Paris is Burning & The Tragic Story of Venus Xtravaganza
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Today I talk about the drag scene & ball scene in New York during the 1980’s. I also talk about the 1990 documentary called Paris is Burning along with the tragic story of Venus Xtravaganza.
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I want to clarify that I mistakenly used the wrong wording when describing Venus. I’ve gotten many, many of the same comments about a specific part of the video. I have always believed trans women are real women. I try to make it clear throughout the video that I was doing my best to be respectful. I may not always use the “right words” but my intentions are good and I’m always learning. No one is perfect.
Talking about sensitive topics can be like walking on eggshells, it’s difficult but important! I’ve also gotten plenty of rude comments from gatekeepers telling me I have no right making a video about the LGBTQ+ community because I’m straight. First of all, sorry not sorry. Second of all, bold of some of you to assume my sexuality.
Venus’s nephew and friends loved the video and didn’t find it offensive at all, and I’m happy with that. It shouldn’t matter who’s bringing awareness to very important issues, or how it’s being delivered, as long as it’s being done.
I forgot to mention that there are some spoilers in this video about Paris is Burning. If you don’t want me to ruin it for you, I suggest you watch the movie first and then come back to this 😁
I also had to trim out the trailer to the movie which makes for a strange jump cut so I’m sorry about that.
Also, I want to clarify that Venus might have died because she crossed paths with a psycho, not just because the killer may have found out she was transgender. No one will ever know for sure, but that’s why I talked about hate crimes. I didn’t realize I didn’t explain myself very well until after I watched it back 🤷♀️💕🖤
It's A OK, Sam. Anyone with a brain would've known that. You don't even need much context clues that the perpetrator might have been some nut-job. Anybody who would murder under those conditions would have to be a psychopath. Thing is, some Transgenders (or whatever the victim might have been) don't always come out that they're actually the opposite sex of whomever they're about to get down and dirty with; but violence towards them - and most importantly death - is inhumane and just plain wrong. I can see some people (assholes) leaning towards Venus was asking for it when she didn't give details about her gender, but come the fuck on, she never would've deserved to die. It's fucked up in this world. Nobody can truly express themselves. Society's full of assholes who demean and degrade others just because they're different. Just because of their skin color, ethnic background, gender, sexual orientation, clothes, hairstyles, eye colors, size of their fucking arm. It's getting stupid. People will think of anything to marginalize others into groups they oppose for the dumbest reasons - and society worldwide as a whole are buying in to this shit. It doesn't matter! What you look like, who you are, what you do, where you came from. All of those evil assholes are only contradicting themselves. They're hypocrites and I'll tell you why. By degrading those people, they're showing just how insecure they are. What's the point of this and what does it accomplish? They should be smart enough to conjure up an answer. All this hate is useless and is getting us nowhere as an "intellectual" species. I honestly find animals, like pigs, smarter than these fuck-wits. We should be focusing our concern to better the aspects of society that actually matter. They're stuck in the norm of average human expression and doesn't know the meaning of 'Free Will'. Anything that's different to them is evil and should be hunted down to extinction. And the shitty thing is that not all of them started that way. Society taught them that. And it pains me that this will keep going on forever and forever and forever until human extinction. Generations upon generations will experience just how "far" we've come as a "civilised" race.
I probably didn't explain my points and themes well, I only hope you understood the gist of what I was trying to say. I just wish they're more people like you in this world. People only pay attention to the worst of things and negativity as a whole... A bit of optimism could go lengths for all of us - a cliché saying, but true. Sorry for the essay-long rant. Thanks for the video, Sam 👍✌💘
Great Vid , I saw paris is burning a year after its release in SF and 3 years later I moved to NYC !!! I recently saw the "outtakes" from the movie the scenes which never made to "paris is burning" !!! The venus that's shown in the movie is one sided !!! In the outtakes Venus takes about her grandmother who raised her and other topics and she was really very loving and caring soul !!! Jenny should have included more of her personal life details that venus talked about in camera !!! She ate like a horse must have had the highest metabolism ever !!!!bless you Venus !!!
I also think she could’ve had borderline personality disorder based on how Angie described her. It doesn’t make her a bad person. She was hurt and discarded by the world from childhood so it makes sense. Since people with BPD tend to be impulsive and reckless, she could’ve accidentally said the wrong thing to this person and it escalated to physical violence. This is why mental health is important, especially for marginalized communities. Everyone deserves to thrive. Venus truly is a lost princess, not Anastasia Romanov.
