Hands down best tip I've ever seen for fixing over the top! The use of both the bat and racket to visualize the correct swing path are genius! Love it!
For several months i was ott, read harvey penick and Bobby Jones plus got the set of Bobby's visual instructions, Harvey said to shift weight forward and bring trail elbow to the side at the same time but do it in super slo motion if you thought it was slow he said do it slower, i did that each night and that made me swing correctly, scores dropped drastically until i broke 80 then improvement was slower. At that point i could break par if i putted well. That drill and the feet together hitting full shots are really great. Feet together makes you swing in balance and with power but it takes time all of it does.
@@ElGolfeux I am subscribedto his online coaching website and watched for sure 95% of his videos on YT :D. I am a Malaska fanatic. Just so simple and easy
Mike is the best teacher on TH-cam! I am a 10 handicap . And have been trying to figure out how to shallow the club for years and I hurt my knee trying to turn and leave the club behind. Since I been watching Mike now for a couple weeks my ball striking has drastically improved. I wish I would have found him years ago. Thanks for everything! I have a feeling my handicap will be cut in half soon
This is THE best video on TH-cam for understanding and fixing the over the top move. I've watched many vids on this subject and I find this one beats them all. Went to the driving range with these ideas and it worked a charm, cant wait to try the new and improved swing on the course this weekend. Thanks Mr Malaska & Be Better Golf.
Mike has changed my golf hands down over every instructor , results are the only true example He explains everything so well I can work out what to work on to keep improving.
Mike Strikes Again!!! Motor Patterns is all I do all day in my office! Actually this is the final piece of the puzzle. This is the most important drill and concept for the pro swing.
I have recently taken on this swing concept . The truth is it is so different in my mind I feel the the ball would not go straight or long. But I am so amazed and how I am hitting the ball more consistent and longer, my compression seem so natural and easy. I have been doing exactly what Mike is describing in these videos, but one thing I found that even helped was that I had to feel the club head moving as my hands stayed in a stationary position, I feel the club head has to move way before your hands to get the clubhead in position to hit the ball.
"I feel the club head has to move way before your hands" you may think you are doing that but i doubt you are, the hands move first and the club head "lags" behind till just before impact where the lag is released for most club head speed.
Mike's content about WHAT the technique should be and WHY are superb. BUT the key to HOW TO LEARN is the best. How to learn a change in motor skill is something that is not addressed often enough. Exaggeration of the change is a great point! By the way, this change is exactly what I am working on! I have been over the top for years. One tool I am using is an obstacle to go around on my backswing. When the club is horizontal, the club has to be outside the obstacle (aim stick sticking up) and then inside the obstacle on downswing. I am probably 1,000 repetitions in, but can still do it wrong. I need to exaggerate more!
Geez - that was so useful! I’ve got the wrong loop going with my driver and 3-wood off the turf. I can’t stop bringing my hands inside with those long clubs. I’m going outside right now to start the loop in the other direction. Thanks for explaining what’s going on in such detail.
Love malaska a great.teacher and brendan is the best golf guru in the business. You.domgreat work hope all is well thx for making us better golfers. You da man.
Brendan, this is gold. I love malaska’s stuff. The clockwise circle hand path (righties) is it. Chuck quinton (rotary swing) takes it one step further. It starts with a clockwise circle on the trail foot then you add the arms in the same circle and you’ve got it. It also completely takes away the hit from the top because you don’t change the circle path on the downswing. All good players circle in one direction. Even the under the plane backswing folks, end up looping it back under. He calls it the AXIOM training. Alan.
@@krusher74 Have not seen those infomercials. I wish the specific part around the momentum was highlighted more. F.e. Danny Maude, who is considered pretty respectable in the field of instructions, have not highlighted this to this extend. Hey ... but I can't watch them all of course. 😂
Bobby jones let his hips take the club around then he rerouted the club slighty outside of his takeaway but it was inside the ball target line. Its a very powerful move, the hips moved his arms around the arms didn't move at all until he lifted them, he was across the line at the top because of how deep his hips moved. The downswing is a thing of poetry, he re- centered beautifully almost looked like a slight fall. In a major he won he played a par five 605 yards slight uphill, nobody had putted for eagle to that point, he hit driver-spoon to five feet and canned the eagle. Thirteen majors and retired at age of twenty eight. Going months without touching a club in between majors.
