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  • @lacrossestick132
    @lacrossestick132 ปีที่แล้ว +5170

    It’s nice that the fandom is more chill now than it was in the spring. It sucks that Welcome Home lost some of its fans and some of the traction it had, but it’s good that the people who stuck around are much more chill. The fandom vibes have gotten so much less chaotic and toxic.

    • @ezraprisc
      @ezraprisc ปีที่แล้ว +589

      I think they moved on to Amazing Digital Circus now

    • @RadioNyxx
      @RadioNyxx ปีที่แล้ว +115

      @@ezraprisclikely

    • @lacrossestick132
      @lacrossestick132 ปีที่แล้ว +137

      @@ezrapriscThat’s why I’m staying far away from ADC lol

    • @SuperCommando567
      @SuperCommando567 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      @@ezrapriscLike animals, they will find food, but find even bigger pile of food.

    • @oliviastevens9156
      @oliviastevens9156 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      So, what happened that shrunk the fandom?

  • @redwinderbelt461
    @redwinderbelt461 ปีที่แล้ว +3306

    Hey Matpat!
    I wanted to draw some attention to some info about the apple situation. There’s some old information (that the canon state of is up in the air) that Wally eats things through his eyes! He canonically greatly enjoys apples and I believe that the darkening of the screen may be him blinking to bite! Thank you for continuing to look at this!

    • @TheSemajshadow
      @TheSemajshadow ปีที่แล้ว +52

      A lot of gif out there of it and I love it

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      That's what I think too because we've seen Wally eat till now if that was him. But this also begs the question of if the others know this is how Wally eats. Because if they do then Barnaby's line wouldn't make sense unless he was just teasing.

    • @ellespoonies
      @ellespoonies ปีที่แล้ว +112

      Yes! And with the captions not being neutral, remember that everything is being given by the Welcome Home Restoration Society! THEY’RE the captions!

    • @sabertoothno34
      @sabertoothno34 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@Songal18 they probably don't, or the bite is different depending on who's in control of wally's body.

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sabertoothno34 Yeah.

  • @AshtonAnnOfficial
    @AshtonAnnOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +426

    Wally feels like the friend of the group that just zones out and dissociates a bunch and I feel so seen!

    • @DinoandGalaxy
      @DinoandGalaxy ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Fr like I’ll just listen to music half listening to their conversation. One second I’ll be listening to music zoning out and they are chatting about math two seconds later I hear “I eat children” and I just question everything 💀

    • @Jyster370
      @Jyster370 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      The true reality is just Wally dissociating and zoning out when everyone is talking. Poor sod just spaces out.
      Relatable

  • @gabbinvisible
    @gabbinvisible ปีที่แล้ว +302

    I think it's note worthy that during the bug conversation Eddie first says "Frank" and then corrects himself and says "Mr Frankly"

    • @SL33PY_Gacha
      @SL33PY_Gacha ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Yes I also thought this was weird and should be called out!

    • @purrpletiger2159
      @purrpletiger2159 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      I think it's just that Eddie is trying to stay professional but gets comfortable to use a first name for Frank
      Yknow since the creator draws them kissing all the time on tumblr lol. they're boyfriends your honor, I doubt a stuttered name goes deeper than that

    • @stormstudios8226
      @stormstudios8226 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      I also want to add is that if you listen to Franks tone of voice with Eddie, it's diffrent then with the others. AS so far we really only ever heard him use a strict or upset tone with them. Eddie is the only one I beileve we've heard him use a playful/loving tone with.

    • @smillajohansson8096
      @smillajohansson8096 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@purrpletiger2159I believe even husbands

  • @LunaWitcherArt
    @LunaWitcherArt ปีที่แล้ว +1226

    I really like Clown's approach to puzzles. They are like baby's first ARG and are a great way to introduce people to this type of media! Unfortunately our brains have been so rotten by FNAF and such that we overcomplicate the puzzles

    • @sirthanksalot97
      @sirthanksalot97 ปีที่แล้ว +186

      Overcomplicating indeed, I'd point to Mat immediately going "what other kid, who could this other kid be" when Barnaby addresses Wally as "kid" all the time.

    • @babulbi
      @babulbi ปีที่แล้ว +66

      It's so straight forward that it has people looking way too deep out of habit.

    • @LunaWitcherArt
      @LunaWitcherArt ปีที่แล้ว +57

      @@babulbi Clown even tried to account for it once, remember? The puzzle where the first letter of each answer to the quiz was the password? The hint not was like "no l33t speak, no capitalization, no special characters, maybe it has to do with the quizz" and MatPat was legit mad about how simple it ended up being lol

    • @Yami-mugoni613
      @Yami-mugoni613 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not quite sure why they thought that it would be straight after the brain melting popular inscription arg

    • @kaleidoscopekayley
      @kaleidoscopekayley ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I really appreciate that Clown makes the puzzles simple enough for the average viewer. You still have to work for the answers sometimes, but you don't need specialized knowledge to complete them.

  • @Gyrhoe
    @Gyrhoe ปีที่แล้ว +300

    31:24 a thing I noticed with the way Frank interacts with Wally at that moment feels kinda... defiant? Like he says "they're like you or me" and then calls on Wally. If we follow on "Frank is a guy in a disguise", is he calling on Wally like "You are in a disguise too, aren't you?"

