2 Thessalonians 003 - Answering Posttribulationalism. 2 Thess. 1:5-7. Dr. Andy Woods. 7-30-23.

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  • @TyMan922
    @TyMan922 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dr. Woods. Thank you. I needed this so badly. I need the reminders of of the purpose of suffering and how God uses it and that He knows what He's doing. The Joseph illustration was very helpful. I don't have a church right now so I use your messages to supplement for the time being and they are life changing. So substantive that sometimes I need to watch multiple times. I always love how many layers there are within. All glory to God for using you the way He does.

  • @lindatrauthwein3760
    @lindatrauthwein3760 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I love when we have new Andy woods study

  • @lizziegillings5380
    @lizziegillings5380 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Absolutely brilliant brilliant teaching bless you Andy Woods ❤

  • @havenofear7033
    @havenofear7033 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I always share these teachings with others online. God really uses this church to encourage me beyond what I get from my local assembly.

    • @patedwards8844
      @patedwards8844 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sometimes I feel like I'm sitting in a seminary class under Dr Woods 😮😊

    • @joycebegnaud9645
      @joycebegnaud9645 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m learning lots and I just started 🥰

  • @jimkraft9445
    @jimkraft9445 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Amen Brother. When the rapture happens, we go to meet the Lord in the clouds. He does not come back to earth until the end of the tribulation. The second coming is at the end of the tribulation. First Corinthians 15:51-53. First Thessalonians 4:13-18. We are to comfort one another with these words. Not much comfort to believe we are going through the worst time on the earth in history. The time of Jacobs trouble.
    When you put the church in the tribulation, we have a problem. When you put the tribulation saints in the church we also have a problem. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13-14. The tribulation saints have to keep the faith and not take the mark of the beast to be saved.
    We have eternal life now. Colossians 3:3. We are dead, and our life is hidden in Christ in God. Colossians 2:13. Romans 4:5-8. Romans 3:26-28. There will be no boasting in heaven. Matthew 7:21-23.
    John 6:40 and John 6:29. Romans 3:26-28. The GIFT of God is eternal life. Cannot be earned or worked for. Romans 6:23. Paid in full. John 3:18.

    • @mariatorok364
      @mariatorok364 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      God bless, you’re perfectly right , well said , like Amir is saying if you think different then you have to cut some pages from the Bible becouse is doesn’t fit
      Maranatha!!!

    • @Landis_Grant
      @Landis_Grant ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DonasavedbygraceAre you saying that faithful Christians will be raptured before the Tribulation Period while carnal backslidden believers will have to go through the entire Tribulation Period? That used to be Perry Stone’s viewpoint.

    • @mariatorok364
      @mariatorok364 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Landis_Grant whoever believes and is saved will be taken in the rapture and on the clouds it will be the rewards judgment, some will be saved but no rewords and others will have crowns on their heads, there’s only one rapture before the tribulation for the church !

    • @mariatorok364
      @mariatorok364 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Donasavedbygrace I’m not sure what you understand but Amir is preaching the pretrib, I listened to his messages all the time and I know what his saying, don’t confuse him when his preaching to Jews, for the Jewish nation it’s deferent than the church ,I’m going to listen to his teachings about the 10 virgins and see !

    • @Landis_Grant
      @Landis_Grant ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mariatorok364 You contradicted yourself in your post.

  • @scbache5410
    @scbache5410 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    You are an amazing teacher. Thank you. Maranatha

  • @mrdandrea
    @mrdandrea ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is one of the most exciting book series yet;
    The progressive revelation of Scripture, that the New Testament must harmonize with the Old, therefore, we are Ambassadors & not attempting regime change; but demonstrating our faith through our positive outlook in many afflictions; until ultimately the Millennial Kingdom materializes!

  • @phylliscrawford2525
    @phylliscrawford2525 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love listening to your teaching. God bless

  • @pamelaalphonso6292
    @pamelaalphonso6292 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I really needed to hear these things today Pastor Andy! He's sooo good, blessings! xo

  • @abc-nk1jk
    @abc-nk1jk ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you

  • @liv9534
    @liv9534 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you Pastor Andy....
    Timely Anointed comforted & blessed.

  • @sandraresides9063
    @sandraresides9063 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks!