Should the trail shoulder feel more internally rotated on the backswing then external on the downswing like in tennis and baseball? It feels like a powerful position to be internal on the backswing instead of trying to be more external with the elbow tucked in tight. Any thoughts?
Completely different armswing in backswing for baseball and tennis think it’s called flying right elbow Freddie Couples does it but apparently it’s not good lol surprised they haven’t mentioned this
Great video Brendon and Mike. The end talks about the need to retrain motor skills, but baseball and tennis swings show these skills are already there. So to me the difference in the loop direction should be more to do with intention or perceived task rather than a lack of skill? If so is there some sort of reframing thought or change in task that might have you swing the club like a bat or a racquet automatically without thinking about it?
Brandon I looked at so many older great golfers they all took the club inside not like Floyd and Lopez but Palmer, Watson, Player , Snead, Jones, Nelson and so many more Trevino didn’t and had back problems now I think you get way better turns and coming down I think Mike Malaska has it right they all had the club upright before impact and after so I like the Joe Nichols style except for the takeaway I would rather take it inside and it’s a draw machine and beautiful baby draws and easy too control the golf industry changed the game I like the older swings for me .
As you make more room and stay back how to you make up that distance and not hit it off the toe? Is it made up with hip bend and the chest getting closer to the ball
No not really. He just knows a bit more on groundlelevel forces. Hence adjusting here and there. And there doesn’t exist something like a malaska move. It’s just a proper swing that any tour level uses.
You may want to look at some recent videos by Wayne Defrancesco about over the top from the inside. Lots of modern golfers loop from in to out, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Abraham Anser, Daniel Berger, Hovland, Cameron Champ, Tony Finau, many others.
IMO it’s about the arc of the clubhead in the back swing the wider the arc the more centrifugal force generated. That force equates simply to more clubhead speed generated the more distance. The problem is the bigger the arc the more upright swing required so on the way down the clubhead has to be shallowed. For decades this has been called dropping in to the “slot” the desire of many if not all great ball strikers.
Looping from inside isn’t just enough. Hands have to start faster from the top than shoulders. Hands have to work independently. Basic sequence in the beginning is that hands go down and the weight of the club turns the body around. And why I know this, I was a slicer but not any more because I learned the right sequence. I’m now a low singel handicap player, been for years. 90 % golfers have a slice tendency and 98% of pros can’t give a proper cure for that. That’s why hardly anyone learns unfortunately. This is a number one issue among golfers and golfindustry hasn’t find an answer to that. I took lessons from dozen pros and didn’t get any help. Finally figured that out my self with a little bit help.
@@Koboltgolf There are not many. Tony Luczak comes to my mind as one. Mike Malaska has some idea with his Malaska move as well and he talks about hands moving seperately, the final piece is still missing at least in his videos I have seen. Many pros have the hands down move as well but that is not enough for chronic slicer. Those hand have to be learned to speed up all the way down. There are so many teachers that talks about hands and body going with the same speed specially in the hitting zone but that is just a feel and is a definite no no to a slicer. The problem behind it is that that pro sequence (hands go seperately) is learned in a very young age and it becomes automatic. Pros don’t even realize that they speed up their hands even if they have the feeling of passive hands in the top of the back swing .I have to think those today but it was the opposite when I was a slicer.
So there is no such thing as the Miracle OTT swing? In reality it is over and back to the plane swing that a certain person on You Tube is now teaching . Very interesting. Very intersecting indeed Cheers🥂😊👍
David Ledbetter has this exact swing theory/lesson in his book "The A Swing" 8 years ago! Check it out. I incorporated it and my swing has changed so much for the better.
That is the position, this is more the force / torque on the club. Doesn’t have to be extreme but the torque on the club is necessary to balance the forces
Great video- like Mike’s info and admire Brandon’s curiosity - so many lessons and theories not enough time to really get better,just chasing the ideas and concepts. Guess that is “us” in a nutshell? Now back to Dr Kwan’s workshops.
Play off 9 but don’t play regularly. Mike is absolutely correct when he says you need to evaluate weather you need to change. I very slightly come over the top, tried fixing it for months with a world of pain and never played well whilst doing this. I don’t play enough to work it into my natural swing. Decided to just swing the club naturally and I’m back to playing well. I’m not going to be a pro so why try and be one!