    • @ILoveAnimeIMOtaku
      @ILoveAnimeIMOtaku 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      smart suggestion😮sounds right

  • @justgracetbh
    @justgracetbh ปีที่แล้ว +627

    I have 3 theories I'd care to share:
    38:10 the fact that the narrator says we are "peering through the window" of Poppy's home seems like an extremely important detail, especially when compared to real-life children's shows. Viewers are often active members of the community or acknowledged/welcomed tourists. Here, however, the viewers are like spies. I can't remember if you've mentioned that before, but it seemed important to me.
    39:20 Going off the idea that the narrator *is* Wally, maybe that was Wally's original role--until he got jealous and lonely and Home offered to make him real, to give him a name and a face and make him part of the neighborhood.
    41:09 The "monsters in the woods" that come out to "view them" at night are us. This can tie back to my first theory in this comment. I think the statement at 42:39 that the noises can be heard "especially if you wait next to your window" confirms this.

    • @ShadowPhoenix82
      @ShadowPhoenix82 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Then how are we consuming neighbors? Even occasional insects that cross our path as we watch the show?

    • @milliemilie7114
      @milliemilie7114 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's actually very interesting

    • @aiko4446
      @aiko4446 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      ​@@ShadowPhoenix82maybe consuming like how we consume media, we click on whatever bugs we see on the website absorbing their knowledge wanting to absorb the knowledge of the characters

    • @abbray
      @abbray ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Ah, I was thinking that it would be the human backstage cast that would be the monster.
      Given that bugs disappearing, bushes being moved and house exteriors being messed with could be the human workers touching up the set between episodes.
      Plus if neighbours have gone missing overnight in the past, it could be the characters being retired from the show.
      Of course, given what it is, being retired would be a little more sinister than a character being dropped normally.

    • @bottled_leviathan9376
      @bottled_leviathan9376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Goes well with the culty vibe

  • @maddieneko5778
    @maddieneko5778 ปีที่แล้ว +1020

    It was quite sad the WH Fandom has gotten smaller, but I am glad some people still love this as much as I do!

    • @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87
      @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Yeah- Kinda like the 123 slaughter me street Fandom that was smaller than welcomw home, now practically dead- but im glad this one's still Goin! ^^

    • @maddieneko5778
      @maddieneko5778 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87 I have heard of that Fandom, it has puppet things right? Like a pink bird puppet?

    • @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87
      @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @maddieneko5778 yeah- I think it's a emu- I'm not quite sure- but I think the fandom was popular because of a fnf mod- that's how I found it atleast-

    • @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87
      @-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If I remember correctly in the apartment- hallway one the birds name is "the greeter" then a yellow one called "the waiter" then "the follower" is like a blue goat or ram thing

    • @maddieneko5778
      @maddieneko5778 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@-WAS-THAT-THE-BITE-OF-87 I see, I might look into it

  • @steelfoot98
    @steelfoot98 ปีที่แล้ว +761

    Between all the well written dialogue and the incredible art style, I honestly kind of just want an actual welcome home show. Not a creepy pseudo-horror thing, just like an actual tv show with these characters. I love the ARG stuff, but it almost makes me sad that we’ll likely never see these characters outside that context. All that to say that ClownIllustrations is an absolute master of design for coming up with all this, and even though I know this ended up being stressful for them I hope they feel proud of what they’ve made.

    • @AltKaxREAL
      @AltKaxREAL ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Considering how passionate some fans are nowadays, you bet there will be someone out there crazy enough to make a whole episode with the vibrant style of this lost show

    • @thunder_fist8724
      @thunder_fist8724 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      you mean like dhmis?

    • @Valentina-ng4hh
      @Valentina-ng4hh ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@AltKaxREAL Yeah but it would be better if it was made by the original creator.

    • @average-art3222
      @average-art3222 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@Valentina-ng4hhclown himself, he does have a puppet of his own, but also, to put, quote on quote, would be a lot to deal with, especially with the fans and their problematic issues. Honestly would love to watch a few episodes but, it's also the risk they take cause, remember: copy right claims.

  • @jencycrookston6341
    @jencycrookston6341 ปีที่แล้ว +347

    Wally is known to eat with his eyes! He was taking a bite out of the candy apple. Also in the art for the Halloween episode he was holding a bitten caramel apple!

    • @Earthquaker
      @Earthquaker ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Glad someone else noticed the apple in the poster, I was going crazy with Matpat not noticing it. That and him not remembering playfellow is the television company associated with the show being spelled out on the very first page

    • @alexisfox9206
      @alexisfox9206 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ​@@EarthquakerI think it could be cause he hasn't checked the Tumblr page.. like at all.. which he should do, cause a lot of extra info is there

    • @average-art3222
      @average-art3222 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@alexisfox9206agree, and some others that are in clowns twitter too. But also, let's not forget Julie is a rainbow monster with siblings of her own, also to point out the whole neighbourhood, the one that stands out is Frank and yet, we barely know much then what his character catalogue says.

    • @alexisfox9206
      @alexisfox9206 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@average-art3222 oh no Frank is def important. Either he'll be the first to figure out whatever is happening or already knows and is trying to help (both work honestly)..

    • @average-art3222
      @average-art3222 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@alexisfox9206plus, his name doesn't end with an e sound like the others, like Wally, Sally, Julie, poppy, they all end with an "E" sound while Frank ends with a "K" ... he is definitely important cause he's the colorless character around, along the fact he has a garden and eats, while the others, not sure if so cause of Wally, can eat with his eyes. But a lot of people have head theories that, it either the puppets of their puppeteers but, that's honestly where it goes ngl.

  • @estebangutierrez160
    @estebangutierrez160 ปีที่แล้ว +482

    Eddie Dear being a suspect is interesting, especially since he is forgetful. In which I mean he forgets things. Maybe he could be the creature that lurks around at night.

    • @lukacunningham342
      @lukacunningham342 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Well he *IS* Frank’s husband, if the theory about Frank being a spy on the inside is true, what better person to be his accomplice?

