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Portugal's MG-13: the M938 Light Machine Gun
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- The MG13 was an interim machine gun used by the German military in the 1930s until the MG34 was adopted and widely issued. The MG13 (so designated to allow a claim that it was a WW1 era design, not a new development by Rheinmetall in the 1920s) was a closed-bolt, magazine fed, short recoil, hammer fired design. It has a particularly interesting mechanism allowing the recoil spring tension to be adjusted, and also has a folding stock - an unusual feature on a light machine gun. Fed by both 25 round box magazines and 75 round double drums, this particular example is a Portuguese contract example designated the M938. Today’s video will focus on the mechanical operation of the gun, rather than its developmental history.
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Jesus Ian, when you said it comes with 'a bunch of stuff' you weren't kidding! If you buy this gun, you also get:
>Complete repair kit
>Anti-air tripod
>Four spare barrels
>Two spare bolts
>Flash hider
>Magazine loader, which you will need to load the
>FORTY EIGHT magazines, which you can carry in the
>Three ammo cans and
>Six magazine pouches
>And a sling to top it all off
This isn't a machine gun, it's a complete machine gunner's kit. If you get the chance, it would be awesome to see a video of all the extra bits.
TheImpendingDm thanks for the info. Is the bullet the 8x57?
@@samiam619 I was going to go look it up, but I can't find the listing on Rock Island's website anymore. Maybe it got pulled? Wikipedia says that's the right caliber, though.
TheImpendingDm wish I had infinite money for something like that
Good Lord, that is an expansive lot of gear. My goodness, if only I had the ludicrous amount of money that must've been worth. By God!
Had to sing this list like 12 days of Christmas
Just a bit of information regarding this weapon in Portugal.
After Germany created the MG-34, they no longer had the need for the MG-13. By the end of the 1930s, Portugal bought most of the MG-13, becoming it's main user.
In Portugal it had the designation of "Metralhadora Dreyse m/938". Metralhadora = Machine-gun.
This weapon became the official light machine-gun por Portugal's Infantry Army, up until the 1960 and was used during the Portuguese Colonial War. After that, it was replaced by the MG-42, and later on, by the HK-21.
This gun did use 25 round magazines, but it could also use a double drum magazine, with 75 rounds.
The weapon also had a standard carry strap for transportation.
I worked with a man who was in the Portuguese Navy, he was a submarine crew member and they had a pet monkey on board during missions.
Colonial wars:guerras do ultramar.
What's the practicality of a double drum to a Single drum? (If any at all?)
A malta que esteve na guerra colonial ja tinha mg42 e hk21, nao foi depois foi durante
Ironically they used two MG-13s in their first new tank.
I inspected several hundred MG13's in Portugal back around 1982-3 for a surplus arms dealer I worked for back then. Many were like new in the transit boxes literally 'drowned' in cosmoline! I ruined all the clothes I was wearing going through them and used boiling water to completely clean one or two for photographs.... most went as surplus to the USA as parts kits. A year later I did the same trip and we bought hundreds of Portugese contract MG34's.... that was on a Portugese Air Force base and in a storage hanger guarded by a soldier armed with an AR10.... wish camcorders were around back then!
The company was A J Budge!
No luck searching the interweb for an firearms importer A J Budge. I would think this company is long out of business. Could you provide more information about this company? What did they import, quantity of items etc. Just curious.
Thanks
Are you sure it wasn't A F Budge based in Retford, Nottinghamshire, UK? The owner had a vast collection of military vehicles and even had a Scud missile launcher.
@@dr_dr Hi David, yes you are correct. It was 33 years ago and time dulls the brain😁 Tony Budge had bought out my good friends business (Pat Walker Guns) to get into the surplus smallarms business. A guy called Bob Fleming got Tony into surplus vehicles and AFV's. Sadly the collection was sold off in or around 1996 when Barclays Bank forced the company into receivership... sadly Tony passed away in 2010 well after the business closed. I was in Retford in 2017 at Pat Walkers funeral, the old Budge site (Rope Works) is just opposite the railway station but alas not full of tanks as it was back in the day☹
all bullshit
@@PsychoMan not bullshit... FACT!