Yes!!! I did the same thing. After you swing from the inside don’t keep swinging to first base Hit the ball from the inside and then exit left more toward 3 rd base.
Maintain and Swing the triangle of the connections of the shoulders; arms; and hands back and forth. While you might continue to feel like you are OTT; your shots will be pure and accurate.
Brendon, I've followed your progress from near the start.. I've never seen your swing pattern go out and inside, despite all your hours of effort trying to change it. In my humble opinion you're wasting precious time trying to change what is in your 'golfing DNA'. Why do you resist embracing it? With respect to Mike, imagine a coach saying to a junior Byron Nelson that he had to reverse his swing pattern - we'd probably never have heard of Nelson again; he'd still be on the range trying to 'fix what wasn't broken'. My belief is that this issue is a major flaw in current golf coaching, and that perhaps as much as 50% of players are naturally 'in to out' instinctive players. History has proven that so many of the greats played that way that surely it cannot be denied..(?)
All I know for right handed players at the transitional part of the swing the club loops clockwise inward. Every single time. With the progressive nonstop rotation of the body from one side to the other there is absolutely no need to consciously loop the club at all; just hold on to the handle of the club as your body rotates to the very finish of your swing. Cheers 👍😃⛳️🥂
The problem is all coaches and golf instructors always want the people who they are giving instructions. That they need to swing like pro. They never will. I didn’t take away lessons from anyone. And I knew I couldn’t swing like a pro. But I started out as a 130 handicap and now after 15 years of playing golf I am a 1 handicap .with hard work trying different things in my swing. And putting the ball in different positions and seeing what it does once I hit it. I tired different swings etc until my body felt like like it was working as all as one. And it wasn’t trying nothing you guys teach. Now I am not saying you are not great golfer or teachers of golf at all. But just be honest with them all the your swing doesn’t have to be on plane like a pro , and you don’t have to swing just like a pro. Because most of them can’t and never will. My swing a several parts . Baseball and tennis and ping-pong Slapping a but with right hand and only guiding with left hand throwing ground balls and watching what my body does by it self. And bowling and I wasn’t good at any of them. Just feel like my body does it on its own. Now you guys are great teachers of golf. I am sure if that. Not saying your not. Just my comment and my opinion. Now everything can hate on it if they want to. That’s their rights to do so.
@@kevinbeardsworth3756 Kevin I guess you can read. I can help if Siri doesn’t listen . But all you you read was 130 handi cap But you didn’t read the rest . And jump to conclusions. I will give you my address and fly you down here and play golf with me . The bet is 10,000 dollars for 18 holes low score. We will see if I am 130 handi cap. Dumb ass
Basically this is guff, there are loads of really significant golfers who have swung with a hand path that went OTT, but they still shallowed the club in transition, which is the big difference between amateurs and professionals. Milo did an excellent video a long time ago about how important the transition is and how it equalises out most of the differences in the backswing, check that one out.
No, not guff, malarkey or twaddle. However, I agree that many, probably most, top players have swung hands ott while rotating the lead arm/forearm clockwise at some time, some on the bs, some in transition, some on the ds, some a combination. Matt Wolff is an extreme example of lead arm rotation in transition, Bobby Locke of lead arm rotation on the ds. Mike should have mentioned this as it is critical. Unfortunately many amateurs are not capable of this movement because of inflexibility in the trail wrist, elbow and shoulders.
@@natsoti6268 True, no-one promotes it nowadays, since Snead (allegedly) introduced the one piece takeaway, teachers are not allowed to teach it. It would help a lot of elderly or inflexible golfers who instead are told to copy today's athletic, gym-trained power players. Inside worked for Vardon, Jones, Locke, Cotton, Olazabal etc. not to mention Finau, Hovland, Ancer.
This is common sense really. Teachers have been telling us this for 50 years now. The problem with this is he has no ‘inside ‘ he keeps on going out and stalls the body . Terrible drill ..
I get psychotic when Malaska is on your channel. It’s the shaft not the hands! The shaft shallows! You always show and talk about the HANDS looping. It’s the club shaft that shallows immediately at the beginning of the downswing. There is no need to loop the hands! Please watch almost every PGA player.
