If you dont have any information about your rivals, is playing gto the best initial strategy until you start to get some information about them? Or is there any other better strategy?
If you don't have specific info about your opponent, data about population will give you a higher EV on average than GTO. Because it's just more likely that an unknown players plays like the average of the player pool
Question seems to be if you know nothing about the pool. In that case gto should be the best way. However, I assume you're a human. I just don't see how 3betting T9s and the likes 100% of the time oop works the best for us.
would playing a GTO preflop strat always be +EV regardless of an opponent's opening range? so we might find ourselves flatting a very strong 3B range from Tuco S., but this would be compensated by how often he would fold his BB to our opens. appreciate your channel and this video!
Your reaction to the 3bet would be -EV but because your first action is more +EV than before because you get to see more flops than usual IP your overall GTO PF game would still be +EV. Generally playing GTO is never exploitable and always +EV but using exploits always massively increases your EV against people having these big leaks
That depends if you can play that post flop like GTO which you cant. Just because Tuco S 3 bets a much thighter range does not mean he will not defend the BB enough in fact he probably calls too wide so thats not where the EV comes from. It comes post flop which is influenced by preflop ofcource but calculating the EV of a pre flop strategys asumes you would play it perfectly post flop.
@paulsong4345 yes exactly, GTO ranges will still be +EV against worse strategies, because your opponent either folds too much and you win the pot right away or they miss out on 3betting enough and therefore don't take down the pot as often as they could. Then your profit would come from realizing equity with hands you shouldn't even have been allowed to see the flop with. However, if you know your opponent's deviation from GTO, adapting your own strategy to maximally exploit them will increase your winrate even more
@@karthage3637 GTO preflop ranges are very good. GTO helps you avoid a lot of difficult situations and gives you a certain confidence that statistically your hand is good to play in the given position / situation
i think there is also another problem, gto puts a shit load of different hands, its literally impossible for a human to 3bet X% of this, and x% of that, you would literally need a randomizer and see every single time to balance, impossible for anyone playing more than 2 tables, i do have a high % 3bet from the BB, the thing is, i dont balance as much, i just 3bet full frequency with some hands.
I really hate when these nits get value because they clearly dont deserve it, especially because most of the times you have to fold postflop hands you wouldnt normally,
Its right, and its wrong. Now before you call me crazy... the thing about this is. You cant really know what people are doing. Its right: if people play tucos range preflop, 64dd will lose money. Whats wrong is that this viewpoint is 1 dimensional, while GTO is multidimensional. The thing is, playing the 64dd will lose money vrs tucos range, but tuco will give all that money back by folding away all his fold equity when he doesnt 3bet his bluffs. If you fold the 64dd against someone not playing tucos range, you will also be lighting money on fire, by releasing your equity too early in the hand.
If I understand correctly you're saying we shouldn't be playing the exploitative preflop range that would be best against a guy like Tuco against someone who doesn't play Tuco's preflop range? If so, then yes, that's exactly what this video is about. The premise is that we have information about our opponent (stats and/or observations) and can adjust our play according to that.
This is not completely true, calling a wider range then you should against someone who 3bets low freq. is not always a mistake, cause a guy who 3bet less then he should, will play post flop very bad also
Yes postflop skill definitely plays a role too. That's why none of these ranges are set on stone. But they give you very good tendencies in which direction to adjust
Your opponent's play style has ZERO to do with it... GTO is an "unexploitable" strategy. The further away from GTO your Villain plays the bigger your edge. GTO is a "baseline" not a do all end all. If you know which direction your opponent deviates from GTO, you will exploit his mistake by adjusting your own range away from GTO to take advantage. I honestly do not understand his thesis in this video... he seems to say that GTO is not correct because your opponent makes mistakes... this make no sense to me. You want your opponent to make mistakes. It is literally the fundamental theory of poker.
If you are playing gto against a player that isn't aka a player making mistakes ..like over folding or under bluffing in spots then you are making very big mistakes. GTO is an add on to a fundamentally exploitative approach for optimal results IMO
I mean isnt it downright silly that gto 3bets T9s (and a bunch of other hands that defend nicely) 100% of the time. Why wouldn't it want some of that playability in its calling range. Feels very exploitable by the ip payer that its range is so strongly defined as garbage when it just calls.
The problem with calling is that you essentially prove that you never have AA/KK. Also the kind of board textures suited connectors interact with well often end up crushing your opponent's calling ranges, which will usually consist of single pairs or bungled sets. Because they don't expect us to 3bet SC's they often get owned when they think that they are the ones trapping us because we are representing AA.
Bro is literally talking uter shit 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 3 handed High stakes videos from elite regs isn't proving anything as high stakes regs play exploitative so there ranges are different and they have to ensure action to get a seat in games , GTO is the easiest strategy to apply however it's also the easiest to exploit if you know someone is playing a GTO bot style
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If you dont have any information about your rivals, is playing gto the best initial strategy until you start to get some information about them? Or is there any other better strategy?
If you don't have specific info about your opponent, data about population will give you a higher EV on average than GTO. Because it's just more likely that an unknown players plays like the average of the player pool
Thank you for your response!! Great channel and great content.
Question seems to be if you know nothing about the pool. In that case gto should be the best way. However, I assume you're a human. I just don't see how 3betting T9s and the likes 100% of the time oop works the best for us.
