Another verse to consider. Speaking of John the Baptist, Luke 1: 15 says, "...and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb."
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I am so humbled that the God of glory would respect my choice so much. Praise him for allowing my sinful and rebellious nature to be overcome by ……. me. I guess my unsaved family members and friends are not as smart as me. Amen ?
Has nothing to do with intelligence, but rebellion. Therefore the Lord said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from. Isaiah 29:13
If you say that you have put your faith in Christ, then you must've had faith already to put in Christ. That faith was gifted to you by God. John 3:27 A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. God bless
@@jeremiahsummers8054 Show me the verse that says it's up to us. There isn't one. Scripture explicitly teaches salvation is God's business. Did He not make a purchase at the cross? It was a purchase, not a gamble.
@@4_years_left There are many examples.. what do you think faith is, placing one's trust in something. Yes faith in itself like life is something we are given but what we choose to do with it we are held culpable for. This is a long-held Biblical concept in the Old and New Testaments and stood counter-culture to the fatalism the Gnostics and Pagans taught and believed, both in the Old Testament times with Baal and Ishtaar worship and the New Testament times with the Greeks and their belief in the fates. Just cause Augustine followed the Platonism of the man he called great (Origen) doesn't mean it's scriptural, but Calvin himself quotes Augustine in his Institutes of the Christian religion more than scripture. The Augustin/Calvin version of the elect did not exist in Judaism (the elect fell in their wanderings) or the Early Church it was adopted from Manachaeism and Paganism. You can follow it through Chruch History all the way to Calvin and the current teachings (ie James White) of the modern Neo-Calvinists who screw the Bible making themselves the elite chosen priests who despite their own sin claim they are not culpable for their choice to humble themselves and by faith chose to actually follow. Many do, however, despite their own double speak I have never met a truly saved Calvinist who actually follows the Systematic Theology that Calvin himself lays out through his influence of Augustine. They place burdens on people they themselves do not bare or actually live out. Joshua 24:15 "And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Deuteronomy 30:19-20 "I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days." Psalm 119:30 "I have chosen the way of truth; Your judgments I have laid before me." New Testament John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (Implying an individual's choice to believe in Him.) Matthew 16:24 "Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.'" Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."
Ask Abraham who was saved by his faith before the covenant and before the law. Abraham had faith and it was accredited unto him as righteousness. The just shall live by faith.. Zechariah 1:3: "‘Return to Me,’ says the Lord of hosts, ‘and I will return to you.’" Deuteronomy 4:29: "But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul." Malachi 3:7: "Return to Me, and I will return to you," says the Lord of hosts. James 4:8 "Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded"
Jeremiah 1: 4-5: Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." Galatians 1: 15-16: But when He who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son to me, in order that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone. Now, I want all you anti-Calvinists to ponder the meaning and implications of these two passages of scripture.
