On the bad side: we lost a raid and the compensation could have been better On the good side: this incident gave Ivan the most attention he ever had since his release thanks to the memes and comics about his raid
well tbh and to be fair i'm sure most player will use the sq for stamina unless they don't plan to do raid at all.. and putting it that way.. will 10 GA/sq is enough of a compensation will u be able to do more than 10 run on ivan before he is gone? that's more in line to what grinder usually think.. because many are farming sq.. so just a small spending will net you an extra 30 sq from bond 11+ is worth it tbh.. especially if ur kind of running on low.. and material wise.. this sq comes out on the last raid which is to be honest the perfect moment for it to drop.. i'm sure so many people still need bell and dream powder even now and for the op servant to come
@@kayyam9959what? Who the hell do you know that's constantly popping rainbow apples? Almost anyone who's been playing for a while is swimming in golds even after the Xmas lotto.
@@sr71silver who the hell do you know u said? at least u made it clear enough that u don't know anyone who did that.. ah sorry our level is different i guess.. my bad.. well jokes aside.. why don't u read why i said properly before u type? speaking of golds right now i'm in 1,5B and i don't think it's enough i mean my grind is only weak sht as compared to others and i'm already out of rainbow apple.. it's a far better efficient place to farm new mats+gold here rather than spending your sq on gacha in case if you already have the bond ce.. and many ppl tend to skip lotto for raid this is NA people priviledge where they already know what's happening since in jp they did it first.. and i don't mean to denounce you.. old timers like me who got 40-50 ssr and only need tons of lores and possibly cap all the servants do need all those gold.. but hey every player play for diff reason so go at your pace.. but just because you didn't do anything/ have a diff thinking.. doesn't mean yours are the most efficient way since putting it bluntly our acc situation is diff
@@kayyam9959 ok? I'm legitimately not trying to be rude here but is English your second language? Because a lot of that didn't make sense. My level is 158. I have 263 of the 330 servants currently in NA. I can very easily and consistently 3 turn farm the 90++ Koyanskaya raid. And I've been playing for roughly 5 years. Not sure why any of that matters except to flex on someone but you brought it up. The reason I was asking who you know that needs to, or choose to, spend SQ on AP refills is because if you're logging in daily then you should have a huge number of golden apples. I farmed over 14000 lotto currency in this year's Xmas and I still had a bit over 80 golds when this event started. Not to mention a handful of silvers and hundreds of bronze. I just can't see very many people being so hard up for AP that they'd choose to spend SQ on anything other that gatcha pulls.
@@sr71silver too subjective "if you're logging in daily then you should have a huge number of golden apples" that applies only if you don't play much and just log everyday and do natural AP... and with the recent lotto+raid its normal that people are running out of GA unless they don't play.. even hundreds of them.. so what else u wanna say? and i'm not being wrong in what i'm saying.. it depends on your acc situation.. if u consider it an insult than my bad since i'm partially joking but to be honest.. i don't consider 263/330 alot and u play for 5 years and ur still 158 i'll consider u are not that active in the last years when they update open 151-160.. anyway that shows ur not grinding alot.. fyi i'm 160/160 for sometime already.. if you don't believe me u can add me if you want.. so it's not a matter of flexing but it's a matter of efficiency.. many ppl think that 10 sq coming out on this raid is a better efficient way for lasengle as compared to just a short IVAN run since ivan has low hp and the raid might over soon.. that's even considering if they can log on that specific time.. as exception to the long raid we got last.. and again subjective on ur part " I just can't see very many people being so hard up for AP that they'd choose to spend SQ on anything other that gatcha pulls" u can't see doesn't mean that is the universal truth.. ok? but well i can at least agree.. unless it's on raids like this i won't also spent rainbow apples.. simply because.. in this raid u waste SQ to get SQ and you get many more.. got it?
