Some new products from Sonos that I'd love to see: 1. Era 500s that can be used as main left and right speakers in a full Sonos Arc/Ultra System 2. Sub Max (double the weight and volume of the Sub 4) 3. Full DTS support (so that the Era 500s can be used for by themselves for DTS-mono, for example) 4. Sonos TV Streamer with HDMI 2.1 passthrough, also providing mitigation for Apple TV's poor sound quality and gain 5. Sonos AV AMP, so that the Sonos Amp can power a main left, centre, and right channel in an AV system, but still use the Era 300s as rear surrounds. Naturally, the Amp needs to be stable down to 4 ohms (2 ohms for short bursts), and provide full DTS support, with HDMI 2.1 passthrough.
My only reservation is the TV streamer on this list due to software issues and complications. I would love to see it, however, if this broke the app again, Sonos would be no more.
If Sonos wants another GUARANTEED WIN, allow arc users the ability to add Era 300’s as designated left and right speakers. I’ll buy two more right now and I know the vast majority of their user base will do the same. No need to reinvent the wheel just give us what we want.
I added my era 100s to the front and I put my ear to it and seems to cut in and out alot often as well not like every 5 mins more like every 5 seconds not sure if I was buggin but that's what I was hearing.... glad i got my era 300s what a bog difference from the era 100s as rear surround ill grab another 2 era 300s if they do what you said . But to add as surrounds not as stereo might grab me some 5's if era 500s come out ill be saving for them i have 2 sub gen 3s I think one does the job not even sure if I hear the difference with the 2 so if I get the 5s I'll pair with one of the subs
@ I would be happy if I could add two more 300’s as surrounds also. I’m running an arc ultra, sub gen 4 and two era 300’s. I would love to add two more 300’s into the mix. Those speakers are AMAZING! I can’t imagine having two subs! One puts out ALOT of bass! 😆
@@jasondavid4375 i have arc 2 era 300s 2 era 100s and 2 sub gen 3s ... era 300s in rear era 100s as stereo in front wanna grab another 2 era 300s to put in rear as stereo not feeling the era 300s as rears especially the front speaker disabled as surrounds
@jasondavid4375 i have 2 subs i cranked them to plus 14 earlier.. omg insane still overall volume for the price i feel can be louder but the bass is insane wish front speaker played while in surrounds but until sonos fixes it won't and im sure wont fix .. I feel 300s as rears isn't as hyped as thought they sound like a whisper since it's the outside and uprising speakers only playing sounds so faint to me but when it's cranked they do sound good but im not ecstatic
The front would probably overpower the rears with the setup of era 300s on the sides of an arc soundbar. I would like to see the ability to have a 5.1 setup with the era 300s .
Above everything else, I’d love Era 200; smallish speakers with upfiring speakers. Second to that, option to easily switch your surround speakers to play stereo music separate from soundbar.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.”
I’d like this as well. I’ve noticed a huge difference in how the surrounds are used in our Ultra + Sub + Era 300’s setup recently. My wife, who does not follow anything Sonos, was listening to an Atmos track through our system and said “What’s wrong with this? It sounds better in the car.”
I really hoped that the era 100 pro would have had been outdoor rated. It would be incredibly innovative to have POE powered speakers mounted in your backyard or patio, without needing an amp and speaker wire. Just a POE injector, Ethernet like you would run a security camera, and a few decently priced speakers.
Thanks for the year end review and new year preview. I like the Ace headphones especially the sound swap with my two Beam 2 and mini sub setups. The software continues to be an issue so I didn’t go with the Arc Ultra. The Samsung bar with my other TV has had no issues after several years of use so I’m sticking with it.
When are they going to allow two sets of the Sonos Ace to pair with a compatible soundbar? Maybe they will wait a few years for the Sonos Ace 2, to make us all upgrade. Along with the long awaited True Cinema.
Great predictions. I think they need to use their new sound motion tech on all of their new speakers, especially the roam which has hardly any bass. I think everyone who has invested in a sonos home theatre would want a bigger more capable sub that could easily produce frequencies down to at least 20hz. I love the idea of an AV processor being able to use different sonos speakers for surround sound, that would be amazing.
I think a remote would be a game changer .. will sell out day 1 if not prepped for the amount they will sell usb type c charinging and with solar like the samsung remote has
I really wish they'd make a speaker that SCREWS INTO a recessed light socket. I'd sacrifice recessed lights to use existing holes and wiring to just hook in overhead speakers. Even better if the Arc Ultra would allow these to be added to the 300/sub setup. I don't get why Sonos doesn't realize that their biggest benefit is slow acquisition of additional speakers, and that many of us want to build out to an insane Atmos setup. As it stands, none of the 'predicted' items would get me to spend a dime :\
Peter, but where is a full comparison between Arc + 2xSubs + 2xEra 300 and Arc Ultra + 2xSubs + 2xEra 300? This is what your fans have been waiting for!
