I'm 57. I remember this hole Era Bronx Love 183. Got criticism because I was a light skin Rican. but f that. old school hip hop forever.Loved watching Cold crush battle the fantastic 5 great days. blessings.
Understood, I am a proud clear skinned half Puerto Rican myself and yes got critism too. Lol. The ignorants of some. Unfortunately the hip hop of today has ruined the culture to the point its no longer existing. It pissed me off. 👍
It was great growing up in the Bronx in the 80's. With the romantic fantastic 5 and cold crush brothers battling up on Burnside ave. Those were the golden days
The mixtape started with RichTee owner of the Rythem Den on Arthur Ave and Tremont he aĺso owned the T Connection on Gunhill Road right across the street from where Charlie Rock from the Żulu Nation lived
B-boy music and dance actually started in the early 70s. B-boy was changed to Hip Hop in the mid to late 70s. Wild Style dance was going on in the early '70s and was changed to Break dancing in the late 70s. Soundview area in the Bronx was doing Hip Hop before it was called Hip Hop. My brother told me he remember everyone use to come to the Soundview area first. Afrika Bambaataa came to our house at 609 St. Lawrence Ave to play Hip Hop in our basement before it was called Hip Hop. My brother Robbie AKA Ice showed him how to set up his music equipment and how to use it. He also loved my mother Madea's Soul Food. I remember him washing my mother's dishes and he also spent some nights at our house. Bambaataa was a good guy and we enjoyed him at our house.
Those DJ's weren't Hip-Hop DJ's. They weren't cutting up breaks. They were playing "Love Is The Message", etc, for a specific crowd. I repeat, they were NO Hip-Hop DJ's, before Herc, Bam, Flash, L-Brothers, etc. All else comes after.
@@randee4550 didn’t we already tell u that it’s disrespectful for a white hispanic like u to be dropped the n word? Stupid ass refugee third world sp!c that abandoned his wack culture and is desperate to be in mine. Too bad it’ll never work. Nore just said that fat Joe said “fuck Puerto Ricans. Fuck them people on that island” and for once I agree with fat Joe
@@Defaultname00012 Who the fuck is "we"? Ain't no MF tell me SHIT!!! Dumb, racist niggaz like you, wanna hijack my CULTURE, because you're Black???? Is that it? You wanna inject BlacKKK racist shit, into Hip-Hop, but you're not even part of the culture? NEVER have been, nor will you ever be. But you wanna stake claims, because you think you own Bronx Hip-Hop copyrights, by being BlacKKK??? How dumb, can a racist nigga like you be??
Burial !! Advice to those who Rock on a big Soundsystem to win a challenge like the Great Stonelove or Mighty Crown . Bring ya Mellows ya Al Greens ya Marvin's ya Delfonics , ya Heptones , ya Traditions , ya Chilites ya Four Tops ....Still Waters Run Deep 💛 🙏🙏🙏
The way Run looked at Steven Tyler at the 10:40 mark in this video was priceless. He said, "Finally" in reference to rap music having electric lead guitars, heavy metal/rock style with the beat. Run looked like he wanted to knock his block off! LOL!
Man they used to mix that "Davey D" all the time at our dances "vvvvv,vvvv, vvvv, vvvvv, one for the trouble, two for the base, Comon Davey D lets rocks this place, scccrrrreeer....
Hip Hop already existed in the Bronx before Bambarata , Flash and Kool Herc you can't create a culture that already existed Caribbeans didn't bring Hip Hop culture to the United States the brother Disco King Mario existed way before all of these people let's talk about grandmaster flowers DJ phase and countless others bronxdale is the Mecca no disrespect to anybody but tell the truth
Disco King Mario and Flowers had their opportunity to speak up and make their claim, but they didn't because they knew that these other people were doing something different. Flash went deep with his explanation of his technique and it was never disputed against at that time by the Djs you mentioned. So any and all claim or complaints are mute!
Why do these documentaries always leave people out ? .... and it's usually the main pioneers. Where is Disco King Mario's name or DJ kool D and a few others.
