Always loved the blue PCBs of that Hercules cards (had a Geforce2 from Hercules back then) - just an eyecatcher. Bit of a shame that the GPU cooler of that 5700 is missing, but at least the card is working.
That is THE BEST Aureal Vortex 2 card there is (AU8830A2 is the Aureal Vortex 2 chip). Very nice find! I also have two myself, bought them many years ago when they were still affordable.
15:54 - POST code "0D0A" 😆 That HAS to be intentional - "DOA" or "Dead On Arrival" Once again, love your videos. I solder and salvage vicariously through them.
Fun fact: your BE6-II revision is actually one of the few with a print error - the sticker that says BE6-II on it hides... a BF6 printing on it. That's because BF6 and BE6 were the same board - except BF6 omitted RAID of any kind in favor of the missing PCI slot that the BE6-II has.
Ha, indeed! There is the sticker hiding BF6 that's printed on the board. I guess they wanted more BE6 boards and just taped over and adjusted the configuration.
I had a 440BX board back in the early 2000s for my then Linux machine. That board was incredibly picky with RAM. It could only handle single-sided sticks of up to 128MB. If I put a single sided stick of 256MB in it, it would only see 128MB. A dual-sided 256MB stick worked fine though, and I actually had a bit of a hard time finding one. Had to ask around in the local computer shops to see if they could possibly have one.
Thanks for the video! It's really good to see these kind of stuff today! (Nostalgia: My first ever PC had an Abit BH6 with a Celeron 366 MHz with a Slot1 to S370 adapter, plus a Voodoo 3 2000.)
@@bitsundbolts I like to think I have a good impression of that guy, but I don't know of anyone that can judge it. It's weird to talk in a very British accent.
@@bitsundbolts also there are these trucks that drive by from time to time that say "redi to serve". Every single time I have to do that impression as well. lol "YOU'RE THE KING?!!?!?" "I didn't vote for you!" LMAO
The AU8830A2 is the second revision vortex II chip, so no need to look any further for a vortex II card. The original monstersound was equiped with the original first generation aureal vortex, and came with a wavetable daughterboard.
I did come across this information. I think I wanted to find some more details about the FX series. I have an FX 5600 XT which is in terrible condition! Maybe a project I want to look at soon.
Yeah, those Kyro cards were the underdog fighting in the heavy-weight class. In certain situations, the Kyro could beat the top-tier cards from nVidia and ATI.
Hi Alex, the BX chipset does not support high-density memory chips (such as those in your TwinMOS sticks). Apparently, the BX chipset has better support for 256MB registered DIMMs. All I can say is that I have an HP ECC 256MB module and it works in my BX boards.
I think you maybe not need replace second PCI slot. I know it thanks to my Abit BE6-IIe - second and fifth PCI shares same IRQ and cannot work together. So you can use fifth PCI instead second and save time. You can find note about that in manual (chapter 1-4). Another important thing - AGP on this board is only 2x mode, so such cool thing as FX5700 Ultra cannot reach its potential on this board. Abit BE6-IIe produced in 1999 but that nVIDIA FX5700 has 2004 year date mark, so they are compatible but not so right pair. My stand has nVIDIA GeForce3 Ti200, its of cource not so cool as 5700 but more right pair for this Abit (and not common and pop as gf2, that also warms my soul a little ). If speak about memory modules - I use 128Mb (single sided) and 256Mb (double sided) 133MHz (on 112MHz because i overclock my PIII-550 to 616, its max stable level for it). I tried to use more modern modules (as 4-chips 512Mb) but its of course not working. But I haven't come across any 8-chips 256Mb modules and thats why I didnt check them.
On the Kyro I would go with a thermal pad instead of paste on the back side. Just to avoid potential shorts through the heatsink. It's anodized, but I wouldn't trust just that for isolation.
Well, when I removed the heatsink, there was the tiniest blob of white thermal paste I've ever seen. I could have used a thermal pad, you're right. I also would have the correct size (a very thin one). Although I did not test the thermal paste, I am certain it's non-conductive.
Wow, I have same MB as base of my Slot1 stand PC build. Very reliable one! Love it. Good overclocking potential and stability. And additional IDE ATA-66 controller is also very useful sa well as ISA slot. Very universal machine for many test tasks for DOS, Win98 and XP if it needs.
4:49 Are you going to populate the missing components. Q6, Q8, Q7, Q9 and the missing capacitors around U4? Im interested in what additional functionality they provide.
