The benefit of roller bearings vs SRBS or MRBS systems is lateral stability around the pivot. Rollers are much less likely to damage interior surfaces when excess forces are applied. The show pivot is captured by a ball bearing so it will not freely rotate.
That plunge grind line near the pivot is classic shiro, but I feel like it clashes somewhat with the curvy RJ Martin lines everywhere else. Just my two cents, which is about how much I have saved up toward a knife like this...
I own one. I love it. I am lucky. I own 1 of 100 for the USA. I own some that are rarer and less made, but ohman I love this one. I agree with his review 1000%. Thank you Sir for your awesome reviews..
I just purchased a Rockstead Shin from Recon 1 and I’m in the hunt to find someone to make me a black timascus or mokuti clip for it. That pocket clip just doesn’t fit with the rest of the knife. Any ideas where I could have one made for it Doc?
Great video Frank, when you decide to to sell it let me know. I think it's fair to say we're due to finally do a deal! Mean time I hope all is well on your side.👊
Toughness is neat for hard use knives but when it comes flippers mainly on bearings I don’t think toughness is all that crucial especially for what that type of knife is for. Then again I’m a jackass on the internet.
You're totally right. Which is why it's likely a great steel choice for this knife. I just don't know how it performs over time, but I'm guessing it's going to be great.
im not giving them money again unless they actually comit to FULL internal milling what is this 30 percent ? every shiro iv had iv dumped while not bad i want more for my 1200 plus plus plus, set a high bar you have to keep a high bar
Good review. $1550 for a production knife is absurd, especially with the run-of-the-mill materials it uses - at that price range I expect custom hand-finished work, if not a hand ground blade. Shiro is definitely milking it for all that they can, especially with the odd design choices. I hope this is not a marked up Reate knife like CKF knives are...
@Marcquise White I've heard they use different contract manufacturers in China, including Kevin John, Reate, etc. However, they do "assemble" the knives in Russia FWIW
Although they are CNC machining, there is a fair amount of manual labor that goes into Shirogorov knives...including the blade. I wouldn't call M398 "run-of-the-mill". The $500-$600 markup is common with collaborations. Not saying the price is justified, but plenty are willing to pay it.
I do agree that their pricing in general is about $100-200 too high, but the market supports their pricing structure. I'm happy with my shiros. The blade on this is hand ground, as are pretty much all shiro blades. There is a lot of hand finishing that goes on at shiro with each individual knife. The rumor that started a long time ago about shiro having parts made in china has no backing, it's just hearsay. They heat treat their own steels, make all the screws and parts, and assemble and hand finish the knives. The only part they've said they outsource is their bearings.
@@Rothbardy I agree that the market dictates the pricing, so I have no complaints about that. Everybody has their own opinion and their own value on things, which is fine. However, do you have any evidence that Shiro's production blades are hand ground? If they truly were, don't you think they would advertise their production blades as being "hand ground" because that in itself would command a premium? By definition, a production blade isn't hand ground. There may be some "hand finishing", but not hand grinding.
@@vincea5535 All their blades are hand ground. Not just finished by hand: imgur.com/2Uhqk5v That's from the shiro subforum on the USN forums. They're not the best when marketing themselves and their process. Unfortunately. Some think there's no justification for their pricing.
Finally! I've been waiting on this review :D
👊👊👊
The benefit of roller bearings vs SRBS or MRBS systems is lateral stability around the pivot. Rollers are much less likely to damage interior surfaces when excess forces are applied. The show pivot is captured by a ball bearing so it will not freely rotate.
Knives with proprietary hardware should come with a tool for maintaining them.
especially at this price
Beautiful knife. Thanks for the review!
I really like that design! It’s so beautiful!
Check out RJ Martin. If you like this you would most likely like his designs. His work is very desirable from collectors.
I miss your videos doc. Please make more often. Great job btw
That plunge grind line near the pivot is classic shiro, but I feel like it clashes somewhat with the curvy RJ Martin lines everywhere else. Just my two cents, which is about how much I have saved up toward a knife like this...
Great review! The detent on my Russian Overkill is actually a little light for lightswitching but is fine for push button flipper deployment.
