thanks to both of you for this conversation. I work with the Milwaukee Zen Center in its Prison Meditation Program. I serve four prison Sangha. We have had a number of brothers come into our group, and many have take precepts. But the issues you raise are there for all. deep bows of Gratitude. ko shin If i ever find a way to down or up load this video I will show it to my Sangha.
Beautifully said. I have a relatively unique experience of being white but in many ways culturally not white. Detroit 60s-70s. The trauma so eloquently discussed I sit with. Never white never black. I have a difficult time speaking about race and racial violence in my sangha because I'm afraid to share my experience and witness it being filtered through their lenses, and becoming uncomfortable with my disconnection. Thank you. Yudo
Around 1990 while an undergrad, had no idea what "lion's roar" meant, in "light" as I walked into the library I heard a faint roar, then I was just browsing the Encyclopedia of Philosophy accidentally noticed the article, "the Buddha roars the lion's roar" in the assembly of beings.
this is such a fine dialogue, thank you for sharing it. so important for all sanghas.... in particular the words that have "escaped" the conversations and practices, the hegemony of conditions which create and sustain this trauma of "whiteness", among other conditions. An astonishing concept, "spiritual domestic work" and the importance of the basic educational work yet to be done. Not your job indeed. thank you for that, Angel. Deep bow. ~ The Trauma Project
Rev. Kyodo: I believe, in large part, that the reason people approach you in a more familiar way than other teachers is due to your authentic voice. The vast vast majority of people who sit and talk feel a deep-rooted need to sell their authority: a little "acting" like a teacher, which, in turn, creates a barrier. You own your voice and your right to be heard without the need to be anybody other than who you are. It is also true that generally white people are more prone to putting on airs to signal authority.
The dharma would deal with racism starting with its root causes. While most the movement against racism were and are necessarily legal and structural. And in some ways culturally thru music and entertainment. But its not enough. We must know that this race problem needs transformative change from doing the inner work. By becoming human beings liberated from the root causes of racism and violence.
Wow, this was around the time I lived in Boston like Lama Rod. Boston is a very difficult town for PoC. White people are very interesting. Probably now since everything that has been going on maybe they are more willing to admit the racial tension there and in the country in general, but back then, forget about it. As a PoC you just felt invisible and/or only seen when you felt the micro aggressions coming from white folks.
Hi Vic, You and Lama Rod may now enter the Hall of Champions. Boston is perhaps one of the most racialized, segregated, stunningly beautiful cities on the East Coast. It is the jewel in New England's crown. Not my first pick for POC, for the intrepid it is unforgettable. I lived and worked there as a nurse from 1981-1998, long before I found the path to meditation. When you arrive in Boston to live not to visit, eventually you cross ancient ethnic, and class lay lines of conflicts dating back before the Colonial period. The Puritans, vs the Irish, vs Italians, vs the who else you got. Remember that scene at the end of the first Jurassic Park movie, the T-Rex fighting the Falasa Raptor allowing the humans to escape? Good Times
✋You can call this Buddhism but this is far too worldly to have anything to do with the Buddha's teaching. I feel this dialogue has more to do with Mein Kampf than with the Dharma. Shame on whoever is behind Lions Roar's propaganda.
🖕💚🖕What lens do you navigate through? HOW ABOUT THE LENS OF THE PATH OF NO LENS, THE DHAMMA?? There is no lens! That's at the core of the Dharma! Lions Roar knows this in theory but they can't seem to practice it. Why? Seriously, why???
holy shit dude. You are a white man, you benefit from systemic oppression. Shut the fuck up. Time to update the Dharma to our times. Yes there is no lens at the core of it all. But not talking about there BEING a lens that is different to PoC and white people, is equal to bypassing.
@@vegamusician I am not a white man. Have you ever been homeless fo= over 20 years? I am responsible for my own adversity although the welfare state in California did nothing but disinsentivise me. Why is it important to you to mention who is this color or that color? Is adversity a bad or good teacher? Nobody starves in California. If we all have enough to survive then what makes us not equal? There is no way the peaceful & content poor person could give that wellbeing asset to the fat, destracted, agitated, stressed and overworked wealthy person? It can't be taxed that way. People going through adversity is what the dhamma is for . It's unfortunate that your average billionaire would probably be too distracted to seek the dhamma. That is adversity right there.