It amazes me and yet at times angers me the way you people talk about how we lived our life back then because of no real choice of our own. I am one of the few and I mean the few people that was there and still alive fortunately to this day! Venus wasn't the only one, so was Miss Chloe so with Miss Rhonda so was Miss Michael so was the tragedy of Sandy who's also in Paris is burning! The bottom line is this, most of those "people" children's, because that's what they were in Paris is burning was kicked out on the street as children's barely off the age 10 years old simply because they were gay and was forced into a life of prostitution and joining gangs as a small way of having some protection for themselves which we called "houses" they were not this glamorize thing that Paris is burning has show case I know, I was there! Today if these parents do what those parents did back then they will be hit with child abuse and negligent charges and probably plastered all over the media! Societee took terrible of advantage of those under age children that also includes Madonna!.. Madonna was very popular even back when she seen us dancing to killed time, instead of taken advantage of us she could have used her celebrity status to bring awareness of the plight to the horrible situation and violence the degradation of the gay community Of these kids tossed out on to the street standing on the corner at 12 and 13 and 14 year old picking up truck drivers in any car to have sex just to make $5 to get something to eat putting their life in danger! Instead she use it to make profit for herself! So now you want credit for your so called explanation? Dorian or Venus who you didn't even know but I did along with Phoenix kamali, ivory and many many others! All these decades later and no one still gets the real tragedy of what our lives was like! All you have to do is look at the beginning of Paris is burning, it's not about the dancing, it starts with the two- kids standing outside a "BLUES" a drag club at that time in the mid 1980s with the interviewer Janine was talking to a 15 and a 13 year old child in the middle of the street at 3:30 in the morning on a school day! Because they were on the streets and right after that they would walk a few blocks down and turn tricks in the car just to make money and go to a gay bathhouse to sleep or on the piers because societee didn't give a dam because they were gay and they were of color and their parents kick them out the house as well, that's the real story!
@@itsokitsok5020 Hey, thank you for sharing your story. It does mean a lot to me to hear from you. You and the others deserved so much better. I hope you find the peace and closure you deserve 💕
Venus was my Aunt. I was born a few years after her murder. Thank you for this video. I would've loved to have known the beautiful soul that she was.
Yes, she was a Beautiful Soul💜
Do you have souvenir about your aunt? Do your family talked about her?
Altho you didnt get to meet her "irl", I'm so sorry for your loss. She was an unforgettable electric and beautiful spirit......that stays in my head some 30 years since I first saw the film. She'll always live on in the hearts of those who knew and loved her. 💜
How is your family doing today. I knew venues very well and actually stayed over at Venus house when she lived with her grandmother in jersey city. Grandma wasn't very happy venues brought me over and I understood completely. Grandma was Old-school and she didn't get permission for me to stay the night but Grandma didn't ask me to leave which was very nice of her to. LoL. I have great memories of your aunt. As small as she was she had a huge heart. I miss her dearly. ❤
Your Aunt left her mark on the world. I saw “Paris is Burning” when it first came out. Your aunt was the STAR-I’ve never forgotten her!
quick note: To become a member of a house you would have had to walked a few balls in your perspective category. Venus walked Femme Queen Realness and fashion categories so there was no voguing involved in her career. Ballroom is not just voguing, voguing is just Ballroom’s greatest export outside of our lingo.
Exactly that's what white people know of our Ballroom scene they will never be a part of it doesn't matter if they are in the house they will never truly be a part of their just visiting just like Madonna look how fast she came around and then left using for aesthetic for a while and then switching up everything we always creates ourselves white people always have to have a hand in it they want it for themselves because they're s*** is boring
The research footage in its entirety for the documentary is incredible. Some 5+ hours. The final cut is just a highlight reel. I think the criticism with its release is because the girls wanted it to be cinematic glamour. But instead it captured what was raw, real, and unpolished. Which in my opinion makes it all the more breathtaking. The hopes, dreams and confidence they ooze are at center stage as much as the pain, death, and depression hidden in plain sight. They each wanted fame and to be remembered as women. They got their wish.
This comment is Everything 🥰
From what I’ve been told the biggest issue they had was they weren’t paid. Jenny Livingston reaped all the benefits.
Jules in Euphoria reminds me of her a bit, the air of freedom, her sexuality, her beauty.
HUNTER SCHAFER! We need a BIOPIC! It will Sky rocket her to ACADEMY AWARD First transgender to win the OSCARS!
