Its not just the battle tho. Ussop was disrespecting his captain to the point that he would duel him. The crew still has a hierarchy and needs to respect it.
Bruh Luffy is the captain thats what Zoro saying The captain is NOT the one who apologize The captain CANNOT be disrespected by the crewmates The captain is NOT the one who goes to invite back the crewmate who disrespected him and left the crew.
And also the main issue was not the lost duel by itself, but the fact, that they couldnt just talk away the fact that usopp lost a duel and left the crew. If usopp didn't appologize him rejoining without any consequences would leave some bad blood in the crew makeing "leaving the crew" not that serious of what it is. On the other hand he had to still respect his captain.
Dude, Usopp didn't have to apologize for losing the duel he had to apologize for disrespecting the crew hierarchy and challenging the captain's position. If you have someone who can step on your leadership any time he pleases without any disregards to whose feelings he is actually hurting and then come back as if nothing ever happened, then you in reality does not command respect. That was what Zoro meant when he said the crew could fall apart.
Thank you; Can't be disrespecting the captain and leave, and then try to finesse your way back into the crew and try to act like nothing ever happened. You have to own up to your mistake and apologize for it. If he was right about leaving the crew he wouldn't have bothered coming back but since he was rehearsing to find a good script as to how to be accepted again back in the crew that means he understood his mistake and is trying to correct it, so the least you can do after realising you made a mistake is apologizing. Zoro is right.
The "rehearsing the script part" was what killed everything. It meant that Usopp wanted to come back but wouldn't apologize or worse, he would act as if nothing ever happened hoping that everybody would forget it. That's not a man's attitude, if he was trying to squeeze out of the sittuation that means he knew he was wrong but was to prideful to apologize.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though. I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
I understand why you would disagree, but in all actuality there was no other way for usopp to come back to the crew other than apologizing. Think about it, no matter how you look at it luffy is the captain the one who is in charge of his crew. Thus being a captain he requires respect and loyalty, it doesn't matter if said captain is even a knuckle head totally agree with eveything that zoro had said. Usopp was the one that challenged his CAPTAIN and the result was that he lost. Usopp wasn't challenging his crewmate but the one who is in charge of it. It isn't just about zoro's code, its about the principle. Usopp lost and he had to deal with the consequences. Lastly, how else would you accept someone back into a crew who challenged and disrespected your capatin, especially when that someone aka usopp is trying to forget the duel ever happend and is trying to finesse his way back into the crew without admitting his wrongs. Just my thoughts
Cencere Richardson yes 💯 agree. I think they forgot that is not just group of friends, it’s a ship with a captain: Luffy is the leader Zorro it’s not about bushido stuff it’s just respect the fucking hierarchy you CANNOT challenge your captain. Zorro is there to remind them it’s not a childish thing it’s pirates adventure so Zorro was absolut right
@@miriotogata5853 Thats a fact, lycan and Amenz have to remember that the straw hats are indeed friends and comrades, but at the same time they have to respect the captain no matter what. Friendship and all has to be put aside when dealing with the hierarchy of the ship.
Couldn’t have said it better myself they’re favoriting Usopp way to much the they refuse to see that Usopp was completely in the wrong and that he disrespected his captain
Zoro: "If the first thing that comes from his mouth ain't an apology, we don't take him back and that's final" Luffy: "K seems only fair" Usopp: "[a bunch of bullshit that ain't an apology]" Zoro and Luffy: "We didn't hear anything. Doesn't count." Zoro was harsh on his decision but lenient when it came to executing it. He and Luffy purposefully ignored Usopp's usual lies waiting for his eventual apology.
Another thing people don't realize about Zoro. He wanted Usopp to come back as well. Every bit as much as Luffy or Nami or anyone else. That's why Usopp was given the opportunity to realize that HE COULD BE LEFT BEHIND and see the severity, rather than let him figure out when the Sunny Coup-De-Bursted the hell out of there. Once Usopp manned up and apologized, he was on the ship within seconds.
Its often overlooked, even though it didn't do anything, Van Argur literally shot twice. One in the chest and on in the forehead. This man goes for the kill no question
Actually he shots ace 3 times first the chest quickly follow by a head shot and a second later a third shot in the gut, you can even see the three separate hits indicated by the flames torrents that are created when he gets hit, there are three separated streams as seen in 46:15
It was Ussop's choice to leave the crew and now Ussop is apologizing for leaving the crew and challenging his captain. To me, Ussop is at fault here and Luffy forgave him.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though. I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
@@electricmastro I could come up with some bull crap about why Luffy was very abrupt to Ussop about leaving the Merry. Yeah it was also Luffy's fault for the money since Ussop should've had backup but the Merry was beyond repair right after Skypiea. Luffy knew after learning the truth about the Merry's condition that Ussop wouldn't take the news lightly. Luffy shared the truth and Ussop became defensive. It was his pride and disbelief in people which drove him to leave and challenge Luffy. Luffy is still learning on being a captain so it would be hard for him to understand his crew mates in bad times but at least he apologized, Ussop didnt(at that moment). He left the crew on his own and fought Luffy not as friends but as enemies. So ultimately Ussop was the one who wanted to come back to crew. All his actions which drove him out of the crew, he had to make them right and apologize. If Ussop didnt do that, I wont blame Luffy for leaving him. Let's make this clear, I said "Ussop is at fault here" I didnt say no one else was at fault. I highlighted Ussop because the episodes were about Ussop and his apology. Of course its other people's fault but I wont go into detail since you've seen the episodes, you know what happens. I'd like to add some thoughts about Zoro's importance in the crew. They wouldn't have made it past Arlong park without him and yeah that's all I have to say.
@@donii7092 Your response definitely leaves a lot more room for nuance as opposed to passive-aggressively shutting off the conversation at “Luffy was right in everything while Usopp was wrong in everything.” Even Zoro mentioned that who’s right and who’s wrong didn’t matter, but even if it did, and with Usopp admitting he was wrongful about how he handled his insecurities and maliciously lashed out not only at Luffy and saying Chopper isn’t his friend anymore, that both of them realized that the Merry was a living nakama who was weakening, but that letting it go the way they did wouldn’t be the same as abandonment. I think it’s that sort of realization that eventually helped Usopp finally apologize and for Luffy to readily accept him back as someone who respects the feelings of others, and not just his own.
@@electricmastro In the eyes of Ussop, Luffy is abandoning Merry, a nakama for a new ship. In the eyes of Luffy, Ussop needs to accept the reality that they cannot repair Merry. I don't think I highlighted Luffy as the "Good guy" and Ussop the bad one. Ussop's ideals during Water 7 did not align with Luffy's. When ideals dont align then there will be oppositions and eventually misunderstandings from both ends. Water 7 would have ended smoothly had Ussop accepted reality faster but since Oda is Goda the whole crew got to see what Ussop was defending. But that doesn't mean that Ussop is forgiven, he still left the crew and fought his captain. Luffy was ready to accept Ussop but as Zoro said "this is no little pirate game" that they're playing. "To me, Ussop is at fault-for his actions-and Luffy forgave him".
How did they completely miss what Zoro was saying? It had nothing to do with Zoro's code but the respect for your captain and his crew. It's like Zoro said, they're not "playing" at being pirates. You can't just come and go as you please. You can't challenge your captain to a duel, leave the crew and then decide to just come back as if nothing happened. Imagine if everyone decided to leave the crew because they didn't agree with their captains decision and then just pranced back on whenever they felt like it without any repercussions. Luffy, as captain, would become a joke. There'd be absolutely no respect for him what-so-ever. I just don't see how they completely misunderstood that.
Bro WE GET IT. It was just harsh & we know Usopp’s motivation also made sense. I hate people like you that just BASH IN the fact that Usopp was in the wrong, & act like he would ever leave the ship again, this was one specific instance. Honestly, I would’ve preferred if they had waited until Usopp reached the ship & then forced him to apologize or they’d leave in his face.
@@christhefiend nobody is bashing in anything here. Yeah this was one instance but who's to say that it wouldn't happen again. Or that another crew member does the same thing or something similar because Usopp suffered no repercussions when he returned to the ship. Luffy is the captain. He's earned their respect several times over. Usopp challenge him to a duel and lost. On most ships it's a done deal. He's out of there. He can't just waltz back in as if nothing happened. It's disrespectful to Luffy.
TML Froggy Give me one instance in the story that would’ve caused someone to feel the emotional impact that Usopp felt about his hometown ship getting destroyed? The Straw Hats all respect Luffy, but this was a rare case. I still feel like they should’ve waited & had him decide to their faces.
@@christhefiend I understand what you're saying. I really do. It's just that you don't want to start some kind of trend or I guess precedent. Dueling your captain is an extremely serious offence I would think in the pirate world. It can't be taken lightly or other offences would look like a cake walk afterwards. Look, I love Usopp but in this instance I really believe that he needed to show some kind of remorse for challenging Luffy. For so blatantly going against the captains orders.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though. I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
@@BlackLegASTRO Wouldn’t doubt that. If you expect people to respect your feelings and life, including overcoming your insecurities, then it’s only natural for you to respect the feelings and lives of others as well.
