. Show me one airline that doesn’t regularly change their livery as they change marketing plans of new product offerings. If branding is important then you should want a new livery, frankly anyone who doesn’t is probably not very brand savvy to begin with.
no, the new livery was better because it has the colours of the flag in it, who want's a design that harks back to the JFK days - unless you're a democrat
@@soilentgreen7 Trump isn't here anymore so there is no reason to waste money on projects that do not help with anything.
@@grigandy ironic
Lmao no, this was Biden admin being petty and pathetic like they are in everything else they do. The new livery was not only a classic but it also made more sense with the American color scheme. Because of program delays I’m sure that should Trump get back into office he will have the chance to change it back.
45's design looks like a standard business jet, not bad but not great. The classic design is an American icon that's timeless
0:20: Turquoise with red stripe? Where did you find that?
The Trump-livery is more likely to be his actual plane livery inversed...
Yup. That's why trump wants those colors..because its the same design as his own plane.
Trump's design looks like a cross of Trump Airlines and a postal truck.
The baby blue is iconic
As someone who has seen Air Force One several times, I guarantee that the current fame of Air Force One wouldn't be possible with another livery (at least not in the short term).
It's like changing the American flag. Sure, it can be done; but, people around the world will not recognize it as easily as the current flag (in the short term).
looks like british airways lol
“Recognized all over the world” by who? Says who? Has there been a survey on this question? What’s the population of the respondents?
UGH THANK GOD!
I think Boeing is kinda lame for this. The new paint job would’ve looked amazing, but they’re super bad with money and “it’ll get hot”
The belly is Navy Blue... how does the color make it too hot unless the plane is flying above the sun?
Yesssss!!! I couldn't bear we won't have no shiny aluminium!!
I'm actually glad. Love the iconic AF1 livery.
a paint color does not heat up because the color It's not the SR71
Yes
The light blue blends into the sky and makes it hard to see to shoot down. The dark blue makes it stand out for miles.
Iv often wondered about th color of that plane bein harder or easier to spot in th sky
Missiles don’t target based on the visual spectrum.
"A recent Air Force study concluded that the darker colors of the proposed livery could contribute to excessive temperature on the aircraft." Really?! They need to call Delta and urge the airline to change the paint color of the aircraft belly.
Pretty sure Delta aircraft don't have anything like the top secret electronics and defense systems that AF-1 has.
@@lindasherman9921 But the sun still does not shine from that direction.
😅👍🏼
@@lindasherman9921 Delta's aircraft are only dark on the very bottom, not half the plane. Delta's darker color is not exposed to direct sunlight
Do you really think any Delta airplane is anything like Air Force One?
I rather think that your comment is as shallow as your comparisson...
The current livery was designed by industrial designer Raymond Loewy (Studebaker Avanti, Greyhound Scenicruiser bus, coke bottle shape, railroad locomotives) in coordination with First Lady Jackie Kennedy. In honor of both, it's historically appropriate not to change.
I like the old paint scheme. Makes it known only as air force one. A very beautiful aircraft.
Thank god it was a straight up copy from his own jet with him thinking it was going to be his not the US
Trumps Plaine is completely black I believe with a red stripe
That's exactly what I though and I'm sure Trump was thinking the same thing. Hopefully they can paint his jail cell in his colors instead.
@@michaelcrossley4716 Yeah, red, white and blue are certainly not the colors of the current administration.
@@michaelcrossley4716
Trump's going to jail on the same day Boeing actually comes out with their NMA lmao.
I didn't like the livery change in the first place, but I honestly could not less at this moment in time about it. I'm just frustrated about the program delays, and want to see it finished and delivered already. If we start to hear that it's half a year away and just finishing up last touches, then we can talk about livery. For all we know, trump might get himself back in office in 2024, and revert back to his livery again
I'm not a fan of 45 and even though it's a blatant upside down copy of the Trump Airlines livery i liked it.
The only argument they should have stuck to was that it was cancelled due to cost overruns. The paint temperature argument sounds like a weak excuse.
There already will be a lot of heat generated inside due to all of the electrical components. You are also underestimating the total surface area that the paint will would cover.
Great choice..........Can't wait to see it !
I always assumed the Loewy scheme was designed to be less visible from below/ blend in with the sky. The Trump suggested scheme would stick out like a sore thumb.
In the same way that Trump himself will stick out like a sore thumb in American history.
@@AndrewLumsden True, true!
You are absolutely correct. There were security concerns at play when the classic livery was designed generations ago.
@@AndrewLumsden Nice. 😄
@@andrewday3206 No, the darker the color the less visible. Darker colors don’t show up on radar as much. Seeing the plane from below doesn’t pose a risk as radar is how you see planes now vision
I'm no Trump or Biden supporter but not gonna lie, the new design looks FRESH
Trump-livery is not bad, but it has a generic look and resembles more of a typical passenger airliner. Some things like the current iconic design of Air Force One is better off left alone.