Paul makes this argument himself in Romans 1, 4, 8, 9, and 11 God's foreknowledge does not remove faith and culpability of the individual. You can easily be cut off just as easily as you are grafted in (Romans 11), it is and always has been by one's faith they are saved (before the Covenant with Abraham, before the law, it was Adam's lack of faith in God that created our fall and Abrham's that counted him as righteous). The ability to have faith is given by God however the ability to use one's faith to put their trust in God is on them (ie faith of a mustard seed). God obviously knows who has faith in Him, however throughout the Old and New Testament He calls ALL to faith and belief in Him as He wishes for no one to perish (even sending Noah to Ninevah). Those who deny are all the more culpable because they knew (Romans 1) and refused to believe. Take some time out to Read Jeremiah 18 and 2 Timothy 4, (in response to your verses) if you don't see Scripture as a whole (it can't be broken) and nitpick out verses like both Augustine and Calvin had a habit of doing, then you can easily prove any position you want, in Calvin's case it was his hatred for the papists or anyone he deemed heretics as he clearly communicates (and even burned heretics at the stake, much like the papists who he admonished). But there's one Spirit and one message from Adam to Revelation, the Testaments are Covenants with man from Adam to the 2nd Adam. Contracts also called Covenants (like the Suzerite Vassal treaty called Deuteronomy) are between two parties, there's no such thing and wasn't in the Ancient Near East as a one way Covenant, there's no purpose for such a thing, with our contract with God through all we have to come to the table with is faith in the contract giver (like Abraham the father of our faith) this is not a work and not a "work" that Paul is talking about in Romans 4 clearly then Abraham wouldn't of been righteous by his faith alone. The "works" that Paul is talking about refer to the works that the pagan deities commanded of their followers. Our God doesn't require anything of us, but our faith/trust in Him, our hearts, our obedience 1 Samuel 15:22 to humbly and contritely obey is an outpouring of faith and trust in the one you are obeying. Like Adam in our disobedience if we don't believe in the one holding the contract and initiating it that He will do what He says we break or are not under said contract and can not be part of the Blood covenant Christ offers us as our perfect intermediary. If we do have faith in the contract giver we show such by following His commands as God says multiple times on the OT and Christ repeats. who do you have faith in the reformed version of a covenant that Calvin through Augustine's theology that is presented.. "did God really say" or God's constant message through His word? To believe and then follow (enter into covenant) Him by being Kingdom people who love their King so they follow His example and commands? All of that constitutes a choice (not a work, but faith) on your end as an individual to place your weight for salvation onto Christ's sacrifice. If you're truly a believer you made that choice to have faith in God through Jesus no matter if you want to believe you had the choice or not (which is silly). You can call yourself a Calvinist and personally, I don't care as long as you know in whom (Christ) you place your faith in. The very fact as a Christian you make the choice to pick up your cross and follow Jesus daily means you actually aren't living out Calvism as it's an impossibility to do such and be actually saved.
“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.” A lot of You's in Ephesians 1:13 strange to focus on the individual if they had no power of will to choose.
@jeremiahsummers8054 we don't and can't do anything on our own, we only are able to "choose" to follow Jesus if we have been predestined by Him to do so. Don't ignore the main sovereignty points Paul is making!
@@4_years_leftpredestination is about the destination. Meaning the destination when you're in Christ is determined first. Not that individuals before the foundation of the world for no apparent reason are indeed predestined. Think of it like an airplane. There's an airplane flying from New York to london. It's predestined to do so. If you're in the airplane then you're going to london. If you're not you're outside of the airplane you're not going to London it's really that simple You must be in christ. Too many times people talk about being in Christ and in Christ and yet at the same time make up all these extra things like what you're doing as if the Bible is not explicitly clear to say repent and believe. Why would God call people everywhere to repent and believe all throughout scripture, if most people were unable to do it? Stick with a text, dead guys are fun to read, but they're off and wrong, just like many guys are today. Just because they're old doesn't mean they're correct.
@@richardthenryvideos "not that individuals before the foundation of the world for no apparent reason are indeed predestined" Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. The Bible makes it pretty clear God did in fact choose who would be saved and who wouldn't from eternity past.
As a Calvinist, what it boils down to is there is no need to evangelize to anyone because evangelism is useless when God has already determined whom will be saved. Also, as a Calvinist, you can give your life to God, but never know whether or not you are truly one of the chosen. That's both sad and scary. And lastly, as a Calvinist, life is bleak when you know that the child you lost stands a good chance of going to Hell.