@@supercooloz13 hold your shaft 1/2 way up with it vertical. Now rotate your your hands clockwise to shallow the shaft. Your hands are involved like you said but there is no need to have a “ loop” in your swing involving your arms and hands like Malaska demonstrates. Also the “Malaska move”is one of the all time worst piece of advice ever. Someone needs to tell Mike you can see almost every tour players swing on TH-cam.
Sorry to break it to you mate it’s clearly going over your head but he’s doing what majority of professionals do. All he’s saying is hands in, club head out lol.
@@conorking9981 looks to me like he is demonstrating a loop with his hands and I see him demonstrating it all his videos. I’m talking about his demo of a slow motion practice swing. Sorry if you can’t see it.
As you said, Hogan, Jones, Snead all swung over the top but had early enough weight transfer (like a baseball pitcher) to create enough left side turn and clearance to allow room for a neutral swing path. The methodology of trying to get amateur golfers to drop inside or flatten consciously has failed for 40 years. Golfers achieve better results learning to swing like Pre 50s greats where they focus on one piece takeaway tracking inside and transferring weight to the left (for right handlers) earlier to naturally set the club into a good hitting position. You guys need to stop promoting dropping the club inside, it’s what ruins so many good players swing. Focus more on what a baseball batter does with his weight transfer when hitting a ball and less on his arms. The arms will always serve body shift, it’s physics……let go of the 1980s mind set.
So tired of seeing baseball and tennis related to golf. Of course in tennis and baseball there is a loop,bc your already standing and your tool is off the ground! In golf your going from the ground back to the ground. In the other sports your not hitting off the ground and your not bent over and the tool is not starting from the ground. So tired of seeing golf related to tennis and baseball and the shallowing “loop” of the 3
And the ball is normally falling as it approaches you. I was a darn good batter as a teenager and I played competitive tennis for years. Never have I tried to swing a golf club like a bat or racquet and I hit the golf ball pretty solid most of the time. Plus those terrible tennis racquet swings all these people make would be disastrous tennis shots. Two different sports.
The “loop” isn’t the main reason tennis and baseball are compared to golf, although Mike does go a little down that path here. It’s the elbow and wrist leading the racquet or bat that should be the main focus, because it’s the natural way to generate speed and integrity at the point of impact.
Hands down best tip I've ever seen for fixing over the top! The use of both the bat and racket to visualize the correct swing path are genius! Love it!
For several months i was ott, read harvey penick and Bobby Jones plus got the set of Bobby's visual instructions, Harvey said to shift weight forward and bring trail elbow to the side at the same time but do it in super slo motion if you thought it was slow he said do it slower, i did that each night and that made me swing correctly, scores dropped drastically until i broke 80 then improvement was slower. At that point i could break par if i putted well. That drill and the feet together hitting full shots are really great. Feet together makes you swing in balance and with power but it takes time all of it does.
Thanks for bringing Mike back on the channel.
He is just so good in explaining the correct concepts. Could listen to him for hours.
Agree
And you can for free, hours of stuff on his YT channel
@@ElGolfeux I am subscribedto his online coaching website and watched for sure 95% of his videos on YT :D. I am a Malaska fanatic. Just so simple and easy
Mike explains the swing so well and makes it very clear and easy to understand. That's why everyone loves watching his videos.
Mike is the best teacher on TH-cam! I am a 10 handicap . And have been trying to figure out how to shallow the club for years and I hurt my knee trying to turn and leave the club behind. Since I been watching Mike now for a couple weeks my ball striking has drastically improved. I wish I would have found him years ago. Thanks for everything! I have a feeling my handicap will be cut in half soon
This is THE best video on TH-cam for understanding and fixing the over the top move. I've watched many vids on this subject and I find this one beats them all. Went to the driving range with these ideas and it worked a charm, cant wait to try the new and improved swing on the course this weekend. Thanks Mr Malaska & Be Better Golf.
Mike’s the best. No one makes as much sense.
This is the most helpful video I’ve ever watched
Why do I feel as though I'm on my 2nd lesson--ever? Mike just makes it common-sense easy. B, thanks for presenting these.
Mike has changed my golf hands down over every instructor , results are the only true example
He explains everything so well I can work out what to work on to keep improving.
After watching this yesterday is started doing today at the course. Phenomenal! Thanks Mike.
Mike Strikes Again!!! Motor Patterns is all I do all day in my office! Actually this is the final piece of the puzzle. This is the most important drill and concept for the pro swing.
Tried this today at the range and it is working. Thank you so much.