Venus is the Marilyn Monroe of Paris is Burning..like Marilyn an innocent beauty you want to rescue from the darkside of life used and discarded by men , wanting always to have been excepted by society , youthful & beautiful..both Legendary for Eternity......... rest in eternal peace our Goddesses 💙💚💜❤
Wow what a Beautiful Eulogy!!!👏👏👏👏👍👏👏👏👏👏
Stop comparing iconic women of colour (specially transwomen) to white women who were pushed into the spotlight by a white supremacist society because iconic black women’s talents weren’t recognized. It’s insulting tbh. Most of these ‘sex icon’ white women (like Madonna) stole from LGBT POC and black women anyhow. I’m sick of black artists always being compared to white people because people genuinely have no idea about the talents that existed in the black world or that black people invented what famous white artists imitated.
@@NatsumiTakanawa girl relax...its not that serious..your the one making a useless arguement.. I'm talking about women how they are treated by men used no respect discarded, and that's in any race religion culture , nothing to do with color..so please it's about women who were adored by people regardless of color good hearted beings..not everything is about race...chill have a drink make a toast to Venus & Marilyn while your at it..♡ Venus..was not a artist singer dancer or actress she was italian white skin..not a woman of color although she hung around many goddesses of color♡
don't ever compare men pretending to be women to actual women. thanks.
@@verminlord666 ☝️mind your business troll🤣😂
I hung out with Angie and Venus they taught me how to work in the park and pier.Angie took me under her wing.As best real female.I preformed in Sweats to bring in the females.
Do you remember things about Venus?
It consider it very noble and important to tell what people had to endure in life and what happened to them. Life was difficult then and still is now.
The first time I watched “Paris is burning” was because I heard it mentioned here. It is a very interesting documentary that makes you understand, or at least try, how others have to cope with their problems and when they are ostracized by society. Besides that, I watched both seasons of POSE and on some moments, some scenes did seem a little too much in terms of drama or imagination, but now I realize that POSE depicts REAL situations of life and thus, perhaps Life will always beat imagination. That being said, now there is a Pandemic and the whole world seems altered, but not in good sense. Bottomline, who was ill treated before will be chocked now, that everything has gotten so much worse. I stand by my point, it is paramount to tell all kinds of life stories so that we ALL can understand how evil and unfair the world can be towards us all.
I found it hard to believe that they can't find the person that was in the room with Venus estravaganza!😭
They didn’t care to find who it was. 😕
R.I.H. Venus.😇😇😇😇
What dose that mean?
@@christiandoctor6100 rest in heaven.
@@christiandoctor6100 they put an angel emoji lol
Great vid. My brother has been in the house of Aviance since the 80s, but is now in MIA. As New Yorkers, we knew first hand about balls/houses. Btw, no tea no shade, Greenwich (Village) is pronounced, Gren - Nich. 😉
So glad Pase remember her. I wish she was still her.
Love your video of Venus E. Just to recap your account of her murder, it seems plausible that Venus, in fact, did die from her injuries, due to the crime photos. She did not run away with a lover. Conversations observed over the years hint on the murderer as the very person who originally threatened her life, or a curmudgeon ( a sugar daddy type).
Great video! I’m glad to have found you, subscribed.
PS. It’s Gren-Itch not Greenwitch. No big deal, just FYI, some “New Yorkers” will eat you alive for that. And by New Yorkers, I mean people who moved there 2 years ago
No lies 😭🤣I didn't know she meant the village at first .
As a born and raised New Yorker, I would like to say thanks for mentioning the GRENNich pronunciation. It always helps lend additional credence to a documentary when the person has clearly done all their research and takes the time to get the names of people and places right, but it is a rare thing! The only person I think I can say does this seemingly 100% without fail is Shrouded Hand.
Venus used to babysit me.
@Juliette Vanidad - I was too young to remember, I was but an infant.
What a colourful and exciting life she had! RiP Queen! ❤️❤️❤️
Please don't stop producing content. Your work is great.🎉
Angie Extravaganza died before she was 30. Tragedy. 😊❤
Thank you for this video Samantha. It was very well done. You really did your research and your presentation was amazing! ❤🙏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it 😁
Very good video! Congrats!
Samantha Ghost you have some great topics on this channel! I hope you're going to keep it going as I am officially subbing !!
Thank you! 🖤
Not everyone wants or care to leave a mark in the world. They're other ways to leave a mark and not necessarily fame like people think. Not everyone wants to be famous.