Let's be honest here, this statement makes no sense. Ivan's raid was supposed to stay active until it reached 4M kills, which means that it would have barely lasted for 2 hours given how many people were waiting to farm it. Unless you are a leviathan who was planning to farm nonstop all the raids of this event for all their duration you can easily add the apples you were planning to use to farm that raid to the ones for Beast IV's raid (which needs 30M kills). The only thing we lost are the materials, with Proofs being likely the only one people were really interested in farming, which is not a big loss anyway since both next year lotteries will have them as box reward
@@lorenzovismara9385 I am f2p and I got 10 quartz or more off of bond leveling from Surtr and wave 3 each; the time difference on Melusine alone will probably cost me hitting another bond level threshold so there is another 30 quartz I do not get to roll for more of her. There are loads of Servants whose skills demand proofs that I do not have to level, so now my qp is maxed out and going to waste. So, no, you can shove your presumptuous 'honesty'.
I completely agree about how the compensation for the raid screw up is insufficient, but on the plus side we got some great memes out of the ordeal so I suppose it wasn't a total loss. I think one of the other times something similar happened that required compensation, they gave out 30 SQ, or so I've heard.
It was like a year or two ago where one of the summons was bugged with lower rates than usual so everyone who rolled on it got all their quartz back and kept everything they got + i think they gave everyone more? it was a while ago but it was a good compensation compared to this
Ngl, I didn't do th3 raids so this doesn't affect me really. However I was keeping up with the community and lasangle the whole time and I could tell the second they said they're giving 10 sq, people were gonna be MAD. And understandably so, even if it was just one raid, for some people the ivan raid was the most important one and not having it at all is a big slap in the face. At the very least they should have revived him or something. 10 sq is worse than some of the joke rewards I was hearing people say they'd give
"Only" invested 1M+ FP on FP gacha, without day 1 raid I got: 2x bond 10 1x bond 13 2x bond 11 Plus, I'm a close to 2 more bond 11 and doing good progress for future bond benchmarks. I'm overfarming Koyan to make up for day 1 cucking, still missing my proof of hero and even without spending any real SQ, those dreadful FP gacha rates are STUPID, and spending 1M + to pull 4 of them and losing on a raid feels pretty bad. Lasengle has gotta be the greediest goblins in all of gaming history, the sq rates suck, the fp rates suck, the pity sucks, they make amateur mistakes and don't properly compensate players for it, they took almost a day to reply to an error and even longer to decide on the course of action. From this description no one would've guessed they're the top earning mobile game.
Well i was either just expecting apples or just a twit apologizing, considering how greedy this people are 10 quartz was a surprise, now was it worth it no, if it was me i would at least give 30 quartz, 100 of the ítems that Ivan was ment to drop, 10 apples and maybe one copy of each of the gatcha CEs, also besides the Ivan not working, the other raids we're kill SO fast that people in other timezones didnt get a chance to farm, so for me and many others up until today it had been a dead week.
Always remember that this is all you're worth to this company. Not even half a multi, not even four full rolls-- just three singles and a turd. That is all your frustration is worth. Remember that every time the addiction they gave you makes you feel like wasting money on them.
I agree it was not sufficient considering how bad the rates are on normal farms and we lost an entire raid. this is as bad as the broken item issue where for over a week the game was unplayable and they are like here is 10 dragon stones which is equivalent to 5 SQ.
Merry Christmas Sune! Also, at the very least I expected they gave us 30 SQ with additional 10 Bond Teapots for farming during this event as compensation. I also expect that they tag on the Ivan raid at the end of the event. It isn't acceptable that because of their mistake we dont get what was advertised in the event, full stop.
I agree with some of your points. But l don’t think the “rolled CEs just for Ivan” holds up especially when Ivan was only gonna be up for a short time. There is an ongoing raid now where people can get more bond for a longer period of time. We also had the kin raids and Surtr. I do think that everyone should have gotten a good number of Ivan’s mats as compensation but I will not complain about we got.