I know I am not Peter but I am one of the few that went from an Arc + Sub 3 + 2 x Era 300s --> Arc Ultra + Sub 4 + 2 x Era 300s. I don’t have two subs but I’ll share anyway. I feel the new Arc Ultra sounds fuller in my house. The Arc was always lacking in my space. In the past the old Arc was overpowered by my Eras. Now the new Arc is stronger than my Eras. Part of my reasons to replace my Arc was to get rid of WiFi issues I had when upgrading my router from WiFi 5 to WiFi 7. The sub I also did for future proofing / matching the matte white color. The sub feels basically the same for me which is what I expected.
I’ve noticed the same, it mostly seems to happen because either the Sonos system needs an update or the headphones need an update. The headphones don’t automatically update and if they aren’t on the most current firmware, audio swap doesn’t work. It definitely should be more seamless or at least a pop up telling you to update your firmware.
A lot of people would be happy if we could use the Full Potential of the ERA300 while used as Surround. Only 2 of the era300 speakers working in a Surround Setup is the Most stupid thing I ever heard
Can you test sonosequencrr with the beam with front era 300’s? I have it setup with my arc ultra but want to know if it uses the era 300 upward drivers with the beam.
The app is not fixed. Playlist editing is still not available and was promised to have been re-implemented by October and then pushed to December. Now I’m sure it will be pushed further into 2025. Ridiculous. And Dolby Atmos clicks off in every third song while using Apple Music. I have to pause and restart every third song to re-enable. This has been going on for months with no fix or even an acknowledgment of a problem.
IDAGIO streaming still not working either. My Sonos is effectively bricked! How on earth can it take more than 6 months to fix it?? Mr Spence is asleep at the wheel.
Tv doesn’t separate, doesn’t show on music services sometimes, volume control just disappears, can’t remove speakers without doing it manny times. Its horrible
Based on the changes to their ToS, we can expect them to continue selling our data. We can hope they'll fix the app. That's a secondary goal for Sonos. We can expect continued issues since processing is at Sonos' end, (so they can sell user's data). We can expect Spence to continue trying scummy ways to increase shareholder value at the expense of purchasers/users.
Peter, you know how much I appreciate your view. However, regarding the App, I am afraid I have to disagree. The App is not working well. Especially the management of play lists - which you say you do not use - is still very much f***kd up. To that end, Sonos is still a huge disappointment.
The Sonos app continues to be buggy on certain days. Moments when I give a voice command to Google Assistant (on my Sonos Arc & Sonos Beam) will sometimes return a response that it's not connected to the internet(?) and after a while it will be ok again. Buggy software totally ruins the premium experience 👎
1. I really wish Sonos would just give me volume sliders for center, soundbar surround, era 100/300 surround, rear surround, front height, rear height, let me customize my setup how I see fit. It's great to make things simple for people that don't want to tinker but they should just put it in a advanced tab in the app. 2. I really just want them to keep revising/improving the app. 3. Would be cool if they made a dedicated remote, that could also function as a universal remote. 4. Sonos Ace price drop needs to happen for them to be successful. At 449 they're not flying off the shelves. I think 300.00 is a more reasonable price for what they are offering. 5. Some earbuds to compete with airpod pro's would be good just scared at the price they would charge.
In GERMANY the Sonos Ace hit 333€ in most online markets. Got mine for 324€ before x-mas. Now you can even get returned ones and exhibit ones for under 300€. They don't sell really good and prices fall down. Never saw a product falling this much in price just in half a years time.
After there sh*t software blunder, I want my music library on my nas to work again!!!! I have not invested in , 1 arc, 1 playbar, 2 subs, 2 era 300, 2 one's, move 1 and move two... and not be able to play my own music anymore after there messing up the complete software. And there are still many problems with the app!!!!
Anyone saying the App is currently almost fully functional; is either intentionally lying, on the take from the company, or both! We all know it’s still buggy as hell. Which hasn’t been helped at all with the focus going back to supporting new products. I appreciate your work Peter, but it’s becoming obvious that you’re underestimating the intelligence of your viewers in this case. This can only be taken as insulting. I’ll be unsubscribing from this obviously sponsored channel now.
After all this mess I sold my Arc and left only 2x OneSL + Sub gen3 as a stereo pair. This whole app drama made me think I will stay with the classic setup. No more Sonos stuff.