Well, obviously. I was more referring to the specific group of people in the video
There’s other ways to leave a mark on the world besides fame...I don’t think Dorian was necessarily referring to fame alone
HUNTER SCHAFFER for VENUS Biopic!
I'm 61, grew up in Boston projects, gay. In 84 I reunited with Christ. Yahova only accepts marriage as the basis for intercourse, if you approve of activities He disapproves of, you are being His enemy, hell awaits all His enemies, straight, gay or whatever
Such a sweet soul❤
Thank you well spoken story
I did not know Venus that well but I did use to see here around and I know exactly where the hotel she was murdered at and not all of the trans women from the movie I did know quite a few of them from when I use to hung out at the club on 42 second street club Sally’s Hideaway has been closed for some years now sad to say but all of them the movie are no longer with us
Let’s get more protection for sex workers , I so relate with the heartbreak over hate crimes ..
She was a sweet heart that got killed for being her and living her life as she pleases ..too have that happend too her was just plain ass wrong..just wrong.. I wonder if they ever found her killers....
R.I.P - #MissVenusXtravaganza🚬🚬💋💋🧚♀️🧚♀️
Thank You.
She kept that secret maybe it was a self defense but who's was believing a transgender woman
I love the video but i have one small problem, in the trans community we do not wish to be known by our legal names, so from this point on i ask you to please not use the legal names of trans people in your videos, otherwise the video is incredible!!
Funeral. Service_ I didn’t mean any disrespect. I like to include as much information/history as possible when I do my videos. That’s why I only said it one time.
@@samanthaghost please, take the criticism. one time is one too much.
Some of you have no idea what it was like in the past. Stop being so offended by everything. I'm part of the community, i grew up in the 80's when it wasn't ok to be who you were. Now Trans people are hating on her for using their legal names? You can't hide from who you once were. Embrace everything that you were and everything you are now. People have gotten too soft. The acceptance that exists these days was unheard of. These girls paved the way for many of these offended and entitled queens today. Be proud of every part of you from the day you were born, to your transition, to your final days. Stop being so sensitive. It's counterproductive in the big scheme of life. 🙏❤️🙏❤️
@@samanthaghost you did nothing wrong
When i was growing up in the late 70s and 80s they where the ones that truly had heinous crimes and treatment towards them 😢..I wish no matter how insecure they felt just always be truthful before it goes to that "place"..The world has gotten meaner now..PLS use common sense and stay safe😢
Excuse me ma'am I want this to be very clear that the white gay community had nothing to do with the ballroom scene that we know of right now nor any of the phrases that comes from the ballroom scene past present and future despite them using it constantly the term drag what pioneered by a black homosexual man in the late 1800s because he was known for his elegant gowns that drag the floor yes white homosexual men also had their own private clubs where they might have cross-dressed but it was nothing like the game black scene and what we did and our ballrooms and our categories in our Ballroom because we had much more than theirs they just wanted to see if you could dress up like a woman just like The Wizard of Oz is far different than the Wiz ours is better The Wizard of Oz the tin-man talks about If I Only Had a Heart in The Wiz we talked about if we can feel what does the heart do it helps you feel what's the sense of you have in the heart if you don't know what it's for.
I wwish more people would watch this film.Maybe they would have more compassion for the trans people.
I still don't want younger people taking hormones or having surgery before they are 18.Those surgeries can have complications
Why is there no footage to be shown about the ball culture of the ; 20's, 30's, 40's,50's etc.? I would love to see that footage.
Good question! I have a feeling part of the reason is because photography and videography was extremely rare and expensive during the early 1900’s and considering drag wasn’t at all socially acceptable, it was mostly underground/secret. There are some photos I came across while doing research but videos are rare
I believe Venus practiced Santeria.She mentions how she PRAYED to HER Saint and referred to The Saint as HER. Only Saint I know is LA Santa Muerte. She PRAYED for Protection from Envious Friends ,for them not to hurt her. The TRUTH is Out there
If she practiced Santeria, which I doubt, since her upbringing was Italian and puertorican.
Venus could have been raised Catholic and there are females Catholic Saints. However, there are females saints in Santeria ( Yemaya, Ochun, Oba, Oya, etc).
I don’t think many people pray to La Santa Muerte.
@taliavelazquez358 ok ..thank you for sharing. I was intrigued by Venus since I watched Paris is Burning. To bad she had a tragic end. Are you a Santera?
Sorry but she did not look like a woman at all to me.