@@MrSP1200 They weren't Disco bro. The played for the B Boys too. They played break beats. Peaple like DJ Hollywood, Pete DJ Jones and Grand Master Flowers were Disco DJs strictly
@@MrSP1200 lol no I'm saying the exact opposite Mario was not a Disco DJ. He started the hip hop shit because he played the breaks first for the young kids. The Baby Spades hip hop came from gang culture and mario was part of the original Black Spades
It’s really disgusting that this immigrant African bambatta decided to rename what Black Americans were already doing “hip hop” so that he could shoe horn other immigrants into our culture and give them ownership.
Disco King Mario and Flowers had their opportunity to speak up and make their claim, but they didn't because they knew that these other people were doing something different. Flash went deep with his explanation of his technique and it was never disputed against at that time by any other DJs.... Any claim or complaints made by FBAs are mute!
@@TheGuest954 This is from Google When did sound system culture start? 1950s The term 'soundsystem culture' refers to a musical culture born in Jamaica in the late 1940s and early 1950s, revolving around street parties and loud music. This is were the culture started and men would (chat over the mic /DJ ) this was brought to America when Jamaicans migrated to America and slowly developed into rap. Rap would be the same as dance hall or DJ the only difference is with rap proper English, dance hall perfect patios. Hat off to all the guys who played a part in developing the music into rap.
One of the first rap songs was Cocaine in My Brain a song by Dillinger, Jamaican artist in 1976. Listen to the song. He’s “rapping.” Jamaican Dancehall artists were “toasting” ie “rapping” over records at parties before so called rap. Many early rap artists from Slick Rick to Heavy D were of Jamaican descent. That’s how the influence travelled.
American disc jockeys were doing it since the late 1920s and early 30s. Jamaicans like Clement Dodd said they got it from Americans when they came here to work as laborers in the 50s.
@@davidcummings5984 That's a different kind of toasting. The toasting I'm referring to is a derivative of Jive Talking (boasting/slick talking). The orginal Jamaican toasters themselves state they were influenced by Black American jive talking.
At that time i didnt see any P.R rappers besides prince markie d he came what 3 or 5yrs later so later for what fat joe or krusty rhymes and by way check your archives and see there was a brother rapping in the 40 facts blk people music not latino get it just because your carrying records or dancing by the way they didnt create breaking either we let yall in dont forget it fool
@@shamika5300 One of the first rap songs was Cocaine in My Brain a song by Dillinger, Jamaican artist in 1976. Listen to the song. He’s “rapping.” Jamaican Dancehall artists were “toasting” ie “rapping” over records at parties before so called rap. Many early rap artists from Slick Rick to Heavy D were of Jamaican descent. That’s how the influence travelled.
@@theworkethicPigmeat Markham was rapping on 1968 track” here comes the judge” and also The Jubalaires were rapping back in the 40s on “Noah” and “The Preacher and the Bear”.
American music forms: Spirituals,, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as it should've been. Moreover, the heavy hateful and many times racist criticism directed at the Black American youngsters, by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop, latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught, yet 50 years later they want to take credit for this FBA art form that they didn't create...
This documentary is full of lies. They stole the break beat and extended breaks form DJ's like Pete Jones and Grandmaster Flowers who never got their credit. smh
Flowers did the scratching looping back spin juggling or break beats, see Flowers might've had the stereo sound system and mixing records together but he was regular dj . So how the Bronx djs stole break beats and they created it.
Rap didn't come from black or jamaican people 🤔😤😕😒 Rap come from Hispanic people you Read only black history but outside the black history you found the real history look for Musica de trobadores in the Caribbean expecific puertorican n Cuba Colombia in the troba music they raping 100% n competition
The thing is there are different chanting traditions. There are two African chanting traditions I recently found out about ijala of the Yoruba and ima mbem of the Igbo. Both are not exactly talking or singing.
But have a rhythm what makes them different from rapping is they are not done to a beat or music. Next there is talking blues. Usually blues involves singing. But talking blues involves talking the lyrics. The first talking blues record was called "talking blues", and was recorded by a White man named Chris Bouchillon in 1927.