One does not modify a working Aureal 2 card, you leave it be as they are expensive to replace and the MX300 is one of the best Areal 2 cards you can find.
oh, for the FX5700 ULTRA Cooler: You could use one from a Geforce 4 TI Card, that should fit... Though modernish After Market Coolers work too, but that's then a 3 Slot Card or so... For "time correct" Coolers, the Titan CUV2AB, CUV3AB or something from Revoltek should work, if you get all the Parts...
I'll have a look, I'm sure I'll get something that will work on this card. I have a lot of Radeon 9700 and the like, but no card from Nvidia from that time.
@ The Problem is the Holes. You need a Cooler with IIRC 70mm between the holes. The 9700 are just the bog standard old 54mm ones (or something like that). That's the issue... And the Cooler for the 5700U was quite interesting as well, especially with the backplate and the whole shebang, IIRC quite similar to the FX5800
It would be nice to find an original cooler. Unfortunately, the fans are used up most of the time. I got a cooler in Germany that will fit this card. An aftermarket cooler made specifically for this card.
I had all the famous Abit motherboards back in the day. Including BE6 II. I seem to remember it was the pinnacle of the 440BX boards. So probably was the last 440BX I had
Abit seems to have had great boards for slot 1. I somehow missed out on that. I had a shuttle board for my Pentium II 350 and then Celeron 500. After that, I moved on to MSI and AMD Athlon 700 (Slot A).
my first thought on the 5700 wasn't that chip, it was the possible die to substrate solder ball issues that plagued 5x00 series cards at the time. and i've noticed some of the more complicated (read not just 440bx chips on the board) motherboards tend to not like outputting post codes to the isa bus. it's not universal, but it happens. that it won't boot at all with it in there is odd.
I have that same monster sound card but I have the rare daughter board with the Spdif output. at least that what the internet says. from what I seen the sound card itself is rare and sell for a nice chunk of change.
You're unable to pull out the pci slot damaged pin because it's like S shaped. To replace only one, you must absorb all the tin from the soldering. Then with the precision of a surgeon, pull out from the inside of the slot. Perhaps some part of the contact still inside or the metal is stuck on the plastic. To release it and insert the new one, you must be patient and have steady hands. So, it's better and easier if you replace the whole slot. Is not difficult but the tin on the motherboard needs too much heat and suction once it becomes liquid.
I cant be absolutely sure but I have experienced that with many of that era motherboards that only have one ISA slot post codes cant be seen in the ISA slot so it is very possible the ISA slot is fine.
Diamond monster sound mx300 is a Vortex 2 chip it uses the 8830 (which is the 2) not the 8820. It's a legendary card in the retro/vintage computer scene, highly praised at the time too. S3 and Diamond merged sometime after Aureal where bought out by Creative, later someone else bought the Diamond assets and brought the company back. Not sure how many products they've released since then but where pretty big in the mid to late 90s. My Vortex 2 is a Turtle Beach model and apparently it was a Dell oem card of all things. I have a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz aswell which is a great card.
Same here! I don't have any Nvidia card that has the "ultra" branding. But I hear that it has its own issues. Apparently, it doesn't work well under Windows 98. Better to use it with Windows XP (which kind of makes sense).
I also owned BE6-11 motherboard but one day it stop working and turned to capacitors that were bulging. I could not find the capacitors here in Toronto at that time. So It went to the scrapyard. It was the best motherboard.
@@bitsundbolts If you want a 370 version of the BE6-II V2 the BX133 is the same board but with Socket 370, 133FSB and better support for memory modules. I have a BX133 and its a rock solid board just like its BE6 brother.
I don't know if the card works, but I don't think the missing chip in the silicon isn't deep enough to kill it. So even if it doesn't work I suspect you can fix it.
i also have a QDI KT600 chipset that has 6 PCI and the last one doesn't work, just like yours, and the 5th one sees the card inserted but can't install drivers, the rest work fine. it doesn't bother me but i wanna see how you can fix it :) nice components you got there too
The Abit board has some interesting details about the PCI slots mentioned in the manual. Apparently, as with hard drives, PCI slots can be 'master' or 'slave'. The last PCI slot in this board is the only one that is 'slave' and not all cards will work on it. Sound cards for instance may have issues. But apparently, a Voodoo 2 card should work. I believe it has to do with bus mastering and how IRQs are assigned.