Usopp rejoin the crew is the only moment I have ever cry, it hit me personally. This moment really inspires me, it no doubts that apologies ( even if you not even wrong in the first place or half right) or speak want really inside you are better than lying. I was 12 at that time and learned to not lie through one piece lol
Honestly, it’s a matter of respect for your leader. Luffy’s goal is the most powerful and ambitious of the lot, and he’s the captain of the crew. The crew needs to show their captain some respect and if they go against him like Usopp did then they need to apologize. It’s a hard truth but Zoro is pretty much the second in command so he’s got to be the one to say it. Luffy was impulsive too, and talking it out is gonna be important. But the apology is a matter of hierarchy. The duel was so important in Zoro’s speech cuz it was a major event of challenging the authority of the captain. Since Usopp challenged Luffy, he’s gotta love with the result and the insult to Luffy that challenge means
@@ICavalcadeI I understand why he left to save the rest of the crew on zou but when luffy came he still fought luffy and the crew no longer need saving then because big mom was already luffy enemy from when he challenged her on Fishman island so couldn't gained big mom as a emeny then if they should respect the hierarchy then nami shouldn't be hitting the captain or first mate through out the series
The situation with Luffy and Usopp had nothing to do with Warrior Code. It was about having respect for your leader. Imagine one of your co-workers starts talking shit and gets into a fight with your manager, resulting in him being fired. Even if they were best friends, how would you feel if he just got re-hired without having to apologize or redeem himself? If he can do it then everyone else will follow suit and the business crashes because no one has respect for the manager.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though. I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
I think it would have felt more fulfilling if Oda had showed more than just showing Usopp lowering his head a little bit, crying some tears, and saying sorry, because anyone can just say an apology and fake it as much as they can without truly meaning it, right?
@@jeerz8051 But what Zoro said is not something to be disagreed with, nor was it an opinion - it's a fact of life. No matter who was wrong in that situation, Usopp decided to challenge the captain and he was supposed to commit himself to the outcome, no matter what. What they're doing isn't a childish kid game, so they can't keep trusting somebody who would just challenge the captain on a whim and worst of all try and pretend like it never happened.
Usopp himself left the gang because he did not accept the captain decision even when he knew that merry was done. So why the gang have to ask him to come back? Definitely not.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and telling Usopp to get off the ship, which he immoderately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after he said that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends and family as well just as they respect yours.
zoro’s point is more about the respect, usopp lost respect to luffy’s decision to change ship so he challenged him. like zoro said a crew that doesn’t respect their captain is going to fall, that’s why he wants usopp to apologize, since apologizing is a sign of respect to another person. Also apologize not to losing the battle against luffy but apologize to not respecting luffy’s decision, the captain’s decision.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
DaiGamerHD luffy doesn’t care about that, and they always goofy, but when luffy decides about something they always follow his lead since he’s their captain. That’s why the other were kinda cool about luffy buying another boat even though they feel the pain like usopp.
He didn't need to apologize for losing their duel, Usopp needed to apologize for how he disrespected Luffy, and left the crew for his own selfish reasons. He knew the the Going Merry was too damaged to go on, and he was being stubborn with that, and he let his feelings cloud his judgment. Zoro definitely showed he's Vice Captain in that scene
Usopp was in the wrong for sure, there's no doubt about that. He was the one who left the crew. He was the one who disrespected the captain and challenged him to a duel. Luffy did almost tell him to leave but he immediately stopped himself and apologised.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
In the end it's about Luffy being the captain, who should be obeyed. Zoro's point was that you can't just leave and come back like it's a game - doing so would result in the crew members underestimating the captain's authority and fortitude. They're still a pirate crew. Anything personal between Luffy and Ussop as friends is something different entirely.
And it’s not just blind obedience like obeying a Nazi captain either. If Luffy had been that sort of captain, even Zoro and the others would have realized that early on, but that wasn’t the case, and Usopp had definitely saw Luffy as a captain worthy of respect and friendship, which makes it all the more astonishing that Usopp had wrongfully/irresponsibly let his insecurities/negativity push that aside.
Exactly Luffy didn't force the crewmates to give him respect, he earned the respect of his crewmates because of what he did for them to be able to follow their own dreams as the captain. So to not give respect to him back and just treat it like nothing, is wrong on principle, regardless of the context that lead to it happening.
I see you only see this as friends disagreeing. But this is a crewmate challenging his captain for his position basically. I wanna know if you all would want whitebeard to apologize to Blackbeard for his actions as well
@@christhefiend fax bruh. I have only watched 520 episodes of one piece and will surely continue after sometime and I completely agree with you. Whitebeard and Blackbeard's case was totally different. In my opinion i disagree with the whole apology thing. Now most of the people may disagree but again it's my opinion. Zoro is my second favorite straw hat but i don't agree with him.
Actually this was quite annoying for me when the audience, especially the two of them, failed to understand Oda's hidden intentions for Zoro's characterization. Basically it's all about respecting each other's decisions even if it's hard to accept them. And for me Zoro's characterization here was very successful, so that it made the crew solid again. And restating that what they have been doing so far is not just playing pirates, but being true pirates. And how dare they compare the fight between Zoro-Mihawk and Luffy-Usop. The two fights are much different. Where Zoro's fight is about being number one in the world, while Usop's fight is about differences of opinion between crewmates and to protect his friend, Merry. These two battles are basically incomparable. Well, in general, still a good reaction video, especially on the Ace against Blackbeard. It's just that, in the future to better understand the story and its hidden meaning.
Luffy got that scar under his eye by stabbing himself with a knife to show his bravery to shanks, this was shown in chapter one of the manga but got left out of the anime for some reason
I think everyone is missing the point of the duel from Usopp’s perspective. Usopp went into it KNOWING he’d lose. He did it because otherwise Luffy wouldn’t let him leave. Usopp basically forced him into kicking him out because he felt like he’d hold the crew back because he’s too weak to keep up (Usopp says all this during the argument). This is backed by two things: 1. Usopp told Franky he already knew the Merry couldn’t be fixed. When Franky asked why he’d fight his captain then, Usopp just said it was complicated. 2. Usopp’s speech to Robin on the train, a crew member can’t leave the crew without the captain’s permission.
Exactly everybody is so hungry for Zoro saying a couple of lines. I agree with what was said to a certain point, Zoro also disrespected Luffy at Whiskey Peak. Zoro seemed to have forgotten that he picked a fight with luffy over Vivi's well being. Usopp was probably the most disrespected in this arc because people think he was selfish and refuse to budge on it.
1:22 LYCAN this is how a lot of us feel about Skypeia! The world building in OP is the greatest and I'm glad you feel this way. For me Skypeia just felt like a pause on the story in hindsight but during Skypeia it was amazing. Happy for you to get to the next few arcs my favorite is coming up and man Oda makes the world come alive on the next level.
The main thing that stood out to me about Zoro’s talk was that anyone that just comes and goes, how can you really put your trust in them and fight along side them. And that’s when Sanji agreed.
its crazy to me that u saw it as zoro making usopp beg but in reality he knows that usopp coming back just like that isnt right even for usopp, like imagine how would usopp feel if he came back without apologizing... without facing reality.
Zoro is just pointing out that despite all of them sharing the same ship and being friends utmost, they are pirates and Luffy is the captain which deserves respect. Usopp going against the crews decision and to top it off challenged the captain to make a stand with his decision is what Zoro's pointing out.
main thing is that Usopp found it that easy to leave the crew as if it meant nothing to him, its not a public booth where you can go in and come out as you please.
Been waiting to see how AMENZ would react to this P.S. The Four Emperors/Yonko (which WhiteBeard and Shanks are) are consider the closest to being the next King of Pirates
It was more about the hierarchy of the ship and what it means to be a captain etc, not just Zoro thinking he should apologize for losing a fight or something
Usopp knew the ship wasn't gonna make it. Its kinda the reason I wanted you guys to watch the g8 arc. From they fell from skypiea and he went under and put on the jet dials he knew the keel was real bad. Only him was repairing the merry from the start
Ya'll I really cannot believe you missed the whole entire point of Zoro on this one it completely flew over your head; I think you really need to go back and rewatch the whole beginning of the arc to understand what Zoro meant Bruh I'm chocked
I love that you guys really liked Skypeia! I, along with many others didn't like that arc as much as others. But I gotta say, over time you appreciate Skypeia more and more. There's a ton of world building in Skypeia, but you aren't given the tools to know it back then.
Zoro was 100% right. Respect the caption. Luffy wasnt wrong at all from the start. Ussop was 100% wrong from start to finish. Everyone was sad about the ship not just him. Hes in the wrong.
there is information about the fact that the island where Tich and ACE fought is still covered with fire and darkness or rather one half is all on fire and the other in darkness
You can't disrespect the captain. The captain is the pillar. You will know that as you see more captains later, well best example is Roger. Letting someone disrespectful to the captain in the crew is bad, just look at teach, he killed a crewmate on whitebeard ship.
It wasnt about the duel, it was what the duel was based on. And Zorro was right, they aren't playing pirates. Challenging your captain to an unfriendly duel means something, especially when you're in the wrong To let him back without apology would make the whole pirate hierarchy meaningless, even if they were just friends, that's a bad precedent to set for that you can pick these kind of fights and dip then comeback without issue. Zorro said he had except the consequences of the duel. Leaving the crew was the consequence, admiting he was wrong was a compromise
You say Luffy should have apologized to Usopp first, but he did. He literally gave the Merry to him even though Usopp lost the duel. That pity was his apology. So with that in mind, if a duel like that had no consequences at all then the duel would have no meaning.