Wait..? Did Jamaicans invent rap? Is the biggest African American export based on the innovations of one Jamaican man? I know black Americans pretty much started everything else like blues, pop, rock n roll, r&b, and soul..but not rap?
Ashley Holder I know Kool Herc was jamaican. Coke Larock was the very first MC I don't know if he was jamaican. Cold crush Brothers were the first I know of to really start rhyming with it. Somebody older may have more information.
Bullshit!!!! They used black American music to create rap music. Kool herc didn’t even play Jamaican music at those parties he threw!!!!! Without black American music there is no hip hop
@@876mostvaluabletreasure2 We're your daddies because Reggae, Ska, rock Steady, Dancehall all came from r & b/soul, blues and jazz. Oh and we invented rap /hip hop too. Herc didn't invent it he only extended the break beats.
Okay the argument over who created Hip Hop is being based on 1) Who rapped first 2) Who worked with breakbeats first. Jamaicans who know about toasting think that it went from that to rapping after the Jamaican sound system culture spread to NYC.
If you listen to the right people talk history they will tell you about Pig Meat Markham's influence on hip hop. They'll tell you that thats what the first kids rapping were trying to emulate
He might have rapped, but how many people were influenced by him, if we really are honest rhyming with a rhythm has been done a number of times. What about hand clap games? Like Miss Mary Mack and all that?
They stole their concepts from DJ Hollywood, Pete Jones and Grandmaster Flowers and Pigmeat Markham. They didn't invent rapping over music. They lied. Pigment Markham had a rap song on the Billboard charts in 1968 called Here Comes The Judge.
More lies. First of all, Hollywood came slightly before Herc and he was doing some rhyming, but nothing like they were doing in the Bronx. Second of all, Flowers, Jones, etc would talk over records, but they weren't doing full on rhymes like they were doing in the Bronx. Third of all, none of them were mixing and cutting the breaks from records together, until well after Herc, Baam, Mario, Flash, etc were doing it. Many of those older, disco DJs COULDNT STAND hip hop, and only adopted it AFTER it became popular. Cholly Rock talks about this. You are right that Pigmeat was an influence on this.
I'm 57. I remember this hole Era Bronx Love 183. Got criticism because I was a light skin Rican. but f that. old school hip hop forever.Loved watching Cold crush battle the fantastic 5 great days. blessings.
Understood, I am a proud clear skinned half Puerto Rican myself and yes got critism too. Lol. The ignorants of some. Unfortunately the hip hop of today has ruined the culture to the point its no longer existing. It pissed me off. 👍
It was great growing up in the Bronx in the 80's. With the romantic fantastic 5 and cold crush brothers battling up on Burnside ave. Those were the golden days
facts much love 183 I use to be up and down Fordham all the way to 161vstreet.Now they all just keep shooting each other..
The mixtape started with RichTee owner of the Rythem Den on Arthur Ave and Tremont he aĺso owned the T Connection on Gunhill Road right across the street from where Charlie Rock from the Żulu Nation lived
How did it start with him? He wasn't a DJ.
PRAISE KING JESUS WHERE ARE THE PUERTO RICANS DJ MCS B BOY 😂 THATS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CO CREATE IT 😂
B-boy music and dance actually started in the early 70s. B-boy was changed to Hip Hop in the mid to late 70s. Wild Style dance was going on in the early '70s and was changed to Break dancing in the late 70s. Soundview area in the Bronx was doing Hip Hop before it was called Hip Hop. My brother told me he remember everyone use to come to the Soundview area first. Afrika Bambaataa came to our house at 609 St. Lawrence Ave to play Hip Hop in our basement before it was called Hip Hop. My brother Robbie AKA Ice showed him how to set up his music equipment and how to use it. He also loved my mother Madea's Soul Food. I remember him washing my mother's dishes and he also spent some nights at our house. Bambaataa was a good guy and we enjoyed him at our house.
It is bboy music. I grew up breaking in the 90s . Still break. We need a emphasis on breaking for blacks.
B-boys were before the 70's, they use to call U.S- Black street dancers B-boys in the 1960's.