Pretty sure i got a 754 socket AMD and pentium 4 (socket?) mobos laying somewhere around, along with Geforce 2 ultra and radeon 9200 or 9600 AGP cards.. Would you sir recommend me keeping them (not that i'd throw them up😅 as they work)?
You'll miss the retro gear once you let it go 😜. The ATI 9600 is a nice card which might go well with either system. If that's the only retro gear you have, I'd keep it if I were you.
That might have worked on this case. However, I believe that this pin was quite weak. It might have broken after inserting a card a couple of times. I'll remove the slot and replace the broken piece with one from a spare slot.
@bitsundbolts I think you can push the pin through the hole in instead of trying to pull it out. Later you can put another pin from scrap connector in the cleaned up hole. Often the plastic of the connector will be deformed from the heat preventing from inserting the pin correctly but after heating the pad and guiding in with a tweezers it will re-melt the plastic a bit and fit into place. However: there are pins that are internally bent and unable to come out at all.
I desoldered a PCI connector from a scrap board. The pins a deformed and won't move in either direction. They won't fit through the via nor will I be able to push the pin. I have to desolder the connector. But I have to do this with a desoldering pump. I will mess up the board with hot air. It'll take time, but that's all I can do. Haha, just for this one single pin 😅
@@bitsundbolts I think you can also mess up the board with the desoldering tool. One mistake and you can internally separate the via from some inner layer. I think you should look into low-melt solder technique.
I agree. For this board, I thought of using the microscope for desoldering. I'll use low melt solder for vias that don't clean easily. But I'll have a look for best practices on how to desolder a PCI slot.
That sound card is great! Did you try the 3Droom on the original driver? Its super cool :D That is what I use on my fast SS7 system :) Also have those Twinmos 6ns ram but it does not work on ASUS P5A :(
I had FX5900 with bigger chip on the core than this and card worked perfectly 👍. Card was delided by me so that's how I found out, but damage was not done during delid and it seems like card came like this from factory. Card was made by MSI.
I wonder if those dies chip at the factory sometimes and the chips are still soldered to cards. If the card works, fine. If it doesn't, well, maybe scrap or replace.
@@bitsundbolts Mine was factory sealed, zero signs of previous work done to the card. I guess it worked when tested before soldering to PCB, so they decided to send it anyways.
I've heard that on those 'newer' boards, the CPU is locked by a serial number to the BIOS. It could be possible to swap the CPU with one from the same model, but there's still a risk.
this board suports a max of 768mb just do the math... 768/3=256mb you can have 3 256mb (total memory on both sides) dimms the max is 768, you have '6 memory slots'... you can only have 128+128+128+128+128+128 mb on each side...
i would expect memory to be good but every intel chipset require "bx" or "doublesided" there is many mames full timming memory while via and sis introduced reduced timming memory. and while bx memory works on every board reduced memory onlt work on via and sis chipsets i don't know if i even remember the name corectly but it was something about reducing refreshing cycles while intel needs to refresh memorey every cycle via/sis momory refreshes internaly...something like that obviously i can't find anything about that on current age internet as if old internet was shrinking
Haha, that would be nice, but no. The scrapyard here in the UAE is a bit different. Many independent companies that separate material. You can talk to them, negotiate, and take the things you lay for.
A3D 😊 Running on fresh linux 64x🤫 👍I checked it out personally. I hope to find someone who will adapt the driver for windows 10 it would be cool 😏👍 Работает на свежем linux 64x лично проверял
alright! thats some good success for that lot. hercules card is nice. i just had a post code card go bad like yours last week trying an untested p2b. had the power plugged in and the pca in the far isa slot, touched the power jumpers but nothing. tried a few times, nothing. removed the power and plugged back into a p3b and the p3b starts. i then pull the power and put it back to the untested p2b and one red light blips as it plugs in, but board still dead. after that the post card only displays dashes in isa and pci but the red leds all work.
I have to check this ISA + POST card issue. I am still not sure what the problem is, but I am going to check this when I get the chance. It could be that my POST card (ISA portion) is bad - but that would surprise me.
Ah, no worries. All good. The card works and I'll get one of those after market coolers which surprisingly are still available on Amazon in Germany for little money.
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Always loved the blue PCBs of that Hercules cards (had a Geforce2 from Hercules back then) - just an eyecatcher. Bit of a shame that the GPU cooler of that 5700 is missing, but at least the card is working.