Saying at the end of 2024 the app is fully functional? I would love to know what app you are using because my s2 app is as rubbish as ever! Absolute garbage!!
I appreciate your videos but everything you say is useless since the Sonos app won’t be updated. All the Sonos systems is not usable without the app. I invite you also to a verification. Which is the rating of the app in your country ? How many 5 stars judges you read ? I have 4.4 as final rate but only 1 star judges are present…….this is a fraud !!!
So can I ask, not trying to be a smart ass, genuinely curious. What did they do so bad with the app? I just bought the my first Arc 3 weeks ago. So I’m completely out the loop.
@ericu808 Sonos gets one star 🌟 on trustpilot UK.... I had just put the link here, but it looks like it was removed straight away.... There's nothing like a completely impartial reviewer! 🙄
Some new products from Sonos that I'd love to see:
1. Era 500s that can be used as main left and right speakers in a full Sonos Arc/Ultra System
2. Sub Max (double the weight and volume of the Sub 4)
3. Full DTS support (so that the Era 500s can be used for by themselves for DTS-mono, for example)
4. Sonos TV Streamer with HDMI 2.1 passthrough, also providing mitigation for Apple TV's poor sound quality and gain
5. Sonos AV AMP, so that the Sonos Amp can power a main left, centre, and right channel in an AV system, but still use the Era 300s as rear surrounds. Naturally, the Amp needs to be stable down to 4 ohms (2 ohms for short bursts), and provide full DTS support, with HDMI 2.1 passthrough.
My only reservation is the TV streamer on this list due to software issues and complications. I would love to see it, however, if this broke the app again, Sonos would be no more.
I like these recommendations. Although I will say the Sonos Subs are very impressive given their small footprints
3rd party subwoofer integration (soundbars - not just the Amp) with a “Sonos wireless kit” would go crazy
What about an Era 200? With upfiring tweeter, larger than the Era 100, but smaller than the Era 300? That would be the perfect surround speaker.
Era 400 first then a blah blah blah
If Sonos wants another GUARANTEED WIN, allow arc users the ability to add Era 300’s as designated left and right speakers. I’ll buy two more right now and I know the vast majority of their user base will do the same. No need to reinvent the wheel just give us what we want.
I added my era 100s to the front and I put my ear to it and seems to cut in and out alot often as well not like every 5 mins more like every 5 seconds not sure if I was buggin but that's what I was hearing.... glad i got my era 300s what a bog difference from the era 100s as rear surround ill grab another 2 era 300s if they do what you said . But to add as surrounds not as stereo might grab me some 5's if era 500s come out ill be saving for them i have 2 sub gen 3s I think one does the job not even sure if I hear the difference with the 2 so if I get the 5s I'll pair with one of the subs
@ I would be happy if I could add two more 300’s as surrounds also. I’m running an arc ultra, sub gen 4 and two era 300’s. I would love to add two more 300’s into the mix. Those speakers are AMAZING! I can’t imagine having two subs! One puts out ALOT of bass! 😆
@@jasondavid4375 i have arc 2 era 300s 2 era 100s and 2 sub gen 3s ... era 300s in rear era 100s as stereo in front wanna grab another 2 era 300s to put in rear as stereo not feeling the era 300s as rears especially the front speaker disabled as surrounds
@jasondavid4375 i have 2 subs i cranked them to plus 14 earlier.. omg insane still overall volume for the price i feel can be louder but the bass is insane wish front speaker played while in surrounds but until sonos fixes it won't and im sure wont fix .. I feel 300s as rears isn't as hyped as thought they sound like a whisper since it's the outside and uprising speakers only playing sounds so faint to me but when it's cranked they do sound good but im not ecstatic
The front would probably overpower the rears with the setup of era 300s on the sides of an arc soundbar.
I would like to see the ability to have a 5.1 setup with the era 300s .
A set of front speakers that sit either side of arc ultra and work in conjunction with it to widen the sound field would be great.
@@shaneallen4042 precisely! 👍
You can already do that with sonosequencrr
Above everything else, I’d love Era 200; smallish speakers with upfiring speakers. Second to that, option to easily switch your surround speakers to play stereo music separate from soundbar.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.”
Peter, would love to hear your take on the change/no change in how the drivers work on the 300s being used as surrounds?
I would also like to hear about this as well
I’d like this as well. I’ve noticed a huge difference in how the surrounds are used in our Ultra + Sub + Era 300’s setup recently. My wife, who does not follow anything Sonos, was listening to an Atmos track through our system and said “What’s wrong with this? It sounds better in the car.”