NYC neighborhoods had DJs since the 1960's and 1970's
Those DJ's weren't Hip-Hop DJ's. They weren't cutting up breaks. They were playing "Love Is The Message", etc, for a specific crowd. I repeat, they were NO Hip-Hop DJ's, before Herc, Bam, Flash, L-Brothers, etc. All else comes after.
@@randee4550 lmao u been lying about this history for years I see
@@Defaultname00012 Really? Name the crew then! Why can't y'all niggaz, name a fucking crew ever?
@@randee4550 didn’t we already tell u that it’s disrespectful for a white hispanic like u to be dropped the n word? Stupid ass refugee third world sp!c that abandoned his wack culture and is desperate to be in mine. Too bad it’ll never work. Nore just said that fat Joe said “fuck Puerto Ricans. Fuck them people on that island” and for once I agree with fat Joe
@@Defaultname00012 Who the fuck is "we"? Ain't no MF tell me SHIT!!!
Dumb, racist niggaz like you, wanna hijack my CULTURE, because you're Black???? Is that it? You wanna inject BlacKKK racist shit, into Hip-Hop, but you're not even part of the culture? NEVER have been, nor will you ever be. But you wanna stake claims, because you think you own Bronx Hip-Hop copyrights, by being BlacKKK??? How dumb, can a racist nigga like you be??
is there any other parts to this documentary?
great upload, many thanks.
Rick & Russell got the idea of combining HIP HOP with Rock/ metal from the pioneer group Cold Crush Brother...
The got the idea, from the Treacherous 3's "Body Rock".
punk rock rap cc4
Burial !! Advice to those who Rock on a big Soundsystem to win a challenge like the Great Stonelove or Mighty Crown . Bring ya Mellows ya Al Greens ya Marvin's ya Delfonics , ya Heptones , ya Traditions , ya Chilites ya Four Tops ....Still Waters Run Deep 💛 🙏🙏🙏
My left ear enjoyed this
The way Run looked at Steven Tyler at the 10:40 mark in this video was priceless. He said, "Finally" in reference to rap music having electric lead guitars, heavy metal/rock style with the beat. Run looked like he wanted to knock his block off! LOL!
Man they used to mix that "Davey D" all the time at our dances "vvvvv,vvvv, vvvv, vvvvv, one for the trouble, two for the base, Comon Davey D lets rocks this place, scccrrrreeer....
This is better than the PBS , Chuck D fight the Party.
Flash you weren't even in the damn studio to record "the Message" but he continues to act like he produced it. lol
Hip Hop already existed in the Bronx before Bambarata , Flash and Kool Herc you can't create a culture that already existed Caribbeans didn't bring Hip Hop culture to the United States the brother Disco King Mario existed way before all of these people let's talk about grandmaster flowers DJ phase and countless others bronxdale is the Mecca no disrespect to anybody but tell the truth
Disco King Mario and Flowers had their opportunity to speak up and make their claim, but they didn't because they knew that these other people were doing something different. Flash went deep with his explanation of his technique and it was never disputed against at that time by the Djs you mentioned.
So any and all claim or complaints are mute!
Grand Master Flowers wasn't a Hip Hop DJ in the early 70s.
The bronx is the birthplace of hip-hop
The Bronx 💯🗽
@@IAMHIPHOP974 Okay👌🏾
@@isaiahwinbrone 🔥🔥🔥
PArt 2?
The birth of hip hop in the South Bronx
You know when you got an ithbabd yiu scratch and it’s called a sweet scratch that’s what hip hop is you dig !!
LOVE
That bizz is the way it sounds
Disco King Mario let's not forget that brother
Where's his videos?
Checkout Microphone Check Hidden History Of Hip hop by Tariq Nasheed!
Why do these documentaries always leave people out ? .... and it's usually the main pioneers. Where is Disco King Mario's name or DJ kool D and a few others.
Because they were Disco DJ's.
@@MrSP1200 They weren't Disco bro. The played for the B Boys too. They played break beats. Peaple like DJ Hollywood, Pete DJ Jones and Grand Master Flowers were Disco DJs strictly
@@MrSP1200 Mario was before Herc
That's what I said. Mario, Flowers & Jones were all Disco DJs.
