Tomer, Tomer, Tomer. Crim has found a plethora of ways to troll you all. From Gonti taking your Kaldra piece to having the table kill you on turn 4. Crim is the epitome of a troll king. He feeds on the salt; nay he lives off of the salt. Take away his blue spells and he will find a way. Just as his land drops betray him, Crim will betray your expectations. For that is the AsianAvenger's way.
I love how Tomer was so confident about Crim's "only nonbasics" land destruction and how it "wasn't going to affect him", totally forgetting his creatures become nonbasic Forest lands when Ashaya is on the board...
Everyone: "Crim is probably playing something to make himself archenemy again this week" Crim: "What, me? No way!" Also Crim: Plays Stax, MLD, Combo, or Control every week Everyone: Gets mad Crim: Surprised Pikachu Face
Seth: it turns random, not very exciting kicker cards into win conditions Also Seth: lists three of the most exciting kicker cards in green and blue as examples.
If someone at my table makes the excuse of “it’s budget!” while being the most ahead in the board state, I’m going to feel some spite towards them haha
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 im going to guess that this is more about people pretending theyre not the threat than it is about hating budget decks for no discernible reason
@11:50 Tomer, I have a similar Jeskai deck. One side is Gavi, the slightly modified ycling deck (low power for fun) and the other is a Kykar Combo deck. I use a Twin deck case - a bit loose fitting, but it lets you separate the sections decently and lots of rooms for tokens
Tomer, just use 2 deck boxes. 1 that has the green part of the deck, and the other with both the Verazol and Hallar parts, separated with a Divider. A friend does something similar with his Mayael deck, where he has 80 cards in 1 deck box and 40 in another. The 40 are all big creatures, some better than others, which he shuffles before every game and then takes the top 20 and adds them to the base 80. The 40 creatures are divided between 10 for each mono color, and 10 multi colored.
not bears but just throwing it out there, lifeforce deathrgip douse and tidal control. price of glory. and my favorite wierd simic card combination, mana maze and hall of gemstone.
Tomer, when you have that stop set on your main phase (yield until here) that stop stays while you are going through your main phase. And I think if you have a stop set like that it will always ask you for priority regardless of your auto-yields. That's why when going off with Arbor Elf around the 30 min mark you have to keep hitting OK.
I just got done putting together that Verazol/Hallar 2in1. Looks really interesting. Just need to go buy some sleeves for it. I think my carrying case can handle it.
I know its not much help for you tomer, but I got these deck boxes from my lgs that holds 100 sleeved cards and has a side compartment for tokens and dice. Can't remember the name of the brand but it would totally fit for your kicker deck
Out of all the commanders Crim has to play Yasharn huh? Lol. I’m going to say this as delicate as I can to not offend anyone or make it seem as if I don’t think about anyone else. I respect whatever decks/archetypes people have fun with, and I am no one to say what people should or shouldn’t play. With that said, I get 99% less interested in watching the video/game where someone is playing stax/denial decks. I’m not intentionally pointing at Crim here specifically, it is just usually him playing them. Okay what you want guys and have fun! It’s just my feedback though that my interest in the match gets diminished to almost nothing, even if said deck isn’t “going off” necessarily. Still love the channel!
I've been slowly working on an Azorius cleric deck that plays like both and Esper artifact deck and a Bant enchantment deck, which prevents everyone else from dealing damage while gaining massive amounts of life as an engine to make flying tokens. It does not have Aetherflux in it, and it isn't a Stax, D&T, or Hate Bear deck. It is extreme jank by today's standards of white, but it's pretty legit by old school standards. Oh and it's only light splashing blue, for cards that assist the white cards or make up for the odd lack of good cleric token generators. I'm just waiting till after Commander Legends and maybe the viking set, to put it together.
I get game two ran long but how do you forget the few most impactful Tax effects like your creatures enter tapped? Like just hover over his board quickly and you can spot the cards to bounce Seth.