I have this sound card. You hit the jackpot, it’s an amazing card and quite expensive. You live in a dream place for retro pc fans
That is THE BEST Aureal Vortex 2 card there is (AU8830A2 is the Aureal Vortex 2 chip). Very nice find! I also have two myself, bought them many years ago when they were still affordable.
Have that one back in the days. It's Vortex2 card and IMHO it's best
Very interesting! Thanks for the info. I need to look for more details about this card!
I also had one back in the days. I am really feeling old watching the hardware of my late teen/early twenties.
@@TheKCsaba always want 8086/8088 machine :) Don't feel old, feel wise!
These cards now go for 200 bux
15:54 - POST code "0D0A" 😆 That HAS to be intentional - "DOA" or "Dead On Arrival"
Once again, love your videos. I solder and salvage vicariously through them.
Fun fact: your BE6-II revision is actually one of the few with a print error - the sticker that says BE6-II on it hides... a BF6 printing on it.
That's because BF6 and BE6 were the same board - except BF6 omitted RAID of any kind in favor of the missing PCI slot that the BE6-II has.
Ha, indeed! There is the sticker hiding BF6 that's printed on the board. I guess they wanted more BE6 boards and just taped over and adjusted the configuration.
I had a 440BX board back in the early 2000s for my then Linux machine. That board was incredibly picky with RAM. It could only handle single-sided sticks of up to 128MB. If I put a single sided stick of 256MB in it, it would only see 128MB. A dual-sided 256MB stick worked fine though, and I actually had a bit of a hard time finding one. Had to ask around in the local computer shops to see if they could possibly have one.
Thanks for the video! It's really good to see these kind of stuff today!
(Nostalgia: My first ever PC had an Abit BH6 with a Celeron 366 MHz with a Slot1 to S370 adapter, plus a Voodoo 3 2000.)
That's a very nice system! I guess you did upgrade down the line to a faster Pentium III?
Nice haul!
your sound card works perfectly!
enjoying yourself?
your sound card works perfectly!
IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!
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@@bitsundbolts I like to think I have a good impression of that guy, but I don't know of anyone that can judge it. It's weird to talk in a very British accent.
@@bitsundbolts also there are these trucks that drive by from time to time that say "redi to serve". Every single time I have to do that impression as well. lol "YOU'RE THE KING?!!?!?" "I didn't vote for you!" LMAO
The AU8830A2 is the second revision vortex II chip, so no need to look any further for a vortex II card. The original monstersound was equiped with the original first generation aureal vortex, and came with a wavetable daughterboard.
Monstor runs on fresh linux x64 there is a pruf personally checked.🤫
I wish someone would adapt it for windows 10 🤔😏
That is a really nice haul! I wish I still had my old Abit BX6-II. Loved that board.
Fun fact: FX 5700 Ultra was the first card to use GDDR3, though the initial models used GDDR2.
I did come across this information. I think I wanted to find some more details about the FX series. I have an FX 5600 XT which is in terrible condition! Maybe a project I want to look at soon.
Kyro 2, such an interesting card. I have one in my retro system, was pretty awesome for its time.
Yeah, those Kyro cards were the underdog fighting in the heavy-weight class. In certain situations, the Kyro could beat the top-tier cards from nVidia and ATI.
Hi Alex, the BX chipset does not support high-density memory chips (such as those in your TwinMOS sticks). Apparently, the BX chipset has better support for 256MB registered DIMMs. All I can say is that I have an HP ECC 256MB module and it works in my BX boards.
Ah, good to know. I had a suspicion, but I thought I read in the manual that it should support the memory. Anyway, I might have misread that.
You may be able to find some new old stock Arctic Accelero Cooler for that FX5700 Ultra. I ran those Arctic coolers on my GPU's up to my GTX 1070 :)
I already got one. My brother bought it from Amazon in Germany - lol! They're still available and not expensive.