I have recently taken on this swing concept . The truth is it is so different in my mind I feel the the ball would not go straight or long. But I am so amazed and how I am hitting the ball more consistent and longer, my compression seem so natural and easy. I have been doing exactly what Mike is describing in these videos, but one thing I found that even helped was that I had to feel the club head moving as my hands stayed in a stationary position, I feel the club head has to move way before your hands to get the clubhead in position to hit the ball.
"I feel the club head has to move way before your hands" you may think you are doing that but i doubt you are, the hands move first and the club head "lags" behind till just before impact where the lag is released for most club head speed.
Mike's content about WHAT the technique should be and WHY are superb. BUT the key to HOW TO LEARN is the best. How to learn a change in motor skill is something that is not addressed often enough. Exaggeration of the change is a great point! By the way, this change is exactly what I am working on! I have been over the top for years. One tool I am using is an obstacle to go around on my backswing. When the club is horizontal, the club has to be outside the obstacle (aim stick sticking up) and then inside the obstacle on downswing. I am probably 1,000 repetitions in, but can still do it wrong. I need to exaggerate more!
Geez - that was so useful! I’ve got the wrong loop going with my driver and 3-wood off the turf. I can’t stop bringing my hands inside with those long clubs. I’m going outside right now to start the loop in the other direction. Thanks for explaining what’s going on in such detail.
Great video, what would Mike advise to practice at home for bunker shots without a ball?
Love malaska a great.teacher and brendan is the best golf guru in the business. You.domgreat work hope all is well thx for making us better golfers. You da man.
Wow. This is me. Great video.
Does this movement apply to the short pitch shot or chip shot say from 20 yards in?
Brendan, this is gold. I love malaska’s stuff. The clockwise circle hand path (righties) is it. Chuck quinton (rotary swing) takes it one step further. It starts with a clockwise circle on the trail foot then you add the arms in the same circle and you’ve got it. It also completely takes away the hit from the top because you don’t change the circle path on the downswing. All good players circle in one direction. Even the under the plane backswing folks, end up looping it back under. He calls it the AXIOM training. Alan.
I look forward to these videos every week. Keep up the good work
Finally someone who uses momentum and basic biomechanics. Awesome. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
its not finally, any coach will teach this. Its on all the infomercials as the magic slice cure.
@@krusher74 Have not seen those infomercials. I wish the specific part around the momentum was highlighted more. F.e. Danny Maude, who is considered pretty respectable in the field of instructions, have not highlighted this to this extend. Hey ... but I can't watch them all of course. 😂
@@krusher74 Hank Haney teaches this move
I needed this thanks
Bobby jones let his hips take the club around then he rerouted the club slighty outside of his takeaway but it was inside the ball target line. Its a very powerful move, the hips moved his arms around the arms didn't move at all until he lifted them, he was across the line at the top because of how deep his hips moved. The downswing is a thing of poetry, he re- centered beautifully almost looked like a slight fall. In a major he won he played a par five 605 yards slight uphill, nobody had putted for eagle to that point, he hit driver-spoon to five feet and canned the eagle. Thirteen majors and retired at age of twenty eight. Going months without touching a club in between majors.
Bobby btw was a lifelong amateur and arguably one of the best golfer in history. Amateur does not mean a bad player.
Should the trail shoulder feel more internally rotated on the backswing then external on the downswing like in tennis and baseball? It feels like a powerful position to be internal on the backswing instead of trying to be more external with the elbow tucked in tight. Any thoughts?
Completely different armswing in backswing for baseball and tennis think it’s called flying right elbow Freddie Couples does it but apparently it’s not good lol surprised they haven’t mentioned this
Great video Brendon and Mike. The end talks about the need to retrain motor skills, but baseball and tennis swings show these skills are already there. So to me the difference in the loop direction should be more to do with intention or perceived task rather than a lack of skill? If so is there some sort of reframing thought or change in task that might have you swing the club like a bat or a racquet automatically without thinking about it?
Mike is such a brilliant coach. Thanks for this excellent video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome lesson!
Does this translate to driver too?
Brandon I looked at so many older great golfers they all took the club inside not like Floyd and Lopez but Palmer, Watson, Player , Snead, Jones, Nelson and so many more Trevino didn’t and had back problems now I think you get way better turns and coming down I think Mike Malaska has it right they all had the club upright before impact and after so I like the Joe Nichols style except for the takeaway I would rather take it inside and it’s a draw machine and beautiful baby draws and easy too control the golf industry changed the game I like the older swings for me .