Omnathbowl, it's just four omnath decks, one for each omnath. they have to do it before we get a five-color omnath or they'll need to do a five-player commander clash for a proper omnathbowl.
even a dedicated stax deck should be fine as long as you don't complain about being archenemy. and if you, like me, love stax you probably understand that your deck is inherently a somewhat randomized clock and when it strikes midnight no one can interact with you anymore and you will win by attrition if nothing else. and hopefully everyone like me is okay with being archenemy, because that's how you keep the decks in check. and play more interaction.
Leaving this at the point crim plays dust bowl. Hope crim realizes he can use it to just kill tomer’s stuff, cause at this point he believes he can only destroy Seth lands. Edit: oh thank god Richard caught it. This would have been rough if not
His whole against white tax is dumb."nobody want to play against that" nobody wants to play against counter spells or sacrifice creatures or land destruction or exiling cards. Its the point of each color to have something that the others don't
The difference is that while every color can do something "annoying" they don't rely on those cards to be competitive. Your Green / Black / Blue / Red doesn't need to lock people out of playing the game to be a good deck. Trying to "fix" White by just giving them more powerful stax cards would lead to an awful environment for most casual players.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander that is partially because for some reason eceryone expects that if they fill their deck with broken 9 mana spells noone will stop him from casting them Magic without interaction would not be fun, and thats why i dont understand that noone wants to play against interaction
not sure but i think seth could have bounced verazol to his hand, recast it for a huge amount with nyxbloom and swinged at crim using his flying land if it was done a but earlier. he could also have bounce myriad construct and gained a 18 1/1 to chomp block but not sure😅
I really think Richard should have asked for Teeg and Mindcensor be bounced. With mindcensor gone, Richard could tutor with Worldly Tutor for the best creature in the situation. Or maybe Mindcensor and Thalia, so that way Seth's wolves could be untapped. Crim probably still wins, but there was a chance. I'm impressed with how well MTGO held up.
My logic: If you can avoid most creature boardwipes via your commander, I can run Thran's Fall. Which is both an answer to creatures being lands and is fair as it lets you get 4 lands back, so you can at least keep playing the game.
If you hate combo, play stax/control. If you hate stax/control, play aggro. If you hate aggro, play combo. Basically, stop complaining about deck strategies, because if one doesn't exist, you give free wins to someone else.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander I think their reasoning is because Forests are Colorless - after you get Ashaya on field, everything is a Forest... But I think a creature that's a Forest is still it's colours, right?
@@MTGGoldfishCommander because of what @anchupom aka freddie said. The way they looked on the battlefield made me think they were colorless but gatherer doesnt say anything about it.
Despite being Forests, and the way the interface makes them look, the creatures are still whatever color they were before they became Forests. Therefore Regal Force works the same it always has.
30:00 if he pumped all his creatures infinitely, he would have 1 trample dude for Crim, 2 dudes for richard, and 2 dudes for seth, and would have won (arbor elf could have attacked as well)
I love the goldfish crew but it feels like toner is using "haha budget deck" as an excuse to bring a much higher power level each week recently. Budget level does not equate to power level
I'd love to see what cool shenanigans Richard and Seth's decks could get up to if there wasn't a deck specifically designed to prevent decks getting to show what they can do in this exhibition game.
Just saying three green players did not have a way to destroy sword of feast of famine.......... SERIOUSLY!!! NO WAY TO DEAL WITH AN ARTIFACT IN GREEN COMMANDER BEFORE IT VALUED HIM OUT OF THE GAME
I wholeheartedly believe that Crim/his decks make C-clash less enjoyable to watch. All of his decks have been uncreative "just jam all the anti-fun cards" style decks which SUCKS to watch because everyone else at the table brings decks that look interesting and make me want to see them played out. But we can't see them played out because Crim is always trying to just prevent other decks from functioning. It is not enjoyable to watch, Especially in a week where the focus is showcasing new commanders.
