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My third board was DIY and I doubt I’ll ever go back to prebuilt . Bring on the diy content.
Awesome to see you moving over to more DIY content! Something to note is that the settings on your DIY are probably way more aggressive than what most companies are comfortable giving their clients. The unfortunate thing about being a company in this space is that you have to hedge against lawsuits and injuries in a way you don't normally need to do as a private builder. It's super easy to change the throttle deadband and speed ramp in VESC, and it's a super useful skill to have. I'll have to show you sometime!
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I fuq’n love your videos. I love your passion. I love your commitment to ESk8 in general…!!!
Paul here I in Michigan, I want the first board you were riding. I like the wheels option, the only problem is I'm old and I'm poor. I have a social security budget!!!😢
Delay you’re seeing is due to the Hoyt puck, not the vesc settings. Hoyt just finally released a new firmware to remove the baked in throttle curve. I’ve heard that it helps a ton to make it more linear.
One thing you can try, not a 100% on this as I haven’t tried it myself, is take your current puck and put it in left hand mode (hold R button) and then just turn the remote around in your hand to use it in your right hand. From what I’ve read, for whatever reason the left hand mode has less of the throttle curve.
Or you can update the firmware on the puck and see what you think. So far it seems people are really liking the new firmware with a faster throttle curve.
I’ve moved to trigger remotes so don’t have a running puck right now to try it with.
My understanding is the thing with the puck until recently was smoothing the left hand braking via firmware originally forced right hand acceleration to be weaker, they’ve addressed the throttle curve or whatever it was but not the ramping time difference so left handed use in the right hand is still more responsive. I’d say most likely boutique brands also aren’t doing things like setting vesc’s input deadband and ramping time settings so it’s set all the way up at 15% when it could be as low as 5% with ramping times at 0.2 acc/0.4 dec when they could both be 0.1 or so. Out of the box for vesc is redundant as it is up to the user to choose how they want things set with a default setting that’s generous for beginner riders not getting thrown off as soon as the board moves. Acedeck, the hadean and so on have the most aggressive throttle curve, etc they could be given, imagine like 2-3 times the amps doing that when you’re already on the verge of being thrown off those boards at times.
With the puck vs the vx4 though as a right handed rider now exclusively using the puck flipped in the left handed setting, 5% input deadband, ramping times at 0, and expo throttle type with throttle curves around +20-30% for daily riding and no curve for track I can say it absolutely creams the vx4 off the line and all the way through the mid-range. Vx4 while nice to use just doesn’t perform anywhere near the puck when you’ve tuned everything. I’ve had 2 vx4 remotes and both have issues within a few months so I’m sticking with the puck with all my experience with both remotes.
It’s has zero to do with the Hoyt’s built in throttle curve. VESC PPM setting defaults to 15% deadband. Drop it to where you want it. Done.
If you want to adjust throttle *response* then yes, the linear curve firmware update will help you dial it in exactly how you want.
@@BlownMacTruck yeah the gap before when the throttle begins can be changed with the deadband percent, I was more talking about the acceleration curve.
Such a beautiful build! You picked ALL the right parts dude!
I have a feeling you will be bringing this board to esk8con this year! I’m stoked to see you perform!
Yes dude you have finally come over to the dark side 😂 nice board 🛹👌🏼
Similar reason I like my Bamboo Hadean, plenty of power massive carvability with softer bushings, and still slim enough to not be a monster. Honestly the board does more than I can ever use, I usually wear out before the battery.
U must be loving your new track board.
That’s just wild type of board, customized to perfection
Nice to see you on a solid first built board, I’ve done the heavier long range builds too and didn’t keep the heaviest of the bunch around in the end while still riding my carbon gtr diy rebuild which is a pretty similar setup to what you have here.
Amazing Bro.. I made 17000km with my BC2 🛹
Same problem Now
Water infiltration 💦
Can't wait to see that board in person at esk8con!
Those oil slick wheels look nice rolling 😍
A VESC is not configured "out of the box". Its an open source controller .. Its the users job to set it up.
for a diy build, sure. but not for the production boards i was using. there are absolutely “out of the box” . buying a 3000-3400 board and having less power off the line than a B-One just doesnt make any sense to me.
@@esk8unity but production VESC are generally boutique boards. More expensive and very powerful, highly customisable due to VESC. These boutique manufacturers operating NOT out of China are supply a non aggressive tune to the new owner of the board. A US company for example does not want to be sued for supplying aggressive settings out of the box. These days there are many very powerful Chinese boards on the market so things have changed. 5 years ago the only super powerful boards were boutique or diy. Knowledge of vesc goes hand in hand with owning a boutique level board or DIY. The reason to own these boards is because you want to take the tech to the next level and perhaps repair your own board when it breaks. Basically VESC is for those with the interest and aptitude to customise it.
