Ulster-Scots Land Origins of Appalachia's Bogeyman
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- If you were a child in Appalachia, the Ozarks, or the Texas Hill Country, you may have been ordered by a parent to "get in this house, or the bogeyman will get you." Join Barry Vann as he goes in search of the Scottish origins of Appalachia's bogeyman.
I was warned about the " Boogerman is going to get you " by my grandmother whose maiden name was McLeod.
One can't get much more Scottish than McLeod! Thanks, Clifton!
Fantastic! Always such GREAT information, Barry!
Glad you think so, DD! Barry
Ha Ha! Thank you for reviving an old memory from my childhood! What you said about the boogieman was just what my mom would say to us when we were bad! "I'll put you outside and let the boogieman get you!!" We straightened right up, man! Lol!
It sounds like we have some common experiences, Earl! Thanks for sharing with us. Barry
Oh geeze, another bloody Graham. Thought I knew about all of them!. Everything I run across one of your vids, I reach for paper and pen ! I still think we're related. We're clan Montrose. Great job!!!
If there was a capital of Appalachia, it would be Pittsburgh. At one time, Pittsburgh had the most Presbyterian in the America.
The Covenanters certainly had a hard time of it. America must have looked a good option. Incidentally I have heard that the origins of Appalachian folk music could be of Scotch/Irish descent. What do you think?
Yes, indeed, the roots of American country music, like whiskey, came from the Scots-Irish settlers in the backcountry of America. th-cam.com/video/XYIQL0np5mI/w-d-xo.html
In Scotland we called the name Bowgie Man as children!
One of my great-great grandmothers was from Ayrshire, Scotland, but her family considered themselves Irish...they settled around Sand Mountain, AL. When I was in the service in the Middle East, the RAF Catholic chaplain was from Scotland, but also considered himself Irish. Borders mean little if anything sometimes.
That’s very true about boarders as they are man made and change with time. Surnames can also be misleading. Take my best friend whose last name is Stewart. He’s 75% Italian.
Ammo08, I wrote a couple of books on that topic. It had a lot to do with where the political pressure was most applied. As that pressure changed, so did the direction of the migration flows. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1931-0846.2010.00063.x?journalCode=utgr20
Sand Mountain, AL. Are there any Kilpatricks there?
Thank you, well explained. Looking back at "christian" history is more than confusing. For god loved the world so much he sent swordsmen to kill any who did not conform. Does that make any sense?
Humans have free will, and we don't always follow Christ, even when we claim that is our purpose. Some people also covet power.
Very Good!... 37 🐄🦉🏴☠
Many thanks again, Carl! I appreciate the positive feedback. It makes my effort feel like a worthy exercise.
My parents always threatened me with the boogie man. They come from Kentucky. I am 61 now, but when I was a kid, I remember laying on my side in bed, listening to the steady steps of the boogie man walking toward me. I realized later, it was only my heart beat I was hearing in my pillow, but I was convinced then, it was the boogie man. My parents told me I had to lay very still to say safe and fall asleep. It worked like a charm for all involved. Lol. Now the boogie man is Sasquatch. I don't want to see one.
I wonder, since I know for certain that there was so much Scottish influence on the eastern tribes, if there isn’t some relation between the dances and even the medicine hoop, Celtic cross, and compass. Symbology is so fascinating to me.
V, that's an interesting question. It's one to which I really don't have answer. The Scots were the face of the British Empire in colonial times.
@@BarryVann indeed. But they were, at least sometimes, indentured servants to the British Empire. It was a strange dynamic under which to forge England, west. The ant bed tactics still used daily, *ages two and above.
One thing is abundantly clear: if you can break unity of any tract, bond, treaty, contract... victory is yours. We are as strong as our weakest link. And some of our links are toothless.
@@user-ey4rc5tu4t I'm not sure I can see a connection between what you are saying and the video?