    • @fluffywhompus
      @fluffywhompus ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ⁠@@lukacunningham342well they technically aren’t married by this point yet. Also if I remember correctly (so please correct me if I’m wrong) but didn’t clown say that was only a scrapped concept for the show

    • @dangdao8068
      @dangdao8068 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@fluffywhompus Isn't that like how every show is? deleted any scene that has gayness in it and not mention, that there are some country that ban LGBT

    • @lacrossestick132
      @lacrossestick132 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I also think it’s interesting because Sally has always held some kind of disdain towards him. She doesn’t like Eddie much, which would make sense if she hears this monster in the town every night and knows (or at least suspects) it’s him.

    • @estebangutierrez160
      @estebangutierrez160 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lacrossestick132 i think some of the Neighbors, namely Howdy Sally and Barnaby, have something against him.

  • @corgifan6761
    @corgifan6761 ปีที่แล้ว +966

    You guys should totally do a GTnotLive over solving Ash’s novel!
    Clap and a Half to you Ash!! Slayyyy!

    • @corgifan6761
      @corgifan6761 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Thanks for the likes!

    • @ebrucan7161
      @ebrucan7161 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      the word "slay" just makes me want to die

    • @corgifan6761
      @corgifan6761 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Sorry, the person you are trying to reach is unavailable, please call back when you have something better to say. Thank you, have a FANTASTIC Day! 😀

    • @RandomVideoGameStuff1
      @RandomVideoGameStuff1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ebrucan7161same 😭

  • @nuggiesvids
    @nuggiesvids ปีที่แล้ว +303

    Ash's novel is the mistery I needed for the end of the year, I'm excited to get to their december 1st to know more about it😢

  • @robertmatthias
    @robertmatthias ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I think the thing we've not touched on yet is the orientation of Wally's eyes. His eyes are either "content" or "alert" at any moment. I think this is either the separation of when he's in his "surveillance" mode versus being in control. Perhaps it indicates that there's two different Wally's entirely, but the direction his eyes are tilted seems to have some sort of importance.

  • @thymemcf.5058
    @thymemcf.5058 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    19:30 Isn't it a part of the cannon lore that Wally can eat just by looking at things, And aren't apples his favorite food?

    • @SoftySenpaii
      @SoftySenpaii ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yes, Clown revealed this on their Tumblr and Twitter. Though, fun fact, if he were to see an apple pie he wouldn't know what to do with it (he'd be like 'this isn't an apple' and just not eat it).

    • @katarinacarrico7887
      @katarinacarrico7887 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@SoftySenpaii But didn't Clown also say Wally doesn't eat apples? He just loves to look at them.

    • @SoftySenpaii
      @SoftySenpaii ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@katarinacarrico7887 He eats with his eyes, all he has to do is blink and the food vanishes. Which is also canon.

    • @aquafox_x
      @aquafox_x 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@SoftySenpaiiIn the video example of Wally eating, he never blinks! He just looks at it, albeit with more focus(?). Like, 👁️👁️

  • @MothLikeClown
    @MothLikeClown ปีที่แล้ว +92

    I like how the other characters don’t know/realize Wally eats with his eyes so, in this case, Barnaby doesn’t realize Wally bit the apple. Also I imagine Wally is looking from barnaby to the apple making sure he isn’t looking so he can take a bite.

  • @GJames-Legend101
    @GJames-Legend101 ปีที่แล้ว +889

    Games you should definitely play next.
    1. In sound mind
    2. Killer frequency
    3. Cult of the lamb
    4. Darkwood
    5. Scp containment breach

  • @Koifishyfish14
    @Koifishyfish14 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I would just like to point out that Frank dressed up as a vampire for the Halloween update so that would specify why he calls out the teeth marks. Hope this helps

    • @Koifishyfish14
      @Koifishyfish14 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      So like when Barnaby points them out and Frank specifically says that it’s fake, that could mean that he’s just saying that it couldn’t have been him if there fake

  • @rose_no
    @rose_no ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Wally isn't brought into the conversation at its end, rather the conversation continues with Wally included. We only get to see the parts of conversation when Wally is just listening in and doesn't need to talk, and I can confirm that people listening to conversations without being brought in is a thing that can happen.

  • @johnlittle8045
    @johnlittle8045 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    I have to admit, Ash's project was definitely a help for me in trying to finish my own. And I've not actually gotten to the end of the book, but I did pass 50,000 words about four and a half hours before the deadline, so I think it was a month well spent. Thanks, Ash!

  • @ihrtedward
    @ihrtedward ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Eddie has the bitten apple package, but...Eddie's a mailman. That doesn't belong to him. He's simply about to deliver it and as others have called out, Wally canonically loves apples. I didn't know about the lore floating around that says he eats with his eyes but he absolutely is able to reach out and absorb energies and brainwash people with them so I think it makes more sense that Home "took a bite" of the candy apple through Wally's eyes and that Eddie is delivering that package to Wally.

  • @PrincessOfTheNight01
    @PrincessOfTheNight01 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The haunting video is basically a scary story related to the town/Home. I find it interesting how it’s Sally that tells this story since she hasn’t been in the forefront thus far. Not to mention, near the end, Sally’s voice sounds very close to the recording. She obviously knows something. I wonder what it all means.

  • @caicook5564
    @caicook5564 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    if anyone is looking for some deep dive stuff on welcome home and a lot of analog horror i highly recommend night mind! their voiceovers are awesome and i personally love their voice and expressions!

    • @angelav4401
      @angelav4401 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Seconded! And they specialize in ARGs so it's very in-depth analysis. As much as I love MatPat, I agree more with NightMind's interpretation of WH so far.