@@BLINKZeroIllfatedTheFaker it is a waste yes, but if you have good supports you can try to take an AoE dps from the Friend List and use it to try to farm the raid. I suggest Ibuki or Melusine
The CE complaint doesn't really hold, since it's not like all 4 raids were cancelled. Arguably only the last one was worth farming because of LB6 bells anyways. Regarding proof of hero stuff: SQ can be used as a gold apple, which is roughly 140 AP (depending on your level) the wiki says that 19 AP is average drop rate for the mat, so a quick estimation says that 10 SQ can be translated to 73 mats in this case. You only need 30 for Koyan Dark. --- I'd agree that I would like to see a better compensation, however I feel the game was always stingy with this stuff.
I don’t understand why people are pretending the Ivan Raid was what they were preparing for. It had less HP than Surtr and would have been gone in a hour or less. People are just taking advantage of the situation to justify their errant Saint Quartz spending on a lackluster banner. The opportunity lost for the smallest raid is but small chicken.
Pretty much, at least on youtube it's just a bunch of commenters that want to feel correct of justified, not make any actual input like Plushie said in a VOD
It's not like you people will get any decent amount of run from Ivan's raid. The best node has always been the last one. I'd take 10 SQ over subpar materials any day
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On the bad side: we lost a raid and the compensation could have been better
On the good side: this incident gave Ivan the most attention he ever had since his release thanks to the memes and comics about his raid
well tbh and to be fair i'm sure most player will use the sq for stamina unless they don't plan to do raid at all.. and putting it that way.. will 10 GA/sq is enough of a compensation will u be able to do more than 10 run on ivan before he is gone? that's more in line to what grinder usually think.. because many are farming sq.. so just a small spending will net you an extra 30 sq from bond 11+ is worth it tbh.. especially if ur kind of running on low.. and material wise.. this sq comes out on the last raid which is to be honest the perfect moment for it to drop.. i'm sure so many people still need bell and dream powder even now and for the op servant to come
@@kayyam9959what? Who the hell do you know that's constantly popping rainbow apples? Almost anyone who's been playing for a while is swimming in golds even after the Xmas lotto.
@@sr71silver who the hell do you know u said? at least u made it clear enough that u don't know anyone who did that.. ah sorry our level is different i guess.. my bad.. well jokes aside.. why don't u read why i said properly before u type? speaking of golds right now i'm in 1,5B and i don't think it's enough i mean my grind is only weak sht as compared to others and i'm already out of rainbow apple.. it's a far better efficient place to farm new mats+gold here rather than spending your sq on gacha in case if you already have the bond ce.. and many ppl tend to skip lotto for raid this is NA people priviledge where they already know what's happening since in jp they did it first.. and i don't mean to denounce you.. old timers like me who got 40-50 ssr and only need tons of lores and possibly cap all the servants do need all those gold.. but hey every player play for diff reason so go at your pace.. but just because you didn't do anything/ have a diff thinking.. doesn't mean yours are the most efficient way since putting it bluntly our acc situation is diff
@@kayyam9959 ok? I'm legitimately not trying to be rude here but is English your second language? Because a lot of that didn't make sense. My level is 158. I have 263 of the 330 servants currently in NA. I can very easily and consistently 3 turn farm the 90++ Koyanskaya raid. And I've been playing for roughly 5 years. Not sure why any of that matters except to flex on someone but you brought it up.
The reason I was asking who you know that needs to, or choose to, spend SQ on AP refills is because if you're logging in daily then you should have a huge number of golden apples. I farmed over 14000 lotto currency in this year's Xmas and I still had a bit over 80 golds when this event started. Not to mention a handful of silvers and hundreds of bronze. I just can't see very many people being so hard up for AP that they'd choose to spend SQ on anything other that gatcha pulls.