If you want to know why Luffy has a scar under his eye read chapter 1 of the manga as the reason was censored out(cut entirely)in the anime. It might be shown in “Episode of East Blue” but I don’t quite remember.
I feel like you guys missed the point on that Zoro's scene. What Zoro was trying to say has nothing to do with his warrior code, it has everything to do with Mutual respect and their reason to be a crew in the first place. Luffy could've went better about Merry but these decisions are not easy and as the Captain he has to make choices. First: Why did Zoro join Luffy? Because he respects Luffy's choice to live freely and follow his dreams no matter how hard it is. He said that he will fight his hardest to become the greatest swordsman because his CAPTAIN needs no less than that, He calls Luffy the king of pirate before Luffy even achieves it because he believes in Luffy that much. (Back when he first lost to Hawkeye). This man devoted his loyalty and life to his friend. Second: MEANING that anyone who is on the crew must also have the same amount of respect for each other, especially towards the Captain, who brought them all together and gave them all a reason to live. Like Zoro said, this is not a Disney princess Ride or some theme park slide, they are putting their lives on the line to live the way they want and achieve the dreams they have. If at any point they lose respect for each other and get too comfortable by talking shit to each other then they are nothing more than a bunch of idiots. Third: Zoro said that Luffy cannot forgive Usopp easily, not because Usopp lost, but because he was willing to disrespectful the one man he needs to respect and fight him on a whim. Just like how Zoro respects Luffy so much he's willing to become his first crewmate and fight for Luffy's dream, Usopp was willing to throw it away his respect and dedication towards Luffy just because he was butthurt about Merry. Fourth: Zoro respects Luffy as a captain and as a friend, if Luffy allows someone to step over him so easily with the excuse of "were friends", then Zoro has no reason to respect Luffy anymore. Zoro allowed himself to get beat up along with Luffy because they were laughed at for talking about the Sky Island, this man believes in Luffy so much that he doesn't even talk shit to him when Luffy allows idiots to hit him, why? Because they are bigger than mumbling idiots. Bad guys can disrespectful Luffy's dreams but for him to let Usopp, a crewmate who is like family, disrespect him so easily and still forgive him is like taking a shit on Zoro and the rest of the crew. If Luffy allows Usopp to come back without any changes, he's gonna act the same, thinks he can leave and go whenever which will only make him lose respect for Luffy. SAYING that they are just kids and don't know any better is so disrespectful to everything they stand for. It's like that scene from The Office. Michael finally tells Stanley that even though Stanley doesn't like Michael, he still demands respect because he's the boss and you just can't walk over your boss or you might as well not have one. Michael is like Luffy, he messes around and has fun which makes everyone too comfortable sometimes and that allows them to just walk over him. If you are upset by what Zoro says then you have never had a real talk. It's not about Luffy being better than they are, it's that they all joined to become better and to fight for each other, not to fuck around and play Fortnite THIS is why you love Usopp so much even though he's a wuss sometimes, he has grown so much and can stand on his own now because he grew from this. Even he knew that he had to apologize because he easily threw out his love and respect for Luffy like it was nothing. He has become such a badass like Zoro in his own right.
45:46 the translation should be "you, who have lived the human life twice, should know the rules" and it is one of the most talked about dialogues in the fandom because of what blackbeard does in the future.
Honestly, Zoro is completely right on this, how can you ignore his argument, and say he is wrong. Specially after Usopp assumed they had to be grateful for him wanting to come back, he was like "oh i come back if you name me vice-captain" and shit like that. Plus, its not the fact he lost the duel, its because if he wanted to duel, he had to accept the ocnsequences, and just dueling against its captain is an act of disrespect and insubordinance. Luffy coming back to invite ussop to the crew, would mean its okay for the subordinates to go against the Captain's will and its okay to disrespect him. That is why Usopp could not join unless he apologized for his disrespect. Zoro was just trying to keep order within the crew and the ship
He didn't have to beg like that he ended up begging like that cause it was almost too late he had all this time after the fight to apologise to his captain that he challenged to a duel over an order he didn't agree with. No matter if you're friends or not if you're in like a company or in this case a pirate crew insubordination is a no go
The point zoro tries to prove is, this ain't no pirate game, u can't just come and go as u pleased, coz u r not gonna survive. And secondly u can't be disrespectful towards ur Captain.
The way you guys are talking about the comparison to skypiea and enies lobby in terms of hype is how every fan of OP felt at one point or another. When you least expect Oda to surprise you he does. Less than 5% of fans can even begin to pick up on hints of what Oda is laying down before it happens. That being said you guys have some very exceptional and entertaining guesses here and there. Glad you both are enjoying it.
Usopp literally pulled a mutiny against his captain, cut all ties with the crew, said they didn’t need weak friends like him, accused him of throwing away those who weren’t useful, said he was going to take the ship and set sail without them. It is a code with Zoro, but the duel wasn’t the center of it. It was a matter of disrespect and Usopp made his choices. The duel was just the height of what he did. It was a direct challenge against the captain for control of the ship. You also have to remember Usopp held his own in that fight, and really messed Luffy up.
You’all have to understand, the crew system is not about equality, it’s about letting the best part of you shine. Luffy is captain and that means he’s the leader. Luffy can’t do anything else tho, just protect his crew. That’s his role. Ussop is the best sniper, but he’s under luffy.
exactly, Aside from luffy who is captain, a hierarchy shouldn't exist because Zoro may be a swordsman, but he isn't as important to the crew as Nami, but the same can be reversed, Nami can Navigate, but can't really fight. the crew has no hierarchy other than luffy who is the captain. because if that was the case Zoro would have no importance to the crew aside from extra strength. his only real job in the crew is just to be an extra warrior, and take charge when luffy can't.
Last time for a long time talking about it. Luffy and Usopp were both in the wrong in the initial fight. Usopp didn't explain his point well (and was projecting himself onto the ship), didn't listen to Luffy's reasoning (which Nami and Zoro were able to backup) and started to insult Luffy. Luffy let Usopp's words get to him and let his anger boil over, stopping just short (thanks to Sanji striking him) of telling Usopp to leave the crew. There was a half second where Luffy starts to apologize, but Usopp cuts him off and insists on leaving the crew and fighting Luffy for the Merry. That's where Usopp ruined things. Usopp didn't agree with the captain? Okay sure that'll happen in a crew, even one this small and tight knit, have an argument and say what you need to. Usopp leaving the crew? Well, that's a really heavy decision to make in a moment of anger, but it's his life and if he's willing to live with the consequences, it's fine even if it's sad. Usopp challenges Luffy for the Merry? Fine, but now we're talking about things that can't be undone. Usopp wants back in the crew? Can't just pretend that other shit didn't happen, you gotta apologize and ask to be let back on. Even if you don't think you were wrong, you can't disrupt the crew and cause all of that emotional turmoil, then waltz back in with a goofy laugh and say you didn't mean it. You gotta acknowledge what you did, acknowledge that you regret it or that it was a mistake, and then ask permission to rejoin. It's not a crew, otherwise. It's just some people on a boat doing whatever they want.
Facts. If Usopp didn't feel as though he was in the wrong, he wouldn't have came back. He may have assisted to save Robin, but that's where it would have stopped. After Robin was safe, he would figure out his own way in the world. He came back, so he knows that he was wrong.
He didn't not say that Usopp's gotta apologize because HE LOST, it's because he challenged him in the first place. And then he wanted to come back as if nothing even happened. It's not kids playing pirates. yes there were some faults on Luffy as well; like how he told him about merry, how he wanted to kick him out. But 90% its on Ussop and he wanted to forget that without even apologizing. No respect shown to the captain whatsoever.
Ace is my favorite too, but Zoro is up there for sure. They are both real ones. Law is badass too. I’m looking forward to how y’all react to him in the near future.
It's one thing for Luffy to say "Leave the crew" but another for Usopp to actually leave but then challenge the CAPTAIN to a duel. Luffy clearly was wrong to say what he did but Usopp CHOSE to leave. What's worse is Usopp never intended to apologize until he was basically forced to. I 100% agree with Zoro in that episode. The captain can't just handle his crew like they're "kids playing pirates" whenever someone wants to leave they can and be let back. It's an unsaid rule that each crew mate is willing to die for another so treating "leaving the crew" as something that's no big deal like how Luffy was going to accept Usopp back without Usopp apologizing was something Zoro saw that needed to corrected.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though. I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
The reason Ussop was the one to apologize was because he not only left the crew he disrespected Luffy as his captain. (also he didn't have to beg he did that by himself) You have to recognize what it means to leave a pirate crew especially like that and what it means to be the captain, like Zoro said they aren't playing pirates if Luffy just forgave Ussop that would make him a weak captain and what's to stop anyone else from disrespecting him like that (not saying they would) I see where you're coming from that both of them needed to apologize but Luffy was making a decision as the captain and Ussop completely disrespected him by not only leaving the crew but also by challenging Luffy to a duel, that cemented his resignation of being a Straw Hat Pirate so Luffy has no reason to apologize if Ussop wanted to be forgiven that's what he needed to do
Luffy got his scar in the manga that basically came before the main story I guess. He stabbed himself to prove he was tough to shanks. You can watch it if you google it( they animated it ) its called romance of dawn or romance of dawn ova idk.
I think zoro was more upset about how easily usopp left the crew rather than him asking for a duel against Luffy and that's why he wanted usopp to apologize.
