Richard, thanks for demostrating this device! I recently picked up 3 vintage view cameras and this gives me something to seriously consider buying to make them very useful! I have seen where some have been taking images of the ground glass, this opens up a whole different realm of possibilities for my cameras!
It is quite nice to have basically a medium format sensor with full movements. This particular Rhinocam will take Sony cameras up to the NEX7. Later models have a larger hand-grip making it impossible to rotate. I hope to hear from you.
Wonderful! Your video gave me good ideas for alternatives to film. 4x5 color sheet film is very expensive these days. A 4x5 digital back is around 35K dollars. The rig you use is a good compromise.
Thanks for your reply. This devise is certainly a convenient, cost-effective alternative to film. I wouldn't recommend it for DSLRs because the distance between the lens and film-plane won't allow you to use wide angle lenses. Mirrorless cameras are the way to go!
For years I have used the standard Rhinocam with my Hasselblad lenses. I have grown to appreciating the versatility of mounting the slider on my 4X5. Having lens movements doubles the fun and adds so many options. Great product! Thanks for subscribing.
I've been doing something similar, but on a monorail. I'm using the shift and rise on the rear standard to do the stitching. This can make exposure patterns right up to 9x12, but your computer might not enjoy processing it.🤣🤣
Oh, it's early days yet. So far I've only been getting large images of my neighbor's yard. However, spring will be in western Canada at some point, and in the meantime, I'm expecting a Sinar F in the mail to replace the Toyo D45M that I've been using. I'm hoping for some advantages with it. Cheers!@@richardmasseyphotography
Hi. Thanks for reaching out. Be aware that with a DSLR you won't be able to use wide angel lenses. Depending on your view camera and if you are using a recessed lens board, the shortest lens you can use is about a 150mm or possibly a 125mm. Because of the shorter flange to film distance, a mirrorless camera is much preferred. Here is a link to the vendor...you might find a good used one on eBay. fotodioxpro.com/
@@richardmasseyphotography Thanks for the insight, I haven't found sliding backs for EOS mounts. I'm now considering simply making a camera back that will be simply a board with an EOS lens mount, using large format lenses on a recessed board, and using the shift and rise movements of the back standard to take the multiple shifted exposures.
@@artactsound444 If the subject is not at infinity, moving the lens using the camera movements will result in a change of perspective between the individual images. They may not stitch very well together in the end.
That's a lot of time with an exposed sensor and from what I've read it's just a matter of time before a stabilized sensor gets damaged during cleaning.
If you develop good work habits, it isn't a problem. I don't frequently clean the sensor but I do invert the camera so the sensor is face down and use an air blower to gently blow out any dust. Any artifacts drop right out. I do this before every outing.
@@richardmasseyphotography I run a HEPA filter in the room for a few hours, have the camera tripod mounted face down to 'change the lens' and I only use the one lens - so never really change it , but still get sensor dust. Sometimes bricks! So the above is the same for sensor cleaning apart from having the camer a with the sensor upright for access. The face down for the lens fitting. But I do use small aperture openings frequently. Oh yeah and filtered air on the airblower.
Carlos, that's a great idea! The stitched images have so much more detail than a similar single images taken with a wide angle lens. But, of course I'm talking about a single wider angle digital. It would be very interesting to use my 6x17 (also shoots 6x14) and see how that massive 120 film compares to the stitched digital. I will do another video to illustrate this. Thanks for the suggestion. May I credit you with the idea?
I think you are saying that the stitched image has more detail than a single image taken with the same digital camera but I am wondering how would a single shot taken on film with your 4x5 would compare to the digital stiched image.
Carlos, where are you from? I'm going to take your suggestion and make a video about digital panos compared to film panos and I would like to credit you....if that is Ok with you.
The presented attachment is very interesting, but I have some doubts about the sensibility of using such a setup. What do you really gain from combining an analog camera with a digital camera? The effect you presented can easily be achieved through a digital camera alone and, for example, by composing (postproduction software) a panoramic photo from several frames. Please don’t get me wrong, but apart from experimental purposes, I see no other reason for using such a configuration.
Richard, can you maybe explain, does the sliding back size exactly fit that 4x5? I'm assuming you don't attach the foot stand since it's unnecessary. I'm wondering on an 8x10 camera of course this could be used as 4x5, but it makes me wonder wouldn't it be great to have the ability to slide the full 8x10 range, it would essentially just be sliding another set of levels to get the whole effect!
Yes, this device is the exact size as a 4x5 film holder but it will only work with a 4x5 that has a Graflok back. You need the locking device to hold the Rhinocam in place.