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would playing a GTO preflop strat always be +EV regardless of an opponent's opening range? so we might find ourselves flatting a very strong 3B range from Tuco S., but this would be compensated by how often he would fold his BB to our opens. appreciate your channel and this video!
Your reaction to the 3bet would be -EV but because your first action is more +EV than before because you get to see more flops than usual IP your overall GTO PF game would still be +EV. Generally playing GTO is never exploitable and always +EV but using exploits always massively increases your EV against people having these big leaks
That depends if you can play that post flop like GTO which you cant. Just because Tuco S 3 bets a much thighter range does not mean he will not defend the BB enough in fact he probably calls too wide so thats not where the EV comes from. It comes post flop which is influenced by preflop ofcource but calculating the EV of a pre flop strategys asumes you would play it perfectly post flop.
@paulsong4345 yes exactly, GTO ranges will still be +EV against worse strategies, because your opponent either folds too much and you win the pot right away or they miss out on 3betting enough and therefore don't take down the pot as often as they could. Then your profit would come from realizing equity with hands you shouldn't even have been allowed to see the flop with.
However, if you know your opponent's deviation from GTO, adapting your own strategy to maximally exploit them will increase your winrate even more
Playing a GTO preflop range probably means nothing because it assume both player will play perfectly GTO from flop to river
@@karthage3637 GTO preflop ranges are very good. GTO helps you avoid a lot of difficult situations and gives you a certain confidence that statistically your hand is good to play in the given position / situation
Great video! I love this content
I just died at 5:56, good job
Mans posted this video just to bully Tuco
solid content
Gto is unexploitable against perfect gto. Durrr against players deviating from gto following gto ranges won't be as +ev as other strategies
Good stuff
i think there is also another problem, gto puts a shit load of different hands, its literally impossible for a human to 3bet X% of this, and x% of that, you would literally need a randomizer and see every single time to balance, impossible for anyone playing more than 2 tables, i do have a high % 3bet from the BB, the thing is, i dont balance as much, i just 3bet full frequency with some hands.
Yeah, you can definitely round a lot of frequencies and simplify the ranges
I'm probably too much like Tuco, its hard to adjust
You know what to do!
Tuco tilt easy 😂 love the content thanks bro
Thats why you have to know gto...
To be able to deviate against each player.
Not gonna bluff an 18/15 wwsf 42 pre with AJo
what a river call with the 6 😮
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I really hate when these nits get value because they clearly dont deserve it, especially because most of the times you have to fold postflop hands you wouldnt normally,
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No more videos! Let the regs do their own studying! Btw great video
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Its right, and its wrong. Now before you call me crazy... the thing about this is. You cant really know what people are doing.
Its right: if people play tucos range preflop, 64dd will lose money.
Whats wrong is that this viewpoint is 1 dimensional, while GTO is multidimensional. The thing is, playing the 64dd will lose money vrs tucos range, but tuco will give all that money back by folding away all his fold equity when he doesnt 3bet his bluffs.
If you fold the 64dd against someone not playing tucos range, you will also be lighting money on fire, by releasing your equity too early in the hand.
If I understand correctly you're saying we shouldn't be playing the exploitative preflop range that would be best against a guy like Tuco against someone who doesn't play Tuco's preflop range?
If so, then yes, that's exactly what this video is about. The premise is that we have information about our opponent (stats and/or observations) and can adjust our play according to that.
This is not completely true, calling a wider range then you should against someone who 3bets low freq. is not always a mistake, cause a guy who 3bet less then he should, will play post flop very bad also
Yes postflop skill definitely plays a role too. That's why none of these ranges are set on stone. But they give you very good tendencies in which direction to adjust
More like the problem with GTO
The difference between optimal and exploitative play is 101
Префлоп лучше использовать флопзиллу, а не ГТО. Да и вообще флопзилла намного лучше
The problem with GTO is that it does not take into account of your opponent's playstyle.
Your opponent's play style has ZERO to do with it... GTO is an "unexploitable" strategy. The further away from GTO your Villain plays the bigger your edge. GTO is a "baseline" not a do all end all. If you know which direction your opponent deviates from GTO, you will exploit his mistake by adjusting your own range away from GTO to take advantage. I honestly do not understand his thesis in this video... he seems to say that GTO is not correct because your opponent makes mistakes... this make no sense to me. You want your opponent to make mistakes. It is literally the fundamental theory of poker.
If you are playing gto against a player that isn't aka a player making mistakes ..like over folding or under bluffing in spots then you are making very big mistakes. GTO is an add on to a fundamentally exploitative approach for optimal results IMO
Seems someone just wants to spell disaster on nits 😂
im not very smart
I mean isnt it downright silly that gto 3bets T9s (and a bunch of other hands that defend nicely) 100% of the time. Why wouldn't it want some of that playability in its calling range. Feels very exploitable by the ip payer that its range is so strongly defined as garbage when it just calls.
The problem with calling is that you essentially prove that you never have AA/KK. Also the kind of board textures suited connectors interact with well often end up crushing your opponent's calling ranges, which will usually consist of single pairs or bungled sets. Because they don't expect us to 3bet SC's they often get owned when they think that they are the ones trapping us because we are representing AA.
Bro is literally talking uter shit 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 3 handed High stakes videos from elite regs isn't proving anything as high stakes regs play exploitative so there ranges are different and they have to ensure action to get a seat in games , GTO is the easiest strategy to apply however it's also the easiest to exploit if you know someone is playing a GTO bot style