Thank you for the demo! What a nice and interesting bunch of faders! The DIY part is also intriguing. Maybe it could be made to work with my Zynthian over I2C to leave the USB for the PC...
You're welcome! And it is indeed :) Unfortunately I don't have any I2C capable modules, so couldn't work much with that, but sounds like interesting plans!
Nice presentation as always on your channel! As you can control via MIDI CCs I wonder if you could use it also the other way round to convert incoming MIDI CCs to CV with this fader box?
Thanks! You can use the sliders to control CV and Midi, but not the other way around. So it's not a 16 channel midi to CV converter. Although that would be nice indeed :)
Hi Monotrail, just joined the patreon, your videos are awesome. just bought the faderbank today because of this video :)) do you ever use the 16n editor ?
Thanks for this overview; it's strange that this hasn't received more attention as it seems to do a specific set of things that no other controller does in quite the same way so concisely. I just ordered a secondhand unit from my local dealer here in Australia and looking forward to exploring what it can do. (Are you still using it as a regular part of your setup?)
Would you require a midi breakout like the CVM8 from expert sleepers in order to connect to to the Disting EX? It's not super clear how that connection is made, could you clarify? Very inspiring stuff!
Not midi, I am talking about the I2C port. So you should be able to use that single jack out from the fader bank to the EX. But I have to admit I don't have any of those devices, so I could not test it myself. Make sure to check the manual for the EX if you want to know more details.
I prefer Voltage Block - choice to play static voltages (make the sequencer 1 step), with the option to sequence voltages. The big faders and 10 volt range seem incredibly handy, though.
I think they actually updated the device, so now it could be possible. It would be nice to recieve MIDI because then you can use it as a midi to cv converter, and send values from a DAW to your modular for example :) EDIT: After clarifaction from the maker: The module is updated so it can send midi data at its midi output, recieved via the usb. The slider outputs are fully analog, so it's not a midi to cv converter! But you can use it to forward midi data to digital modules.
This video made me buy the controller and it solved a lot of problems for me. It's great to have so many OFFSETs available :) Thanks. Just one question: using passive stackable cables, is it possible to lose voltage? I am not speaking in the case of tracking for a VCO (because perhaps I would not use it) but I am speaking of normal voltages routed towards different vc (for example vca, filters). In that case it would be useful to change the voltage to 10volts and attenuate it in some way or would it be fine even 5 volts? Hope the question is clear, thanks again for your great videos.
Hey, glad to hear it! Im afraid im not sure if there is an internal way of buffering in the 16n Rework, don't have the tools to test it atm. In general if you mult voltages with a stackable indeed you loose a bit of strength. In practice though, unles you use it for melodies like you said, its not a problem at all, the loss is pretty small.
@@MonotrailTechTalktrue, but fader PLUS a few buttons won't hurt either! also would be great to see a v2 one day with multiple pages/groups, which would open up another dimension. and a v3 with displays per fader )) like FaderFox EC4. but even in its current state, 16n is unrivalled. (can't help but wonder why there's nothing else like it. a testament to the creativity of the community and DIY scene, it wasn't even a commercial project in the beginning)
This seems to be useful in such incredible ways. It would be perfect to use 3 or 4 of the faders for bringing different guitar pedals into a soundscape. I love the hands-on approach of this too. I haven't seen it in any stores, how did you purchase yours?
I'm lucky enough to live in Berlin, close to the friendly guy who builds these. There are only small batches, available as DIY, or assambled through schneidersladen, here in Berlin: atovproject.de/dealers
worth adding there's also a Michigan Synth Works version (not really compatible with 16n but derived from it), sold via their website. it has a more handy 0-5/0-10/-5+5v individual switches on the faceplate. and of course the Sweet16 modules. the 16n project's been around for years, so it's all well developed. + incredible controller, great video too.
Hey! It's mostly a tool that creates posibilities when it comes to how you jam or perform. So it comes down to if you think you would use it in the studio, or it would create new possibilities for you when performing. I think thats not so much related to the genre ;) All the best!
I guess the sheer amount of choices and options is one of the eurorack curses :) We'll have to live with it I guess, this is not mixing though, so I bet you'll find good use for all of it ;)
@@MonotrailTechTalk yeah I understand that this isn't mixing but could be and so much more 😁 but yeah no regrets with the mixer cos it was what I needed. this just would be that and so much nore
This is one of your most helpful videos yet! Definitely keeping this module on a wishlist!
Glad to hear you liked it! Thanks :)
Excellent demonstration and presentation my friend
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching :)
Thank you for the demo!
What a nice and interesting bunch of faders! The DIY part is also intriguing.
Maybe it could be made to work with my Zynthian over I2C to leave the USB for the PC...
You're welcome! And it is indeed :) Unfortunately I don't have any I2C capable modules, so couldn't work much with that, but sounds like interesting plans!
Great video, have the Sweet Sixteen mk2 by Tesseract Modular - handy keeping this functionality in the case.
Thanks! And interesting module as well, enjoy!
Hey curious to know what you think of the sweet sixteen, do you still have it ?
I'm eyeballing these two fadersbanks 👀
Yup, ordered after watching.
Cheers, have fun with it! :)
Nice presentation as always on your channel!
As you can control via MIDI CCs I wonder if you could use it also the other way round to convert incoming MIDI CCs to CV with this fader box?