Evangelism is not useless if God ordains evangelism as the means by which the Gospel is spread. We have a mandate in Matthew 28:19-20. What you are doing in your comment is called "reading providence" which is an activity where you PRESUME to know the mind of God and question His commands to carry out His will. But God ordains the means as well as the ends, which we see over and over, cover to cover in Scripture (e.g. Genesis 50:20). Paul specifically tells us: How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? (Romans 10:14) The logic you deploy to support your statement "there is no need to evangelize to anyone because evangelism is useless when God has already determined whom will be saved" is worldly. It is the objection of unbelieving philosophers. It is a direct contradiction of Scripture. You are arguing against scripture using worldly philosophy. Instead of using the logic and rationality of an unbeliever, you should instead believe the Scriptures. What is interesting about your comment regarding assurance is most Baptist churches embrace assurance and perseverance because of their theologically Reformed history and tradition. You seem to have it completely backwards: it is theology that descends from Pelagianism that teaches a believer cannot have assurance. If this is a Free Will Baptist church, your theological roots are actually in Arminianism, which teaches that a true believer can forfeit their salvation by failing to perform good works. You just don't know what you're talking about on this point. Your comment that children who die in infancy have a "good chance" of going to hell is completely wrong-headed. I am aware of no Reformed confession that says this. The Bible does not address this question directly, but the WCF and LBCF both attest that God is free to save whomever He pleases, whenever He pleases: "Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases" (LBCF 10.3) The problem you seem to have is, once again, you believe you are able to PRESUME to know the mind of God outside the revelation of Scripture. You are using worldly logic, NOT Scripture, to support your statements. The dangerous thing about the video above, and your comments, is you delude yourselves into thinking that you are in an argument with John Calvin or your Reformed viewers/family/friends etc. But your problem is with GOD, not John Calvin. You are playing the part of the objector in Romans 9: You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” (Romans 9:19-20) What you hate is the GOSPEL, not Calvinism. It is the exact same pride and worldly reasoning we find in Nebuchadnezzar, who defied the sovereignty of God by setting up an idol and was made to eat grass like cattle. But he appears to have learned his lesson: for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” (Daniel 4:34-35) There is an important interpretive rule that all those who oppose the Gospel fail to believe.....and this is across the board in my experience. Reformed believers may rightly point you to Ephesians 1 or Romans 9, but I think there is actually a more appropriate verse that those who oppose the Gospel "in the name of God" completely miss: “The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law" (Deuteronomy 29:29) All your objections, and much of what is in the video, utterly fails to distinguish between what is REVEALED and what is HIDDEN. The number and names of the elect are not revealed to us. The mechanics of HOW God brings about His decree is not fully revealed.....though we get some insight particularly in the OT narratives. Synergists have no fear of God and believe, with the objector in Romans 9 and Nebuchadnezzar, that we have a right to question God and His judgements. And we simply do NOT. That is a sin straight from the pit of hell. It checks every Satanic box on the list on the way down. Read the Scriptures, believe and repent. Avoid false teachers who oppose the Gospel of Grace.
TULIP is such a cult. It is so sad. God is LOVE. My Lord and Savior died for ALL, not some predetermined ones before they were even conceived-that’s anything BUT a LOVING GOD.
@@delivefreenana God is also a consuming fire to those who remain under His wrath. I would challenge you to read the Westminster Confession, which delineates the doctrines of "Calvinism", and point out where it is so unorthodox as to be deemed a "cult".