I agree with the sentiment that "anti-fun" decks generally do not make great content to watch in terms of gameplay. Previous seasons featuring Vince, Jennifer, and Tom also featured decks with high efficiency and less of a janky-theme that we associate with Richard, Seth, and Tomer. The main appeal for me is how Crim embraces the villain role and will play out the role without malice. Of course Crim knows that the cards he plays will induce salt; he knows the table dislikes Top and Counterbalance but will always bring it out on occasion. But there are also times when Crim gets hated out of the game without any ill-will like when Seth played Planar Void on Turn 1 when he played a graveyard deck. Crim's decks can skew a game in one direction, but that is something that happens in most tables. I think the takeaway should be the other players' reactions and even if Richard, Tomer, and Seth groan I'm certain they are enjoying themselves regardless. As long as the table is laughing, I think the content will be fun to watch. That's how I feel at least.
Classic Commander Clash... Tomer whines about someone else's deck and then combos off immediately to end the game, before anybody actually got to play the game.
I love Crims play philosophy: I don't really care if I win as long as I had fun playing the game. I run a Mogis deck that just does a little damage here and there to everyone each turn. I rarely win anymore since my play group figured out that a little off the top each turn adds up eventually but I usually have fun. Someone tell Richard how to minimize players that are out of the game. (And Crim too, I believe.)
First time I've ever seen Darksteel Garrison cast, and it immediately breaks the game. Love it.
I haven't seen it yet, and it finally clicked why it can break the game! 😱😈
Ashaya broke the game, lets be very clear here.
When the terms and conditions started scrolling I actually had to lie down I was laughing so hard.
Tomer, Tomer, Tomer. Crim has found a plethora of ways to troll you all. From Gonti taking your Kaldra piece to having the table kill you on turn 4. Crim is the epitome of a troll king. He feeds on the salt; nay he lives off of the salt. Take away his blue spells and he will find a way. Just as his land drops betray him, Crim will betray your expectations. For that is the AsianAvenger's way.
Is this Crim’s alt account lmao
I’ll never tell ;)
Crim is the hero we deserve.
I love how Tomer was so confident about Crim's "only nonbasics" land destruction and how it "wasn't going to affect him", totally forgetting his creatures become nonbasic Forest lands when Ashaya is on the board...
How was this not on purpose? Why is there a dust bowl unless you know your playing against Ashaya? It feels a little metagamie.
The editor had tax effects I definitely forgot about. Wow. A+++
Everyone: "Crim is probably playing something to make himself archenemy again this week"
Crim: "What, me? No way!"
Also Crim: Plays Stax, MLD, Combo, or Control every week
Everyone: Gets mad
Crim: Surprised Pikachu Face
"I have this strange ability to become arch enemy all the time."
Minutes before: "My goal is to annoy everyone with 2/2s."
I mean he is the designated heel of the series
to be fair, no one has has any right to get mad at any of those normal and viable strategies and cards.
The editor gets funnier day by day
Next week:
Om-nom-nath vs Bob-Bomb-nath vs Elem-nath vs Loam-nath.
Seth: it turns random, not very exciting kicker cards into win conditions
Also Seth: lists three of the most exciting kicker cards in green and blue as examples.
kicker cards are inherently unexciting. your cards lie to you about the mana cost, how can anyone like kicker?
i think it's funny that MTGGoldfish went out of their way to find every person who can't pronounce card names.
I see a Vince deck snuck it’s way in
I never thought I'd feel so much sympathy for Richard going right after the stax/tax player and Richard is the one playing Mass Land Destruction.
Ashaya is an elemental that embodies an entire plane. Crim has land destruction.
I call a flavor win
Every deck Tomer builds he handicaps himself, I'd like to see the week where he takes the weights off Rock Lee style
Id like too see tomer bring Manadrain+Top/counter balance. And crim play the $100 budget deck.
@@Totaluser1 role reversal week Seth can play the jank tribe and Richard can play "oops no wincons"
@@Totaluser1 And yet Crim still somehow manages to troll Tomer...
Is it really a handicap when he still builds decks more powerful than Richard and Seth's jank?