The amount of machine work on so many interwar guns is amazing.
And it's all gorgeous.😁
it is, And a good showing of how the needs of war sometimes push out the more refined building methods. there was plenty of time for machining and then the drums of war sound and now you need 1,000,000+ guns so fire up the stamping mills.
Machine gun? No, no, this is a sewing machine and therefore allowed under the Treaty!
Theres old Polish joke from commie times
First secretary of communist party visits sewing machine factory and asks one of the workers what she'd want to get for her efficient work:
-id like sewing machine.
-you work at sewing machine factory you could have stolen parts and build one.
-i did and now i have three AKs at home but still no sewing machine!
I was about to make the same joke. But with more bad German accent! Well played sir! In my version it was a nail gun. We're pretty much all on the same page though.
Like with wife: U have new dress? nooo it is old, was lying in the closet werry long time.
WIth germany: U have new MG? nooo it is old, was lying in boxes all time...
It's a work of art!
So many pieces of machined metal. I find the whole thing fascinating.
@TiglathPileser3 good one
Somewhere in Germany in late 20's:
- Why do you think you can design machineguns?
- Well, I worked in a clock workshop...
- Say no more!
Alexander Marinin Don’t forget the late 70s as well...
Well this one is pretty simple.
You underestimate human ingenuity to turn everything : Mechanism, Movement, into weapons..XD
Pck Kaboo all we need is time.
Versailles Official: “You know what this is.”
German Armorer: “I know what this is. This is an expresso machine. No, no, no it’s a snow cone maker, that’s what it is.”
Versailles Official angrily moves closer
German Armorer: “Is it a water heater?”
ELDIABLO0913 hmm like theyd give a damn.
Is that a god damned True Lies reference in 2019? Fuck yeah!
0.0 Casualties
@@KenworthW900HG I didn't even realize till I saw your comment. Nice catch.
Take my thumbs up for the True Lies reference.
iPod mounts? Now that's future proofing.
😂😂 I thought I was the only one who heard that... think it was bad editing
Drop the bass while kicking ass. Which to be fair I would not be surprised if there is an iDevice mount for guns today given all the other "tacticool" stuff sold. But yes I heard ipod too.
bipod kklkk
Look at that hammer, they sure didn't want any light strikes.
@Gōdon Gurando Patreon early viewer I presume.
Yeah that would fire a 20mm no problem.
Mongo63a 1 day ago. Bruh are u some kind of hacker?
I've seen smaller actual hammers.
german strikes are never light
Love that self supporting field strip feature. Someone dealt with that mess before.
i think someone at the first presentation of that gun and its barrel change mechanism pinched his fingers so bad that this lever came as a afterward change :D
*insert wild german curses here*
@@oluenionloppu Here you go: "Kreizkruzifixeininuamoi"
that "disassembly block" actually makes a lot of sense if you add in all the other considerations they made for using that as a mounted gun.
Yeah, that seems ideal for a load of mounted gun situations, not as annoying as some of the other styles for a vehicle mount either potentially.
If there's a Portuguese flag on it, it gets an automatic like from me. Thanks, Ian.
12:00 that is called "desenrascar-se" a portuguese moto that we´re very good at
Ah yes, i saw these MG's in the portuguese army museum in porto. They are delicious. Porto is also very beautifull
you must have seen it in 1913, right - right?!
Props from the Portuguese fans!!
My Grandpa used this gun during his service in Angola. He served from 69-71. He did basic training with the Mauser but this was his main gun as he was a Radio operator.
As so often with Ian McCollum this manages to be genuinely rigorous, balanced, well paced and entertaining as well. Thank you Ian, and congratulations on continuing the consistently high standard, we do appreciate it.
Having just learned in the Q&A video about how out of sequence videos videos are uploaded, if he ever, in a moment of insanity decides to change his facial hair or hair cut, the continuity is going to be an absolute nightmare.