@@delivefreenana You are an excellent humanist. Secularism strongly teaches that man can stand in judgement of God. Not only his abilities (such as making righteous judgements) but also His motives. Any time I hear someone talk about what "their God would do/not do" I always encourage them to abandon their idols and worship the true God. I encourage you to abandon YOUR god and worship the true God of Scripture. Read the Bible, believe and repent so that you will be saved. Your argument is not with me or John Calvin. Your disagreement is with God. I encourage you to stop thinking like an unbeliever and believe the words of Jesus. If you find it impossible to abandon what YOU think God would do or not do, and your humanism simply will not permit you to submit to God as ruler of the universe, then your faith is not in the true God. You believe in the God of your own imagination. "Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47) Secular humanism is satanic. It makes man out to be God. Garbage like you hear in the video above claims that man is free and God is bound. It teaches that salvation comes by good decision-making, which is salvation by works. It teaches that God is subject to the will of man rather than the other way around. It put man at the center of the universe. It teaches that God values our sinful decisions more than the death of his own son. It is a perversion of the Gospel of Grace because it proclaims the will of man as sovereign over the will of God. And none of that is found in scripture. The bible doesn't have ONE good thing to say about man's will, yet in the theology presented above by way of rejection, man's will is the ONLY determinative factor in Justification. This is pagan philosophy at work, not biblical teaching. Yet you somehow believe that what you present is orthodoxy? What you promote here is literally no different than the soteriology of Muslims, Buddhists, or even atheistic satanism. It's all pagan philosophy. I will agree with you on this: from the world's perspective, the Gospel is "cultic." There is no other religion on earch that teaches that salvation is performed by God ALONE, and it is all by GRACE through faith. And even that is given by God. So yes, I agree with you that what you are presented with in Scripture is indeed a "cult" in the sense that Christianity is the only religion where we are saved because of a sacrifice made BY God on behalf of His people. In every other system (including yours) the god demands tribute or obedience in exchange for divine favor. This exact idea is ubiquitous even in atheistic moralism. There is no other message like the Gospel of grace in all of human history.
big church empty seats. Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18). Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to. Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25). Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16). Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).
Calvinism has at the very least muddied the stream of Christianity and at the very worst has poisoned it, I hold to the latter
Another verse to consider. Speaking of John the Baptist, Luke 1: 15 says, "...and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb."
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I am so humbled that the God of glory would respect my choice so much. Praise him for allowing my sinful and rebellious nature to be overcome by ……. me. I guess my unsaved family members and friends are not as smart as me. Amen ?
Has nothing to do with intelligence, but rebellion.
Therefore the Lord said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from. Isaiah 29:13
@@jeremiahsummers8054miss use of the passage buddy.
So… where does Faith come from? Faith comes from hearing the Word of God😊
If you say that you have put your faith in Christ, then you must've had faith already to put in Christ. That faith was gifted to you by God.
John 3:27
A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.
God bless
Dang you beat me to it, as soon as I see videos like these I just wanna remind them to read the Bible 😂
Yes, the system of faith and grace were given to us by God, but what you choose to do with the system of salvation God has laid out is up to you.
@@jeremiahsummers8054 Show me the verse that says it's up to us. There isn't one. Scripture explicitly teaches salvation is God's business. Did He not make a purchase at the cross? It was a purchase, not a gamble.
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There are many examples.. what do you think faith is, placing one's trust in something. Yes faith in itself like life is something we are given but what we choose to do with it we are held culpable for. This is a long-held Biblical concept in the Old and New Testaments and stood counter-culture to the fatalism the Gnostics and Pagans taught and believed, both in the Old Testament times with Baal and Ishtaar worship and the New Testament times with the Greeks and their belief in the fates. Just cause Augustine followed the Platonism of the man he called great (Origen) doesn't mean it's scriptural, but Calvin himself quotes Augustine in his Institutes of the Christian religion more than scripture. The Augustin/Calvin version of the elect did not exist in Judaism (the elect fell in their wanderings) or the Early Church it was adopted from Manachaeism and Paganism. You can follow it through Chruch History all the way to Calvin and the current teachings (ie James White) of the modern Neo-Calvinists who screw the Bible making themselves the elite chosen priests who despite their own sin claim they are not culpable for their choice to humble themselves and by faith chose to actually follow. Many do, however, despite their own double speak I have never met a truly saved Calvinist who actually follows the Systematic Theology that Calvin himself lays out through his influence of Augustine. They place burdens on people they themselves do not bare or actually live out.
Joshua 24:15
"And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days."
Psalm 119:30
"I have chosen the way of truth; Your judgments I have laid before me."
New Testament
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
(Implying an individual's choice to believe in Him.)
Matthew 16:24
"Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.'"
Romans 10:9-10
"That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Revelation 3:20
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."
@@4_years_leftfor ALL means ALL. We must choose Him, accepting His free gift of salvation…
Where did your faith come from to put in Christ?