I think you maybe not need replace second PCI slot. I know it thanks to my Abit BE6-IIe - second and fifth PCI shares same IRQ and cannot work together. So you can use fifth PCI instead second and save time. You can find note about that in manual (chapter 1-4). Another important thing - AGP on this board is only 2x mode, so such cool thing as FX5700 Ultra cannot reach its potential on this board. Abit BE6-IIe produced in 1999 but that nVIDIA FX5700 has 2004 year date mark, so they are compatible but not so right pair. My stand has nVIDIA GeForce3 Ti200, its of cource not so cool as 5700 but more right pair for this Abit (and not common and pop as gf2, that also warms my soul a little ). If speak about memory modules - I use 128Mb (single sided) and 256Mb (double sided) 133MHz (on 112MHz because i overclock my PIII-550 to 616, its max stable level for it). I tried to use more modern modules (as 4-chips 512Mb) but its of course not working. But I haven't come across any 8-chips 256Mb modules and thats why I didnt check them.
I had an Abit BE6 II just like that one... when they were new lol.
All the tech I regret selling/giving away over the years now...
7:10 What signal is on that bent pin? Hopefully its just a ground or power pin. There are multiple ground and power pins.
4:00 that IS a Vortex2 chipset (supporting A3D2)
On the Kyro I would go with a thermal pad instead of paste on the back side. Just to avoid potential shorts through the heatsink. It's anodized, but I wouldn't trust just that for isolation.
Well, when I removed the heatsink, there was the tiniest blob of white thermal paste I've ever seen.
I could have used a thermal pad, you're right. I also would have the correct size (a very thin one). Although I did not test the thermal paste, I am certain it's non-conductive.
Wow, I have same MB as base of my Slot1 stand PC build. Very reliable one! Love it. Good overclocking potential and stability. And additional IDE ATA-66 controller is also very useful sa well as ISA slot. Very universal machine for many test tasks for DOS, Win98 and XP if it needs.
It is a very nice board. I'll try to get that PCI slot fixed and see what's going on with this ISA+POST card problem.
4:49 Are you going to populate the missing components. Q6, Q8, Q7, Q9 and the missing capacitors around U4? Im interested in what additional functionality they provide.
One does not modify a working Aureal 2 card, you leave it be as they are expensive to replace and the MX300 is one of the best Areal 2 cards you can find.
oh, for the FX5700 ULTRA Cooler:
You could use one from a Geforce 4 TI Card, that should fit...
Though modernish After Market Coolers work too, but that's then a 3 Slot Card or so...
For "time correct" Coolers, the Titan CUV2AB, CUV3AB or something from Revoltek should work, if you get all the Parts...
If it covers that broken PCI slot, solves two problems ;)
I'll have a look, I'm sure I'll get something that will work on this card. I have a lot of Radeon 9700 and the like, but no card from Nvidia from that time.
@sirramslot5480 🤣
@ The Problem is the Holes. You need a Cooler with IIRC 70mm between the holes. The 9700 are just the bog standard old 54mm ones (or something like that). That's the issue...
And the Cooler for the 5700U was quite interesting as well, especially with the backplate and the whole shebang, IIRC quite similar to the FX5800
It would be nice to find an original cooler. Unfortunately, the fans are used up most of the time. I got a cooler in Germany that will fit this card. An aftermarket cooler made specifically for this card.
I had all the famous Abit motherboards back in the day. Including BE6 II. I seem to remember it was the pinnacle of the 440BX boards. So probably was the last 440BX I had
Abit seems to have had great boards for slot 1. I somehow missed out on that. I had a shuttle board for my Pentium II 350 and then Celeron 500. After that, I moved on to MSI and AMD Athlon 700 (Slot A).
my first thought on the 5700 wasn't that chip, it was the possible die to substrate solder ball issues that plagued 5x00 series cards at the time.
and i've noticed some of the more complicated (read not just 440bx chips on the board) motherboards tend to not like outputting post codes to the isa bus. it's not universal, but it happens.
that it won't boot at all with it in there is odd.
XP and Seven drivers with sound equalizer, that was the good old days.
You might find the heatsink for the 5700 ultra at the scrapyard.
Nope, scrappers are evil, it was melted down for it's nickel's worth of copper.
I have that same monster sound card but I have the rare daughter board with the Spdif output. at least that what the internet says. from what I seen the sound card itself is rare and sell for a nice chunk of change.
I've seen mods that allow you to get S/PDIF without the daughter board. But of course, it is nicer to have the original! It is a very nice card!
You're unable to pull out the pci slot damaged pin because it's like S shaped.
To replace only one, you must absorb all the tin from the soldering. Then with the precision of a surgeon, pull out from the inside of the slot. Perhaps some part of the contact still inside or the metal is stuck on the plastic.
To release it and insert the new one, you must be patient and have steady hands.