Indeed. I found a Nez Perce tribal song that certainly bears strong similarity to the Appalachian song "Ground Hog" There's no doubt in my mind the Tribe originally obtained the song from trappers from perhaps 1810 to 1840 (?) Or, perhaps the trappers got it from Nez Perce at their Rendezvous. Bravo, V..
@@Calatriste54 Absolutely!
Funny how terms can have wildly vaying, even opposite meanings. My family uses Scot-Irish to mean Scots who were forced from Scotland to settle in Northern Ireland, m
True. Patrick Griffin titled his dissertation that became a book The People With Name: Ireland's Ulster-Scots, America's Scots-Irish, and the Creation of a British Atlantic World, 1689-1764.
we just told be good or the boogerman would get you.
Makes it alittle more clear why my 2 Ancestors (the Crain Brothers) came over from Wales in 1700. They were Presbyterian Ministers...
Thanks for the kind words! I subscribed to your channel. I look forward to watching your videos.
Sounds like what Sir Robert Grierson. "Cruel Lag" did to the Scottish Covenanters especially, near Galloway. He is a great grandfather,way back.
I have enjoyed your videos, I always wondered where the story of the booger man, that's what my Mamaw called it, came from. I was also wanting to know if you know where the surname McKiddy is from?
Glad you enjoyed it! I have placed McKiddy on the production list. It may take a few weeks to get to it. Please stay tuned. Barry
It's 'bogey man' in Scotland not 'boogie man'.
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This is so interesting! I’ve lived in Virginia most of my life and as far as I can tell, my ancestors going back to my 5th Great-Grandparents, came to Virginia. My DNA 🧬 is 32% Scotland 🏴; 32% England 🏴,
17% Ireland 🇮🇪, 8% Wales 🏴, 5% Sweden 🇸🇪 & Denmark 🇩🇰; 4% Norway 🇳🇴.
Hi Teresa, you and I have a similar autosomal DNA pattern.
@@BarryVann Well, who knows?? We may be distant cousins! Ancestry DNA 🧬 connects you with DNA cousins as far back as 4th or 5th. Most I have never heard of.
@@TeresaEAnn same here, Teresa. I have three 1st to 2nd cousins I have never met. I suspect that my grandfather did some unfaithful things.
@@baronvann1314 - Mine too!! That entire side of the family were always keeping things secret! That’s my Mother’s Father’s (Paternal) side. There last name was Burns.
@@TeresaEAnn One can't get much more Scottish than with the name Burns. A creek in Scotland is a burn.
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you.
You are welcome. I appreciate the positive feedback! Blessings, Barry
The boogieman my mom would scare me with was Pancho Villa. I have grown up to admire him greatly, as I do the other peasant leaders of the Mexican Revolution.
It's interesting that such a parental tactic is found in many cultures. Thanks for sharing that reflection with us. Barry
@@BarryVann I'm a Spanish-speaking lawyer.
My office is full of pictures of Pancho Villa, Emiliano Zapata, Benito Juarez (Mexico's Lincoln, from 50 years earlier -- he defeated Maximilian), Lazaro Cardenas (their FDR, who nationalized British Petroleum holdings in Mexico in the 30s), Diego Rivera, Frida Kahlo, et al.
Clients comment on the Villa pictures, I tell that story about my Mom, and my Mexican clients laugh uproariously. Needless to say, I don't represent many of the wealthy ones.
Loved your history. I am descended from the Dutch, (1630,) French Huguenot (1624 New Amsterdam), Ulster (Mellon), Ireland, (McCormick), Scotland (old Ayshire, Kennedy) English (Mulford), Gardiner ) Rogers 1640 Virginia) all call myself north European Mongrel. So I am mixed Orange and Green Irish. One of my ancestors relatives were the Clark's of George Rogers Clark and his brother William Cark of the Lewis & Clark expedition. I am even descended from the Original Rockefeller in N.J.
That's pretty cool, Joseph!