  • @shadowkat4167
    @shadowkat4167 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    i think the bitten apple is connected to Frank. we already think hes different, trying to figure out what's going on. i think he gets called out for the apple, not bc he actually ate it, but to connect the apple symbolism to him. for the box, eddie is a mailman. those boxes aren't his. the box is green and yellow, so is frank's house and sweater. giving frank more connection to the bitten apple

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That's a really smart connection.

    • @little_to_no_opinion6788
      @little_to_no_opinion6788 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      This might just be me, and I also noticed everyone's names end in an 'E' sound, except Frank. Sally, Wally, Julie, Eddie, Barnaby, Howdy, Poppy...then Frank. That also sets him apart. The only thing with that is there's also Home, who doesn't have an 'E' sound at the end of their name either. I dunno, could be me overthinking, just food for thought! 😊

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@little_to_no_opinion6788 Well Frank makes up by being Frank Frankly but yeah with his name as is he just keeps showing how much of the outlier he is in the neighborhood.

    • @little_to_no_opinion6788
      @little_to_no_opinion6788 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Songal18 that's also very true! I wasn't even taking into consideration their last names. If we're to take it that way then that completely throws the idea out the window, so if anything it's just kinda a fun lil coincidence 😊

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@little_to_no_opinion6788 I mean it still holds merit as a potential theory. All theories are right until the canon comes out.

  • @poppybeargacha
    @poppybeargacha ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I love the time stamp saying “poppy from trolls is the ultimate poppy, sorry not sorry” and I so agree with them 😂💜

  • @madblackliam
    @madblackliam ปีที่แล้ว +137

    MatPat at 46:00 a speech bubble shows up next to Wally and the word "Hello" is written out. I can't say this information is 100% correct because I didn't see the posts myself, but I've seen a lot of people say that Frank and Eddie are canonically a couple. If Frank is already suspicious it's not a stretch to think their (Frank is nonbinary) partner would be too.

    • @SoftySenpaii
      @SoftySenpaii ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Clown has confirmed on their tumblr that Frank and Eddie are 100% a couple. Also, Frank is non-binary and goes by "they/them" (also canon). Hope this helps!

    • @iontruth
      @iontruth ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Slightly unrelated to your comment, but I didn't see anyone in the comments mention it, save for you. That hello bubble becomes a clickable link with an audio file from Wally.

    • @SoftySenpaii
      @SoftySenpaii ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@iontruth A few others mention it if you look through the comments enough, but yeah. Pretty cool.

    • @Stef-jr5gn
      @Stef-jr5gn ปีที่แล้ว +8

      On the website if you click the word hello (on the guestbook tab) it takes you to another tab and it’s an audio file

    • @jordansedgwick8551
      @jordansedgwick8551 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That's really interesting that they're a couple. Might explain why Frank is teasing and Eddie called him frank. The neighborhood could want them to just be neighbors which would be interesting

  • @ErenDavis-uw8uk
    @ErenDavis-uw8uk ปีที่แล้ว +89

    So excited for this!!! I cosplayed wally to con and had so much fun so thanks matpat for showing me this series!

  • @northwaymagick
    @northwaymagick 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Just a bit more about apples connected to Halloween - apples were traditionally buried at Halloween to feed the dead. They also contain a star, or pentagram, in the centre, symbolic of protection and often used in occult settings. Perhaps I’ve jumped too far into things there, but the focus on apples and them being used to feed the dead is particularly interesting.

  • @na3rial
    @na3rial ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Ash's book is exactly the type of book I would expect Mat's figment of his brain would write. A mystery puzzle book you have to lore out lol

  • @faith8939
    @faith8939 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think the closed captions and audio descriptions are genius. I feel like by making it a character in and of itself not only does it add to the average viewer but it helps encapsulate the vibe better for people actually who need it. Like it adds an element of mystery that would probably get lost in a literal transcription.

  • @MimikyuCookie
    @MimikyuCookie ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Something that frustrates me is that he went for the secret stuff and it caused him to completely miss things that he would have gotten if he had done things in the right order.

    • @katrinacassandrarazon7644
      @katrinacassandrarazon7644 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Can relate

    • @tisa37bokun57
      @tisa37bokun57 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      For real! He has good theories but they're going in a wrong directions

    • @D0G-DAYY
      @D0G-DAYY 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tisa37bokun57thats mattpatt for ya

  • @zombiekileer
    @zombiekileer ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Between the fangs and Sally’s monster that’s two vampire references (with it not breaking into homes but just wandering the streets at night) and Eddie is a mailman. So naturally he has to interact with everyone and know where they live even if this wasn’t a small community. Maybe this was supposed to give him more opportunities to be invited in?

  • @WeirdlyTimeless
    @WeirdlyTimeless ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The "fang" reference was towards Frank's costume during Halloween. He was dressed as a Vampire for the Halloween special, and Barnaby messes with Frank often, so I took it as Barnaby knowing Wally took a bite, but used it as an opportunity to say that Frank bit it because he "sees fang marks" (targeting Frank by alluding to his costume).

  • @TheMegaOnyx
    @TheMegaOnyx ปีที่แล้ว +402

    Matpat is the embodiment of the beard makes the man.
    With beard, he oozes daddy vibes.
    Without, he looks like he drank the water from the fountain of youth.

    • @nayfinch9165
      @nayfinch9165 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      but he looks great etherway 😊

    • @twox5339
      @twox5339 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@nayfinch9165 i call it very good looking in the average way

  • @Chronicler9
    @Chronicler9 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I know this might be a stretch, but when she says "I forget how many eyes my brother has... At least two. Or was it three? No, no two..." I was thinking about Home's windows being eyes. Then saw that Frank's house has 3 windows - as though there were three eyes - and wondered if there might be a connection there. Probably not, but regardless, it's weird that Barnaby's place doesn't show ANY windows.