The dharma would deal with racism starting with its root causes. While most the movement against racism were and are necessarily legal and structural. And in some ways culturally thru music and entertainment. But its not enough. We must know that this race problem needs transformative change from doing the inner work. By becoming human beings liberated from the root causes of racism and violence.
thanks to both of you for this conversation. I work with the Milwaukee Zen Center in its Prison Meditation Program. I serve four prison Sangha. We have had a number of brothers come into our group, and many have take precepts. But the issues you raise are there for all. deep bows of Gratitude. ko shin If i ever find a way to down or up load this video I will show it to my Sangha.
Beautifully said. I have a relatively unique experience of being white but in many ways culturally not white. Detroit 60s-70s. The trauma so eloquently discussed I sit with. Never white never black. I have a difficult time speaking about race and racial violence in my sangha because I'm afraid to share my experience and witness it being filtered through their lenses, and becoming uncomfortable with my disconnection. Thank you. Yudo
Around 1990 while an undergrad, had no idea what "lion's roar" meant, in "light" as I walked into the library I heard a faint roar, then I was just browsing the Encyclopedia of Philosophy accidentally noticed the article, "the Buddha roars the lion's roar" in the assembly of beings.
this is such a fine dialogue, thank you for sharing it. so important for all sanghas.... in particular the words that have "escaped" the conversations and practices, the hegemony of conditions which create and sustain this trauma of "whiteness", among other conditions. An astonishing concept, "spiritual domestic work" and the importance of the basic educational work yet to be done. Not your job indeed.
thank you for that, Angel. Deep bow. ~ The Trauma Project
Rev. Kyodo: I believe, in large part, that the reason people approach you in a more familiar way than other teachers is due to your authentic voice. The vast vast majority of people who sit and talk feel a deep-rooted need to sell their authority: a little "acting" like a teacher, which, in turn, creates a barrier. You own your voice and your right to be heard without the need to be anybody other than who you are. It is also true that generally white people are more prone to putting on airs to signal authority.
The dharma would deal with racism starting with its root causes. While most the movement against racism were and are necessarily legal and structural. And in some ways culturally thru music and entertainment. But its not enough. We must know that this race problem needs transformative change from doing the inner work. By becoming human beings liberated from the root causes of racism and violence.
Wow, this was around the time I lived in Boston like Lama Rod. Boston is a very difficult town for PoC. White people are very interesting. Probably now since everything that has been going on maybe they are more willing to admit the racial tension there and in the country in general, but back then, forget about it. As a PoC you just felt invisible and/or only seen when you felt the micro aggressions coming from white folks.
Hi Vic, You and Lama Rod may now enter the Hall of Champions. Boston is perhaps one of the most racialized, segregated, stunningly beautiful cities on the East Coast. It is the jewel in New England's crown. Not my first pick for POC, for the intrepid it is unforgettable. I lived and worked there as a nurse from 1981-1998, long before I found the path to meditation. When you arrive in Boston to live not to visit, eventually you cross ancient ethnic, and class lay lines of conflicts dating back before the Colonial period. The Puritans, vs the Irish, vs Italians, vs the who else you got. Remember that scene at the end of the first Jurassic Park movie, the T-Rex fighting the Falasa Raptor allowing the humans to escape? Good Times
✋You can call this Buddhism but this is far too worldly to have anything to do with the Buddha's teaching. I feel this dialogue has more to do with Mein Kampf than with the Dharma. Shame on whoever is behind Lions Roar's propaganda.
Call it worldly when your people are being killed
🖕💚🖕What lens do you navigate through? HOW ABOUT THE LENS OF THE PATH OF NO LENS, THE DHAMMA?? There is no lens! That's at the core of the Dharma! Lions Roar knows this in theory but they can't seem to practice it. Why? Seriously, why???
holy shit dude. You are a white man, you benefit from systemic oppression. Shut the fuck up. Time to update the Dharma to our times. Yes there is no lens at the core of it all. But not talking about there BEING a lens that is different to PoC and white people, is equal to bypassing.
@@vegamusician I am not a white man. Have you ever been homeless fo= over 20 years? I am responsible for my own adversity although the welfare state in California did nothing but disinsentivise me.
Why is it important to you to mention who is this color or that color?
Is adversity a bad or good teacher?
Nobody starves in California. If we all have enough to survive then what makes us not equal? There is no way the peaceful & content poor person could give that wellbeing asset to the fat, destracted, agitated, stressed and overworked wealthy person? It can't be taxed that way.
People going through adversity is what the dhamma is for .
It's unfortunate that your average billionaire would probably be too distracted to seek the dhamma. That is adversity right there.
The dharma would deal with racism starting with its root causes. While most the movement against racism were and are necessarily legal and structural. And in some ways culturally thru music and entertainment. But its not enough. We must know that this race problem needs transformative change from doing the inner work. By becoming human beings liberated from the root causes of racism and violence.