@@sr71silver too subjective "if you're logging in daily then you should have a huge number of golden apples" that applies only if you don't play much and just log everyday and do natural AP... and with the recent lotto+raid its normal that people are running out of GA unless they don't play.. even hundreds of them.. so what else u wanna say? and i'm not being wrong in what i'm saying.. it depends on your acc situation.. if u consider it an insult than my bad since i'm partially joking but to be honest.. i don't consider 263/330 alot and u play for 5 years and ur still 158 i'll consider u are not that active in the last years when they update open 151-160.. anyway that shows ur not grinding alot.. fyi i'm 160/160 for sometime already.. if you don't believe me u can add me if you want.. so it's not a matter of flexing but it's a matter of efficiency.. many ppl think that 10 sq coming out on this raid is a better efficient way for lasengle as compared to just a short IVAN run since ivan has low hp and the raid might over soon.. that's even considering if they can log on that specific time.. as exception to the long raid we got last.. and again subjective on ur part " I just can't see very many people being so hard up for AP that they'd choose to spend SQ on anything other that gatcha pulls" u can't see doesn't mean that is the universal truth.. ok? but well i can at least agree.. unless it's on raids like this i won't also spent rainbow apples.. simply because.. in this raid u waste SQ to get SQ and you get many more.. got it?
It took them 4 days to give us 10 SQ for leaving a full day with no content.
i wasn't going to farm ivan anyways so nothing really changed for me but free quartz
I might have gotten >10 quartz off leveling bonds from that raid alone, and this is with but three of the 3* CEs.
Let's be honest here, this statement makes no sense. Ivan's raid was supposed to stay active until it reached 4M kills, which means that it would have barely lasted for 2 hours given how many people were waiting to farm it. Unless you are a leviathan who was planning to farm nonstop all the raids of this event for all their duration you can easily add the apples you were planning to use to farm that raid to the ones for Beast IV's raid (which needs 30M kills).
The only thing we lost are the materials, with Proofs being likely the only one people were really interested in farming, which is not a big loss anyway since both next year lotteries will have them as box reward
@@lorenzovismara9385 I am f2p and I got 10 quartz or more off of bond leveling from Surtr and wave 3 each; the time difference on Melusine alone will probably cost me hitting another bond level threshold so there is another 30 quartz I do not get to roll for more of her. There are loads of Servants whose skills demand proofs that I do not have to level, so now my qp is maxed out and going to waste. So, no, you can shove your presumptuous 'honesty'.
I completely agree about how the compensation for the raid screw up is insufficient, but on the plus side we got some great memes out of the ordeal so I suppose it wasn't a total loss.
I think one of the other times something similar happened that required compensation, they gave out 30 SQ, or so I've heard.
It was like a year or two ago where one of the summons was bugged with lower rates than usual so everyone who rolled on it got all their quartz back and kept everything they got + i think they gave everyone more? it was a while ago but it was a good compensation compared to this
Imagine thinking memes are compensation for the people who spent real money on rolling gacha CEs to bond farm and didn’t get to
10 SQ is ridiculous
LOL if you rolled specifically for those ces you deserve it, they such a scammy and scummy move to hide power and bond behind quartz
Ngl, I didn't do th3 raids so this doesn't affect me really. However I was keeping up with the community and lasangle the whole time and I could tell the second they said they're giving 10 sq, people were gonna be MAD. And understandably so, even if it was just one raid, for some people the ivan raid was the most important one and not having it at all is a big slap in the face. At the very least they should have revived him or something. 10 sq is worse than some of the joke rewards I was hearing people say they'd give
"Only" invested 1M+ FP on FP gacha, without day 1 raid I got:
2x bond 10
1x bond 13
2x bond 11
Plus, I'm a close to 2 more bond 11 and doing good progress for future bond benchmarks.
I'm overfarming Koyan to make up for day 1 cucking, still missing my proof of hero and even without spending any real SQ, those dreadful FP gacha rates are STUPID, and spending 1M + to pull 4 of them and losing on a raid feels pretty bad.
Lasengle has gotta be the greediest goblins in all of gaming history, the sq rates suck, the fp rates suck, the pity sucks, they make amateur mistakes and don't properly compensate players for it, they took almost a day to reply to an error and even longer to decide on the course of action.
From this description no one would've guessed they're the top earning mobile game.
Merry (late) Christmas Sune!