@@benlay750even worse. american tuned but down tuned cuz they dont wanna get sued? common dude. making it less powerful off the line then a evolve, meepo, b-one , etc etc, no one getting sued. they also have disclaimers allll over there pages about it being for advanced riders and not beginer riders, AND specifically saying changing motor controler settings can/will void ur warranty . i have a screen shot from lacroix saying it to another customer (before they went under) Bio boards website says it, Mboards says it, Hoyt has zero info on there motor controlers, beastboards says about being advance riders and dont purchase if you are not advanced, defiant says it can void warranty, etc etc. why do u think they say that? yall keep talkin about a safety measure and its up to the customer to tweak it, yet no companies want u doing that and its a slippery slope. why not just tune it with GOOD (not crazy) acceleration that matches the throttle curve of its mid range power/top speed like all other boards do? “safety” measures for riders are what mode 1 and 2 are for. theres a reason why bio, lacroix, kaly, superbeast, defiant, hoyt, or mboards has never made a tutorial video on how to adjust settings. they want to avoid customers doing that. Lastly, we will always do out of box comparisons. u know how evolve hadean does 26mph top speed? should i argue it does actually 42 with simple pully/wheel changing? no right. out or the box. works both ways
How are you going to sue any of the Chinese brands? They have no liabilities in the USA so they are not exposed to these law suits. That's why US companies are more concerned with safety and as you say have statements on their websites to that effect. Also because these boutique brands come from our local eskate communities they actually care about the safety of their customers. VESC is a living open source project instructions are constantly being updated and the VESC/DIY community provides better instructions than any manufacturer could. I agree that out of the box configs could be more aggressive. IMHO its a mute point why drop $3K plus on technology you will barely scratch the surface of. If you are all dollars and no cents you can always pay someone to help your dial in your settings. My experience with chinese eskate is these companies really care very little about rider safety (my expirence is with exway and acedeck) both companies showed that they care little about serious safety issues I identified with boards that were purchased brand new and barely used when I reached out for help .. One of the reasons the VESC boards mostly still use the hoyt puck is that almost every other remote will occasionally disconnect which can be super dangerous .. from what I've heard the VX4 can cause interference with other boards nearby which if true is sketchy as F @@esk8unity
changing wheels and pulleys isn't so simple .. your a pretty light guy in a not very hot climate .. many of us need to be much more careful with this because of the extra heat involved with increasing top speed or midrange punch via gearing. Of course changing VESC settings can void your warranty .. if you adjust settings incorrectly you will blow it up. Its very clear to me that these boutique brands handle safety issues much more carefully than the china brands and they are catering to a much more informed and generally mature customer base. I love your channel and your work. I accept you have a different opinion and I respect that @@esk8unity
This inspired me to get back into DIY. Just ordered some parts yesterday
Congratulations Fred the board looks awesome
Sounds like a great idea for my older boards…….. Unfortunately My budget doesn’t include labor!!😂
Amazing video dude!
Nice board! I'm running a similar build with 6374's and a 12s4p p42a. Just to let you know, i have my motors pushed up to 110a. so if you ever want some extra power, your board is more than capable
Can't wait to upgrade
I have a 12S3P DIY that is close to this. But DKP trucks. I really enjoy the fact it's not giant and heavy. Super fun!!!
Great video. Board looks amazing
Ya no crazy delays! 10-4 si senior
Can’t wait to diy my first board
Awesome build!
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The issue with high-end boards is that they are more likely to be used by a wealthy middle-aged out-of-shape individual, rather than by an athletic person in their 20s or 30s. That's why, for safety reasons, it's necessary to by default incorporate delays to prevent the board from swiftly fly beneath the rider's feet. The advantage of Vesc is that it allows for easy adjustment of the acceleration and deceleration curves, as well as the dead spots.
i respectfully disagree. most high end boards have bold warning labels with high performance warnings and not for beginner riders. they also have warranty claims about changing motor controllers beyond stock will void warranty. regardless of any of that, this is what mode 1 and 2 are for. mode 3 on a boutique board shouldnt be less torque off the line than a B-one/Ownboard/meepo/evolve/onsra etc etc. just my humble opinion based on the results and experience.
@@esk8unity oh I see. I have never put more 1600usd on a production board. So thanks for the information.
Great custom build Fred, and many great points made! I just wish you had given the expected cost and timeline for others to do something similar.
About $1300 in parts. A d about a week to complete and test, set as wished to perform by customer. It's very costly for most but it's the price of bringing a 1985 Toyota to a 2023 tesla lol. Abit of exaggeration but you get the point, the condition of this board before the rebuild you wouldn't payed $400 for the board for the many yrs. of raw abuse it showed. I know some might say I rather get a new board for that price but when a board is your first love and has sentimental Value to you, you will put the work tours that board and have it as you ever dreamed it was from day one. It's ine of a kind ..
Very Clean DIY board 🔥definetly have to try it out!
Perfect build man 👌🏼👏🏻✨
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90 motor amps, nooiicce!! Good call on the charger situation aswell,i second that for sure. I wonder how defiant is gonna feel about u complaining about there board lol and weight is a big deal imo with esk8. Anything over 30ish lbs really starts to drastically effect the ride feel, 40lbs and up makes me feel like im sk8’n a boat 😅
😂😂 Just James🤙🏼🤙🏼
so sick bro!