1:51:00 that taxes list tho, ty editor
Tomer asks how he's going to get trolled, my brain instantly: Crim has Kaldra
If someone at my table makes the excuse of “it’s budget!” while being the most ahead in the board state, I’m going to feel some spite towards them haha
why? thats ridiculous
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 glad you asked, fellow stranger on the internet
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 im going to guess that this is more about people pretending theyre not the threat than it is about hating budget decks for no discernible reason
@11:50
Tomer, I have a similar Jeskai deck. One side is Gavi, the slightly modified ycling deck (low power for fun) and the other is a Kykar Combo deck. I use a Twin deck case - a bit loose fitting, but it lets you separate the sections decently and lots of rooms for tokens
Tomer, just use 2 deck boxes. 1 that has the green part of the deck, and the other with both the Verazol and Hallar parts, separated with a Divider. A friend does something similar with his Mayael deck, where he has 80 cards in 1 deck box and 40 in another. The 40 are all big creatures, some better than others, which he shuffles before every game and then takes the top 20 and adds them to the base 80. The 40 creatures are divided between 10 for each mono color, and 10 multi colored.
Love at 24:00 you can see the gears turning in Tomers head lol
I like Crim's recent decks, very similar to what I like to play, Rogue Tribal last week and now Hatebears
That is a beautiful deck crim. As i gaddock teeg player i can appreciate a fellow hatebears connoisseur.
not bears but just throwing it out there, lifeforce deathrgip douse and tidal control.
price of glory.
and my favorite wierd simic card combination, mana maze and hall of gemstone.
Tomer, when you have that stop set on your main phase (yield until here) that stop stays while you are going through your main phase. And I think if you have a stop set like that it will always ask you for priority regardless of your auto-yields. That's why when going off with Arbor Elf around the 30 min mark you have to keep hitting OK.
I like that "Terms and Conditions" you added, Mr. Editor :D
This is my favorite Crim deck by far
I love stax! Please keep going with it, Crim. :D
i believe green is about growth so its perfectly reasonable and in fact in flavor that wizards prints all the good cards in green from here on out
I need Tomer's no and whee as audio clips. They make me laugh so hard. I dunno why, but they do.
My video froze at the end of the first game, and I legit thought you spent 10 minutes untapping that elf before I started to wonder.
Timer should build a third unofficial version of the kicker deck that is temur with both legendaries as partners
2:08:50 I say this very Crim line every week at game day, plus "they're easier to interact with!"
We hear Crim, but all we see is Vince
Nobody:
Not a single soul:
Tomer: ITS A BUDGET DECK
Is haze of pollen considered a plant based fog?
Would you look at that. All green decks. The best color in magic! I wish there were carnage tyrants in every deck to troll Crim.
I just got done putting together that Verazol/Hallar 2in1. Looks really interesting. Just need to go buy some sleeves for it. I think my carrying case can handle it.
I know its not much help for you tomer, but I got these deck boxes from my lgs that holds 100 sleeved cards and has a side compartment for tokens and dice. Can't remember the name of the brand but it would totally fit for your kicker deck
Big for a hate Bear... It's a hate Boar ;)
What website do they use?
Out of all the commanders Crim has to play Yasharn huh? Lol.
I’m going to say this as delicate as I can to not offend anyone or make it seem as if I don’t think about anyone else.
I respect whatever decks/archetypes people have fun with, and I am no one to say what people should or shouldn’t play.
With that said, I get 99% less interested in watching the video/game where someone is playing stax/denial decks. I’m not intentionally pointing at Crim here specifically, it is just usually him playing them.
Okay what you want guys and have fun! It’s just my feedback though that my interest in the match gets diminished to almost nothing, even if said deck isn’t “going off” necessarily.
Still love the channel!
Editor is the real mvp of this video
Ayyyyyy it’s the clash, it’s the commander clash.
They did the clash
It was a youtube smash
I've been slowly working on an Azorius cleric deck that plays like both and Esper artifact deck and a Bant enchantment deck, which prevents everyone else from dealing damage while gaining massive amounts of life as an engine to make flying tokens. It does not have Aetherflux in it, and it isn't a Stax, D&T, or Hate Bear deck. It is extreme jank by today's standards of white, but it's pretty legit by old school standards. Oh and it's only light splashing blue, for cards that assist the white cards or make up for the odd lack of good cleric token generators.
I'm just waiting till after Commander Legends and maybe the viking set, to put it together.