I admire your intentions and I respect them, but why not just use a digital camera with a decent lens? For me mounting a digital device on a beautiful wooden field camera is nothing short of ' Statutory Rape '. Sorry to be blunt.
Hi lensman57. Thanks for your comment...much appreciated. There are several reasons why using a digital camera on a beautiful wooden field camera has advantages. One of the big reasons I like doing this is because I always have full swings, tilts, and shift movements...with every lens. Keep in mind I'm not just shooting a singel image with this set up. I'm shooting multiple images and stitching them together. As a result, the file size is many times greater than a singel image which of course equates to better overall quality and greater detail. As an example, a singel image from my camera is 24mp. When I stitch multiple images together, my file sizes are around 100mp. Most of my work is for editorial purposes and the singel images from my digital cameras are satisfactory and much more convenient. My real passion is shooting film in my classic 4x5. Please check out my video about shooting roll film on a 4x5.
Richard didn't really cover the 'why', but essentially you have all the great versatility of the view camera. The versatility which isn't present easily with modern lenses, but the advantage of imediate display and later digital enhancement in this method. You can with a modern lens take a bokeh range of focus in front and behind the target, but you don't have the ease to tilt top bottom or shift left-right or swivel like with a view(which in this case includes the sliding back allowing you to take the full advantage of vintage lenses huge focal plane. It's this selectiveness which makes view cameras artisticly able to frame what the photographer wants to present to you. What I find exciting is that devices like this can give vintage cameras new life without the hassles of film care and developing. Especially now as the cost of film and developing put view cameras out of the reach of many people.
@@mycarolinaskies Sorry, but this is like buying a vinatge Rolls Roys, and then installing a Subaru Impreza engine in it, to make it ' modern ' and ' useful ' as another person put it. I guess you guys just miss the point about old cameras. This unquenching thirst of constantly trying to marry modern and old together. Anyway, each to their own.
Richard, thanks for demostrating this device! I recently picked up 3 vintage view cameras and this gives me something to seriously consider buying to make them very useful! I have seen where some have been taking images of the ground glass, this opens up a whole different realm of possibilities for my cameras!
It is quite nice to have basically a medium format sensor with full movements. This particular Rhinocam will take Sony cameras up to the NEX7. Later models have a larger hand-grip making it impossible to rotate. I hope to hear from you.
Wonderful! Your video gave me good ideas for alternatives to film. 4x5 color sheet film is very expensive these days. A 4x5 digital back is around 35K dollars. The rig you use is a good compromise.
Thanks for your reply. This devise is certainly a convenient, cost-effective alternative to film. I wouldn't recommend it for DSLRs because the distance between the lens and film-plane won't allow you to use wide angle lenses. Mirrorless cameras are the way to go!
Yay! I just saw this notification... can't wait to watch!
Thank you. Always nice to hear from you.
Stunning !
Thank you...much appreciated.
Great video!
For years I have used the standard Rhinocam with my Hasselblad lenses. I have grown to appreciating the versatility of mounting the slider on my 4X5. Having lens movements doubles the fun and adds so many options. Great product! Thanks for subscribing.
I've been doing something similar, but on a monorail. I'm using the shift and rise on the rear standard to do the stitching. This can make exposure patterns right up to 9x12, but your computer might not enjoy processing it.🤣🤣
Brilliant! Thanks for sharing. Always look forward to hearing from you. Where can we see some of your images?
Oh, it's early days yet. So far I've only been getting large images of my neighbor's yard. However, spring will be in western Canada at some point, and in the meantime, I'm expecting a Sinar F in the mail to replace the Toyo D45M that I've been using. I'm hoping for some advantages with it. Cheers!@@richardmasseyphotography
Sounds like an exciting adventure! Please keep us updated on your progress. I look forward to hearing from you.@@kowanut1
Where to buy Rhinocam sliding back? I'd like to try it on my 4x5 Wista with my Canon DSLR
Hi. Thanks for reaching out. Be aware that with a DSLR you won't be able to use wide angel lenses. Depending on your view camera and if you are using a recessed lens board, the shortest lens you can use is about a 150mm or possibly a 125mm. Because of the shorter flange to film distance, a mirrorless camera is much preferred. Here is a link to the vendor...you might find a good used one on eBay. fotodioxpro.com/
@@richardmasseyphotography Thanks for the insight, I haven't found sliding backs for EOS mounts. I'm now considering simply making a camera back that will be simply a board with an EOS lens mount, using large format lenses on a recessed board, and using the shift and rise movements of the back standard to take the multiple shifted exposures.
Sounds good. Keep us posted on your progress. This may help. th-cam.com/video/go1wkN5_M4w/w-d-xo.html@@artactsound444
@@artactsound444 If the subject is not at infinity, moving the lens using the camera movements will result in a change of perspective between the individual images. They may not stitch very well together in the end.