Also great video 👍
Change his hair? Doubt it. Like the biblical Samson, Gun Jesus derives his power from his magnificent hair. :D
Michael Smith I’m imagining a bald Ian looking confused as he tries to strip down a rifle and nothing works 😂
@@matthayward7889 bald Ian would not be Gun Jesus, he would be Gun Johnny Sins
@@matthayward7889 ROFLMAO. :D
@@StanislavG. Mister Gun Clean
This channel is better then many gun encyclopedias. I have read about the MG 13 but it was one photograph and a sentence or two.
Yes, Portugal caralho!!
"Caralho" eh o mastro no qual ficavam os marinheiros vigilantes dos perigos no mar, p isso a expressao:vou te mandar à casa do caralho em bom e velho portugues lusofono.
@@silvadossantos6803 profundo
@@tigergamer4233 no português do Brasil a maioria das expressões de Portugal são tidas como ofensivas.
@@silvadossantos6803 Azar... eheheh
@@ricardosousa7150 o sufixo 'Eiro'' como em :"macumbeiro, maconheiro, Cachaceiro, cangaceiro " e por ai vai varias palavras Como criolou e rapariga dos lusos TB sao tidas Como ofensivas.
If you ever run across a Solothurn S-100 in your travels please present it as well! It seems to be similar to the MG-13 but with a roller locking bolt. Great presentation, as usual!
hello firstable i apologie my English
thank you for yours videos specially this one.
i am portugues and i live in france.
i am listen at the NRA in usa.. and i love guns.
yours videos are very cool.
thank you
Portuguese guy here... Very interesting channel for weapons history and a little bit of war history as well, instead of just shooting weapons and destroy stuff like others channels do...
I'm Portuguese so its very nice to see you do a clip about a Portuguese weapon, there aren't many of them... I would refer you to Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo for more information on that thing, if there is any i bet you can find it there.
My Grandpa served in Angola 69-71. It is definitely nice to see what he would be using, he was also a radio operator.
@@sebastiandomingos335probably the g3
Hello. I am Portuguese and i live in Portugal. Metralhadora Ligeira is The correct name. S is Segurança, F is Fogo, A is Automático. Great video, by the way. Huge follower of The channel and Gun entusiast myself.
Finally a Portuguese fire arm, thank you gun jesus.
He had a Portuguese AR10 on the channel a while ago too
E ele também fez um vídeo sobre uma Madsen portuguesa.
Wow, even in today's modern firearms the mechanisms to fire said weapon are so simple, I always thought it was much more complicated inside but it's not the gun itself that makes those rounds effective, that's due to the primer and powder in the round itself, this channel is so neat!
Not an MG, just a blank firing staple gun, nothing to see here, move along ...
It launches... party favors. That flash at the end of the party favor delivery system is just a strobe.
MGs provided with a second barrel designed to drive concrete spikes. Manufacturer recommends attaching this barrel and secondary instructions during shipment and shipping live fire barrels as XXXL tent stakes...
Your mom
And if it was an MG we designed it 18 years ago anyways.
About 200 of these were used in Spain as squad LMGs and mounted on tripods, plus the ones used in Panzer Is, each having a pair of MG-13s. In Spain they are frequently referred to as "Dreyse" machine guns.
same as in portugal - they're also "Dreyse"
One of the smartest machine guns I've seen,very well designed and made. I bet it functioned reliably as well.
Huge Bartlett Smartest? You missed the part of it is magazine fed and the barrel has to go out the back...
Actually the designation might have been a PR thing to keep the Versailles supervision comittees out of the loop, but this weapon was indeed based on 1910s water cooled machinegun designs. At least the action is very similar to that of some Schmeisser designs dating of that time. To which point the MG13 was actually one of those weapons, just changed from water cooled to air cooled, or received further design work or refinement, it's as Ian stated, quite hazy...but for once the Germans didn't **totally** cheat the Versailles treaty with this weapon. They just...let's say...bend the rules XD
Here I am minding my own business and enjoying my favorite gun channel and out of the blue I get additional infos from the man RAMJB himself :)
(Long ago I enjoyed your WT videos and forum posts).