So, it's better and easier if you replace the whole slot.
Is not difficult but the tin on the motherboard needs too much heat and suction once it becomes liquid.
I'd like to see you diagnose the ISA port issue on the motherboard.
Upgrading the 5700 would be a cool video that I would like to see.
I'll check if there is a way to add more memory to the card after I get the cooler.
39:49 The i440BX chipset doesn't support high density memory like those TwinMOS DIMMs. Always use low density RAM for the best compatibility.
I cant be absolutely sure but I have experienced that with many of that era motherboards that only have one ISA slot post codes cant be seen in the ISA slot so it is very possible the ISA slot is fine.
Diamond monster sound mx300 is a Vortex 2 chip it uses the 8830 (which is the 2) not the 8820. It's a legendary card in the retro/vintage computer scene, highly praised at the time too. S3 and Diamond merged sometime after Aureal where bought out by Creative, later someone else bought the Diamond assets and brought the company back. Not sure how many products they've released since then but where pretty big in the mid to late 90s.
My Vortex 2 is a Turtle Beach model and apparently it was a Dell oem card of all things. I have a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz aswell which is a great card.
Monstor runs on fresh linux x64 there is a pruf personally checked.
I wish someone would adapt it for windows 10
Awesome video as always! I can't wait to see the Nvidia card all fixed up!
Same here! I don't have any Nvidia card that has the "ultra" branding. But I hear that it has its own issues. Apparently, it doesn't work well under Windows 98. Better to use it with Windows XP (which kind of makes sense).
4:31 Is Gem
I also owned BE6-11 motherboard but one day it stop working and turned to capacitors that were bulging. I could not find the capacitors here in Toronto at that time. So It went to the scrapyard. It was the best motherboard.
Sorry to hear that your board suffered from bad caps. So, it might be a really interesting board to explore.
@@bitsundbolts If you want a 370 version of the BE6-II V2 the BX133 is the same board but with Socket 370, 133FSB and better support for memory modules. I have a BX133 and its a rock solid board just like its BE6 brother.
Would be nice to see how that kyro compares to a ati 7000 pci with 64 mem and 64bit bus. Just for my amd k62 setup.
Ah, I should work on some socket 7 projects again. I have a few boards that need to be restored.
I think I have that sound card new in box. I picked up some new in box dimond cards a year ago.
Haha, you might have a quite expensive item there! New in box? Wow 😮 - you better check if you have it.
I don't know if the card works, but I don't think the missing chip in the silicon isn't deep enough to kill it. So even if it doesn't work I suspect you can fix it.
Hehe, you guessed correctly! The card works! Now I just need a proper cooler for it.
i also have a QDI KT600 chipset that has 6 PCI and the last one doesn't work, just like yours, and the 5th one sees the card inserted but can't install drivers, the rest work fine. it doesn't bother me but i wanna see how you can fix it :) nice components you got there too
The Abit board has some interesting details about the PCI slots mentioned in the manual. Apparently, as with hard drives, PCI slots can be 'master' or 'slave'. The last PCI slot in this board is the only one that is 'slave' and not all cards will work on it. Sound cards for instance may have issues. But apparently, a Voodoo 2 card should work. I believe it has to do with bus mastering and how IRQs are assigned.
@@bitsundbolts i had no idea, that;s interesting
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Pretty sure i got a 754 socket AMD and pentium 4 (socket?) mobos laying somewhere around, along with Geforce 2 ultra and radeon 9200 or 9600 AGP cards.. Would you sir recommend me keeping them (not that i'd throw them up😅 as they work)?
Both good for 98 SE gaming, or early XP up to around '03, depending on which CPUs,
You'll miss the retro gear once you let it go 😜. The ATI 9600 is a nice card which might go well with either system. If that's the only retro gear you have, I'd keep it if I were you.
The 256MB single sided sdram is too high density for 440bx. Max 128MB per side. Up to 8 sides for 1GB, with four ram slots.
If you have weak pins in the slot just put a piece of a rubber band inside the slot to act as a support.
That might have worked on this case. However, I believe that this pin was quite weak. It might have broken after inserting a card a couple of times. I'll remove the slot and replace the broken piece with one from a spare slot.
@bitsundbolts I think you can push the pin through the hole in instead of trying to pull it out. Later you can put another pin from scrap connector in the cleaned up hole. Often the plastic of the connector will be deformed from the heat preventing from inserting the pin correctly but after heating the pad and guiding in with a tweezers it will re-melt the plastic a bit and fit into place.