The terms and conditions bit hahaha
35:50 is second game
I get game two ran long but how do you forget the few most impactful Tax effects like your creatures enter tapped? Like just hover over his board quickly and you can spot the cards to bounce Seth.
Super sweet kicker deck
Thanks :)
Crim thank you for bring back the ways of Vince!
Crim couldn't play Balance-Top because he wasn't Blue, so he did the next best thing - STAX.
Tomer sleeping on Stone-Seeder Hierophant :/
Amazing tech with darksteel garrison though, I'm shocked that's only in 5 ashaya decks on edhrec.
crim's dust bowl could've wrecked tomer's ashaya, right?
edit: nvm they got him, lol
Good heads up though :D
Love the green decks
Wow, look at *this* joker not knowing Darksteel Garrison works like an equipment :P
Something like an Amonket kit box with the dice tray should work for a two in one deck
I want to see an all elemental showdown, they all pick a legendary elemental and battle to see which is the best elemental of all
Omnathbowl, it's just four omnath decks, one for each omnath. they have to do it before we get a five-color omnath or they'll need to do a five-player commander clash for a proper omnathbowl.
If you can't handle light stax pieces then you can't handle the color pie, a fundamental aspect of the game.
even a dedicated stax deck should be fine as long as you don't complain about being archenemy. and if you, like me, love stax you probably understand that your deck is inherently a somewhat randomized clock and when it strikes midnight no one can interact with you anymore and you will win by attrition if nothing else. and hopefully everyone like me is okay with being archenemy, because that's how you keep the decks in check. and play more interaction.
Leaving this at the point crim plays dust bowl. Hope crim realizes he can use it to just kill tomer’s stuff, cause at this point he believes he can only destroy Seth lands.
Edit: oh thank god Richard caught it. This would have been rough if not
His whole against white tax is dumb."nobody want to play against that" nobody wants to play against counter spells or sacrifice creatures or land destruction or exiling cards. Its the point of each color to have something that the others don't
The difference is that while every color can do something "annoying" they don't rely on those cards to be competitive. Your Green / Black / Blue / Red doesn't need to lock people out of playing the game to be a good deck. Trying to "fix" White by just giving them more powerful stax cards would lead to an awful environment for most casual players.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander that is partially because for some reason eceryone expects that if they fill their deck with broken 9 mana spells noone will stop him from casting them
Magic without interaction would not be fun, and thats why i dont understand that noone wants to play against interaction
Phylath, avenger of walmart
not sure but i think seth could have bounced verazol to his hand, recast it for a huge amount with nyxbloom and swinged at crim using his flying land if it was done a but earlier. he could also have bounce myriad construct and gained a 18 1/1 to chomp block but not sure😅
Huh, synergies do work. Quick kills and all
Crimm did vince talk to you before hand
I really think Richard should have asked for Teeg and Mindcensor be bounced. With mindcensor gone, Richard could tutor with Worldly Tutor for the best creature in the situation. Or maybe Mindcensor and Thalia, so that way Seth's wolves could be untapped. Crim probably still wins, but there was a chance. I'm impressed with how well MTGO held up.
Teeg shuts off the Inscription because it’s a noncreature spell at 4+ mana.
My logic: If you can avoid most creature boardwipes via your commander, I can run Thran's Fall. Which is both an answer to creatures being lands and is fair as it lets you get 4 lands back, so you can at least keep playing the game.
thrans fall is always a fair card
@1.50 Seth needs and answer and digs with Jace scry but bottoms the card that draws 6? Huh!?
Richard should shrink the non-players boards, this is painful. It was the same thing last week
So Tomer, what doe the non-budget list look like?
I still think crime should have played kaldra just to annoy tomer
What about Johan. I have it and would someone out there build him.
If you hate combo, play stax/control.
If you hate stax/control, play aggro.
If you hate aggro, play combo.
Basically, stop complaining about deck strategies, because if one doesn't exist, you give free wins to someone else.
thank you!
Yo! Omnath week! We have four now. What up?
I can't believe you realize so late creature lands are non basic lands.
I don't know why Crim is playing Yasharn, it does not help when he's stuck on 3 again.
tomer, im pretty sure regal force doesn't work with ashaya
Why not?