@@Guhonter Heheh heya ;). As you can see this is my favorite gun channel aswell (hmmm ok, it's rather a tie with C&Arsenal)...what am I going to do, I enjoy excellent historical information too! :D
P O R T U G A L ! Vivó Ian!
The "disconnector" in German parlance was called the auto sear, and only functions in full auto fire(kinda functions as an in battery check, but the weapon will function properly semi auto without the auto sear installed). The primary sear (central behind the hammer) catches the hammer in semi auto fire, but is too far rearward with the FA pull of the progressive trigger, leaving the auto sear to drop the hammer when in battery.
Additionally, the portugese contract mg13's have a viewport on the left side of the reciever just forward of the mag well for checking uf the weapon is in battery. Handy feature that the German mg13's did not have.
I love the big slabs of metal it is made from, they are really serious about the 'machine' part of being a machinegun.
Once more Kraut space magic, this time together with Portuguese Bacalhau (which, by the way, tastes very delicious)
Hope Ian can someday find a Mauser Vergueiro bolt action or a FBP smg
If it is indeed the same gun you're referring to, C&Rsenal has a great episode on the Vergueiro. Their episodes are much less frequent but much more in-depth than Forgotten Weapons.
Wow! An MG I never knew existed. What a fascinating design
Mr Mccollum again showed another firearm i have always dreamed of seeing
Also saw this in Youjo Senki
Thank you again Mr Mccollum
my fellow weeb
More on "Portuguese" guns please. 😀
I have one of those mags in the attic!!!!!!!!!! it was one of my grandpa's old mags I didnt even know where the hell did that come from. given that I live in spain this is totally plausible!!
I am actually very impressed with this MG. I like it.
Hey Ian since you're doing Portuguese guns how about making a FBP M48 SMG video? Please....
YES
Hi Ian,
You missed the opportunity here to say: "let me show you its features" since this is exquisitely complex and awesome of a design
Well if it had rubber bands as return springs...
Mr. Sprave is that you?
I've been waiting for an MG13 video, too cool!
According to the 11th revised edition of Small Arms of the World the MG13 was created by converting the Dreyse Model 1918 water-cooled .light machine gun. Work was indeed done by Simson and it was adopted in 1932 in small numbers. A stock of guns was sold to Portugal in 1938 according to SAOTW. Other sources also note some were sold to Spain. According to Wikpedia the gun was used in the PzKpfw I tank. Post-war (seriously) captured examples were modernized and used by the Norwegian police; this assumes it was in use in Norway during WWII.
According to Wikpedia in 1907 Louis Schmeisser of Erfurt patented a machinegun named in
honor of the inventor of the needle gun by the heads of the factory
where it was made which was founded by Dreyse. The Dreyse machinegun was
a heavy, usually tripod mounted, belt-fed and water cooled machinegun.
The 1907 model was succeeded by the 1912 and later 1918 models.
www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/bergmann-dreyse-nd-mg-machine-guns.html
www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/info-adp.html
They were thinking ahead when they added the 2 iPod mounting points. The barrel shroud also acts as a speaker
98% of the comments: *Oh this isn't a gun, this is a toaster machine...*
2% of the comments: wow what a cool video
Simson? That's very very interesting!
My mokick/moped is made by them i didn't know they got an exception to build guns back in 1918/1919
But they went into Cars/Motorcycles during WWII according to wikipedia.
A FMB
I even had Simson 50cc moped once. Model 1958 if I remember right.
A lot of firearms makers also made bicycles and/or motorcycles: BSA, FN, Mauser, Benelli come to mind.
Simson also made hunting rifles in the GDR, iirc.
The terms of the Treaty of Versailles created monopolies on war materiel production. Spandau arsenal was demilitarized. Simson got the rights to make small arms. Dynamit-Nobel at Werk Reinsdorf got the rights to make explosives and propellants, SKD (Selve-Kronbiegel-Dornheim A.-G.) got the rights to make primers, and Polte got the rights to make bullets and cartridge cases.