  • @olderoscendant
    @olderoscendant ปีที่แล้ว +46

    So grateful for youtubers like NightMind and yourself for continuing to break down these updates. My ADHD would never let me find everything they've worked so well to include into the story. I continue to get so excited every time there happens to be an update. It's one of the only things thats so interesting, it'll be the one thing I give atttention to until I've watched you give your opinions. And kudos to the team behind Welcome Home in general. Keeping my brain and soul well-fed.
    EDIT: Wait.... I just noticed that the road surrounding Home seems to be star-shaped..... Interesting......

  • @olivetree3
    @olivetree3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What I got from the Halloween video was that, we (the camera or pov) are wally. But not just Wally, it’s house looking trough Wally. Wally isn’t there, that’s why he isn’t talking, his just observing for house. When his “call to action” happens, house lets go and lets Wally take over. All the videos, are house watching through Wally.
    (The person writing the translation is probably just some worker watching the video, given a job.)
    But that’s just a theory!

  • @craftyisacarnivore
    @craftyisacarnivore ปีที่แล้ว +52

    To be honest I love the chaos of GTLive and it's probably my favorite of all the channels. :)
    It would be so cool if Matt played Cult Of The Lamb to be honest!!! It's such a cozy game. :D

  • @princelandrycrusher
    @princelandrycrusher ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wally: *exists*
    MatPat: Everyone but Wally is sus and are evil. >.>
    I genuinely love Matt's thought process sometimes. xD Also Matty O'Patty I'm waiting on that Pinkie Pie theory.

  • @jeffgameguy9-mm6em
    @jeffgameguy9-mm6em ปีที่แล้ว +67

    How happy he always is makes me a lot happier .

  • @FireflyOffical
    @FireflyOffical ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t know that you guys are talking about, I love it when may pauses the videos to talk about it!!! I’m autistic and personal do this with my friends, it annoys them so much. But to see a creator that I look up to do it, makes me happy knowing that I’m not alone :)

  • @jetaimesooshi
    @jetaimesooshi ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I have no idea about the Welcome Home fanbase being smaller but I've been chilling with it so yea, sure. The character designs and everything else really has their own charm. Cool stuff

  • @sleepdisorder-exe5820
    @sleepdisorder-exe5820 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Prop to all of the voice actors for the amazing cast. I’m sure recording it was so fun!

  • @tisa37bokun57
    @tisa37bokun57 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The site had recently updated and the little tasks like move Barnaby aren't for us! They're for Wally from someone running the site! So they can confirm that he as an entity exists

  • @zariasafonova7220
    @zariasafonova7220 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    With the sudden notice that there is an unknown entity who is transcribing events going on but not necessarily knowing what is going on and having an opinion, plus then the inclusion of a mysterious narrator who listens in on the characters out of sight. . . That sounds like the monster in Sally's story to me. I think this is another character we just haven't been aware of until now

  • @Songal18
    @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Better late than never, thanks for covering this Matpat, and going over the newest update. Barnaby is a comedian so he fits into the role of Pedrolino. Which in French Pedrolino is known as Pierrot, but that fact it is Sally specifically who is. Wally is possibly the Conduit for this Entity that Home is infested with(or is if Home is the Entity taken on physical form to blend in). Eddie shows in this update that like Wally and possibly Frank knows much, much more than we realize. Now the "fang marks" I think is just Barnaby being silly because so far we've yet to see anybody with "fangs" outside of costumes. Also Barnaby CALLS Wally Kid, because Wally is younger than him, and as a term of endearment. Now we know Wally eats with his eyes, but does anybody in the Neighborhood know about this about Wally, because if they don't then they wouldn't suspect Wally eating the apple. I don't think Eddie is evil, but I do think he is not as he seems, I think he is playing two roles-The friendly neighborhood mailman and the man who knows what is really going on and knows he needs to play his role or his friends and him will pay the price. The Narrator I think was just made for this audio recording, but maybe they were also in the show? We'll have to see in more updates if they return. Sally's story definitely cuts out and she talks directly to us the people listening to this very recording because the record distortion goes away. Which shows that maybe more or all the Neighbors know what is going on and are all looking for our help and not just Wally, they're all doing it in their unique ways-Wally with his phone calls, Eddie with letters, Frank with Bugs, and Sally with stories. Sorry for the long comment I just have a lot to say on this Project. Ash I hope we all get to see your story published.

  • @Reaper-Mitsuki
    @Reaper-Mitsuki ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Not sure if this was thought of but the "kid" Barnaby refers to could still be Wally. Someone older (Barnaby) may refer to someone younger (Wally) as kid, kiddo, etc. Not that there is another separate person who is the kid. Plus I think I recall Wally likes apples?

  • @lilsurly7713
    @lilsurly7713 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I think it would be cool if Matpat did a video on "The Man in the Suit" I recently came across it and thought it would be good since it fits in with the whole Analog Horror.

    • @cassiejohnson9410
      @cassiejohnson9410 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Omg! I stubbled onto it and it was so good!

    • @bummysalt2221
      @bummysalt2221 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did! Check it out!

    • @cassiejohnson9410
      @cassiejohnson9410 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bummysalt2221 I literally watched it the moment it came out 😂

    • @lilsurly7713
      @lilsurly7713 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bummysalt2221 I saw it, I was happy to see that he made that video it was really good

  • @wirepenn2064
    @wirepenn2064 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    25:48 based on delivery I think “kid” is Wally. Plus, he references his “little devil” watching his Apple, Wally is dressed as a devil. Not sure who bit the Apple, but Wally is the only one there (as far as we know)
    24:04 I think if he was talking to someone and then turned to Wally there would’ve been more emphasis on “you” like if the interior is: “Ah don’t worry about it, there’s plenty to eat here. What about you Wally? What are you craving?” Then I think the delivery would’ve been more along the lines of “what are *you* feel hungry for, Wally?” As a way to say “hey, what about you?”