@@MrSP1200 lol no I'm saying the exact opposite Mario was not a Disco DJ. He started the hip hop shit because he played the breaks first for the young kids. The Baby Spades hip hop came from gang culture and mario was part of the original Black Spades
It’s really disgusting that this immigrant African bambatta decided to rename what Black Americans were already doing “hip hop” so that he could shoe horn other immigrants into our culture and give them ownership.
Disco King Mario and Flowers had their opportunity to speak up and make their claim, but they didn't because they knew that these other people were doing something different. Flash went deep with his explanation of his technique and it was never disputed against at that time by any other DJs....
Any claim or complaints made by FBAs are mute!
DJ Kool Herc being a native of Kingston, Jamaica always credits his Jamaican roots for his early techniques and development of the culture.
facts
No he doesn't.
Cap
Herc admitted himself he wasn't a dj when he came here. He said he had to be more Americanized and he learned from guys like Disco King Mario.
@@TheGuest954
This is from Google When did sound system culture start?
1950s
The term 'soundsystem culture' refers to a musical culture born in Jamaica in the late 1940s and early 1950s, revolving around street parties and loud music.
This is were the culture started and men would (chat over the mic /DJ ) this was brought to America when Jamaicans migrated to America and slowly developed into rap. Rap would be the same as dance hall or DJ the only difference is with rap proper English, dance hall perfect patios. Hat off to all the guys who played a part in developing the music into rap.
I feel like they left somebody out in this one
Beastie Boys rocked The Fever early in their career?
MTV's - The History of Hip Hop
BOX 12:03
New York City, New York City, New York City....
The Get Down...
Johnny Trever ya man
One of the first rap songs was Cocaine in My Brain a song by Dillinger, Jamaican artist in 1976. Listen to the song. He’s “rapping.” Jamaican Dancehall artists were “toasting” ie “rapping” over records at parties before so called rap. Many early rap artists from Slick Rick to Heavy D were of Jamaican descent. That’s how the influence travelled.
Toasting comes from American Jive talk.
Check out Pigment Markham from '69
American disc jockeys were doing it since the late 1920s and early 30s. Jamaicans like Clement Dodd said they got it from Americans when they came here to work as laborers in the 50s.
@@BTman58 toasting comes from England from Politics and After Dinner Speeches ....from the Upper echelons of high Societies
@@davidcummings5984
That's a different kind of toasting. The toasting I'm referring to is a derivative of Jive Talking (boasting/slick talking). The orginal Jamaican toasters themselves state they were influenced by Black American jive talking.
At that time i didnt see any P.R rappers besides prince markie d he came what 3 or 5yrs later so later for what fat joe or krusty rhymes and by way check your archives and see there was a brother rapping in the 40 facts blk people music not latino get it just because your carrying records or dancing by the way they didnt create breaking either we let yall in dont forget it fool
Y'all need to watch Microphone Check Hidden History Of Hip hop by Tariq Nasheed!
Rap began im Jamaica
maurice shaker stfu no it didn't
@@shamika5300 it's part of it's origin. It goes back to folk
@@shamika5300 One of the first rap songs was Cocaine in My Brain a song by Dillinger, Jamaican artist in 1976. Listen to the song. He’s “rapping.” Jamaican Dancehall artists were “toasting” ie “rapping” over records at parties before so called rap. Many early rap artists from Slick Rick to Heavy D were of Jamaican descent. That’s how the influence travelled.
@@theworkethicPigmeat Markham was rapping on 1968 track” here comes the judge” and also The Jubalaires were rapping back in the 40s on “Noah” and “The Preacher and the Bear”.
Cap
American music forms: Spirituals,, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as it should've been.
Moreover, the heavy hateful and many times racist criticism directed at the Black American youngsters, by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop, latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught, yet 50 years later they want to take credit for this FBA art form that they didn't create...
This documentary has so many lies
Can you tell Us more???
I am a hip-hop Researcher
Thanks
@@djehutymehal3861 He's lying. It's why he won't answer
Douge Fresh didn't in invent beat-boxing. More Lies. smh
MisterZoe Beatboxing comes from scat-singing.