Thanks! You can use the sliders to control CV and Midi, but not the other way around. So it's not a 16 channel midi to CV converter. Although that would be nice indeed :)
Excellent
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi Monotrail, just joined the patreon, your videos are awesome. just bought the faderbank today because of this video :)) do you ever use the 16n editor ?
Thank you so much! That's lovely to hear! And yes, used it a few times to setup the midi configuration. But mostly just use it with the modular.
Thanks for this overview; it's strange that this hasn't received more attention as it seems to do a specific set of things that no other controller does in quite the same way so concisely. I just ordered a secondhand unit from my local dealer here in Australia and looking forward to exploring what it can do. (Are you still using it as a regular part of your setup?)
Agree! It's a very clean but useful tool. Still have mine for sure, it's more a part of the studio now than the live set though :)
Would you require a midi breakout like the CVM8 from expert sleepers in order to connect to to the Disting EX? It's not super clear how that connection is made, could you clarify? Very inspiring stuff!
Not midi, I am talking about the I2C port. So you should be able to use that single jack out from the fader bank to the EX. But I have to admit I don't have any of those devices, so I could not test it myself. Make sure to check the manual for the EX if you want to know more details.
Good video, cool ideas!
Glad you like them! Cheers!
I prefer Voltage Block - choice to play static voltages (make the sequencer 1 step), with the option to sequence voltages. The big faders and 10 volt range seem incredibly handy, though.
Voltage block is great as well! Sliders are just fun sometimes :)
Just got a 16n from THONK UK : > - this should work great with my ADDAC306 VC transitions
Hey, nice to hear! Sounds like an interesting combo indeed, enjoy!
thank you for the video, but 1 question, why should it receive midi through usb? (1:50)
I think they actually updated the device, so now it could be possible. It would be nice to recieve MIDI because then you can use it as a midi to cv converter, and send values from a DAW to your modular for example :)
EDIT: After clarifaction from the maker: The module is updated so it can send midi data at its midi output, recieved via the usb. The slider outputs are fully analog, so it's not a midi to cv converter! But you can use it to forward midi data to digital modules.
@@MonotrailTechTalk oh,i see! Thanks!
Great demo! Are there any sync/clock concerns when simultaneously using cv/midi/vst ?
Thanks! And not that I noticed, everything worked solid :)
This video made me buy the controller and it solved a lot of problems for me. It's great to have so many OFFSETs available :) Thanks. Just one question: using passive stackable cables, is it possible to lose voltage? I am not speaking in the case of tracking for a VCO (because perhaps I would not use it) but I am speaking of normal voltages routed towards different vc (for example vca, filters). In that case it would be useful to change the voltage to 10volts and attenuate it in some way or would it be fine even 5 volts? Hope the question is clear, thanks again for your great videos.
Hey, glad to hear it! Im afraid im not sure if there is an internal way of buffering in the 16n Rework, don't have the tools to test it atm. In general if you mult voltages with a stackable indeed you loose a bit of strength. In practice though, unles you use it for melodies like you said, its not a problem at all, the loss is pretty small.
Would love for it to have modular inputs and act as VCAs for this inputs. I have a lot of modulation sources to tame 😅
That would require very different circuitry. But more VCAs are always good I guess :)
id wish they made one with just 8 nicely spaced knobs.
Haha, knobs are everywhere already! I think the faders make it interesting for performances, you can work multiple at the ssme time :)
@@MonotrailTechTalktrue, but fader PLUS a few buttons won't hurt either! also would be great to see a v2 one day with multiple pages/groups, which would open up another dimension. and a v3 with displays per fader )) like FaderFox EC4. but even in its current state, 16n is unrivalled.
(can't help but wonder why there's nothing else like it. a testament to the creativity of the community and DIY scene, it wasn't even a commercial project in the beginning)
This seems to be useful in such incredible ways. It would be perfect to use 3 or 4 of the faders for bringing different guitar pedals into a soundscape.
I love the hands-on approach of this too. I haven't seen it in any stores, how did you purchase yours?
I'm lucky enough to live in Berlin, close to the friendly guy who builds these. There are only small batches, available as DIY, or assambled through schneidersladen, here in Berlin: atovproject.de/dealers
schneidersladen.de/de/atovproject/
@@MonotrailTechTalk Thank you-👾
worth adding there's also a Michigan Synth Works version (not really compatible with 16n but derived from it), sold via their website. it has a more handy 0-5/0-10/-5+5v individual switches on the faceplate. and of course the Sweet16 modules. the 16n project's been around for years, so it's all well developed. + incredible controller, great video too.
would you recommend this for Eurorack Dark Ambient?
Hey! It's mostly a tool that creates posibilities when it comes to how you jam or perform. So it comes down to if you think you would use it in the studio, or it would create new possibilities for you when performing. I think thats not so much related to the genre ;) All the best!
8:18 Yes it _is_ so satisfying with a *big knob.*
I suggest more manufactures use them :) I need them...
i just bought an 8 channel mixer module to do pretty much one third of this 🤦♂️
I guess the sheer amount of choices and options is one of the eurorack curses :) We'll have to live with it I guess, this is not mixing though, so I bet you'll find good use for all of it ;)
@@MonotrailTechTalk yeah I understand that this isn't mixing but could be and so much more 😁
but yeah no regrets with the mixer cos it was what I needed. this just would be that and so much nore