  • @erikitty9569
    @erikitty9569 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love all of Mats thoughts here. But with his thought of Eddie being, potentially, evil because of the apple on one of the boxes he’s carrying connecting to the glitch apple in the video…. I think he’s missing a HUGE detail there with the fact that Eddie is the mail man and each thing he’s carrying is for another character and not him.
    The top is a bow shaped present for Julie, the bottom is Barnaby’s, and I think the middle looks the most like it represents Howdy. I think this because of its green coloring but also because Howdy is literally holding an apple in his own imagery and the box he holds is an apple with a caterpillar in it.
    Do I know why that distinction could matter or what it means? Absouletly not.
    Do I think Howdy might have fangs? Or that he even ate the apple? No! I’ve got no idea.
    But I feel that detail could be important if who the apple “connects to” ends up mattering at all.
    And for Howdy not being in the video I’m not sure if that matters either. Just a thought I had and wanted to share.
    Potentially it could also be tying Howdy to Eddie? With the other video we got showing Eddie being afraid of a bug and Howdy having a lot of ties to potentially being a caterpillar. Maybe Eddie is scarred of Howdy? Idk anyway I love welcome home so much and I’m glad Mat is covering it.

  • @Earthquaker
    @Earthquaker ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm pretty sure the audio transcriptions are coming from the restoration team and not from Wally. They are restoring the pieces of media from a lost state and not all of the footage is in tact so they're putting their best guess in the transcription, that's why it said "I think".

  • @b.ts06
    @b.ts06 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hey Matt and crew. I think I might have an idea on how to uncover the website command things. Although I'm not entirely certain it may work as I'm no expert, I feel Matt was on the right track. I feel you may need some website coding knowledge perhaps, so like he said, copy the website into your own version of the website that way you have access to editing the code itself. From there you can add text, alter the formatting of text etc.
    Another thing for you Matt, you mentioned wishing there was a way you could see what something is exactly? There kind of is. If you right click a website you can "inspect element", this is the page's source code. You can also press Control, Shift and C to get here. Once this opens, there's a dotted box with an arrow, or you can press Control, Shift and C again to be able to highlight an object on the page, and it will jump to that area of code.
    I hope this can help in any sort of way, and best of luck👍

  • @sabrenatherrien8911
    @sabrenatherrien8911 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I didn’t even know he was still paying attention to welcome home. I’m so excited he finally saw the October update and I can’t wait for 2024 for the new update. Love the team at gt ❤️❤️❤️ also it looks like there wasn’t another update but some notes got released I think this may be a mistake

  • @dandannoodles5161
    @dandannoodles5161 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i feel like the implication for poppy, the whole "reverse this image", is that shes much more deeply connected to wally than we think because the moment that matpat reversed the image, i immediately noticed that she has the same color palette as wally. it could be because i just had this on the bg while i was drawing and art and colors was on the mind, but it is something-- i could also be completely wrong but hey, thats theorizing

  • @knockoffraccoon
    @knockoffraccoon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    barnaby also has fangs in the Happy Haunting art and wally has a bitten apple

  • @morrigancrow2421
    @morrigancrow2421 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the bite if the apple could also represent one of the characters gaining more knowledge about their situation
    if you connect it to the apple of knowledge

  • @ArtsyAssh
    @ArtsyAssh ปีที่แล้ว +18

    In my opinion, the asks or commands that MatPat discussed at the end of the video is home or wally seeing if they could add you, the viewer/player into their "cult" or make you a puppet. Or something like that. Also, im not sure, but maybe when you reverse sally and imagine the reverse picture where the picture usually is, it may look like she's pointing or praising home. Idk tho

    • @ArtsyAssh
      @ArtsyAssh ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Also, MatPat if you're reading this, I want you to know something. My mom, who is an English teacher, watched this video with me and she was very impressed with how you dissected the information and your use of words. She said that she would bring you up in her next class to show her students how she wanted them to search for information in books and stuff. :D

  • @spudsbuchlaw
    @spudsbuchlaw ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here's a compilation of Ash's book clues:
    -There's 3 of them (The Rainman)
    -Not a trilogy
    -Not a Bible Sequel
    -Numerous (DON'T SCREAM)
    -Not about numbers or the populous
    -No chapters
    no clue(FnaF Quiz)
    -Criticism (Smiling Critteer Cartoon)
    -Amy guessed Anthropocene Review, which Ash said was the closest anyone's gotten
    -Alignments (Outcore: Desktop Adventure)
    -It is about Tension but not about being a Chiropractor
    -You have to think about these words like you think about Connections
    -Memory (Fears to Fathom: Ironbark Lookout)
    -Not about Cats
    Amy guessed fictional dairy entires, not quite, but in the ballpark
    -Amy guesses Multimedia (Ergodic) Ash says no but also yes?
    -Hiatus (Five Nights At Freddy's Help Wanted 2)
    -Perspective Shift ("Spectacle" The Walten Files Minisode)
    no clue? (Fears to Fathom: Ironbark Lookout)
    -History (Cool Math Games ARG)
    -Contains Pieces
    -They guessed Period piece and Ash said a doubtful 'Mm?'
    -Writing (Welcome Home Website Update)
    -Inspired by the Theorist community. It's a Puzzle book
    -The book is about the lore of the character(s) within

  • @EricPetrov-su9zh
    @EricPetrov-su9zh ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Hi matpat i rlly appreciate the work you and your team do for us to entertain us!❤

  • @FrankieOutOfIt
    @FrankieOutOfIt ปีที่แล้ว +18

    When you know that this is going to be amazing. Thank you for producing these videos, they're amazing 👏

  • @AutomatonicChairman
    @AutomatonicChairman ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The people who make this should do an audio horror thing

  • @personthing07
    @personthing07 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    if you look at the website now, sally's image has been reversed, playfellow turned upside down, ok and hello have been written, and barnaby has been moved

  • @na3rial
    @na3rial ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Mna I love this series so much. I can't wait to learn what it's about! There aren't that many ARGs/games that can keep us guessing like this!