So there’s a template is there?
I new Venus Extravaganza very well. I actually stayed over her house once or twice with a friend. It was so sad when we found out about her death in late 1988. It felt like there was a dark cloud over us for a while. Well I know I was affected by her death saying to myself, I can't believe I wasn't going to see her anymore. Venus was always a lot of fun to be around. As small as she was she made up for it with her funny ways & kindness. I remember a night we were all at a club called the Paradise Garage in downtown Manhattan. Boy George happened to be in the club hanging out and guess who ends up sitting on Boy George's lap? Know other than Venus herself. Venus had Boy George laughing so much. He was loving little Venus. It's times like that, that make me miss venus something terribly. I miss her dearly. She did not deserve to die like that. No one does. RIP my little sister. God Bless your Soul.🙏
Sadddddd very saddd someone choked her in a hotel .the hotel didn’t have any cameras , how about the men you pay when u go to a hotel I mean the manager
what year was this that the Boy George thing happened
@@christmastree6817 I would say around 1986 or 87. Venus was so small next to Boy George. I'm 5'7 Venus was about 5'2 maybe smaller. Bless her soul.🙏💕🙏
@@kellymendez there were rumors it was a certain person who was obsessed with her she knew but there were just rumors. Her boyfriend at the time was heartbroken. He really loved Venus. I ran into him years later he is
doing well and got married has kids to. I was happy for him.
@@rickyparrilla2426 ohh. Wow
Venus was legendary. She was a star.
And for Nikita Dragun to use her and other trans women with “D*CK” on their faces?! Is just plain disrespectful. These trans women and drag queens are the real TRANS POPSTARS. Periodt
Venus was someone I respected so much,because she was never afraid to be herself,& that takes courage,& here it is all these yrs later,& still nobody knows who murdered her R.I.P.VENUS
Police back then had no respect for gay people let alone transvestites. I'm sure they didn't take her case very seriously. I remember asking for help by two Police officers around that time and they completely ignored me. I have never forgotten that. They treated gay people like freaks.
You did the Venus Justice!!!❤
Even in her death her family still refuses to acknowledge her as she or venus which is very disgusting. The hate in transphobic people is very strong and very disturbing and so wrong. They dont get to decide other people's identify. Her tombstone should say venus not her dead name she would have hated that im sure she's turning in her grave even in her death her parents refuse to respect her. Her transphobic parents can honestly go to hell.
I saw her "find a grave" and it says her male name.smh!
They simply were not playing the game.
@@sypros5621 who she is is not a game. Read your other 3 comments. Your a HUGE piece of 💩. You must live a very happy life.
Her life was louder, than any tombstone
Her family have no obligations to placate anybody. Venus was a biological man and that was her birth name. We do not get to decide on what we are in terms of race and gender because it is ingrained in our DNA. Whatever we think to the contrary only exist in our heads. Even if we change via hormones or surgery, our bodies will continue to go through changes throughout our lives as our biological sex.
You're a true Ally, Sammy! Ive just discovered your channel and you slay it.
Thank you so much ☺️ 🖤
I have watched this several times. I knew Venus from Jersey City where she lived. Before she moved to New York. I remember when she started to come out of the closet (how we used today back then). SAD that her killer was not caught!!! This case should be reopened.
Her story always made me so sad and resonated with me as a young adult. Its so sad to think about because Venus wasnt scared to be herself but you could see how scared she was of the world. She was such a light but you could see the mix of hope and fear in her eyes.
Good stuff! This provided extra info I didn't know about Venus and her murder. Just watched the show "Pose" (based on this world back then) and they had a murder like that in the plot line. Very sad!
“𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝗀𝗈𝗇 𝖻𝖾𝗅𝗂𝖾𝗏𝖾 𝖺 𝗐𝗁𝗈𝗅𝖾 𝗍𝗋𝖺𝗇𝗌𝗌𝖾𝗑𝗎𝖺𝗅”
Candy ferocity-
I imagine they were fully aware she was trans , so much self hate crime ie the killer violently killed her due to there own horrendous mind set
Great job covering this story. Just a thought, do you think mariahlynn from love n hip-hop new York could be related to Venus?? I mean they have the same backgrounds and from Jersey City and also they resemble a lot. Just a thought that can to mind. Great job again ❤️
Thank you for bringing this tragedy to light. Thousands of transgender youth are being killed needlessly and their cases need to be solved. They were human also.