Faith comes by hearing
Ask Abraham who was saved by his faith before the covenant and before the law. Abraham had faith and it was accredited unto him as righteousness. The just shall live by faith..
Zechariah 1:3:
"‘Return to Me,’ says the Lord of hosts, ‘and I will return to you.’"
Deuteronomy 4:29:
"But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul."
Malachi 3:7:
"Return to Me, and I will return to you," says the Lord of hosts.
James 4:8
"Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded"
For Calvinist ,Regeneration precedes Faith which contradicts the teaching of the Gospel.
I am thankful there are only 10 people to hear this nonsense!
Jeremiah 1: 4-5: Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."
Galatians 1: 15-16: But when He who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son to me, in order that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone.
Now, I want all you anti-Calvinists to ponder the meaning and implications of these two passages of scripture.
Paul makes this argument himself in Romans 1, 4, 8, 9, and 11 God's foreknowledge does not remove faith and culpability of the individual. You can easily be cut off just as easily as you are grafted in (Romans 11), it is and always has been by one's faith they are saved (before the Covenant with Abraham, before the law, it was Adam's lack of faith in God that created our fall and Abrham's that counted him as righteous). The ability to have faith is given by God however the ability to use one's faith to put their trust in God is on them (ie faith of a mustard seed). God obviously knows who has faith in Him, however throughout the Old and New Testament He calls ALL to faith and belief in Him as He wishes for no one to perish (even sending Noah to Ninevah). Those who deny are all the more culpable because they knew (Romans 1) and refused to believe.
Take some time out to Read Jeremiah 18 and 2 Timothy 4, (in response to your verses) if you don't see Scripture as a whole (it can't be broken) and nitpick out verses like both Augustine and Calvin had a habit of doing, then you can easily prove any position you want, in Calvin's case it was his hatred for the papists or anyone he deemed heretics as he clearly communicates (and even burned heretics at the stake, much like the papists who he admonished). But there's one Spirit and one message from Adam to Revelation, the Testaments are Covenants with man from Adam to the 2nd Adam. Contracts also called Covenants (like the Suzerite Vassal treaty called Deuteronomy) are between two parties, there's no such thing and wasn't in the Ancient Near East as a one way Covenant, there's no purpose for such a thing, with our contract with God through all we have to come to the table with is faith in the contract giver (like Abraham the father of our faith) this is not a work and not a "work" that Paul is talking about in Romans 4 clearly then Abraham wouldn't of been righteous by his faith alone. The "works" that Paul is talking about refer to the works that the pagan deities commanded of their followers. Our God doesn't require anything of us, but our faith/trust in Him, our hearts, our obedience 1 Samuel 15:22 to humbly and contritely obey is an outpouring of faith and trust in the one you are obeying. Like Adam in our disobedience if we don't believe in the one holding the contract and initiating it that He will do what He says we break or are not under said contract and can not be part of the Blood covenant Christ offers us as our perfect intermediary. If we do have faith in the contract giver we show such by following His commands as God says multiple times on the OT and Christ repeats.
who do you have faith in the reformed version of a covenant that Calvin through Augustine's theology that is presented.. "did God really say" or God's constant message through His word? To believe and then follow (enter into covenant) Him by being Kingdom people who love their King so they follow His example and commands? All of that constitutes a choice (not a work, but faith) on your end as an individual to place your weight for salvation onto Christ's sacrifice. If you're truly a believer you made that choice to have faith in God through Jesus no matter if you want to believe you had the choice or not (which is silly). You can call yourself a Calvinist and personally, I don't care as long as you know in whom (Christ) you place your faith in. The very fact as a Christian you make the choice to pick up your cross and follow Jesus daily means you actually aren't living out Calvism as it's an impossibility to do such and be actually saved.
spiritually dead would be a more accurate statement of the condition of man. Dead man is non responsive.
election is biblical......man is held responsible is biblical. Both are true.....How does that work, I don't know, but bible teaches both
If you want to continue your errant beliefs, make sure to avoid Ephesians chapter 1! In fact I recommend you rip it out of your Bible entirely.