  • @allisonbridgeford4255
    @allisonbridgeford4255 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Cant wait for him to get into the new things that are coming this December

  • @bookdragon4622
    @bookdragon4622 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I would like to recommend playing a nancy drew game. Especialy now that they are making a small arg for their next game. They are detective point and click games. I would specifically recommend the ghost of Thornton hall. It's an amazing game, and I would love to see your reaction to it.😊

    • @laurenbee6340
      @laurenbee6340 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s awesome they are making a small ARG.

    • @socksinsoda9517
      @socksinsoda9517 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yesss, a Nancy Drew game would be amazing to see them play

  • @Sarah-jq3fn
    @Sarah-jq3fn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wally is not a observer because wally is known to eat by just looking at the object as shown on one of clowns pages

  • @Altaku84
    @Altaku84 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the bit apple in eddie's art is a gift, there is a Barnelby themed one directly under it. its most likely a gift for Wally, as he is known to like apples, as well as holding a bitten one in the halloween art.

  • @Tobias-ri1ft
    @Tobias-ri1ft ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO THIS IM SO HAPPY YOU COVERED WELCOME HOME AGAIN

  • @weirdbutokaydude
    @weirdbutokaydude ปีที่แล้ว +5

    clown said on I believe tumblr that Wally can eat by eating with his eyes and that he likes looking at apples

  • @Tru1yreagan
    @Tru1yreagan ปีที่แล้ว +9

    im so glad they finally added some new things I think it’s such a great game thing

  • @savichan101
    @savichan101 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I found it funny how deep he was going into the video about the fangs- when their just talking about a halloween costume lol.

  • @Loveabird777
    @Loveabird777 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Yesssss this is one of my favorite horror things I enjoy matpat talking about

  • @butterflychavela9812
    @butterflychavela9812 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey MatPat, in the guestbook when you scroll all the way down you see all the neighbors signatures. If you look at Howdy's signature it has a bitten apple. Don't know if that's important I just think it's something to put a lil thought into🤭💕

  • @Miri_Rainy
    @Miri_Rainy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It should also be noted that in the “happy haunting to boo and yours” picture that Wally has an candy apple and it has a bite taken out of it. It correlates with what Matt was saying about a bite out of an apple being a representation of a villain or of evil. Definitely something to think about.

  • @SpacedOutNoDoubt
    @SpacedOutNoDoubt ปีที่แล้ว +18

    So excited for this update!

  • @rose_no
    @rose_no ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Inspect Element," or some other thing depending on your browser probably, can be used to edit the html of a page you are looking at.
    By using the one tool that selects the element you click on and pressing delete, you can remove elements.

  • @PandaSlakoth
    @PandaSlakoth ปีที่แล้ว +8

    46:00 I don’t know if anyone else commented on this already, but when you were in the guestbook, Wally was drawn a speech bubble. It seems to me someone was writing hello in it, could the “write hello” thing be related to that?
    Edit: I know there is a code to flip an image, I think it was “flip box”. I’m not good at programming stuff though, so I am not able to get it to work with the code sadly.

  • @sequoiathompson6607
    @sequoiathompson6607 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A couple things to point out:
    First off, I’m not sure if this is canon or fanon, but I’m pretty sure it’s been said that Wally can eat with his eyes, and I’m also pretty sure Clown said that apples are Wally’s favorite food.
    Second, about the Boo and Yours audio and the whole idea of this monster at night, remember that drawing of Julie Clown put on their website before you click the link to Welcome home? I know they said it’s not canon/related to WH but I do think it’s worth considering that Julie is depicted as this cursed monster type thing in that one.

  • @Nnessa69
    @Nnessa69 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Someone has probably noticed this but I just wanna point out how Wally was holding a candy apple with a bite in it in the Halloween picture of all the characters. I also think that the box with apples on it could be for Wally because there seemed to be a package for Barnaby( probably didn’t spell that right) it had paw marks and bones so maybe apples hold a strong connection with Wally like how bones and paw marks correlate with Barnaby. Idk just a thought

  • @EponineGraydeChagny
    @EponineGraydeChagny ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am really curious to see where Mat's next theory video will take all this new, fractured information. This is continuing to intrigue! :D

  • @lilyflare2
    @lilyflare2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why didn't Mat point out that the captioning said "It sounds like Barnaby pats the camera." To me that's clearly indicating that Wally is the camera and Barnaby was like patting his shoulder or something.

  • @JayskaTeag
    @JayskaTeag ปีที่แล้ว +2

    41:35
    The sound reminds me of the huge "clack" sound effect they normally use when someone is flipping a large switch (normally it is like, to a stage production light, shining down on the stage from above)

  • @stripedtoadstools1788
    @stripedtoadstools1788 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got so excited when I saw this! I missed the Welcome Home content

  • @wolfmom53
    @wolfmom53 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Awe, we love you to MatPat, and the theorist team.

  • @shanagable1239
    @shanagable1239 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you realize that in the group picture Wally is holding the bitten apple and as the devil, maybe he has fangs?