Thank you for making such a heartfelt video and taking the time to do your research about the ball scene and about Venus and also Dorian. You seem like a very nice and caring person. ❤️
Does anyone know where The Duchess Hotel is located at? I know it may seem morbid but I’m just wondering...RIP Venus 💞
The reason why she didn't have to walk because Papa Hector new with her petite frame and her features that once she is in a house and he invested a bit all of that was coming back because she was guaranteed to win especially for realness and that's the real one everybody wants and his investment did payoff even though she didn't get to chance to live the life that he wanted her to live and I wish that she had enough time to finish completing herself but like any of the Angel they had to go
Late but great video. As a puertorican being gay is not accepted at all. Even today you will be "accepted" but not really although the love for family members who are will be there. Great addition with the video clips love it as it makes audiences more engaged. Love you Samantha Ghost.
WOW...WOW!! So interesting! I have never heard of Paris is Burning, I'm gonna watch it this weekend. Ty for sharing this sad but intriguing story!
Thank you so much! 🖤 I know you’ll like it 😁 I also found a show on Netflix called Dragula, it’s like RuPauls Drag Race except it’s really dark and gothic. I binged a whole season last night 😆
It’s up for free on TH-cam!
watch Pose it’s on Netflix & it’s good!!
Hector Extravaganza was not venue's gay father. Frankie Magnific was venue's gay father. They show them walking together in Paris is Burning. Frankie was so hurt by venues murder. We all were hurt by that. Everyone loved venues she was harmless and fun to be around. She is missed still.
The house of Extravaganza did a ball and raise the money for her funeral
She was never in a place where she was safe. She found a home where she didn't have to live in fear alone. Thank you for making this video.
This video is brilliantly done 🥰
I watched this you did good Samantha everyone wants to be remembered and I think you showed compassion. This is sad how things happened for the worst for many of the people from the film and no one covered their stories afterward it's great to see you are paying homage to them they deserve it LONG LIVE the 1980's!!!.
Watch the show Legendary to see a ballroom competition!
I wanted to preface by saying i'm very thankfull for your video and research**
Just wanted to give you a small feedback too, in terms of more appropriate language - instead of "actually female" you can say "biological/biologically born female"; instead of "looked like a woman" saying "has a very feminine presentation" or "passing" as the default beauty standard (in a heteronormative society ofc). Don't confuse "being a woman" with being biologically born a female. Our language shapes ideas and I understood perfectly you have a lot of respect towards this subject, I'm sure you've grown in the subject as this video is more than a year old, but the way you spoke might be misinterpreted and used against you and the community. Yet, again, thank you for your work
I'm watching Paris is burning and looking up a bit of ball scene as part of my novel research for a trans character in my story ❤️😊
Thank you for making a video about Miss Venus. There must be DNA evidence on her clothes and the bedding around her body. Why doesn't the Police test the evidence for DNA? Her murder must be looked into. Her murderer must be brought to justice. It's still an open case. What can we do to force the police to do more than just look into her case? How do we get the police to test the DNA evidence from the crime seen and her clothing?
It’s my pleasure, thank you for watching! I wish I knew how to make them go back and test everything, it’s still a cold case so they should still be looking into new leads at least, but there are none :( maybe people could write to the police department? And ask them to look at her case again, but it might take a lot of people to persuade them
The world has changed SO MUCH since the wonderful and glorious 1980s. In most ways, I definitely think the change has been dramatically for the worst, but forensic testing capabilities are one thing that is remarkably better. Back then, far less DNA could be extracted and preserved, and far less could be done with it, unfortunately.
(I already typed out the whole comment I had on this video, but it got deleted somehow. I'm so pissed, I can't even fathom it into words. I could swallow lava....!! 😤😤😤) This is probably by far my favorite video of yours - and that's saying a lot considering how much of a fan-boy I am of your channel. I love the research you put in to this video; a lot of effort and passion must've went into this one, seeing as the topic at hand is so sensitive. You must've learned a bunch about the history of the LGBTQ+ making this video and garnered a whole new appreciation for who they are and what they stand for - I know I have. And I ain't saying all your other vids lacks in comparison to this *clears throat*, but your passion for this one REALLY shows!
It's kind of odd to me how nobody covered a hands-on video about Venus, even though she's as prominent a figure as Dorian Corey herself. Sam, you really have a knack cor discussing serious real-world problems, the irregular and iconic figures amongst our society, and I appreciate that. Of all the videos you could be made. You really care about shedding light on important - sometimes obscure - topics in your vids, and that's what makes you stand out to me.