  • @lesleyreid3328
    @lesleyreid3328 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks Andy Woods
    For the depth of scripture
    Grew up in the kingdom now garbage
    Guess I’m in the ghetto portion 😄

  • @caroliner2029
    @caroliner2029 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very interesting as usual, Dr Woods. Thank you.
    I hadn't considered those aspects of the longing for vindication before, so I appreciate your insights.
    There's sure to be heightened emotion at the Great White Throne Judgement, as we listen to the Ancient of Days settling all of our cases for us.🇦🇺

  • @StephenSulyok
    @StephenSulyok ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🙏🏻

  • @bobw4941
    @bobw4941 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am a bit confused by the phrase “secret rapture”. By this do you mean those left behind will not witness the actual vanishing?

    • @mariatorok364
      @mariatorok364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Secret rapture means they will not see people flying into the sky and most of the people don’t know anything about rapture, they will be just confused what happened with so many people suddenly and as I understand all the kids will be taken , can you imagine a world without kids?
      I guess that’s why it’s called secret becouse we’re going up and the left behind won’t see anything, the second coming will be different because Jesus will come on earth and everyone will see Him !

    • @DP-ih6nt
      @DP-ih6nt ปีที่แล้ว

      But the very next moment, after we’re gone…..it won’t be a secret anymore. 😉

  • @ShamelesslyRed
    @ShamelesslyRed 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, all the souls in heaven were killed. Does this speak of pre-tribulation rapture?

  • @lindatrauthwein3760
    @lindatrauthwein3760 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have sound now

  • @ShamelesslyRed
    @ShamelesslyRed 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The closer we get to unraveling prophecy, then we will see better. Right now, everyone in the rapture camps are simply guessing.

  • @bevyoung2009
    @bevyoung2009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No sound

  • @pretribtruth
    @pretribtruth ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    Paul reminded them that he had told them why the return of Jesus hadn't happened yet so they had not missed it. He told them Let no man deceive you by any means for that day (return of Jesus) will not come until there is a falling away "and" the man of sin revealed.
    Remember I told you these things and now you know what withholds; that it is revealed in his day. So basically Paul said the man of sin has to be revealed first. What withholdeth is that he might be revealed in his time.
    2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    The mystery of iniquity was already at work and then after that wicked is revealed the Lord destroys him with the brightness of His coming. When does that happen?
    Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    The battle of Armageddon is where we see Jesus return as a thief. That is also when He destroys the AC with the brightness of His coming. Paul reminded them that the reason the return of Christ is being withheld is that the time for the revealing of the man of sin had not yet arrived.
    Peace,
    PTT

    • @gingerty9628
      @gingerty9628 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      2:3 is the verse that I always come back to in question. Except there come a falling away first AND that man of sin revealed.

    • @pretribtruth
      @pretribtruth ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gingerty9628
      Yes and the first two verses clearly speak of the return of Christ and our gathering to Him.
      Peace,
      PTT

    • @salinwa7105
      @salinwa7105 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gingerty9628I have wondered that also . It pretty clearly states that it won’t happen until the lawless one is revealed. I’ve not heard any pretrib teachers address the word “and” here.

    • @inahsong7555
      @inahsong7555 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gingerty9628 May God show you the truth, dont trust man but trust the Word of God. I mean this in all sincerity

    • @gingerty9628
      @gingerty9628 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inahsong7555 I don't trust man.

  • @gnc1962
    @gnc1962 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL, a mansion to a dwelling place... a few more Bible translations and they will have us living in a tar paper shack.

    • @mariatorok364
      @mariatorok364 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also asked myself why do we need a house in the first place with our transformed body we’re not going to need a house , I don’t think we will need a bedroom to sleep in or a kitchen to eat , yes it is true it says there will be mansions I wonder what we’re going to do with them 🤷‍♀️
      Jesus says in my father house I’m going to prepare a place for you, what kind of place, we will see when we get there .

    • @DP-ih6nt
      @DP-ih6nt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mariatorok364
      Jesus ate after He rose from the grave.
      And since eternity is going to be on a new earth, why wouldn’t we have dwelling places??

    • @mariatorok364
      @mariatorok364 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DP-ih6nt true for eternity on a new earth we will have a place to stay but it’s not the place Jesus had prepared for us, it’s the new Jerusalem it will be like a enormous building with lots of apartments,some people say it will be like half of the earth at that time ,in my last comment I said why we would need mansions or houses in heaven because ours bodies will be changed, no need to eat , to sleep and other things, I was just saying but of course I believe we will have some kind of place,I can hardly wait for that time
      Maranatha come Jesus !!!
      Be blessed 🙏