I bet those Rockefellers didn't share in the fortune they amassed. Like Ol'Fats Domino sang "Ain't That A Shame".
@@carywest9256 Neither did the Mellon Side of the family or the Gardiners of Long Island.
you too! Happy New Year too!
The book The Movers by Nancy Baxter is a good read
Gary, I have to recommend my book as well: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-british-studies/article/abs/barry-aron-vann-in-search-of-ulsterscots-land-the-birth-and-geotheological-imaginings-of-a-transatlantic-people-16031703-columbia-university-of-south-carolina-press-2008-pp-vii252-3995-cloth/23905499DF52DDC4C0B9A9862F39355E
I've heard of the bogeyman, but we were threatened with tanny bogus, especially by my aunts on my mother's side of family.
I always thought the boogyman was the devil.
In a sense, Graham was an evil being.
@@BarryVann My grandmaw had a big cleaning brush with a handle in her pantry. She said to stay out of the pantry (a closet in the kitchen). She said that was the boogeyman's toothbrush! Of course she'd talk about the boogeyman getting you! We just called her 'Maw." She had a lot of superstitions too!
My Great Grandmother lived to be 106, & she would scare me with Bloody Clavers. In my young mind, I pictured Freddie Kruger with those long finger knives, that I thought were cleavers, with blood dripping down. I grew up in East Tennessee, so you are 100% correct. I was also not supposed to like anyone with the surname Graham. When I started dating, my Grandmother used to check the boy's ancestry. 😂😂😅
That's an amazing story, Nancy! Patterson is a string Scottish name! Barry
Our bogey man was called Lubosky..I believe that name was chosen for the fear factor.Lubosky would show up at our window with a flashlight partially under the chin and with a World War one overcoat on..We all knew he wasn't a real terror but we were somewhat scared but thrlled also, lots of laughing and screeking also Paul from Ohio..
Thanks, Paul. Lubosky sounds Polish to me. That name's more than a bit unusual for the South and Southern Appalachia. Beyond that, though, it does seem that every culture has traditions of boogey man.
Although at least one of my ancestors was an indenture from Jacobean wars, I find that most of them were Loyalists. My husband’s ancestor was loyal to Charles I, over Cromwell. It was so odd to discover that my family, at least on my mother’s side were Loyalists. On my fathers, Patriots. I have some dissonance that the Patriots were pushed farther west.
You are correct, V! Thanks for offering some additional information. They went to the backcountry.
@@baronvann1314 they were at once both Cherokee and English. But, Alabama made them White.
We always heard the Boogeyman and rawhead bloody Bones will get you
I have never heard of rawhead bloody bones. I'll have to check that out!
I too was threatened with the bogyman growing up.
The Bogeyman was very prevalent in my younger days in Scotland he sure put the fear into you as your eyes popped out of your head away back then .
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
@@BarryVann thank you for responding. Question: my paternal ancestors were said to have come from Brecon Wales and that the surname came from the common Welsh given name Rhys. But from all that is known about the early Reeses they arrived with the Ulster Scots migration, lived among, migrated with and intermarried with the Scots Irish. The earliest ancestor that I can put a name to, in this country, was a Presbyterian elder at, I believe, Poplar Tent Church in N.Carolina. Could the Scots Irish migration be better described as a Presbyterian migration or is it more possible that my ancestors were more likely Scots Irish and not Welsh at all? I'd appreciate your comment. Thanks.
My dad's side of the family that settled the Appalachians and Tennessee and Ozarks.
Although Ulster Scots settled in Appalachia they are often the only ethnic group said to have settled the region but many welsh,Irish,English and Germans also settled in the region at the same time
It gets more complicated when one realizes that many of them left Ulster. Davy Crocket's family is an example.
@@BarryVann true. And at that it is often said that the crocketts weren’t ulster- Scots but french Protestants who came to Ireland first in the 1600s fleeing the persecution of the mostly catholic nation
vestty not to forget the earlier scots.