Need to apply this to your game as well. 👍
As you make more room and stay back how to you make up that distance and not hit it off the toe? Is it made up with hip bend and the chest getting closer to the ball
How does this relate to tipping the shaft?
It doesn’t.
@@ablgolfmom6211 sure it does.
Great as usual ! Many thanks.
Is Mike going away from the Malaska move going a few years back on your channel?
No not really. He just knows a bit more on groundlelevel forces. Hence adjusting here and there. And there doesn’t exist something like a malaska move. It’s just a proper swing that any tour level uses.
You may want to look at some recent videos by Wayne Defrancesco about over the top from the inside. Lots of modern golfers loop from in to out, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Abraham Anser, Daniel Berger, Hovland, Cameron Champ, Tony Finau, many others.
Just curious as to when Mike thinks it's OK to start practicing off the turf.
IMO it’s about the arc of the clubhead in the back swing the wider the arc the more centrifugal force generated. That force equates simply to more clubhead speed generated the more distance. The problem is the bigger the arc the more upright swing required so on the way down the clubhead has to be shallowed. For decades this has been called dropping in to the “slot” the desire of many if not all great ball strikers.
Mike , Are you cocking your wrists early to keep the club in front of you in the takeaway?
This was a great tip!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice job fellas 👏
Someone please send this to cristo Garcia to explain OTT.
The ultimate salesman.
Triple M , Malaska Meichtry ,Milo. Lucky you.
Great info thanks
Looping from inside isn’t just enough. Hands have to start faster from the top than shoulders. Hands have to work independently. Basic sequence in the beginning is that hands go down and the weight of the club turns the body around. And why I know this, I was a slicer but not any more because I learned the right sequence. I’m now a low singel handicap player, been for years. 90 % golfers have a slice tendency and 98% of pros can’t give a proper cure for that. That’s why hardly anyone learns unfortunately. This is a number one issue among golfers and golfindustry hasn’t find an answer to that. I took lessons from dozen pros and didn’t get any help. Finally figured that out my self with a little bit help.
Interesting, where there any TH-cam videos that pointed you in this direction that you can share?
@@Koboltgolf There are not many. Tony Luczak comes to my mind as one. Mike Malaska has some idea with his Malaska move as well and he talks about hands moving seperately, the final piece is still missing at least in his videos I have seen. Many pros have the hands down move as well but that is not enough for chronic slicer. Those hand have to be learned to speed up all the way down. There are so many teachers that talks about hands and body going with the same speed specially in the hitting zone but that is just a feel and is a definite no no to a slicer. The problem behind it is that that pro sequence (hands go seperately) is learned in a very young age and it becomes automatic. Pros don’t even realize that they speed up their hands even if they have the feeling of passive hands in the top of the back swing .I have to think those today but it was the opposite when I was a slicer.
@@kukamaolen3669 have u watched Marcus Edblad golf? He’s always talking about the greatest source of speed in the swing comes from fast hands
Check out the JuJu swing. Bit more exaggerated but many have had success with it.
It is terrible
This is so good info
Hello. You should go see Jon Levitt at Arcadia golf course. He will help you a ton. Great content. Keep up the hustle.
Thanks for the lead!
David leadbetter has given lessons to Garrett on GM golf. David is teaching them to take the clubhead on the outward path straight back.
So there is no such thing as the Miracle OTT swing? In reality it is over and back to the plane swing that a certain person on You Tube is now teaching . Very interesting. Very intersecting indeed Cheers🥂😊👍
David Ledbetter has this exact swing theory/lesson in his book "The A Swing" 8 years ago! Check it out. I incorporated it and my swing has changed so much for the better.
Leadbetter copied Joe Nichols Who was Mike’s mentor.
Because golfers are told to hit down on the ball. The easiest but wrong way to do this is by swinging over the top.
Yup, this is my issue.
Is this kind of "A Swing"?
That is the position, this is more the force / torque on the club. Doesn’t have to be extreme but the torque on the club is necessary to balance the forces
Brilliant
matty fitzpatrick and viktor hovland are doing the bobby jones in 2023
So different than what you first teached mm
Great video- like Mike’s info and admire Brandon’s curiosity - so many lessons and theories not enough time to really get better,just chasing the ideas and concepts. Guess that is “us” in a nutshell? Now back to Dr Kwan’s workshops.