  • @milly7843
    @milly7843 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey there! So I saw in the Welcome Home ARG Subreddit that Clown apparently said that these commands (write hello, write "ok", etc.) were an accident and he didn't mean to publish them yet. I haven't been able to find the source where he says this, but it would explain why nobody has been able to figure out how to act on the commands yet.

  • @nighty9061
    @nighty9061 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love welcoming home a lot. Im not always looking at its contents looking at others things. When i see that video telling there is more i always come right back to see more welcome home

  • @cavetownlover671
    @cavetownlover671 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So so so excited for Ash's novel/puzzle book!!! I'm ready to figure out that lore 😼

  • @Chronicler9
    @Chronicler9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They talk to Wally like children's shows talk to children... >_>

  • @annaliesecancilla894
    @annaliesecancilla894 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One thing I wonder is how filming was supposed to happen when the show was being made. The neighbors seems very much alive, and don’t seem to know about the audience. (Though I could be wrong about that). On the other hand we always view the world through Wally’s eyes, so it makes me wonder if somehow the Wally pov is supposed to be how the show is filmed??? Idk, I’d love to hear other thoughts
    Edit: also I’d like to mention that the “narrator” sounds like Frank imo

  • @purple_panda4663
    @purple_panda4663 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what if the fangs are symbolic of house "sinking its teeth into another" presumably the "kid" that Barnaby mentions

  • @Fidolay-ie2wd
    @Fidolay-ie2wd ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Also in the picture with Wally smiling while everyone else is scared he is also holding a candy apple

    • @Fidolay-ie2wd
      @Fidolay-ie2wd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also think you should look at what the package with the bitten Apple is going to

  • @chihauhaun
    @chihauhaun ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Ash. Have you ever read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime? cuz the formatting clues are making me think of this book (not so much the context clues)

  • @EinsamPibroch278
    @EinsamPibroch278 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    39:20 That is SO NOT Wally, doesn't even sound remotely like him!
    You really dropped the ball there.

  • @fugitive_kid7495
    @fugitive_kid7495 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I just watched all the welcome home videos and wanted more so I’m excited for this

  • @javelinmaster2
    @javelinmaster2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dear Matpat, at 45:51 there is that image of Wally writing and a text balloon that might say hello

  • @madisondooley2665
    @madisondooley2665 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi! i dont know tons about this ARG, but when you go to the guestbook page and click on the "hello." that is written out in the speech bubble next to wally, it takes you to a voice memo on a separate page. It may be an old thing but thats all i could find that was connected to the word Hello in that way

  • @SchizoGenius
    @SchizoGenius ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My headcanon is that the name "Welcome Home" is the biggest clue of all.
    It's more like "Welcome, Home." As in, Wally is the harbinger of the arrival of Home in new worlds.

  • @superpanda_girl6505
    @superpanda_girl6505 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Interestingly, there is a Biblical reference in the Halloween/fall party video. After the apple is bitten, Barnaby comes over and says Wally was guarding it. He refers to Wally as a little devil. In the Bible Satan or the devil is hiding in the tree with the apple, when he convinces Eve to take a bite. When she does, Eve gains knowledge from the forbidden fruit. Barnaby then calls out Frank, accusing him of biting the apple. Could this scene confirm the idea that Frank knows what is going on here? That maybe after this moment, Frank gains the knowledge that the neighborhood is not just a simple place. I am also not saying that Wally convinces Frank to eat it, or that Barnaby is God. Just an interesting idea to play with.
    We all know how much ARGs love Biblical references.

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Frank and Eddie being Adam and Eve could be a thing if we have the Biblical side of this Project still part of it. Because Frank and Eddie are going to be a couple but it's just going to be a slow burn type of story for them, then maybe Frank helps Eddie see the truth of the neighborhood.

    • @superpanda_girl6505
      @superpanda_girl6505 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Songal18 That would make sense. I have seen theories that they are in love with each other, but because this show takes place in a time when that would not be okay, Frank and Eddie may hide this fact. If it were the case that they are in love, then the references towards the bitten apple for both of them make a lot of sense.

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@superpanda_girl6505 Mmhm that's the idea. Again only if the biblical stuff is relevant still, which we will have to wait and see.

    • @SoftySenpaii
      @SoftySenpaii ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It sounds the most plausible, as the 'beta' for the ARG had a lot of satanic/religious references (i.e. the picture of Wally doing that 'as above so below' pose). And Wally does love apples, he is a character who is initially ignorant but desires knowledge and apples in Christian mythology are symbols of 'forbidden knowledge'. Which, in this context, would mean the characters (so far only Wally and Frank) know full well they are puppets and are trying to communicate with us.
      Though, I have a new theory brewing in my head. What if Eddie is some kind of 'vampire' like monster? The evidence for this is - he is the mailman so he knows where everyone lives (and can go to their houses under the guise of 'delivering mail' to them), he often 'forgets' a lot of things (he could be lying but if he isn't then he would be going into 'monster mode' quite often), and he is the only character who has no real backstory of where he came from (he remembers he came from somewhere outside the town but that's it). And it would be ironic, as he is dressed like a scarecrow/frankenstein while Frank is the one dressed like a vampire (in my opinion if my theory is true their costumes reflect the role/nature of the other - both are in sense a 'fake', Eddie being a legit monster while Frank isn't even a real puppet).
      In fact, the halloween costumes may just reflect the roles of the characters as well...Wally is an easy one, but the others I'll have to figure out.

    • @Songal18
      @Songal18 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SoftySenpaii That's an interesting theory, though if Eddie is the "fanged creature" then I would think he'd either be an Entity or it'd be symbolic.

  • @Jyster370
    @Jyster370 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve never been obsessed with an ARG like this before and ITS JUST HAD AN UPDATE, I’m so excited to see what Matpat and crew are going to discover !!
    V excite !!!