Like many others already pointed out: Usopp was heavioy disrespectimg the captain. And what's more: Before that he was trying to pressure Luffy into a decision that would have compromised the safety of the entire crew. Usopp was in the wrong, he was disrespectful and stubborn, he had to apologize and beg to be let back on the crew.
Being a pirate crew is like running a company When someone disrespects the CEO, challenges the ownership of the company because of conflict of interest, and ended up fired That person can't just claim "I want back in the company" and the boss can't just say "a'ight, you back in" because it loses the weight and intergrity of the company if anyone can just leave and go back in like its nothing Just as zoro said. They're not playing a pirate game. Their dreams are on the line, and luffy leads them to it. Usopp disrespected that.
Bruh thats not a warrior code thats just common sense. In any institution in life u cannot disrespect the leader and expect to go back like nothing happened. And that is especially true for a pirate. A captain must command respect
nah for real g's, everyone be talking about the zoro part and how they disagree with you, all I can say is please pay more attention to dialogue both of you, in the last 10 episodes I noticed you let a lot of things slide, awsome reactions tho thanks for sharing. also 38:41 ROFL
@@L4C3-L4 One thing I can say about the Bros, is sometimes the conclusions they come to irk my nerves. I be "where did you come up with that from?" but I'm current with the show, so it's probably my perspective from the future looking back at it all.
38:40 Remember doctor kureha has the face of 100+ year old, but she has the physical body of a 20 year old. So too be fair if you put a bag on her head she a baddie 🤷🏽♂️
The real reasoning wasnt so much for loosing the battle but because it was the captain's order that usopp didnt want to follow, so much so that he challenged the captain to the battle. It was more on what Zoro said right after the Luffy and Usopp's duel. "That's the burden of being a captain. If you waver, who can we trust." Its a pure respect thing, I blame the translation for making it seem like was bc usopp lost the duel.
I'll remember this video for when they get to later arcs. This was an amazing arc and really made One Piece one of my favorite anime but the subsequent arcs made One Piece my absolute favorite anime.
So hype bro 🔥 🐉 Also, Zoro is the vice-captain (not officially tho). Since He knows that Luffy isn’t the type to “discipline” his subordinate, he knows it’s his job to step up and call out Luffy on it.
Zoro didn't even call for "discipline." Zoro said: 1. When Usopp decided to challenge Luffy for the Merry, that they would leave the results to the duel and respect it. Funny thing is, even though Usopp lost, Luffy still gave him the Merry. Primarily because the Straw Hats couldn't do anything with it, so it wouldn't make a point to keep it, and the Merry itself would be too big a reminder of Usopp. Might as well let him have and do what he will with it. 2. When the idea of Usopp coming back to the crew was brought up, Zoro said it would be best if Usopp returned but only if he apologized. Nothing about disciplining him. If Usopp could man up and admit fault, the crew would forgive and forget. 3. When Usopp finally manned up and apologize, he was promptly brought back to the ship, and the situation was never brought up again. Usopp learned from his mistake, and the pay off came post-timeskip in Fishman Island when an enemy tried to make Usopp feel insecure or too weak to be a Straw Hat. Combined with Sanji's speech at Ennies Lobby, Usopp finally came to terms with who he was to the Straw Hats, and what value he brings to the crew. That, after all, was the root cause of the whole situation: Usopp didn't see his own worth as the Sniper of the Straw Hats.
A lot of these comments talking about the functions of the code, but Luffy still should have had to apologize to Ussop too. That's on friendship and relationships.
Lycan this isn't like most anime where the MC is the leader because he's the MC. Luffy is the CAPTAIN, BOSS, MANAGER etc. You wouldn't challenge your manager at work to a fist fight because of a disagreement and still expect to have a job would ya?
What zoro was saying was a little bit all over the place. For what I can gather what zoro really meant was usopp, as a crew mate, disrespected their captain and decided to leave on his accord, then even challenged luffy for a duel. For ussop to come back, he can not just whealsle himself back to the team. You can notice since water 7, zoro has been pushing luffy to take on the leadership role and carry the responsibility of "captain's orders". And this leadership dynamic absolutely can not be broken in a pirate crew. As for the luffy/usopp argument, it doesn't matter who was right or wrong. Their were both out of the line.
Zoro is talking about the fact that Usopp's talking against the captain's word. If the captain falls back on his own word, then anyone can step over him and he loses the respect the title should have.
Remember when Sasuke blamed and left the village, and how all villagers were trying to bring him back. This is One Piece we don't do that here, we are not playing childish pirate game where you can disrespect your captain.
Tbh it's even just simple close friendship code, if you choose to follow it. If you disrespect someone by throwing low jabs and leaving and starting a fight, apologise if you want to make up. I personally think if you allow anyone to walk all over you it's gonna bite you back later on. Feel like there's some history here personally to why there was a disagreement to what Zoro said, but each to their own I suppose. But this scene has helped me figure out in my life whose actually got my back. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's worked for me so far I feel.
The Luffy ussop shit iconic, ussop the first one to try the captain and this is pirate crew bonding at its finest...remember what Zoro said they not playing “pirate games”..y’all going to hear a beast say that shit post time skip
Its not just the battle tho. Ussop was disrespecting his captain to the point that he would duel him. The crew still has a hierarchy and needs to respect it.
Asian Spaghett I feel like Zoro said it enough times to really make the point but I guess not
Right. Why they keep mentioning duel. When he only said it one time. It’s more about the respect. They got it all wrong. 🙄
Exactly!! Lol
Yeah, this is it. You can't just disrespect the captain like Usopp did.
@@dweblinveltz5035 true, if this wasn't the strawhats, the crew would be dead if disobey the captain's order
Bruh Luffy is the captain
thats what Zoro saying
The captain is NOT the one who apologize
The captain CANNOT be disrespected by the crewmates
The captain is NOT the one who goes to invite back the crewmate who disrespected him and left the crew.
And also the main issue was not the lost duel by itself, but the fact, that they couldnt just talk away the fact that usopp lost a duel and left the crew.
If usopp didn't appologize him rejoining without any consequences would leave some bad blood in the crew makeing "leaving the crew" not that serious of what it is.
On the other hand he had to still respect his captain.
EXACTLY
Lycan was trippin and couldn’t accept the fact that usopp was in the wrong and that luffy is to be respected
yeah its not about bushido code or anything lycan was trippin
so shouldn't it also be the Captain's choice to allow someone back in their crew without apologizing?
Dude, Usopp didn't have to apologize for losing the duel he had to apologize for disrespecting the crew hierarchy and challenging the captain's position. If you have someone who can step on your leadership any time he pleases without any disregards to whose feelings he is actually hurting and then come back as if nothing ever happened, then you in reality does not command respect. That was what Zoro meant when he said the crew could fall apart.
Thank you; Can't be disrespecting the captain and leave, and then try to finesse your way back into the crew and try to act like nothing ever happened. You have to own up to your mistake and apologize for it. If he was right about leaving the crew he wouldn't have bothered coming back but since he was rehearsing to find a good script as to how to be accepted again back in the crew that means he understood his mistake and is trying to correct it, so the least you can do after realising you made a mistake is apologizing. Zoro is right.
The "rehearsing the script part" was what killed everything. It meant that Usopp wanted to come back but wouldn't apologize or worse, he would act as if nothing ever happened hoping that everybody would forget it. That's not a man's attitude, if he was trying to squeeze out of the sittuation that means he knew he was wrong but was to prideful to apologize.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
@@Kevo_-qu2wo Facts
I thought they were friends before captain and underlings.
I understand why you would disagree, but in all actuality there was no other way for usopp to come back to the crew other than apologizing. Think about it, no matter how you look at it luffy is the captain the one who is in charge of his crew. Thus being a captain he requires respect and loyalty, it doesn't matter if said captain is even a knuckle head totally agree with eveything that zoro had said. Usopp was the one that challenged his CAPTAIN and the result was that he lost. Usopp wasn't challenging his crewmate but the one who is in charge of it. It isn't just about zoro's code, its about the principle. Usopp lost and he had to deal with the consequences. Lastly, how else would you accept someone back into a crew who challenged and disrespected your capatin, especially when that someone aka usopp is trying to forget the duel ever happend and is trying to finesse his way back into the crew without admitting his wrongs. Just my thoughts
Cencere Richardson yes 💯 agree. I think they forgot that is not just group of friends, it’s a ship with a captain: Luffy is the leader Zorro it’s not about bushido stuff it’s just respect the fucking hierarchy you CANNOT challenge your captain. Zorro is there to remind them it’s not a childish thing it’s pirates adventure so Zorro was absolut right
@@miriotogata5853 Thats a fact, lycan and Amenz have to remember that the straw hats are indeed friends and comrades, but at the same time they have to respect the captain no matter what. Friendship and all has to be put aside when dealing with the hierarchy of the ship.
@@cencererichardson6704 other moments in one piece beg to differ. BEWARE BECAUSE OF ME A LOT OF THE COMMENTS BELOW ARE SPOILERS SO SPOILERS BELOW.
Couldn’t have said it better myself they’re favoriting Usopp way to much the they refuse to see that Usopp was completely in the wrong and that he disrespected his captain
@@LegendsForever206 this is my problem with one piece oda sacrifices consistency for the plot
Zoro: "If the first thing that comes from his mouth ain't an apology, we don't take him back and that's final"
Luffy: "K seems only fair"
Usopp: "[a bunch of bullshit that ain't an apology]"
Zoro and Luffy: "We didn't hear anything. Doesn't count."