The Weimar government used contractor codes to cover up how much material they were actually making. The "P-codes" were supposed to be contract numbers for Polte ammunition and the "Rdf. codes" were supposed to be contracts for propellants for Werk Reinsdorf. The later letter codes were an attempt to hide the locations of their foreign suppliers like Sweden and Austria. Hitler's anti-communist government just expanded the Weimar government's covert rearmament programs.
I think that little block that comes down from the lever on the left side of the receiver is to provide a leverage point to separate the upper and lower receivers. It also provides a good stand to hold it open as a secondary function. Great video!!!
I see a lot of similarities with the Bergmann MG 1910/15 like the recoil spring and bolt. The locking system looks very similar to the Dreyse MG.
Ooh, intro-logo is looking sharp! Much nicer than before!
Portugal checking in in full support of our gun Jesus Ian
Greetings from Portugal. Exvelent video.
Hi, I'm Tomás and I'm from Portugal, I'm a gun and I eat in Portugal and it's a beautiful weapon
Does the cyclic rate of fire change when you adjust the spring tension?
yes
Ah, I was going to ask the same thing, thank you.
i assume more spring tension = higher rof while less spring tension = lower rof
It probably would only slightly but id imagine its there if you get over powered or under powered ammunition so you would change it if it had underpowered ammunition an its make it easier for the bolt to travel back.
Awesome to see a Portuguese weapon here, besides to be manufactured in Germany.
Iam Portuguese and a big fan of IAN.
Greetings from Australia, Love it mate
When Ian lifted the upper receiver and at 7:53 said "we get a look at a really interesting feature here", I so wanted him to refer to those markings and say "a third set of sights"
Because Portuguese were busy watching football, they had to ask Germany to make weapons.
I have a weird affinity for interwar German stuff; pretty much starting from the double dated 1920 weapons which the Germans chose to keep after the first war stretching up to the late 30's when they were making their nicest work. I specifically love the SS Battalions outfits and equipment, which had an assortment of out of date but high quality guns like the MP28, MP34, Erma EMP, ZK-383, ZB-26 and 30's, MG-13's, MG-15's, MG-30's, old Lugers, C96's, Berretta 38's and Suomi KP31's etc. Pair that with their really nice leather courtesy of Hugo Boss, BMW motorcycles and with the SS branded helmets+goggles... mwah, perfection. Basically the Gucci version of the German army before everything went to ****.
When you like MG-34, but you also like the PIAT launcher
More like a Panzerbuchse 39 and an MG-34 got over-friendly at the armoury christmas party.
@@voiceofraisin3778 Sounds like a GFL futanari doujin waiting to happen :)
@@ArcturusOTE Hot
This gun, in addition to MANY others of the period, delighted the manufacturers of springs.
It (and all the others) must have 30+ freaking springs (all set to go "poing" across the room).
I think I've said it before on these videos but I'll say it again. Fan-freaking-tastic!. We'd otherwise almost never have the opportunity to see these guns let alone see them taken apart.
Simson.
When I was a kid their mopeds were really popular in my country. Every kid wanted one, mainly because you could easily tweak the carburator to make it go 80 km/h. I had no idea theybeven made guns.
This was the standard machine gun in the Panzer 1 Ausf A. - Germany's first serving interwar tank [notice serving - there were experimental interwar types also]. Panzer 1 were used in both sides of the Spanish Civil War [issued vs captured], so it makes perfect sense that MG-13 were produced for export to Spain among other countries. So, the MG-13 actually had quite a long service life - from at least 1931 to 1941, as it was used extensively in North Africa.
Just theoretically could you remove most of the barrel and stock and make the worlds largest hipfire machine pistol?
I'm not sure the weapon would operate very well due to the lose of recoil. And to be honest, this machine pistol would still weigh 20 pounds.
You can saw down anything with the right attitude
That's...surprisingly modern and ingenious. The ergonomics look quite good too, like a German BAR. Wasn't expecting this from such an odd looking gun.
