Dave: Ever since you pointed out to me NAXOS's "Early Music Box" last year I've at long last opened my ears to a whole different world of music. I really appreciate this talk because it reminds me, even at my age, just how much more music I know nothing about and wish to eagerly explore. This was certainly informative, and I thank you for taking the effort educating myself and the rest of us. Outstanding!
I remember Tallis's masterwork rendered as "Spam in allium" (Spam in garlic) in one British newspaper. Probably my favourite musical misprint ever, alongside Beethoven's "Erotica" Symphony.
It was actually the Hilliard Ensemble's recording of Machaut's Messe de Nostre Dame that pushed me to check out even more music of this era. It is always a pleasure to listen to. Thanks so much for your videos, Dave. Your suggestions have pointed me towards so much more new music that I might not have found otherwise.
So many thanks and much gratitude for this wonderful post/list David…this period of music (basically anything pre Monteverdi) is the one that I’m least familiar with/informed about, as I have never really spent the time to acclimate my ears and appreciate it….Couperin & Monteverdi have pretty much always been the earliest guys that really grab my heart and mind…and for no other reason than my own laziness, because of not being instantly captivated as with Bach or Wagner or Prokofiev….without your wonderful posts like this, which explain, educate and inspire, I don’t think I’d make the effort on my own, to expand my listening to those genres/composers which, up to this point in time, haven’t found a place in my heart…the Palestrina is the only work familiar to me in this list, I’m somewhat ashamed to admit…but I will greatly enjoy discovering all the others, with the foundation of your descriptions and explanations. What a marvelous education you are providing us with, which encourages us to expand our knowledge and discovery of new works. With appreciation and gratitude. Best wishes from California. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🥰
That's a nice, deep-but-tight list. I have several Renaissance CDs on the Virgin label ("two-fors"). I wrote a paper on Machaut in grad school (made me really appreciate Renaissance music).
Some musicians have attempted to add instrumental music to acapella masses, e.g. Miroslav Venhoda's rendition of Josquin's Missa Pange Lingua - not bad at all but out of print and only available on vinyl.
Excellent video, very informative. I am actually familiar with only a few of these composers, Josquin, Palestrina, and Tallis among them, so this is a very good guide to expanding my listening in this area. At the risk of being deleted, let me just mention a 34-disc budget priced collection that I discovered on Amazon from Warner called Josquin and the Franco-Flemish School, with many composers, artists and releases over the years, it could be worthy of a separate review? Or perhaps that's just too much of a good thing!
As an undergraduate in 1977, I discovered that David Munroe's recording of Dufay's L'homme Arme Mass was a "girl magnet" in my dorm. Magnet or not, it is one of my all time favorites.
Which actually he was from a chronological standpoint. But I think that Dave, for easiness of reference, meant to include under "Reinassance" both pioneers (Machaut) and late followers (Gesualdo) of that style.
I read that Machaut's Messe has six parts: Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, and Ite, missa est. But there are recordings of it with more than six parts such as the one on Cantus (Ensemble Gilles Binchois, Dominique Vellard), which has seventeen parts, and the one on Harmonia Mundi (Ensemble Organum, Marcel Pérès), which has twelve parts. Do the additional parts belong to the original work, or are they extraneous additions to it?
Dave: Ever since you pointed out to me NAXOS's "Early Music Box" last year I've at long last opened my ears to a whole different world of music. I really appreciate this talk because it reminds me, even at my age, just how much more music I know nothing about and wish to eagerly explore. This was certainly informative, and I thank you for taking the effort educating myself and the rest of us. Outstanding!
Took a break from you, Dave, but you pulled me back with this neat intro. You're simply the best 🙂
Finally some earlier music!
I love the Byrd masses. I need to explore the others. Thanks for this list.
I remember Tallis's masterwork rendered as "Spam in allium" (Spam in garlic) in one British newspaper. Probably my favourite musical misprint ever, alongside Beethoven's "Erotica" Symphony.
And Salome’s “Ich habe deinen Hund geküsst, Jochanaaaahaaann!”
Erotica symphony sounds like a yet-undiscovered work of PDQ Bach.
@@MDK2_Radio I've seen Stockhausen's 'Hymnen' written about with the first 'n' omitted
I've always loved Ensemble Organum's Messe de Nostre Dame, they really crank the severity to 11.
That recording is absolutely gonzo - "what if this piece were Corsican all along?", and is easilly one of my top ten favorite recordings.
It was actually the Hilliard Ensemble's recording of Machaut's Messe de Nostre Dame that pushed me to check out even more music of this era. It is always a pleasure to listen to.
Thanks so much for your videos, Dave. Your suggestions have pointed me towards so much more new music that I might not have found otherwise.
Today I ordered them all within my set budget 🙂
Really glad to see this. Love the history…
So many thanks and much gratitude for this wonderful post/list David…this period of music (basically anything pre Monteverdi) is the one that I’m least familiar with/informed about, as I have never really spent the time to acclimate my ears and appreciate it….Couperin & Monteverdi have pretty much always been the earliest guys that really grab my heart and mind…and for no other reason than my own laziness, because of not being instantly captivated as with Bach or Wagner or Prokofiev….without your wonderful posts like this, which explain, educate and inspire, I don’t think I’d make the effort on my own, to expand my listening to those genres/composers which, up to this point in time, haven’t found a place in my heart…the Palestrina is the only work familiar to me in this list, I’m somewhat ashamed to admit…but I will greatly enjoy discovering all the others, with the foundation of your descriptions and explanations. What a marvelous education you are providing us with, which encourages us to expand our knowledge and discovery of new works. With appreciation and gratitude. Best wishes from California. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🥰
That's a nice, deep-but-tight list. I have several Renaissance CDs on the Virgin label ("two-fors"). I wrote a paper on Machaut in grad school (made me really appreciate Renaissance music).
Thank you very much.
You are welcome!
That should be your next shirt: Keep on triangulating! A wonderful way to start off 2023.
Some musicians have attempted to add instrumental music to acapella masses, e.g. Miroslav Venhoda's rendition of Josquin's Missa Pange Lingua - not bad at all but out of print and only available on vinyl.
Excellent video, very informative. I am actually familiar with only a few of these composers, Josquin, Palestrina, and Tallis among them, so this is a very good guide to expanding my listening in this area. At the risk of being deleted, let me just mention a 34-disc budget priced collection that I discovered on Amazon from Warner called Josquin and the Franco-Flemish School, with many composers, artists and releases over the years, it could be worthy of a separate review? Or perhaps that's just too much of a good thing!
He has reviewed this great box. It‘s under his ‚boxes‘ reviews. Wonderful stuff😊
@@michaelbay212 thanks I’ll check it out!
As an undergraduate in 1977, I discovered that David Munroe's recording of Dufay's L'homme Arme Mass was a "girl magnet" in my dorm. Magnet or not, it is one of my all time favorites.
I have cow magnets on my refrigerator.
I’d always thought of Machaut as a late Medieval composer.
Which actually he was from a chronological standpoint. But I think that Dave, for easiness of reference, meant to include under "Reinassance" both pioneers (Machaut) and late followers (Gesualdo) of that style.
I read that Machaut's Messe has six parts: Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, and Ite, missa est. But there are recordings of it with more than six parts such as the one on Cantus (Ensemble Gilles Binchois, Dominique Vellard), which has seventeen parts, and the one on Harmonia Mundi (Ensemble Organum, Marcel Pérès), which has twelve parts. Do the additional parts belong to the original work, or are they extraneous additions to it?
They are extraneous additions.