This documentary is full of lies. They stole the break beat and extended breaks form DJ's like Pete Jones and Grandmaster Flowers who never got their credit. smh
MisterZoe The real lie is that Rap was made by indian people
Flowers did the scratching looping back spin juggling or break beats, see Flowers might've had the stereo sound system and mixing records together but he was regular dj . So how the Bronx djs stole break beats and they created it.
@@gyfnola3852 The wrong rap came Africa "Griots"
They were Disco DJ's.
Rap didn't come from black or jamaican people 🤔😤😕😒 Rap come from Hispanic people you Read only black history but outside the black history you found the real history look for Musica de trobadores in the Caribbean expecific puertorican n Cuba Colombia in the troba music they raping 100% n competition
How old is that? I mean if it's older than the 1940s and is not singing.
The thing is there are different chanting traditions. There are two African chanting traditions I recently found out about ijala of the Yoruba and ima mbem of the Igbo. Both are not exactly talking or singing.
But have a rhythm what makes them different from rapping is they are not done to a beat or music. Next there is talking blues. Usually blues involves singing. But talking blues involves talking the lyrics. The first talking blues record was called "talking blues", and was recorded by a White man named Chris Bouchillon in 1927.
As far as Jamaicans they heard African American radio and one of them decided to play records and talk jive like he'd heard the Americans do.
@@maazi.naaniya9158 th-cam.com/video/GZBBffuz6Zk/w-d-xo.html Rafael Hernandez Marin boricua the first music he do was in 1912 he created salsa
Wait..? Did Jamaicans invent rap? Is the biggest African American export based on the innovations of one Jamaican man? I know black Americans pretty much started everything else like blues, pop, rock n roll, r&b, and soul..but not rap?
Ashley Holder I know Kool Herc was jamaican. Coke Larock was the very first MC I don't know if he was jamaican. Cold crush Brothers were the first I know of to really start rhyming with it. Somebody older may have more information.
IMxYOURxDADDY by a Jamaican case closed.
Bullshit!!!! They used black American music to create rap music. Kool herc didn’t even play Jamaican music at those parties he threw!!!!! Without black American music there is no hip hop
@@876mostvaluabletreasure2 We're your daddies because Reggae, Ska, rock Steady, Dancehall all came from r & b/soul, blues and jazz. Oh and we invented rap /hip hop too. Herc didn't invent it he only extended the break beats.
Okay the argument over who created Hip Hop is being based on 1) Who rapped first 2) Who worked with breakbeats first. Jamaicans who know about toasting think that it went from that to rapping after the Jamaican sound system culture spread to NYC.
No mention of Pigmeat Markham who started it all. smh
If you listen to the right people talk history they will tell you about Pig Meat Markham's influence on hip hop. They'll tell you that thats what the first kids rapping were trying to emulate
He might have rapped, but how many people were influenced by him, if we really are honest rhyming with a rhythm has been done a number of times. What about hand clap games? Like Miss Mary Mack and all that?
Jazzy Jay remind you guys of something? Jay Z stole his name from somewhere, that guy can't even be original with his name!
stfu
They stole their concepts from DJ Hollywood, Pete Jones and Grandmaster Flowers and Pigmeat Markham. They didn't invent rapping over music. They lied. Pigment Markham had a rap song on the Billboard charts in 1968 called Here Comes The Judge.
More lies. First of all, Hollywood came slightly before Herc and he was doing some rhyming, but nothing like they were doing in the Bronx. Second of all, Flowers, Jones, etc would talk over records, but they weren't doing full on rhymes like they were doing in the Bronx. Third of all, none of them were mixing and cutting the breaks from records together, until well after Herc, Baam, Mario, Flash, etc were doing it. Many of those older, disco DJs COULDNT STAND hip hop, and only adopted it AFTER it became popular. Cholly Rock talks about this.
You are right that Pigmeat was an influence on this.
STFU
My thing is this why Brooklyn and Queens wanna claim it ,
There was rap way before Hip Hop & there is rap way after Hip Hop.
Where is the PR??????
The bronx is the birthplace of hip hop
FOH