Ian, please correct the title. It's spelled "Metralhadora".
Thank you for your videos. I'm not into guns, but I love design an engeneering, so I enjoy watching.
O título aparece-lhe traduzido automaticamente pelo google; o vídeo tem o título em inglês.
Man I love this channel so informative
That was quite nice, like a simplified/improved WW1 gun.
It looks totally like an interwar design.
I meant the mechanics.
A side folding stock 😎 love the separate recoilspring engagement and adjustable.
I Love that Little Block.
Very Cool MG-13 light Machine gun Ian an thanks for showing it Sir
I grew up 10 miles away from Sömmerda, but i had no clue there was this gun built. Until now. How funny is that?
lol. At 6:35 I swear he said there are “two iPod mounting points.”
Another informative and interesting video. Thank you Ian.
wowee that's got some cool stuff on the inside. thanks for doing what ya do ian
Air-cooled, fires from a closed bolt, and it hasn't a quick exchange barrel = It's a magazine cook-off waiting to happen.
@@Jargolf86 The Breda 30 was surely slower reloading, had a more open shroud and a ridged barrel to aid cooling and, after the first battles, it was seen that its two spare barrel provision wasn't enought, and it had been increased to four. May be this barrel could resist a little more than that of the BAR (whose overheating was a common occurrence in WWII despite the open bolt that at least avoided the cook-off of an entire magazine), but it could surely overheat.
The Germans sold guns to Portugal because Portugal sold the materials to build the guns
And also because Salazar and Hitler where BFFs.
@@Roy.404. Isso não é verdade amigo!
@@Roy.404. 🤣🤣🤣
@@Eduardo-lw6nd bff
Is true verdade 💪🇵🇹
Add this legally made sewing machine in bfV?
Something something TTK made this an actual sewing machine
That is a very clever looking MG design, especially considering when it was in use.
It looks well made.
The MG 13 was used in the Panzer I as main weaponry.
Very sweet set up. Beautiful.
Man, what a find!!!! I already subscribed your channel. Thanks for the content!!!
Thanks for not doing a flashlight review Ian. I lost count on how many vid uploads I got through deleting that were flashlight reviews. The companies must be pushing them out to reviewers as a marketing ploy.
Ian, the RIA page shows it as a pre86 registration but still FFL dealer sample only. Either their page or the video info could use correcting.
Great video really neat piece of hardware
please note according to RIA description: "LIMITED TO USE AS A SALES SAMPLE (Pre-86) and as such can only be purchased by an FFL, with a Class 2 or Class 3 SOT License."
Safety lever + a 2 setting trigger is a configuration that's prettymuch the counterpart to grip safety + auto/semi selector. I actually prefer the latter, but the former is quite interesting.
EDIT: Can't find any examples of the latter. Thought the OG Uzi did that, but it actually has SF/SA/FA + a grip safety.
Once more I claim Ian must have an encyclopaedic knowledge of weaponry. The man is a genius....
Great video, Ian!
PORTUGAL CRL SOMOS OS MAIORES we are the best
I like those I-pod mounting points, they would prove very useful in WWII.
This gun chambered in 8x56R and with a wooden stock was the primary infantry light machinegun of Hungary during WWII under the designation Solothurn 31M Golyószóró (means LMG, translates literally to bullethose i suppose that is an interesting bit of linguistics)
This thing is slick,lots of nice features
Oh my God I can't believe that there's a portuguese gun on the show! Please try to see more into portuguese military if possible! Love the show btw!!
Rheinmetall-Borsig's Louis Stange, who designed the FG42 looked at an MG13 for inspiration. The front sight post is the same. The side magazine well has a similar bolt hold open, similar magazine catch and sort-of similar dust cover. But the FG42 magazine was not close to the MG13, because the ZB24's is used by one of the modern reproduction companies. There are very few new ideas in gun design, only variations and combinations.
Just saw one of these in the background of a new video and had to see it for myself
Small Arms of the World describes this as a modification of the Dreyse Model 1918, a belt-fed water-coolled gun and cnverted by Simson.