Zoro was harsh on his decision but lenient when it came to executing it. He and Luffy purposefully ignored Usopp's usual lies waiting for his eventual apology.
Another thing people don't realize about Zoro. He wanted Usopp to come back as well. Every bit as much as Luffy or Nami or anyone else. That's why Usopp was given the opportunity to realize that HE COULD BE LEFT BEHIND and see the severity, rather than let him figure out when the Sunny Coup-De-Bursted the hell out of there. Once Usopp manned up and apologized, he was on the ship within seconds.
Zoro didn’t want him to apologize for losing the duel, but for disrespecting his captain. That was his whole reason for his speech.
That's the point.. 👍👍
Its often overlooked, even though it didn't do anything, Van Argur literally shot twice. One in the chest and on in the forehead.
This man goes for the kill no question
he's kinda underrated tho
Actually he shots ace 3 times first the chest quickly follow by a head shot and a second later a third shot in the gut, you can even see the three separate hits indicated by the flames torrents that are created when he gets hit, there are three separated streams as seen in 46:15
@@shardofice This guy saw it. I love that in this exchange even Blackbeard's crew showed a lot of talent, even if they couldn't hurt Ace.
Imagine Van Argur has learned Haki for his bullets in the timeskip, thats craaazzy
Auger vs Usopp gonna be crazy
It was Ussop's choice to leave the crew and now Ussop is apologizing for leaving the crew and challenging his captain. To me, Ussop is at fault here and Luffy forgave him.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
@@electricmastro I could come up with some bull crap about why Luffy was very abrupt to Ussop about leaving the Merry. Yeah it was also Luffy's fault for the money since Ussop should've had backup but the Merry was beyond repair right after Skypiea. Luffy knew after learning the truth about the Merry's condition that Ussop wouldn't take the news lightly. Luffy shared the truth and Ussop became defensive. It was his pride and disbelief in people which drove him to leave and challenge Luffy. Luffy is still learning on being a captain so it would be hard for him to understand his crew mates in bad times but at least he apologized, Ussop didnt(at that moment). He left the crew on his own and fought Luffy not as friends but as enemies. So ultimately Ussop was the one who wanted to come back to crew. All his actions which drove him out of the crew, he had to make them right and apologize. If Ussop didnt do that, I wont blame Luffy for leaving him. Let's make this clear, I said "Ussop is at fault here" I didnt say no one else was at fault. I highlighted Ussop because the episodes were about Ussop and his apology. Of course its other people's fault but I wont go into detail since you've seen the episodes, you know what happens. I'd like to add some thoughts about Zoro's importance in the crew. They wouldn't have made it past Arlong park without him and yeah that's all I have to say.
@@donii7092 Your response definitely leaves a lot more room for nuance as opposed to passive-aggressively shutting off the conversation at “Luffy was right in everything while Usopp was wrong in everything.” Even Zoro mentioned that who’s right and who’s wrong didn’t matter, but even if it did, and with Usopp admitting he was wrongful about how he handled his insecurities and maliciously lashed out not only at Luffy and saying Chopper isn’t his friend anymore, that both of them realized that the Merry was a living nakama who was weakening, but that letting it go the way they did wouldn’t be the same as abandonment. I think it’s that sort of realization that eventually helped Usopp finally apologize and for Luffy to readily accept him back as someone who respects the feelings of others, and not just his own.
@@electricmastro In the eyes of Ussop, Luffy is abandoning Merry, a nakama for a new ship. In the eyes of Luffy, Ussop needs to accept the reality that they cannot repair Merry. I don't think I highlighted Luffy as the "Good guy" and Ussop the bad one. Ussop's ideals during Water 7 did not align with Luffy's. When ideals dont align then there will be oppositions and eventually misunderstandings from both ends. Water 7 would have ended smoothly had Ussop accepted reality faster but since Oda is Goda the whole crew got to see what Ussop was defending. But that doesn't mean that Ussop is forgiven, he still left the crew and fought his captain. Luffy was ready to accept Ussop but as Zoro said "this is no little pirate game" that they're playing. "To me, Ussop is at fault-for his actions-and Luffy forgave him".
Absolutely and ussop admits it himself
How did they completely miss what Zoro was saying? It had nothing to do with Zoro's code but the respect for your captain and his crew. It's like Zoro said, they're not "playing" at being pirates. You can't just come and go as you please. You can't challenge your captain to a duel, leave the crew and then decide to just come back as if nothing happened. Imagine if everyone decided to leave the crew because they didn't agree with their captains decision and then just pranced back on whenever they felt like it without any repercussions. Luffy, as captain, would become a joke. There'd be absolutely no respect for him what-so-ever. I just don't see how they completely misunderstood that.
Bro WE GET IT. It was just harsh & we know Usopp’s motivation also made sense. I hate people like you that just BASH IN the fact that Usopp was in the wrong, & act like he would ever leave the ship again, this was one specific instance. Honestly, I would’ve preferred if they had waited until Usopp reached the ship & then forced him to apologize or they’d leave in his face.
@@christhefiend nobody is bashing in anything here. Yeah this was one instance but who's to say that it wouldn't happen again. Or that another crew member does the same thing or something similar because Usopp suffered no repercussions when he returned to the ship. Luffy is the captain. He's earned their respect several times over. Usopp challenge him to a duel and lost. On most ships it's a done deal. He's out of there. He can't just waltz back in as if nothing happened. It's disrespectful to Luffy.
TML Froggy Give me one instance in the story that would’ve caused someone to feel the emotional impact that Usopp felt about his hometown ship getting destroyed? The Straw Hats all respect Luffy, but this was a rare case. I still feel like they should’ve waited & had him decide to their faces.
@@christhefiend I understand what you're saying. I really do. It's just that you don't want to start some kind of trend or I guess precedent. Dueling your captain is an extremely serious offence I would think in the pirate world. It can't be taken lightly or other offences would look like a cake walk afterwards. Look, I love Usopp but in this instance I really believe that he needed to show some kind of remorse for challenging Luffy. For so blatantly going against the captains orders.
TML Froggy I mean I guess.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
that was not only directed for ussop tho but to the crew as well.
@@BlackLegASTRO Wouldn’t doubt that. If you expect people to respect your feelings and life, including overcoming your insecurities, then it’s only natural for you to respect the feelings and lives of others as well.
Usopp rejoin the crew is the only moment I have ever cry, it hit me personally. This moment really inspires me, it no doubts that apologies ( even if you not even wrong in the first place or half right) or speak want really inside you are better than lying. I was 12 at that time and learned to not lie through one piece lol
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*GOD USOP*
zorotards
Something told me go get food and chill at home..leaving the drive thru and I get this post notification. This just made my Sunday.
Lmao I feel that
On my life
Bro exactly
Its Wednesday though.
Im obviously joking
@@Dragawh *joke failed successfully*
Honestly, it’s a matter of respect for your leader. Luffy’s goal is the most powerful and ambitious of the lot, and he’s the captain of the crew. The crew needs to show their captain some respect and if they go against him like Usopp did then they need to apologize. It’s a hard truth but Zoro is pretty much the second in command so he’s got to be the one to say it. Luffy was impulsive too, and talking it out is gonna be important. But the apology is a matter of hierarchy. The duel was so important in Zoro’s speech cuz it was a major event of challenging the authority of the captain. Since Usopp challenged Luffy, he’s gotta love with the result and the insult to Luffy that challenge means
that was not only directed for ussop tho but to the crew as well.
Only read if past whole cake island
Did sanji apologize to luffy when he fought him?
@@blazenkai7435 That was more of an extenuating circumstance. He did not necessarily leave of his own volition, but to protect everybody else.
@@blazenkai7435 yes he does but it wasn't really necessary
@@ICavalcadeI I understand why he left to save the rest of the crew on zou but when luffy came he still fought luffy and the crew no longer need saving then because big mom was already luffy enemy from when he challenged her on Fishman island so couldn't gained big mom as a emeny then if they should respect the hierarchy then nami shouldn't be hitting the captain or first mate through out the series
The situation with Luffy and Usopp had nothing to do with Warrior Code. It was about having respect for your leader. Imagine one of your co-workers starts talking shit and gets into a fight with your manager, resulting in him being fired. Even if they were best friends, how would you feel if he just got re-hired without having to apologize or redeem himself? If he can do it then everyone else will follow suit and the business crashes because no one has respect for the manager.
100% right
Yeah they're in their feels, it had nothing to do with the duel and everything to do with Ussop disrespecting Luffy.
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
I think it would have felt more fulfilling if Oda had showed more than just showing Usopp lowering his head a little bit, crying some tears, and saying sorry, because anyone can just say an apology and fake it as much as they can without truly meaning it, right?
Business is a bit different to compare to than a pirate's crew. Pirate's crew is ride or die
Impressive that you completely ignored Zoro's entire point.
i listened and i dont agree
@@jeerz8051 why
@@rtaronic4929 I disagree because zoro literally did the same before. Minus leaving the crew.
Zoro did what before? Disagree with Luffy?
@@jeerz8051 stop spamming stupid comments dude you are everywhere do you have something better to do?
They didn't even pay attention to what Zorro was saying lol.
i did and i still dont agree
@@jeerz8051 Feelings over logic.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 nah more like consistency
@@rainofkhandaq6678 y'all act like everyone who disagrees with zoro just didn't think about it. I don't even like ussop.