Play off 9 but don’t play regularly. Mike is absolutely correct when he says you need to evaluate weather you need to change. I very slightly come over the top, tried fixing it for months with a world of pain and never played well whilst doing this. I don’t play enough to work it into my natural swing. Decided to just swing the club naturally and I’m back to playing well. I’m not going to be a pro so why try and be one!
Man you guys have balls standing out in front like that on the range, I’d end up toeing one and probably peg ya 🤣
You would…. what??
I have OTT issues, and I have watched the video many times trying to get it right. All I end up doing is Shanking the ball miserably😫. Any ideas?
Yes!!! I did the same thing.
After you swing from the inside don’t keep swinging to first base
Hit the ball from the inside and then exit left more toward 3 rd base.
I will try this tomorrow! I am so frustrated right now! Thx for the help!
@@BEBETTERGOLF the swing is a circle, why swing left, it takes you off the circle.
Maintain and Swing the triangle of the connections of the shoulders; arms; and hands back and forth. While you might continue to feel like you are OTT; your shots will be pure and accurate.
Matt Wolfe swing
Matt Fitzpatrick, Vik Hovland bro. Craig Parry old school
Brendon, I've followed your progress from near the start.. I've never seen your swing pattern go out and inside, despite all your hours of effort trying to change it. In my humble opinion you're wasting precious time trying to change what is in your 'golfing DNA'. Why do you resist embracing it?
With respect to Mike, imagine a coach saying to a junior Byron Nelson that he had to reverse his swing pattern - we'd probably never have heard of Nelson again; he'd still be on the range trying to 'fix what wasn't broken'.
My belief is that this issue is a major flaw in current golf coaching, and that perhaps as much as 50% of players are naturally 'in to out' instinctive players. History has proven that so many of the greats played that way that surely it cannot be denied..(?)
Most coaches are saying inside and over is not a usable Pattern
All I know for right handed players at the transitional part of the swing the club loops clockwise inward. Every single time. With the progressive nonstop rotation of the body from one side to the other there is absolutely no need to consciously loop the club at all; just hold on to the handle of the club as your body rotates to the very finish of your swing. Cheers 👍😃⛳️🥂
Please make a vid of last 5 minutes….at home drills!🙏
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The problem is all coaches and golf instructors always want the people who they are giving instructions. That they need to swing like pro. They never will.
I didn’t take away lessons from anyone. And I knew I couldn’t swing like a pro.
But I started out as a 130 handicap and now after 15 years of playing golf I am a 1 handicap .with hard work trying different things in my swing. And putting the ball in different positions and seeing what it does once I hit it. I tired different swings etc until my body felt like like it was working as all as one. And it wasn’t trying nothing you guys teach. Now I am not saying you are not great golfer or teachers of golf at all. But just be honest with them all the your swing doesn’t have to be on plane like a pro , and you don’t have to swing just like a pro. Because most of them can’t and never will. My swing a several parts . Baseball and tennis and ping-pong
Slapping a but with right hand and only guiding with left hand throwing ground balls and watching what my body does by it self. And bowling and I wasn’t good at any of them. Just feel like my body does it on its own. Now you guys are great teachers of golf. I am sure if that. Not saying your not. Just my comment and my opinion. Now everything can hate on it if they want to. That’s their rights to do so.
130 handicap? Jesus… so your shooting over 200 a round.
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Kevin I guess you can read. I can help if Siri doesn’t listen . But all you you read was 130 handi cap
But you didn’t read the rest . And jump to conclusions. I will give you my address and fly you down here and play golf with me . The bet is 10,000 dollars for 18 holes low score. We will see if I am 130 handi cap. Dumb ass
So that's 30 mins of my life I will never get back. It would have taken 30 seconds to say "reverse the loop" end of story.
Jim Furyk
Basically this is guff, there are loads of really significant golfers who have swung with a hand path that went OTT, but they still shallowed the club in transition, which is the big difference between amateurs and professionals. Milo did an excellent video a long time ago about how important the transition is and how it equalises out most of the differences in the backswing, check that one out.
What’s guff?