I hadn't a clue about the LGBTQ+ scene throughout the early 1900s, so that one really caught me as something interesting and worth keeping in mind. People were expressing themselves freely when being different meant ridicule, abandonment, isolation and sometimes death. There was just so much blindness back then of preferences, it blinded us to the fact we're all humans and we're all in this world together, whether we like it or not. Venus was one of many who expressed herself without a care in the world, as if all this hatred on human nature & expression never existed. For that, I can't help but idolize her. You helped me expand what I knew about others and the world we live in once more, Sam, and I thank you tons for it. You did Venus and all those ridiculed justice. Karma's gonna come at you twice as hard for all the good you teach us on every one of your videos. Stay safe and as always, you're the coolest 😸👍✌
Can you do a video on the transwoman Shalimar Seiuli? Her death was very suspicious. Ed Murphy gave her a ride at 2am in 1998. Hollywood made the scandal disappear.
I’ll definitely look into that, thank you for the suggestion!
I wish new evidence would come to light.
You’re such a lovely person, thank you so much for this video, just watched Paris is burning and I’m looking for any related video
I would love to see you do something about charmed.Theres been a debate about how the old charmed wasnt feminist and that it was offensive to some cultures.And theres also that thing with Shannon quitting and a possible physical fight between her and Alysa milano.btw you just got a new subscriber,I've been binge Watching you all night.
Thank you so much for subscribing, I really appreciate it! And I will definitely look into that, I don’t remember hearing about it so it will definitely be interesting to research it! Thank you for the suggestion 🖤
Yes!
I enjoyed this video. It's an important topic still today and personally I think it's very good that cis-women also makes content about it and not just trans people. And people are still learning with pronouns etc. Very good work girl. Peace & Love ✌️❤️
Thank you so much 😊 I’m glad you liked it
Great video! Very informative.
I was wondering about the Duchess Hotel. I can't find any evidence of it existing. There is a hotel called the Dutchess, but it's in upstate New York, not NYC. Does anyone know what happened to it? Thanks
Same. I can't tell you how hard i've searched. I think either that wasn't the true name of the hotel she was murdered at or the hotel still exists and the name was changed. Wish someone would confirm though.
Venus was such a beautiful person and soul she knew exactly who she was and what she wanted sbf lots of ppl can't say that about themselves the last scene with Venus smoking by the boombox I was obsessed with it gave me chills
How am I just finding you... Subscribed and You I #Stan for officially ✊🏿 Much Love
Ty.. I was approached today about something regarding venus n I decided to do research on the story.... iv heard stories from my mother cuz she was actually venus's best friend... but I never knew the story was an actual known known story... so ty
You’re very welcome!
Firstly, I want to thank you for your advocacy for LGBTQI+ folks and POC. It’s difficult for minorities in this country, but even more so when you are a compound minority. The only correction I have is when referring to the Trans population. We now know that to accurately identify one’s gender, a chromosome test must be implemented, gender isn’t merely our anatomical parts, but a deeper concept. To call trans women “not real” is the same as saying people born in this country who aren’t white are not real American.
Venus is truly a lost princess, not Anastasia Romanov💔
praising a man pretending to be a woman over an actual woman who suffered such tragedy is disgusting. misogynistic freak.
She was found by the cleaning person
There was no autopsy or anything like that because her family was ashamed and wanted it covered up Legend has it when Mama Angie told them didn't have much of a reaction didn't want to hear anything about it
Wow!! 😢
If we keep talking about it hopefully they will give pressure to the NYC Police Department to investigate the cold Case file
The film cruising shows how the police treated the trans community & I’m from the uk we have prejudice here & I can only imagine how it is in the USA , iv been to NYC , San Fran … well done for this as more information is out there , much more of a chance there can be some justice or closure
Women don't act like that, and you being a woman would know that.
I really like your energy ❤️ I subscribed
Venus and Angie we used to hang out in the piers breaking night in the summer time
You did such a great job with this video! Liked and subbed!! Thank you for correcting yourself in the comments too.
Great video. Well done.
Great video Samantha.. I have a great video idea for you,.
Art Ms Ree Thank you! What video idea is that?
@@samanthaghost The story about a Drag Queen from Texas named Brandi West aka Cliff Youens
Art Ms Ree I’ll look into that, thank you for the suggestion!
You covered this story so well Thank You !❤❤❤❤🥰🥰🥰 great job .......