“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.” A lot of You's in Ephesians 1:13 strange to focus on the individual if they had no power of will to choose.
@jeremiahsummers8054 we don't and can't do anything on our own, we only are able to "choose" to follow Jesus if we have been predestined by Him to do so. Don't ignore the main sovereignty points Paul is making!
@@4_years_left we can if God allows and gives that ability
@@4_years_leftpredestination is about the destination. Meaning the destination when you're in Christ is determined first. Not that individuals before the foundation of the world for no apparent reason are indeed predestined. Think of it like an airplane. There's an airplane flying from New York to london. It's predestined to do so. If you're in the airplane then you're going to london. If you're not you're outside of the airplane you're not going to London it's really that simple
You must be in christ. Too many times people talk about being in Christ and in Christ and yet at the same time make up all these extra things like what you're doing as if the Bible is not explicitly clear to say repent and believe. Why would God call people everywhere to repent and believe all throughout scripture, if most people were unable to do it?
Stick with a text, dead guys are fun to read, but they're off and wrong, just like many guys are today. Just because they're old doesn't mean they're correct.
@@richardthenryvideos "not that individuals before the foundation of the world for no apparent reason are indeed predestined"
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
The Bible makes it pretty clear God did in fact choose who would be saved and who wouldn't from eternity past.
As a Calvinist, what it boils down to is there is no need to evangelize to anyone because evangelism is useless when God has already determined whom will be saved. Also, as a Calvinist, you can give your life to God, but never know whether or not you are truly one of the chosen. That's both sad and scary. And lastly, as a Calvinist, life is bleak when you know that the child you lost stands a good chance of going to Hell.
Evangelism is not useless if God ordains evangelism as the means by which the Gospel is spread. We have a mandate in Matthew 28:19-20. What you are doing in your comment is called "reading providence" which is an activity where you PRESUME to know the mind of God and question His commands to carry out His will. But God ordains the means as well as the ends, which we see over and over, cover to cover in Scripture (e.g. Genesis 50:20). Paul specifically tells us:
How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? (Romans 10:14)
The logic you deploy to support your statement "there is no need to evangelize to anyone because evangelism is useless when God has already determined whom will be saved" is worldly. It is the objection of unbelieving philosophers. It is a direct contradiction of Scripture. You are arguing against scripture using worldly philosophy. Instead of using the logic and rationality of an unbeliever, you should instead believe the Scriptures.
What is interesting about your comment regarding assurance is most Baptist churches embrace assurance and perseverance because of their theologically Reformed history and tradition. You seem to have it completely backwards: it is theology that descends from Pelagianism that teaches a believer cannot have assurance. If this is a Free Will Baptist church, your theological roots are actually in Arminianism, which teaches that a true believer can forfeit their salvation by failing to perform good works. You just don't know what you're talking about on this point.
Your comment that children who die in infancy have a "good chance" of going to hell is completely wrong-headed. I am aware of no Reformed confession that says this. The Bible does not address this question directly, but the WCF and LBCF both attest that God is free to save whomever He pleases, whenever He pleases:
"Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases" (LBCF 10.3)
The problem you seem to have is, once again, you believe you are able to PRESUME to know the mind of God outside the revelation of Scripture. You are using worldly logic, NOT Scripture, to support your statements.
The dangerous thing about the video above, and your comments, is you delude yourselves into thinking that you are in an argument with John Calvin or your Reformed viewers/family/friends etc. But your problem is with GOD, not John Calvin. You are playing the part of the objector in Romans 9:
You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” (Romans 9:19-20)
What you hate is the GOSPEL, not Calvinism.