@@jeerz8051 But what Zoro said is not something to be disagreed with, nor was it an opinion - it's a fact of life. No matter who was wrong in that situation, Usopp decided to challenge the captain and he was supposed to commit himself to the outcome, no matter what. What they're doing isn't a childish kid game, so they can't keep trusting somebody who would just challenge the captain on a whim and worst of all try and pretend like it never happened.
Usopp himself left the gang because he did not accept the captain decision even when he knew that merry was done. So why the gang have to ask him to come back? Definitely not.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and telling Usopp to get off the ship, which he immoderately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him. That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after he said that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends and family as well just as they respect yours.
@@electricmastro Ye, in fact doesn't matter who was right. I think Zoro said this. At the moment Usopp challenge the captain this is it.
zoro’s point is more about the respect, usopp lost respect to luffy’s decision to change ship so he challenged him. like zoro said a crew that doesn’t respect their captain is going to fall, that’s why he wants usopp to apologize, since apologizing is a sign of respect to another person. Also apologize not to losing the battle against luffy but apologize to not respecting luffy’s decision, the captain’s decision.
leon kastilyo he said that while pulling luffy's face like a toy ?😂
Totally Agreed. That's make me confusing.. why they focus on battle stuff lol
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
@@electricmastro Yeah, it's complicated enough.. One of many reasons why we, especially me, love One Piece.
DaiGamerHD luffy doesn’t care about that, and they always goofy, but when luffy decides about something they always follow his lead since he’s their captain. That’s why the other were kinda cool about luffy buying another boat even though they feel the pain like usopp.
He didn't need to apologize for losing their duel, Usopp needed to apologize for how he disrespected Luffy, and left the crew for his own selfish reasons. He knew the the Going Merry was too damaged to go on, and he was being stubborn with that, and he let his feelings cloud his judgment. Zoro definitely showed he's Vice Captain in that scene
Facts
Garp took off his coat because he didnt do that as marine officer..but as grandpa.
Usopp was in the wrong for sure, there's no doubt about that. He was the one who left the crew. He was the one who disrespected the captain and challenged him to a duel. Luffy did almost tell him to leave but he immediately stopped himself and apologised.
Nah luffy want to said "leave the crew" to usop and sanji kick luffy to stop him
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
Luffy didnt stop anything , Sanji kicked the stupidity out him but Ussop knew what he meant which made him want to leave even more .
@@electricmastro why are you explaining the whole story? We all saw it.
Hundred Blades Because he was giving his piece on it too asshole.
In the end it's about Luffy being the captain, who should be obeyed. Zoro's point was that you can't just leave and come back like it's a game - doing so would result in the crew members underestimating the captain's authority and fortitude. They're still a pirate crew. Anything personal between Luffy and Ussop as friends is something different entirely.
And it’s not just blind obedience like obeying a Nazi captain either. If Luffy had been that sort of captain, even Zoro and the others would have realized that early on, but that wasn’t the case, and Usopp had definitely saw Luffy as a captain worthy of respect and friendship, which makes it all the more astonishing that Usopp had wrongfully/irresponsibly let his insecurities/negativity push that aside.
Exactly Luffy didn't force the crewmates to give him respect, he earned the respect of his crewmates because of what he did for them to be able to follow their own dreams as the captain. So to not give respect to him back and just treat it like nothing, is wrong on principle, regardless of the context that lead to it happening.
I see you only see this as friends disagreeing. But this is a crewmate challenging his captain for his position basically.
I wanna know if you all would want whitebeard to apologize to Blackbeard for his actions as well
It’s not like Usopp killed anyone goofball.
@@christhefiend disobeying a captain’s order is still betrayal
@@juanthadon86 Cry me a damn ocean. Since when do the Straw Hats ever act like actual pirates?
@@christhefiend fax bruh. I have only watched 520 episodes of one piece and will surely continue after sometime and I completely agree with you. Whitebeard and Blackbeard's case was totally different. In my opinion i disagree with the whole apology thing. Now most of the people may disagree but again it's my opinion. Zoro is my second favorite straw hat but i don't agree with him.
@@Agent-mw1bk Same man. I understand his point but it just felt weird.
literally every comment:
nah zoro was right
Actually this was quite annoying for me when the audience, especially the two of them, failed to understand Oda's hidden intentions for Zoro's characterization. Basically it's all about respecting each other's decisions even if it's hard to accept them. And for me Zoro's characterization here was very successful, so that it made the crew solid again. And restating that what they have been doing so far is not just playing pirates, but being true pirates.
And how dare they compare the fight between Zoro-Mihawk and Luffy-Usop. The two fights are much different. Where Zoro's fight is about being number one in the world, while Usop's fight is about differences of opinion between crewmates and to protect his friend, Merry. These two battles are basically incomparable.
Well, in general, still a good reaction video, especially on the Ace against Blackbeard. It's just that, in the future to better understand the story and its hidden meaning.
This fight is the icing on the cake for the Post Enies Lobby arc. Great world building and a great fight and more greatness to come
Luffy got that scar under his eye by stabbing himself with a knife to show his bravery to shanks, this was shown in chapter one of the manga but got left out of the anime for some reason
I believe it's shown in a later episode
I think everyone is missing the point of the duel from Usopp’s perspective. Usopp went into it KNOWING he’d lose. He did it because otherwise Luffy wouldn’t let him leave. Usopp basically forced him into kicking him out because he felt like he’d hold the crew back because he’s too weak to keep up (Usopp says all this during the argument).
This is backed by two things:
1. Usopp told Franky he already knew the Merry couldn’t be fixed. When Franky asked why he’d fight his captain then, Usopp just said it was complicated.
2. Usopp’s speech to Robin on the train, a crew member can’t leave the crew without the captain’s permission.
Exactly everybody is so hungry for Zoro saying a couple of lines. I agree with what was said to a certain point, Zoro also disrespected Luffy at Whiskey Peak. Zoro seemed to have forgotten that he picked a fight with luffy over Vivi's well being. Usopp was probably the most disrespected in this arc because people think he was selfish and refuse to budge on it.
1:22 LYCAN this is how a lot of us feel about Skypeia! The world building in OP is the greatest and I'm glad you feel this way. For me Skypeia just felt like a pause on the story in hindsight but during Skypeia it was amazing. Happy for you to get to the next few arcs my favorite is coming up and man Oda makes the world come alive on the next level.
Just imagine Blackbeard fighting at night-time when everything is dark. It’s actually scary to think about.
Technically, Zorro said that the duel was supposed to settle the argument, not that Usopp needed to apologize BECAUSE he lost the duel.
The main thing that stood out to me about Zoro’s talk was that anyone that just comes and goes, how can you really put your trust in them and fight along side them. And that’s when Sanji agreed.
its crazy to me that u saw it as zoro making usopp beg but in reality he knows that usopp coming back just like that isnt right even for usopp, like imagine how would usopp feel if he came back without apologizing... without facing reality.
Zoro is just pointing out that despite all of them sharing the same ship and being friends utmost, they are pirates and Luffy is the captain which deserves respect. Usopp going against the crews decision and to top it off challenged the captain to make a stand with his decision is what Zoro's pointing out.
Who else was waiting for them to drop this letsss gooo🔥🔥
main thing is that Usopp found it that easy to leave the crew as if it meant nothing to him, its not a public booth where you can go in and come out as you please.
Been waiting to see how AMENZ would react to this
P.S. The Four Emperors/Yonko (which WhiteBeard and Shanks are) are consider the closest to being the next King of Pirates
It was more about the hierarchy of the ship and what it means to be a captain etc, not just Zoro thinking he should apologize for losing a fight or something
Usopp knew the ship wasn't gonna make it. Its kinda the reason I wanted you guys to watch the g8 arc. From they fell from skypiea and he went under and put on the jet dials he knew the keel was real bad. Only him was repairing the merry from the start
Ya'll I really cannot believe you missed the whole entire point of Zoro on this one it completely flew over your head; I think you really need to go back and rewatch the whole beginning of the arc to understand what Zoro meant
Bruh I'm chocked
I love that you guys really liked Skypeia! I, along with many others didn't like that arc as much as others. But I gotta say, over time you appreciate Skypeia more and more. There's a ton of world building in Skypeia, but you aren't given the tools to know it back then.
Zoro was 100% right. Respect the caption. Luffy wasnt wrong at all from the start. Ussop was 100% wrong from start to finish. Everyone was sad about the ship not just him. Hes in the wrong.
Luffy got the scar by trying to prove to Shanks and them that he’s tough by stabbing under his left eye. Classic Luffy.
Is it just me or is the audio weird?
Edit - looks like its fixed after 10-15mins in.
Prey Rez yeah it is
they're cuttiing out the audio when they don't talk to prevent copyright problems
@@wilhelmbuch yeh i figured, but the way it was done in the beginning was very distracting.
I didn't expect them to miss the whole point why Usopp left the crew and why Usopp was the only one that needed to apologize....
Can't wait for y'all to find out what event that fight triggered.
there is information about the fact that the island where Tich and ACE fought is still covered with fire and darkness or rather one half is all on fire and the other in darkness
You can't disrespect the captain. The captain is the pillar. You will know that as you see more captains later, well best example is Roger. Letting someone disrespectful to the captain in the crew is bad, just look at teach, he killed a crewmate on whitebeard ship.