That's a lot of time with an exposed sensor and from what I've read it's just a matter of time before a stabilized sensor gets damaged during cleaning.
If you develop good work habits, it isn't a problem. I don't frequently clean the sensor but I do invert the camera so the sensor is face down and use an air blower to gently blow out any dust. Any artifacts drop right out. I do this before every outing.
@@richardmasseyphotography I run a HEPA filter in the room for a few hours, have the camera tripod mounted face down to 'change the lens' and I only use the one lens - so never really change it , but still get sensor dust. Sometimes bricks! So the above is the same for sensor cleaning apart from having the camer a with the sensor upright for access. The face down for the lens fitting. But I do use small aperture openings frequently. Oh yeah and filtered air on the airblower.
Nice video but, it would have been nicer if you had compared the result of the stiched image against the same in film.
Carlos, that's a great idea! The stitched images have so much more detail than a similar single images taken with a wide angle lens. But, of course I'm talking about a single wider angle digital. It would be very interesting to use my 6x17 (also shoots 6x14) and see how that massive 120 film compares to the stitched digital. I will do another video to illustrate this. Thanks for the suggestion. May I credit you with the idea?
I think you are saying that the stitched image has more detail than a single image taken with the same digital camera but I am wondering how would a single shot taken on film with your 4x5 would compare to the digital stiched image.
@@clep2009 That's exactly what I plan to do. Should be very interesting. Thanks again for the suggestion.
Nit picking, take the video for what it is
Carlos, where are you from? I'm going to take your suggestion and make a video about digital panos compared to film panos and I would like to credit you....if that is Ok with you.
The presented attachment is very interesting, but I have some doubts about the sensibility of using such a setup. What do you really gain from combining an analog camera with a digital camera? The effect you presented can easily be achieved through a digital camera alone and, for example, by composing (postproduction software) a panoramic photo from several frames. Please don’t get me wrong, but apart from experimental purposes, I see no other reason for using such a configuration.
You get the advantage of using the swings and tilts.
Richard, can you maybe explain, does the sliding back size exactly fit that 4x5? I'm assuming you don't attach the foot stand since it's unnecessary.
I'm wondering on an 8x10 camera of course this could be used as 4x5, but it makes me wonder wouldn't it be great to have the ability to slide the full 8x10 range, it would essentially just be sliding another set of levels to get the whole effect!
Yes, this device is the exact size as a 4x5 film holder but it will only work with a 4x5 that has a Graflok back. You need the locking device to hold the Rhinocam in place.
I admire your intentions and I respect them, but why not just use a digital camera with a decent lens? For me mounting a digital device on a beautiful wooden field camera is nothing short of ' Statutory Rape '. Sorry to be blunt.
Hi lensman57. Thanks for your comment...much appreciated. There are several reasons why using a digital camera on a beautiful wooden field camera has advantages. One of the big reasons I like doing this is because I always have full swings, tilts, and shift movements...with every lens. Keep in mind I'm not just shooting a singel image with this set up. I'm shooting multiple images and stitching them together. As a result, the file size is many times greater than a singel image which of course equates to better overall quality and greater detail. As an example, a singel image from my camera is 24mp. When I stitch multiple images together, my file sizes are around 100mp. Most of my work is for editorial purposes and the singel images from my digital cameras are satisfactory and much more convenient. My real passion is shooting film in my classic 4x5. Please check out my video about shooting roll film on a 4x5.
Richard didn't really cover the 'why', but essentially you have all the great versatility of the view camera.
The versatility which isn't present easily with modern lenses, but the advantage of imediate display and later digital enhancement in this method. You can with a modern lens take a bokeh range of focus in front and behind the target, but you don't have the ease to tilt top bottom or shift left-right or swivel like with a view(which in this case includes the sliding back allowing you to take the full advantage of vintage lenses huge focal plane. It's this selectiveness which makes view cameras artisticly able to frame what the photographer wants to present to you.
What I find exciting is that devices like this can give vintage cameras new life without the hassles of film care and developing. Especially now as the cost of film and developing put view cameras out of the reach of many people.
@@mycarolinaskies All excellent points. Thanks for contributing your expertise to the conversation.
@@mycarolinaskies Sorry, but this is like buying a vinatge Rolls Roys, and then installing a Subaru Impreza engine in it, to make it ' modern ' and ' useful ' as another person put it. I guess you guys just miss the point about old cameras. This unquenching thirst of constantly trying to marry modern and old together. Anyway, each to their own.
Thanks again for your excellent points.@@lensman5762