Well i was either just expecting apples or just a twit apologizing, considering how greedy this people are 10 quartz was a surprise, now was it worth it no, if it was me i would at least give 30 quartz, 100 of the ítems that Ivan was ment to drop, 10 apples and maybe one copy of each of the gatcha CEs, also besides the Ivan not working, the other raids we're kill SO fast that people in other timezones didnt get a chance to farm, so for me and many others up until today it had been a dead week.
Always remember that this is all you're worth to this company. Not even half a multi, not even four full rolls-- just three singles and a turd. That is all your frustration is worth. Remember that every time the addiction they gave you makes you feel like wasting money on them.
Imagine being addicted to gacha games. I've spent quite a bit of time on the game but I can't imagine spending money on it
@@riv7797 Yeah. It's even easier to not give them money now more than ever.
I agree it was not sufficient considering how bad the rates are on normal farms and we lost an entire raid. this is as bad as the broken item issue where for over a week the game was unplayable and they are like here is 10 dragon stones which is equivalent to 5 SQ.
Merry Christmas Sune! Also, at the very least I expected they gave us 30 SQ with additional 10 Bond Teapots for farming during this event as compensation. I also expect that they tag on the Ivan raid at the end of the event. It isn't acceptable that because of their mistake we dont get what was advertised in the event, full stop.
Merry late Christmas SunDunes. Hope you are having a great time.
They need to rerun the raid on New Year's Eve. That would fix matters.
Not even a multi
I agree with some of your points. But l don’t think the “rolled CEs just for Ivan” holds up especially when Ivan was only gonna be up for a short time. There is an ongoing raid now where people can get more bond for a longer period of time. We also had the kin raids and Surtr.
I do think that everyone should have gotten a good number of Ivan’s mats as compensation but I will not complain about we got.
@@BLINKZeroIllfatedTheFaker it is a waste yes, but if you have good supports you can try to take an AoE dps from the Friend List and use it to try to farm the raid. I suggest Ibuki or Melusine
@@BLINKZeroIllfatedTheFaker you don’t have any other support or half support? What are your AoE dps anyway?
@@BLINKZeroIllfatedTheFaker if you have Castoria and Merlin you should be able to do it with a Ibuki taken from the support list
@@BLINKZeroIllfatedTheFakeryou’re welcome. I’m sure that for the rerun you’ll have a more solid team
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Honestly losing one outlet for Bond farming and in return for memes and 10sq feels inadequate. Especially with the memes being Lobotomy kaisen based
To fair though, it was christmas. They might be on vacation. Cut them somne slack on the response time.
10 sq is too little, they should give us at least 30 or 100, a lot of people spend quite a lot of quarzt
The CE complaint doesn't really hold, since it's not like all 4 raids were cancelled. Arguably only the last one was worth farming because of LB6 bells anyways.
Regarding proof of hero stuff: SQ can be used as a gold apple, which is roughly 140 AP (depending on your level)
the wiki says that 19 AP is average drop rate for the mat, so a quick estimation says that 10 SQ can be translated to 73 mats in this case. You only need 30 for Koyan Dark.
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I'd agree that I would like to see a better compensation, however I feel the game was always stingy with this stuff.
ok I may not be able to play the raid but I did pull so I want more than 10 XDDD
Look man, it’s better than a rider gem so honestly I’ll take it lmao
I don’t understand why people are pretending the Ivan Raid was what they were preparing for. It had less HP than Surtr and would have been gone in a hour or less.
People are just taking advantage of the situation to justify their errant Saint Quartz spending on a lackluster banner. The opportunity lost for the smallest raid is but small chicken.
Thank you
Pretty much, at least on youtube it's just a bunch of commenters that want to feel correct of justified, not make any actual input like Plushie said in a VOD
It's not like you people will get any decent amount of run from Ivan's raid. The best node has always been the last one. I'd take 10 SQ over subpar materials any day
I presume you would take the SQ since you clearly enjoy being ripped off.
This is a lot of whining over a nothing event that no one will remember in a month's time.