It wasnt about the duel, it was what the duel was based on. And Zorro was right, they aren't playing pirates. Challenging your captain to an unfriendly duel means something, especially when you're in the wrong
To let him back without apology would make the whole pirate hierarchy meaningless, even if they were just friends, that's a bad precedent to set for that you can pick these kind of fights and dip then comeback without issue.
Zorro said he had except the consequences of the duel. Leaving the crew was the consequence, admiting he was wrong was a compromise
You say Luffy should have apologized to Usopp first, but he did. He literally gave the Merry to him even though Usopp lost the duel. That pity was his apology.
So with that in mind, if a duel like that had no consequences at all then the duel would have no meaning.
If you want to know why Luffy has a scar under his eye read chapter 1 of the manga as the reason was censored out(cut entirely)in the anime.
It might be shown in “Episode of East Blue” but I don’t quite remember.
Is it just me or are we gettin more one piece lately🤔🤔
This shits fireeeee🔥
Just like my boy Acee
I feel like you guys missed the point on that Zoro's scene.
What Zoro was trying to say has nothing to do with his warrior code, it has everything to do with Mutual respect and their reason to be a crew in the first place.
Luffy could've went better about Merry but these decisions are not easy and as the Captain he has to make choices.
First: Why did Zoro join Luffy? Because he respects Luffy's choice to live freely and follow his dreams no matter how hard it is. He said that he will fight his hardest to become the greatest swordsman because his CAPTAIN needs no less than that, He calls Luffy the king of pirate before Luffy even achieves it because he believes in Luffy that much. (Back when he first lost to Hawkeye). This man devoted his loyalty and life to his friend.
Second: MEANING that anyone who is on the crew must also have the same amount of respect for each other, especially towards the Captain, who brought them all together and gave them all a reason to live.
Like Zoro said, this is not a Disney princess Ride or some theme park slide, they are putting their lives on the line to live the way they want and achieve the dreams they have. If at any point they lose respect for each other and get too comfortable by talking shit to each other then they are nothing more than a bunch of idiots.
Third: Zoro said that Luffy cannot forgive Usopp easily, not because Usopp lost, but because he was willing to disrespectful the one man he needs to respect and fight him on a whim. Just like how Zoro respects Luffy so much he's willing to become his first crewmate and fight for Luffy's dream, Usopp was willing to throw it away his respect and dedication towards Luffy just because he was butthurt about Merry.
Fourth: Zoro respects Luffy as a captain and as a friend, if Luffy allows someone to step over him so easily with the excuse of "were friends", then Zoro has no reason to respect Luffy anymore. Zoro allowed himself to get beat up along with Luffy because they were laughed at for talking about the Sky Island, this man believes in Luffy so much that he doesn't even talk shit to him when Luffy allows idiots to hit him, why? Because they are bigger than mumbling idiots.
Bad guys can disrespectful Luffy's dreams but for him to let Usopp, a crewmate who is like family, disrespect him so easily and still forgive him is like taking a shit on Zoro and the rest of the crew. If Luffy allows Usopp to come back without any changes, he's gonna act the same, thinks he can leave and go whenever which will only make him lose respect for Luffy.
SAYING that they are just kids and don't know any better is so disrespectful to everything they stand for.
It's like that scene from The Office. Michael finally tells Stanley that even though Stanley doesn't like Michael, he still demands respect because he's the boss and you just can't walk over your boss or you might as well not have one. Michael is like Luffy, he messes around and has fun which makes everyone too comfortable sometimes and that allows them to just walk over him.
If you are upset by what Zoro says then you have never had a real talk. It's not about Luffy being better than they are, it's that they all joined to become better and to fight for each other, not to fuck around and play Fortnite
THIS is why you love Usopp so much even though he's a wuss sometimes, he has grown so much and can stand on his own now because he grew from this.
Even he knew that he had to apologize because he easily threw out his love and respect for Luffy like it was nothing. He has become such a badass like Zoro in his own right.
45:46 the translation should be "you, who have lived the human life twice, should know the rules" and it is one of the most talked about dialogues in the fandom because of what blackbeard does in the future.
Flame Commandment, Flame Lance, CrossFire, Flame Emperor - Just flexing with Ace's skillset right there. Lycan is loving it.
52:25
at the time I thought what could be so massive but now looking back at it man I love this anime 🤧🐐
Honestly, Zoro is completely right on this, how can you ignore his argument, and say he is wrong. Specially after Usopp assumed they had to be grateful for him wanting to come back, he was like "oh i come back if you name me vice-captain" and shit like that. Plus, its not the fact he lost the duel, its because if he wanted to duel, he had to accept the ocnsequences, and just dueling against its captain is an act of disrespect and insubordinance. Luffy coming back to invite ussop to the crew, would mean its okay for the subordinates to go against the Captain's will and its okay to disrespect him. That is why Usopp could not join unless he apologized for his disrespect. Zoro was just trying to keep order within the crew and the ship
All Ussop had to do was say sorry. Thats it.
Lool the way he was holding up the ace figurine like that
He didn't have to beg like that he ended up begging like that cause it was almost too late he had all this time after the fight to apologise to his captain that he challenged to a duel over an order he didn't agree with. No matter if you're friends or not if you're in like a company or in this case a pirate crew insubordination is a no go
The point zoro tries to prove is, this ain't no pirate game, u can't just come and go as u pleased, coz u r not gonna survive. And secondly u can't be disrespectful towards ur Captain.
The way you guys are talking about the comparison to skypiea and enies lobby in terms of hype is how every fan of OP felt at one point or another. When you least expect Oda to surprise you he does. Less than 5% of fans can even begin to pick up on hints of what Oda is laying down before it happens. That being said you guys have some very exceptional and entertaining guesses here and there. Glad you both are enjoying it.
36:15
My gosh they already foreshadowed DADAN?!?, 😱💕
You don’t go against your captain, a pirate ship kept together on the loyalty of the crew.
" He's probably the first StrawHat to join the crew naked" *insert Brook joke here YOHOHOHO!!
Franky's 34. He was already grown when he became a cyborg and found the Franky Family.
Usopp literally pulled a mutiny against his captain, cut all ties with the crew, said they didn’t need weak friends like him, accused him of throwing away those who weren’t useful, said he was going to take the ship and set sail without them. It is a code with Zoro, but the duel wasn’t the center of it. It was a matter of disrespect and Usopp made his choices. The duel was just the height of what he did. It was a direct challenge against the captain for control of the ship. You also have to remember Usopp held his own in that fight, and really messed Luffy up.
You’all have to understand, the crew system is not about equality, it’s about letting the best part of you shine.
Luffy is captain and that means he’s the leader.
Luffy can’t do anything else tho, just protect his crew. That’s his role. Ussop is the best sniper, but he’s under luffy.
exactly, Aside from luffy who is captain, a hierarchy shouldn't exist because Zoro may be a swordsman, but he isn't as important to the crew as Nami, but the same can be reversed, Nami can Navigate, but can't really fight. the crew has no hierarchy other than luffy who is the captain. because if that was the case Zoro would have no importance to the crew aside from extra strength. his only real job in the crew is just to be an extra warrior, and take charge when luffy can't.
Last time for a long time talking about it. Luffy and Usopp were both in the wrong in the initial fight. Usopp didn't explain his point well (and was projecting himself onto the ship), didn't listen to Luffy's reasoning (which Nami and Zoro were able to backup) and started to insult Luffy. Luffy let Usopp's words get to him and let his anger boil over, stopping just short (thanks to Sanji striking him) of telling Usopp to leave the crew. There was a half second where Luffy starts to apologize, but Usopp cuts him off and insists on leaving the crew and fighting Luffy for the Merry.
That's where Usopp ruined things. Usopp didn't agree with the captain? Okay sure that'll happen in a crew, even one this small and tight knit, have an argument and say what you need to. Usopp leaving the crew? Well, that's a really heavy decision to make in a moment of anger, but it's his life and if he's willing to live with the consequences, it's fine even if it's sad. Usopp challenges Luffy for the Merry? Fine, but now we're talking about things that can't be undone. Usopp wants back in the crew? Can't just pretend that other shit didn't happen, you gotta apologize and ask to be let back on. Even if you don't think you were wrong, you can't disrupt the crew and cause all of that emotional turmoil, then waltz back in with a goofy laugh and say you didn't mean it. You gotta acknowledge what you did, acknowledge that you regret it or that it was a mistake, and then ask permission to rejoin.
It's not a crew, otherwise. It's just some people on a boat doing whatever they want.
Facts. If Usopp didn't feel as though he was in the wrong, he wouldn't have came back. He may have assisted to save Robin, but that's where it would have stopped. After Robin was safe, he would figure out his own way in the world. He came back, so he knows that he was wrong.
He didn't not say that Usopp's gotta apologize because HE LOST, it's because he challenged him in the first place. And then he wanted to come back as if nothing even happened. It's not kids playing pirates. yes there were some faults on Luffy as well; like how he told him about merry, how he wanted to kick him out. But 90% its on Ussop and he wanted to forget that without even apologizing. No respect shown to the captain whatsoever.
Ace is my favorite too, but Zoro is up there for sure. They are both real ones. Law is badass too. I’m looking forward to how y’all react to him in the near future.