@@djp3525 I think it’s malarkey but don’t quote me on it. Also I don’t think it’s Guff or malarkey. Mike knows what he’s talking about.
No, not guff, malarkey or twaddle. However, I agree that many, probably most, top players have swung hands ott while rotating the lead arm/forearm clockwise at some time, some on the bs, some in transition, some on the ds, some a combination. Matt Wolff is an extreme example of lead arm rotation in transition, Bobby Locke of lead arm rotation on the ds. Mike should have mentioned this as it is critical. Unfortunately many amateurs are not capable of this movement because of inflexibility in the trail wrist, elbow and shoulders.
no one promotes an inside takeaway
@@natsoti6268 True, no-one promotes it nowadays, since Snead (allegedly) introduced the one piece takeaway, teachers are not allowed to teach it. It would help a lot of elderly or inflexible golfers who instead are told to copy today's athletic, gym-trained power players. Inside worked for Vardon, Jones, Locke, Cotton, Olazabal etc. not to mention Finau, Hovland, Ancer.
Why fix the loop. Look at V Hovland, S Scheffler, S Bennett and A Acer. Pretty good players that have a forward loop.
Actually, most PGA pros have hands that are over the top. Hands only. Not club.
Yep
This is common sense really. Teachers have been telling us this for 50 years now. The problem with this is he has no ‘inside ‘ he keeps on going out and stalls the body . Terrible drill ..
You don't have to convince me to not swing over the top...
I get psychotic when Malaska is on your channel. It’s the shaft not the hands! The shaft shallows! You always show and talk about the HANDS looping. It’s the club shaft that shallows immediately at the beginning of the downswing. There is no need to loop the hands! Please watch almost every PGA player.
What holds the shaft? Hands or your belly, the shaft shallows relative to what the hands do
@@supercooloz13 hold your shaft 1/2 way up with it vertical. Now rotate your your hands clockwise to shallow the shaft. Your hands are involved like you said but there is no need to have a “ loop” in your swing involving your arms and hands like Malaska demonstrates. Also the “Malaska move”is one of the all time worst piece of advice ever. Someone needs to tell Mike you can see almost every tour players swing on TH-cam.
Sorry to break it to you mate it’s clearly going over your head but he’s doing what majority of professionals do. All he’s saying is hands in, club head out lol.
@@conorking9981 looks to me like he is demonstrating a loop with his hands and I see him demonstrating it all his videos. I’m talking about his demo of a slow motion practice swing. Sorry if you can’t see it.
@@STEVE-lk2ft you’ve once again confirmed you don’t understand. Are you watching it with your eyes closed ?
As you said, Hogan, Jones, Snead all swung over the top but had early enough weight transfer (like a baseball pitcher) to create enough left side turn and clearance to allow room for a neutral swing path. The methodology of trying to get amateur golfers to drop inside or flatten consciously has failed for 40 years. Golfers achieve better results learning to swing like Pre 50s greats where they focus on one piece takeaway tracking inside and transferring weight to the left (for right handlers) earlier to naturally set the club into a good hitting position. You guys need to stop promoting dropping the club inside, it’s what ruins so many good players swing. Focus more on what a baseball batter does with his weight transfer when hitting a ball and less on his arms. The arms will always serve body shift, it’s physics……let go of the 1980s mind set.
That's a lot of bs going on in either senarìo
So tired of seeing baseball and tennis related to golf. Of course in tennis and baseball there is a loop,bc your already standing and your tool is off the ground! In golf your going from the ground back to the ground. In the other sports your not hitting off the ground and your not bent over and the tool is not starting from the ground. So tired of seeing golf related to tennis and baseball and the shallowing “loop” of the 3
And the ball is normally falling as it approaches you. I was a darn good batter as a teenager and I played competitive tennis for years. Never have I tried to swing a golf club like a bat or racquet and I hit the golf ball pretty solid most of the time. Plus those terrible tennis racquet swings all these people make would be disastrous tennis shots. Two different sports.
The mechanics of baseball and golf are almost identical just on different planes. You don’t understand it but that is fine.
It’s because the mechanics are the same
The “loop” isn’t the main reason tennis and baseball are compared to golf, although Mike does go a little down that path here. It’s the elbow and wrist leading the racquet or bat that should be the main focus, because it’s the natural way to generate speed and integrity at the point of impact.
Just say you don’t understand it. A lot less typing.