Venus Xtravaganza was my favorite in Paris is Burning
For real, they were the true icons and legends. New subscriber here!
the real not slim but shady Thank you for subscribing 🖤👻
Great video, well done
I know it's spelled Greenwich Village but it's pronounced Grenich
Thank you, because I cringed when I heard her pronunciation. She meant well tho.
@SamanthaGhost - your heart is in the right place, but I must correct you - the biological parents of Venus Xtravaganza were not around to denounce the dinner mystery theater based on her death in 2013. I would know this very well...because MY GRANDFATHER died in 2003, and MY GRANDMOTHER died in 2010, and unfortunately my aunt died when I was 18 months old.
I sent you a friend request and a private message on Facebook (look for a red Statue of Liberty pic) and you will be filled in on more.
God speed, comrade.
M. Pellagatti
P.S. you have really good taste in music. I have seen Soilwork live at Ozzfest 2005. Although I am more into power metal, symphonic metal, and thrash. Give me Judas Priest (that’s my number 1) Sabaton, Powerwolf, Unleash the Archers, Alien Weaponry, Pre-1990s Metallica, Maiden, Slayer, Visions of Atlantis any day...
Sometimes I can get down with Nightwish and Ghost too, but it really depends on how drunk I am.
@@MPP316 Thank you for watching and thank you for correcting that. Sometimes the information on the internet can be a bit off, I do try my best though 🙂 and music is life haha I love all music
So well done!
What is a spoiler
A spoiler is when someone tells you how something ends before you get to see it.
You got a lot of views on Dorian bc the movie Paris is burning is a huge LGBT documentary and very important.
So Venus was not killed by the guy she was seeing and was on the bus sitting next to Venus on the charter bus they took to DC for a ball?
Many gays and trans women have had to do sex work to survive. Many have lost their lives in that dangerous work and lifestyle. The police put a low priority into these cases and many of the killers never found.
How could you say Venus may have faked her death and maybe ran off with a man?! When her body is buried ?! So she’s dead if you’re buried, unless they couldn’t find her body, but then why are they saying ages dead?!
Also, what Benus said in the movie that you say was copied from Venus is not true bc we all were using those slang terms like in 1981 and about 10 years before the movie came out. Yeah, we were all taking gay black slang in urban cities. We also were using she and her for other gay men. You just had to be there and I’m not even talking east coast gays bc this was in San Franscisco.
Oh and saying girl to other gay men. I was using that so frequently, I didn’t realize that seem weird hearing to straight ppl.
Also, the monkey joke was not unique to Venus and was a common read.
New to this channel 👌😌 good job
I remember her
@samanthaghost 3215. I'm sorry if I seem brash but it is annoying I am glad that somebody is highlighting her life because she deserves it I mean Matthew Shepard was all over the news but many trans women of color was murdered and no bills no laws nothing has been set a trans woman of color was murdered in front of everybody stabbed up and nobody said anything. What I'm saying is like I said it's annoying that everything we have even though in your head you might have good intent and other people like you of your background but y'all coming to the circle y'all coming to our spaces y'all are like visitors and where the zoo exhibits y'all critique and most of the time take from I'm not saying this is you but many homosexual white men since the 90s and Madonna's invasion of the ballroom scene has come in and has tried to speak on the behalf of our community and our culture the Ballroom community which was established in the late 1800's actually in Harlem it just was severely Underground the white gay community scene it's nothing like people of color Ballroom scene but over and over it's been absorbed and taking over by the non people of color community our phrases our mannerisms and yes I'm a full-on woman natural born but I'm bisexual and I'm black most of all so these are my people
Great retrospective! If I could give a little insight though: You did a great job respecting pronouns and gender, but I noticed in the beginning you mentioned Venus’ given birth name. Even though it’s part of her biography, many trans people could see this as disrespectful (I know you didn’t mean it that way) as trans people decide their chosen names for a reason, and that’s because it’s what they want themselves to be known as. It can be very humiliating for a trans person to have their ‘dead name’ constantly tied to them. Their chosen names are a symbolic way to break free from a life and gender role that was forced upon them by society.
Also, saying things like: “She looks like a woman” and “I thought she was a woman” and “the man she dated didn’t know she wasn’t a woman” can be very insulting and not as much of a complement as CIS people tend to think it is. It’s ‘othering’ trans people and invalidating their existence. This line of thinking is exactly what has historically lead to trans people (especially trans-women) being murdered in a cisnormative and heteronormative society.
Hope this insight helps. 🙂