It's one thing for Luffy to say "Leave the crew" but another for Usopp to actually leave but then challenge the CAPTAIN to a duel. Luffy clearly was wrong to say what he did but Usopp CHOSE to leave. What's worse is Usopp never intended to apologize until he was basically forced to. I 100% agree with Zoro in that episode. The captain can't just handle his crew like they're "kids playing pirates" whenever someone wants to leave they can and be let back. It's an unsaid rule that each crew mate is willing to die for another so treating "leaving the crew" as something that's no big deal like how Luffy was going to accept Usopp back without Usopp apologizing was something Zoro saw that needed to corrected.
Luffy actually apologize right after when he slip out and said that
Zoro had a good point about not letting Usopp back in so easily so as to avoid letting him walk all over Luffy, as if Usopp could leave and enter the crew whenever he wants without care as to whose feelings he hurts. That said though, if Zoro wasn’t there, then it would make me wonder how Luffy and Usopp’s post-Enies Lobby meeting would have played out. I suspect that they still would have came to a clear understanding that Usopp was careless about letting his insecurities, pride, and misunderstandings get in the way, even if they had all come to eventually realize that the Merry is indeed alive, but that it was also ok to let it go, not with abandonment, but with a Viking funeral. I’m sure Zoro making it clear what he told Luffy sped up the reconciliation process though.
I feel like nobody was 100% right, but not 100% wrong in either case. Usopp felt he was to blame for losing the money, which added to his insecurities and negative personality in general of not being strong enough to keep up with Luffy and the others, but mishandled him dealing with that by not telling the others about this beforehand, not trying to elaborate on why he saw the Merry, also gifted by his friend Kaya, as living nakama he felt Luffy was abandoning, despite Luffy never treating nakama like that before, and letting his vice known as pride also get in the way by challenging Luffy to a duel, as if assuming that that was the best way to prove his strength, even though it wasn’t. Luffy wasn’t 100% right either by casually dismissing the Merry’s end with a catalogue and attempting to tell Usopp to get off the ship, which he immediately realized was also wrong since he said I’m sorry after Sanji attacked him.
That said, Luffy was a responsible captain enough to say I’m sorry after attempting to say that. If Luffy respects the feelings of others enough to apologize, then Usopp should to, and not just casually be like “the past is in the past,” because it’s not just about the past, but also respecting the feelings of your friends in the present and future too, as well as the safety and trust with their lives, and I’m glad Usopp was human enough not to let pride get in the way of not just apologizing, but respecting the feelings of your friends as well just as they respect yours.
The reason Ussop was the one to apologize was because he not only left the crew he disrespected Luffy as his captain. (also he didn't have to beg he did that by himself) You have to recognize what it means to leave a pirate crew especially like that and what it means to be the captain, like Zoro said they aren't playing pirates if Luffy just forgave Ussop that would make him a weak captain and what's to stop anyone else from disrespecting him like that (not saying they would) I see where you're coming from that both of them needed to apologize but Luffy was making a decision as the captain and Ussop completely disrespected him by not only leaving the crew but also by challenging Luffy to a duel, that cemented his resignation of being a Straw Hat Pirate so Luffy has no reason to apologize if Ussop wanted to be forgiven that's what he needed to do
They didn't understand anything that Zoro was talking about
Luffy got his scar in the manga that basically came before the main story I guess. He stabbed himself to prove he was tough to shanks. You can watch it if you google it( they animated it ) its called romance of dawn or romance of dawn ova idk.
I think zoro was more upset about how easily usopp left the crew rather than him asking for a duel against Luffy and that's why he wanted usopp to apologize.
Luffy got his scar from stabbing himself in the face
Remember one thing shanks got that scar from blackbeard when he didnt get that devil fruit. He is always strong
ace is best character since his first appearence imo
Like many others already pointed out: Usopp was heavioy disrespectimg the captain. And what's more: Before that he was trying to pressure Luffy into a decision that would have compromised the safety of the entire crew. Usopp was in the wrong, he was disrespectful and stubborn, he had to apologize and beg to be let back on the crew.
"It'll be somethin' simple like the light light fruit"
Light-light fruit: "Moshi moshi?"
I died when amez our the ace figure on his shoulder
Being a pirate crew is like running a company
When someone disrespects the CEO, challenges the ownership of the company because of conflict of interest, and ended up fired
That person can't just claim "I want back in the company" and the boss can't just say "a'ight, you back in" because it loses the weight and intergrity of the company if anyone can just leave and go back in like its nothing
Just as zoro said. They're not playing a pirate game. Their dreams are on the line, and luffy leads them to it. Usopp disrespected that.
Bruh thats not a warrior code thats just common sense. In any institution in life u cannot disrespect the leader and expect to go back like nothing happened. And that is especially true for a pirate. A captain must command respect
nah for real g's, everyone be talking about the zoro part and how they disagree with you, all I can say is please pay more attention to dialogue both of you, in the last 10 episodes I noticed you let a lot of things slide, awsome reactions tho thanks for sharing. also 38:41 ROFL
It's getting a bit annoying because then they moan about things not making sense when it was explained well.
@@L4C3-L4 One thing I can say about the Bros, is sometimes the conclusions they come to irk my nerves. I be "where did you come up with that from?" but I'm current with the show, so it's probably my perspective from the future looking back at it all.
38:40 Remember doctor kureha has the face of 100+ year old, but she has the physical body of a 20 year old. So too be fair if you put a bag on her head she a baddie 🤷🏽♂️
52:05 " I'm gonna make Whitebeard the king" always gives me chills
Zoro saying it was not only directed for ussop but to the crew as well.
The real reasoning wasnt so much for loosing the battle but because it was the captain's order that usopp didnt want to follow, so much so that he challenged the captain to the battle. It was more on what Zoro said right after the Luffy and Usopp's duel. "That's the burden of being a captain. If you waver, who can we trust." Its a pure respect thing, I blame the translation for making it seem like was bc usopp lost the duel.
I'll remember this video for when they get to later arcs. This was an amazing arc and really made One Piece one of my favorite anime but the subsequent arcs made One Piece my absolute favorite anime.
So hype bro 🔥 🐉
Also, Zoro is the vice-captain (not officially tho). Since He knows that Luffy isn’t the type to “discipline” his subordinate, he knows it’s his job to step up and call out Luffy on it.
Whats hype meen
@@saeedjust3972 you're excited and pumped for something.
Zoro didn't even call for "discipline."
Zoro said:
1. When Usopp decided to challenge Luffy for the Merry, that they would leave the results to the duel and respect it. Funny thing is, even though Usopp lost, Luffy still gave him the Merry. Primarily because the Straw Hats couldn't do anything with it, so it wouldn't make a point to keep it, and the Merry itself would be too big a reminder of Usopp. Might as well let him have and do what he will with it.
2. When the idea of Usopp coming back to the crew was brought up, Zoro said it would be best if Usopp returned but only if he apologized. Nothing about disciplining him. If Usopp could man up and admit fault, the crew would forgive and forget.
3. When Usopp finally manned up and apologize, he was promptly brought back to the ship, and the situation was never brought up again. Usopp learned from his mistake, and the pay off came post-timeskip in Fishman Island when an enemy tried to make Usopp feel insecure or too weak to be a Straw Hat. Combined with Sanji's speech at Ennies Lobby, Usopp finally came to terms with who he was to the Straw Hats, and what value he brings to the crew. That, after all, was the root cause of the whole situation: Usopp didn't see his own worth as the Sniper of the Straw Hats.
A lot of these comments talking about the functions of the code, but Luffy still should have had to apologize to Ussop too. That's on friendship and relationships.
Lycan this isn't like most anime where the MC is the leader because he's the MC. Luffy is the CAPTAIN, BOSS, MANAGER etc. You wouldn't challenge your manager at work to a fist fight because of a disagreement and still expect to have a job would ya?
Zoro wasn’t talking about just a warrior code .. he knows how shit works .. with pirates
What zoro was saying was a little bit all over the place. For what I can gather what zoro really meant was usopp, as a crew mate, disrespected their captain and decided to leave on his accord, then even challenged luffy for a duel. For ussop to come back, he can not just whealsle himself back to the team.
You can notice since water 7, zoro has been pushing luffy to take on the leadership role and carry the responsibility of "captain's orders". And this leadership dynamic absolutely can not be broken in a pirate crew.
As for the luffy/usopp argument, it doesn't matter who was right or wrong. Their were both out of the line.
Zoro is talking about the fact that Usopp's talking against the captain's word. If the captain falls back on his own word, then anyone can step over him and he loses the respect the title should have.
Remember when Sasuke blamed and left the village, and how all villagers were trying to bring him back.
This is One Piece we don't do that here, we are not playing childish pirate game where you can disrespect your captain.
ah, 10 years ago when Shanks was with Luffy at the village, Shanks had the scar already, so think about that.
Tbh it's even just simple close friendship code, if you choose to follow it. If you disrespect someone by throwing low jabs and leaving and starting a fight, apologise if you want to make up. I personally think if you allow anyone to walk all over you it's gonna bite you back later on. Feel like there's some history here personally to why there was a disagreement to what Zoro said, but each to their own I suppose. But this scene has helped me figure out in my life whose actually got my back. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's worked for me so far I feel.
In regards to Lycan asking how Luffy got the scar under his eye. You should go back and read chapter 1 it is shown there but left out of the anime.
The Luffy ussop shit iconic, ussop the first one to try the captain and this is pirate crew bonding at its finest...remember what Zoro said they not playing “pirate games”..y’all going to hear a beast say that shit post time skip