However: there are pins that are internally bent and unable to come out at all.
I desoldered a PCI connector from a scrap board. The pins a deformed and won't move in either direction. They won't fit through the via nor will I be able to push the pin. I have to desolder the connector.
But I have to do this with a desoldering pump. I will mess up the board with hot air. It'll take time, but that's all I can do. Haha, just for this one single pin 😅
@@bitsundbolts I think you can also mess up the board with the desoldering tool. One mistake and you can internally separate the via from some inner layer. I think you should look into low-melt solder technique.
I agree. For this board, I thought of using the microscope for desoldering. I'll use low melt solder for vias that don't clean easily. But I'll have a look for best practices on how to desolder a PCI slot.
That sound card is great! Did you try the 3Droom on the original driver? Its super cool :D That is what I use on my fast SS7 system :) Also have those Twinmos 6ns ram but it does not work on ASUS P5A :(
I haven't used the card since I finished the video, but I'll definitely check out the driver CD and get the utilities installed.
I had FX5900 with bigger chip on the core than this and card worked perfectly 👍.
Card was delided by me so that's how I found out, but damage was not done during delid and it seems like card came like this from factory. Card was made by MSI.
I wonder if those dies chip at the factory sometimes and the chips are still soldered to cards. If the card works, fine. If it doesn't, well, maybe scrap or replace.
@@bitsundbolts Mine was factory sealed, zero signs of previous work done to the card. I guess it worked when tested before soldering to PCB, so they decided to send it anyways.
Probably. I mean, what is the likelihood that someone removes the cooler 😅
Exactly my thoughts.
With Patient I Pretty Sure You Can Replace CPU
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I've heard that on those 'newer' boards, the CPU is locked by a serial number to the BIOS.
It could be possible to swap the CPU with one from the same model, but there's still a risk.
Try to find this motherboard : BP6
Your Scrapyard/Ewaste Is Gold Mine
I have to check, but I believe I have one of those somewhere. I don't remember, but I definitely have another slot , 1 board from Abit.
There are a lot of scrapyards around me but you can't take anything from there sadly.
Sad 😢 maybe you should find someone who's working there and become friends 😄
this board suports a max of 768mb
just do the math...
768/3=256mb
you can have 3 256mb (total memory on both sides) dimms
the max is 768, you have '6 memory slots'... you can only have 128+128+128+128+128+128 mb on each side...
BX unterstützt 256MB-Module nur als doppelseitige DIMMs, ist normal
i would expect memory to be good but every intel chipset require "bx" or "doublesided" there is many mames full timming memory
while via and sis introduced reduced timming memory. and while bx memory works on every board reduced memory onlt work on via and sis chipsets i don't know if i even remember the name corectly but it was something about reducing refreshing cycles while intel needs to refresh memorey every cycle via/sis momory refreshes internaly...something like that obviously i can't find anything about that on current age internet as if old internet was shrinking
Yes, it's odd. I think I have seen that those memory modules should work. But there's always a chance that there is some incompatibility.
Where is this magical scrapyard? Can you just pick out stuff to take with you?
Haha, that would be nice, but no. The scrapyard here in the UAE is a bit different. Many independent companies that separate material. You can talk to them, negotiate, and take the things you lay for.
A3D 😊 Running on fresh linux 64x🤫 👍I checked it out personally.
I hope to find someone who will adapt the driver for windows 10 it would be cool 😏👍
Работает на свежем linux 64x лично проверял
alright! thats some good success for that lot. hercules card is nice. i just had a post code card go bad like yours last week trying an untested p2b. had the power plugged in and the pca in the far isa slot, touched the power jumpers but nothing. tried a few times, nothing. removed the power and plugged back into a p3b and the p3b starts. i then pull the power and put it back to the untested p2b and one red light blips as it plugs in, but board still dead. after that the post card only displays dashes in isa and pci but the red leds all work.
I have to check this ISA + POST card issue. I am still not sure what the problem is, but I am going to check this when I get the chance. It could be that my POST card (ISA portion) is bad - but that would surprise me.
my brother in Christ, I have a 5700 Ultra lying around, can take pictures if reference in unavailable
EDIT: its 5900 :/
Ah, no worries. All good. The card works and I'll get one of those after market coolers which surprisingly are still available on Amazon in Germany for little money.