I agree with the omni tkp im 230lbs and have 93a kranks in the rear and 90a krank fat cone boardside and 90a krank cone roadside up front. Does the bs3 deck have flex? If i slap a segmented battery enclosure will it have some give?
Looks awesome
These Omni Trucks are about the same price as the Mboards new cnc RKP trucks. What are your thoughts on the differeces? I like to cruise and carve a lot like you. Thanks Fred.
I'd love to hear the answer to this as well from someone that has used both!
I have both mboard trucks and omi estate tkp trucks I like mboards better as they have a lot more ways you can tune them to how you like to ride you can use a wide variety of bushings with them and angled base plate allows them to be extremely stable or very maneuverable both nice trucks tho
The jarritos👀🔥
My 1st board,is the Acedeck 4WD Ares... I honestly thought, the throttle curb was mainly in my head. Now I dont feel as bad...
Happy holidays! 🎉
Nice Build
The WHEELS 😍
New board
Great toy
Im impressed...🖐🚀
I guess your the right person to ask, since you have a lot of esk8, but do you have a problem with newer hobbywing remotes, the one that has brake settings and awd option, where the auto turn on wont work if you dont use it for 2 days? I have 2 of the new remotes and most of the time, i have to go down and turn on the board. But with older hobbywing remote, the auto on when you turn on the remote always works.
Board looks awesome, I feelt the need to have the GPS overlay in the video tho. Any reason why you are not using the insta360 GPS overlay?
Niiiiiiicee 😍
Jersey!
In to win some wheels or the Tynee. 😅
If I put this tire on a machine that pushes itself, will it make the ride uncomfortable?
Oh. Also since you like the Street feel you should try some 76mm Akashas on there!!!
sheesh!!!
How much was it?
A cost breakdown would've been a useful touch!
Jus watchin vids
So you built an onsra?
does a onsra have molicel p42a ?
does a onsra have omni esk8 tkp trucks?
does a onsra have maker x esc?
does a onsra have 90a pushing to each motor?
does a onsra have flipsky 6374 motors?
does a onsra have riptide bushings?
does a onsra have custom yoc grip tape?
does a black carve have oil slick hubs?
does a onsra have built in spacer bearings?
does a onsra do 35.5mph with AT?
I need tarmax wheels lol
Test This with Rubber wheels 115mm now for more speed 😅
Those are the most sketchy wheels I've ever rode,east you cruising in perfect road conditions, not to mention that they drain your battery more than some AT wheels. Board is balanced out for his top speed wished and still have decent acceleration about 4x that wich it came with. Ibthink he has other for higher speeds.
Not cool putting up pics of other people's actual diy boards. Most of those boards were built years ago when diy part options were alot more limited, and who knows what kind of budgets the builders could actually afford.. BTW, at 5:07 that's a 5-6 year old Psychotiller build from a Esk8 pioneer, builder, fabricator and friend of the community who died of cancer in 2022.
Daiing, i dont get why soo many upset rider, we all have different Opinions and desire to upgrade your most loved Board, some of us know a bit of vesc programming some dont so respect everyones Opinions and instead of criticizing one another we should act as a Comunity and help one another, i one makes a mistake and you know better share your knowledge we all learn new things daily and none got it all figured out. Safe ride fellas.
It literally looks like it was made just for you. No 🧢
It was, he was asked how his dream bc2 would perform like? And it was setup to meet his desires 🤙🏼🤙🏼
@@MadDonJuan I want my BC3 or my Meepo bamboo hurricane to have 12s8p battery with the same motors, motor pulleys, esc and remote. Is it possible for me to get a quote?
Soo… *”My first custom build”
Beautiful board tho 🤌🏼🤌🏼
FYI ........... DIY is do it YOURSELF LOL
How to make contact with this guy all i understand was he is somewhere in bk
@1:29 I screen shot his Instagram
@@esk8unity😎
It's a DIY board bro. Do it yourself. Tuning the VESC how you want it isn't the same as swapping out hardware. The stock settings are for safety and the largest range of applications. Needs to be tuned to rider. Acceleration will depend on rider weight, battery voltage, motor kv etc. Hardly think it's fair to criticize something you can easily fix with a small amount of effort...?
huh? i know my board is a diy board. its tuned just right. u talking about the other two PRODUCTION boards? no there not diy boards. idk why u guys are so angry about the results. “a safety reason” yet thats what mode 1 and 2 are for. safety concern yet its slower than a B-one board off the line… lastly, all these companies either have a BOLD warning label saying its not meant for beginners riders, ride at your own risk. some have ZERO info about there esc at all. and most have a disclaimer saying it can void warranty if changed beyond stock settings from manufacturer. why do think lacroix, kaly, bio board, hoyt, beastboard, defiant or anyone else has a “how to video” ? “criticized” is a strong word. its simple facts of the results. If i show you the slow results of a stock evolve your not gonna get upset are ya? even tho you can put smaller pullies and bigger wheels on you can change its top speed. but we dont do that for review purposes either. works both ways
Mans got himself a restomod board right there
Bangin Track.🎉🎉🎉 Esk8 is the 💩