It is the exact same pride and worldly reasoning we find in Nebuchadnezzar, who defied the sovereignty of God by setting up an idol and was made to eat grass like cattle. But he appears to have learned his lesson:
for his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
and his kingdom endures from generation to generation;
all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,
and he does according to his will among the host of heaven
and among the inhabitants of the earth;
and none can stay his hand
or say to him, “What have you done?” (Daniel 4:34-35)
There is an important interpretive rule that all those who oppose the Gospel fail to believe.....and this is across the board in my experience. Reformed believers may rightly point you to Ephesians 1 or Romans 9, but I think there is actually a more appropriate verse that those who oppose the Gospel "in the name of God" completely miss:
“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law" (Deuteronomy 29:29)
All your objections, and much of what is in the video, utterly fails to distinguish between what is REVEALED and what is HIDDEN. The number and names of the elect are not revealed to us. The mechanics of HOW God brings about His decree is not fully revealed.....though we get some insight particularly in the OT narratives. Synergists have no fear of God and believe, with the objector in Romans 9 and Nebuchadnezzar, that we have a right to question God and His judgements. And we simply do NOT.
That is a sin straight from the pit of hell. It checks every Satanic box on the list on the way down.
Read the Scriptures, believe and repent. Avoid false teachers who oppose the Gospel of Grace.
@@Mmkkii89 same old tired straw men arguments that have been around for centuries.
TULIP is such a cult. It is so sad. God is LOVE. My Lord and Savior died for ALL, not some predetermined ones before they were even conceived-that’s anything BUT a LOVING GOD.
@@delivefreenana God is also a consuming fire to those who remain under His wrath. I would challenge you to read the Westminster Confession, which delineates the doctrines of "Calvinism", and point out where it is so unorthodox as to be deemed a "cult".
@@delivefreenana You are an excellent humanist. Secularism strongly teaches that man can stand in judgement of God. Not only his abilities (such as making righteous judgements) but also His motives.
Any time I hear someone talk about what "their God would do/not do" I always encourage them to abandon their idols and worship the true God.
I encourage you to abandon YOUR god and worship the true God of Scripture. Read the Bible, believe and repent so that you will be saved. Your argument is not with me or John Calvin. Your disagreement is with God. I encourage you to stop thinking like an unbeliever and believe the words of Jesus. If you find it impossible to abandon what YOU think God would do or not do, and your humanism simply will not permit you to submit to God as ruler of the universe, then your faith is not in the true God. You believe in the God of your own imagination.
"Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)
Secular humanism is satanic. It makes man out to be God. Garbage like you hear in the video above claims that man is free and God is bound. It teaches that salvation comes by good decision-making, which is salvation by works. It teaches that God is subject to the will of man rather than the other way around. It put man at the center of the universe. It teaches that God values our sinful decisions more than the death of his own son. It is a perversion of the Gospel of Grace because it proclaims the will of man as sovereign over the will of God.
And none of that is found in scripture. The bible doesn't have ONE good thing to say about man's will, yet in the theology presented above by way of rejection, man's will is the ONLY determinative factor in Justification. This is pagan philosophy at work, not biblical teaching. Yet you somehow believe that what you present is orthodoxy? What you promote here is literally no different than the soteriology of Muslims, Buddhists, or even atheistic satanism. It's all pagan philosophy.
I will agree with you on this: from the world's perspective, the Gospel is "cultic." There is no other religion on earch that teaches that salvation is performed by God ALONE, and it is all by GRACE through faith. And even that is given by God. So yes, I agree with you that what you are presented with in Scripture is indeed a "cult" in the sense that Christianity is the only religion where we are saved because of a sacrifice made BY God on behalf of His people. In every other system (including yours) the god demands tribute or obedience in exchange for divine favor. This exact idea is ubiquitous even in atheistic moralism. There is no other message like the Gospel of grace in all of human history.
Thought that you might actually try to make a biblical argument. This is an embarrassment. God is sovereign. Salvation belongs to the Lord.
May you develop just a little EQ as you meander along.
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Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to.
Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25).
Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16).
Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).