@@MTGGoldfishCommander I think their reasoning is because Forests are Colorless - after you get Ashaya on field, everything is a Forest... But I think a creature that's a Forest is still it's colours, right?
@@MTGGoldfishCommander because of what @anchupom aka freddie said. The way they looked on the battlefield made me think they were colorless but gatherer doesnt say anything about it.
Despite being Forests, and the way the interface makes them look, the creatures are still whatever color they were before they became Forests. Therefore Regal Force works the same it always has.
@@Darchias Oh ok. Thank you!
Real talk though, Crim decks are best decks. "There is a limited amount of fun in this world, and I will have all of it!"
30:00 if he pumped all his creatures infinitely, he would have 1 trample dude for Crim, 2 dudes for richard, and 2 dudes for seth, and would have won (arbor elf could have attacked as well)
We need more ways to punish green it's way too good nowadays
Insight?
Token decks don't want guardian project as it's nontoken.
I was ready to be mad at Crim for being the kind of player at the table that I hate, but he made me laugh so hard in the first game
sounds like a you problem, maybe play more interaction.
Plant based fog? Spore cloud.
Excellent
I love the goldfish crew but it feels like toner is using "haha budget deck" as an excuse to bring a much higher power level each week recently. Budget level does not equate to power level
I'd love to see what cool shenanigans Richard and Seth's decks could get up to if there wasn't a deck specifically designed to prevent decks getting to show what they can do in this exhibition game.
Why is Richard playing the worse 6 mana version of shamanic revelation?
How would Tomer feel about a blood moon
I love it
Didn't Tomer say he's playing budget Omnath? Hmm suspicious
Next week
Just saying three green players did not have a way to destroy sword of feast of famine.......... SERIOUSLY!!! NO WAY TO DEAL WITH AN ARTIFACT IN GREEN COMMANDER BEFORE IT VALUED HIM OUT OF THE GAME
I wholeheartedly believe that Crim/his decks make C-clash less enjoyable to watch. All of his decks have been uncreative "just jam all the anti-fun cards" style decks which SUCKS to watch because everyone else at the table brings decks that look interesting and make me want to see them played out. But we can't see them played out because Crim is always trying to just prevent other decks from functioning. It is not enjoyable to watch, Especially in a week where the focus is showcasing new commanders.
I agree with the sentiment that "anti-fun" decks generally do not make great content to watch in terms of gameplay. Previous seasons featuring Vince, Jennifer, and Tom also featured decks with high efficiency and less of a janky-theme that we associate with Richard, Seth, and Tomer. The main appeal for me is how Crim embraces the villain role and will play out the role without malice. Of course Crim knows that the cards he plays will induce salt; he knows the table dislikes Top and Counterbalance but will always bring it out on occasion. But there are also times when Crim gets hated out of the game without any ill-will like when Seth played Planar Void on Turn 1 when he played a graveyard deck.
Crim's decks can skew a game in one direction, but that is something that happens in most tables. I think the takeaway should be the other players' reactions and even if Richard, Tomer, and Seth groan I'm certain they are enjoying themselves regardless. As long as the table is laughing, I think the content will be fun to watch. That's how I feel at least.
DEX makes that deckbox tomer
Rite of rep is a finisher
this group should totally play among us
*Im-plack-able*
Kickharmonicon ;)
.... this first game was infuriating lol
Crim, Archenemy
verezolamonicon
Wait, if you have valakut, Ashaya and bloodmoon, all the creature you play are mountains; hence become valakut triggers
Blood moon kills ashaya as a state based action.
Classic Commander Clash... Tomer whines about someone else's deck and then combos off immediately to end the game, before anybody actually got to play the game.
yes, more stax cards. people need to get over it and learn how to deal with it.
Inplacable
I love Crims play philosophy: I don't really care if I win as long as I had fun playing the game. I run a Mogis deck that just does a little damage here and there to everyone each turn. I rarely win anymore since my play group figured out that a little off the top each turn adds up eventually but I usually have fun.
Someone tell Richard how to minimize players that are out of the game. (And Crim too, I believe.)
hes a good bit of chaos to the table :D