Exactly the US should be distinct and show a sign of boldness to the world.
Ah damn, I actually liked the new livery. I guess the OG one is fine too but I am glad that I got my Air Force One model in that livery! Its going to be super rare now lol!
Yeah , everyone will want the grifters colours =-p
My Uncle has his AFO.
@@gutinstinct4067 That´s Trump´s pipe dream!
I am glad about this
While it is designated for the President, it is still an Air Force plane that's why it has USAF colors. Also USAF could use several DV planes for decoy.
Marine One also has USMC colors.
I think its time for a new livery but let it be up to the America people have design competition.
The classic design is just that: Classic! I didn't hate Trump's (rather staid to be fair) design, but AF1 just has to look like AF1
Normally I prefer darker blues, but in this case it sometimes would have looked black, and not being able to tell what color was intended is often more concerning than the choice of color itself.
The Trump livery is good but to like BA for it to be effective. The current Loewy based design is iconic even though, personally, I don't like the shades of blue used. Get a current designer to produce a 21st Century livery.
I'm actually glad that the Biden administration scraped the paint design. I think the original paint design is really iconic with the president. Plus a lot of people always identify the JFK paint design with the president of the United States
It's hideous the Trump design would have brought life to the aircraft and a patriotic touch to go with it.
I love the baby blue livery. Please don't change it.
Surprised they didn't change it to a rainbow.
good, I like the classic blue and white livery
He wanted it to look like his own plane....that seems obvious
Thank god. That dark design is ugly as sin. Leave it alone. It's timeless.
Honestly I don't like Trump but damn I think that livery looks a million times better than the blue one
I do think the Trump one looks: more American
Clad aluminum doesn't require paint, the shiny silver birds reflect heat and light.
It’s good because if they keep the old livery it Carrie’s on the Colour
Glad they’re preserving the classic livery.
I'll quote the former First Lady, "I don't care, do you?"
I didn't like the dark blue when it was first announced, but it has grown on me. The current scheme is iconic, but I think going red, white, and blue is a great change. Hopefully the next president reverts it once Biden is out of office.
oh thank god
I’m not gonna lie… I do like the proposed design, but there is no way I’d be ok with changing what is now a part of American history.
Just seems a little petty!
Yes. Keep the original design of air force one
Trump's livery looks like British Airways!
Trumps livery is USA Flag colors. Very patriotic pick, the colors it should have been to begin with.
@@khurramshahzad1924 agreed
@@khurramshahzad1924 You don't really understand patriotism do you?
@@khurramshahzad1924 Why is that even relevant?
@@khurramshahzad1924 29 countries use red, white and blue as their flag colours? Its really not unique to the US.
The design going b all lgbtq community colors
Personally, I liked the Trump livery. It looks classy. The Kennedy era livery, while exciting in 1962, is rather boring now.
I am retired and have no inside knowledge of what is going on with this program. However, the dark paint might be a nuclear hardness qualification issue. The paint on hardened aircraft such as AF1 is expected to ablate away in case of a nearby nuclear detonation, thus exposing the white heat reflecting primer underneath. I don't recall the dark blue being used on hardened aircraft in the past. It may have run into some sort of issue during the ablation testing.
Trumps design looked a whole lot better in my opinion
Tfg's livery was too close to the flag of the Russian Federation.
It should of never been changed in the first place.
The old color scheme is iconic and looks nice and I really think it does not need to be changed.
THANK GOD! The current livery is iconic!
Im glad they scrapped Trumps Livery. I feel like he had no right to change the livery.
Hes the president he had every right to change it. No disrespect ment in this reply
@@JOHNSMITH-Figment he may have had the power to change it, but no, he did not have the right to change it.
@@JOHNSMITH-Figment I feel like we should make a new rule. presidents who don't win the popular vote don't get to change iconic symbols of America
I'm happy they changed it
i think its good they arent going with the trump shuttle livery his airline used to be painted in. that was just too ham fisted for me. like seriously dropping the jfk time honored livery for his old arline colors like dam.
This can't really be a political issue, as mentioned, this design originally from former president JFK, if former president Trump wanted it to go through, both sides couldn't be too upset about it.
YAY
Not only is the Lowery design historic (Jackie Kennedy's design input and JFK's approval), but it is a design that represents importance without appearing political or invasive. It says, "I come in peace." That is essential when visiting other countries.
“the Air Force One replacement program is already behind schedule and over budget”.
Hmm, sounds like a government project. But they’ll figure it out and the end product will be cool.
Good decision. The whole world noes this livery. Its connected to AF1.
The other had also "by accident" a great likeness with Trump's previous own airplanes.
No need to be reminded in his administration period all the time.
The livery should be administration independent. Keeping the old one is doing exactly that.