Have you tried the Shirogorov Quantum? That's the best one, IMO, hands down!
I haven't yet. The design does not grab me like some others, but you're not the first to say this to me! I should try one.
@@DoctorFrunkey I know I'm late to the show with this video over a yr old, I bet you have a Quantum by now?
I want a video on the manufacture speculation where are Shiros made if not in russia?!? (Legitimately asking) whats the rumors on it?
I own one. I love it. I am lucky. I own 1 of 100 for the USA. I own some that are rarer and less made, but ohman I love this one. I agree with his review 1000%. Thank you Sir for your awesome reviews..
That backspacer would drive me nuts!
How about a Haptic for a trade Doc?
Sorry I have already sold this.
I just purchased a Rockstead Shin from Recon 1 and I’m in the hunt to find someone to make me a black timascus or mokuti clip for it. That pocket clip just doesn’t fit with the rest of the knife. Any ideas where I could have one made for it Doc?
Gorgeous.
Great video Frank, when you decide to to sell it let me know. I think it's fair to say we're due to finally do a deal! Mean time I hope all is well on your side.👊
No one is going to be pushing that blade through metal. That blade will open envelopes and maybe cut a piece of fruit if it's ever used it all.
Let me know when you're bringing it to NY. 😃
Haha! No way!
Toughness is neat for hard use knives but when it comes flippers mainly on bearings I don’t think toughness is all that crucial especially for what that type of knife is for. Then again I’m a jackass on the internet.
You're totally right. Which is why it's likely a great steel choice for this knife. I just don't know how it performs over time, but I'm guessing it's going to be great.
Mr. Frunkey where you been bud? Holly smokes!!!!
Been hard to make videos lately, but I have a few more I'll be making soon
@@DoctorFrunkey we need more!
Looks like a 499 knife.
Those dumb screws. WE changed when everyone complained about the star shaped proprietary screws, shiro should wise up.
Who else is not paying for those alien screws¿
There was a time when they were. Now? No, not really. Competitors have caught up in all areas and for far fewer rubles.
this seems to have alot of bad for a $1500 knife
All these guys complaining about price on FRUNKYs channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
#clowns
im not giving them money again unless they actually comit to FULL internal milling what is this 30 percent ? every shiro iv had iv dumped while not bad i want more for my 1200 plus plus plus, set a high bar you have to keep a high bar
Good review. $1550 for a production knife is absurd, especially with the run-of-the-mill materials it uses - at that price range I expect custom hand-finished work, if not a hand ground blade. Shiro is definitely milking it for all that they can, especially with the odd design choices. I hope this is not a marked up Reate knife like CKF knives are...
@Marcquise White I've heard they use different contract manufacturers in China, including Kevin John, Reate, etc. However, they do "assemble" the knives in Russia FWIW
Although they are CNC machining, there is a fair amount of manual labor that goes into Shirogorov knives...including the blade. I wouldn't call M398 "run-of-the-mill". The $500-$600 markup is common with collaborations. Not saying the price is justified, but plenty are willing to pay it.
I do agree that their pricing in general is about $100-200 too high, but the market supports their pricing structure. I'm happy with my shiros.
The blade on this is hand ground, as are pretty much all shiro blades. There is a lot of hand finishing that goes on at shiro with each individual knife.
The rumor that started a long time ago about shiro having parts made in china has no backing, it's just hearsay. They heat treat their own steels, make all the screws and parts, and assemble and hand finish the knives. The only part they've said they outsource is their bearings.
@@Rothbardy I agree that the market dictates the pricing, so I have no complaints about that. Everybody has their own opinion and their own value on things, which is fine. However, do you have any evidence that Shiro's production blades are hand ground? If they truly were, don't you think they would advertise their production blades as being "hand ground" because that in itself would command a premium? By definition, a production blade isn't hand ground. There may be some "hand finishing", but not hand grinding.
@@vincea5535 All their blades are hand ground. Not just finished by hand: imgur.com/2Uhqk5v
That's from the shiro subforum on the USN forums.
They're not the best when marketing themselves and their process. Unfortunately. Some think there's no justification for their pricing.