I really hoped that the era 100 pro would have had been outdoor rated. It would be incredibly innovative to have POE powered speakers mounted in your backyard or patio, without needing an amp and speaker wire. Just a POE injector, Ethernet like you would run a security camera, and a few decently priced speakers.
Thanks for the year end review and new year preview. I like the Ace headphones especially the sound swap with my two Beam 2 and mini sub setups. The software continues to be an issue so I didn’t go with the Arc Ultra. The Samsung bar with my other TV has had no issues after several years of use so I’m sticking with it.
When are they going to allow two sets of the Sonos Ace to pair with a compatible soundbar? Maybe they will wait a few years for the Sonos Ace 2, to make us all upgrade. Along with the long awaited True Cinema.
Love you Lord Peter. 😍
Great predictions. I think they need to use their new sound motion tech on all of their new speakers, especially the roam which has hardly any bass. I think everyone who has invested in a sonos home theatre would want a bigger more capable sub that could easily produce frequencies down to at least 20hz. I love the idea of an AV processor being able to use different sonos speakers for surround sound, that would be amazing.
Still missing a update on the Era300 front speakers activation like little 5 or 10% open instead totally off
I think a remote would be a game changer .. will sell out day 1 if not prepped for the amount they will sell usb type c charinging and with solar like the samsung remote has
I really wish they'd make a speaker that SCREWS INTO a recessed light socket. I'd sacrifice recessed lights to use existing holes and wiring to just hook in overhead speakers. Even better if the Arc Ultra would allow these to be added to the 300/sub setup. I don't get why Sonos doesn't realize that their biggest benefit is slow acquisition of additional speakers, and that many of us want to build out to an insane Atmos setup. As it stands, none of the 'predicted' items would get me to spend a dime :\
Peter, but where is a full comparison between Arc + 2xSubs + 2xEra 300 and Arc Ultra + 2xSubs + 2xEra 300? This is what your fans have been waiting for!
I know I am not Peter but I am one of the few that went from an Arc + Sub 3 + 2 x Era 300s --> Arc Ultra + Sub 4 + 2 x Era 300s. I don’t have two subs but I’ll share anyway.
I feel the new Arc Ultra sounds fuller in my house. The Arc was always lacking in my space. In the past the old Arc was overpowered by my Eras. Now the new Arc is stronger than my Eras.
Part of my reasons to replace my Arc was to get rid of WiFi issues I had when upgrading my router from WiFi 5 to WiFi 7. The sub I also did for future proofing / matching the matte white color.
The sub feels basically the same for me which is what I expected.
I have been waiting for the same
Peter said second sub is no longer necessary, don’t he?
Sound swap for Ace is inconsistent, many times not activating.
I’ve noticed the same, it mostly seems to happen because either the Sonos system needs an update or the headphones need an update. The headphones don’t automatically update and if they aren’t on the most current firmware, audio swap doesn’t work. It definitely should be more seamless or at least a pop up telling you to update your firmware.
Peter, i have One SL surrounds and a Gen 3 Sub. Will these speakers work well with the Arc Ultra?
A lot of people would be happy if we could use the Full Potential of the ERA300 while used as Surround.
Only 2 of the era300 speakers working in a Surround Setup is the Most stupid thing I ever heard
Anyone having dropout isues with Samsung tvs and the Arc Ultra?Have changed cables and running off of e arc.TY.
Could you tell me a configuration for sonos arc+era300+sub mini? thanks
Era 500? I guess or earbuds but the amp with the functions you said then my arc ultra is useless I setup a 4 or 6 era300 configuration
Can you test sonosequencrr with the beam with front era 300’s? I have it setup with my arc ultra but want to know if it uses the era 300 upward drivers with the beam.
I am planning to buy Sonos Arc Ultra bar..... I get an impression from your video that there's no need to add the sub woofer 4 to it..... am I right?
The sonos app doesn't work. Im more interested in when sonos is going to fix the app to connect the speakers
In ceiling atmos speakers would be welcome!
Sonos av amp would be something I would love
The app is not fixed. Playlist editing is still not available and was promised to have been re-implemented by October and then pushed to December. Now I’m sure it will be pushed further into 2025. Ridiculous. And Dolby Atmos clicks off in every third song while using Apple Music. I have to pause and restart every third song to re-enable. This has been going on for months with no fix or even an acknowledgment of a problem.
IDAGIO streaming still not working either. My Sonos is effectively bricked! How on earth can it take more than 6 months to fix it?? Mr Spence is asleep at the wheel.
Tv doesn’t separate, doesn’t show on music services sometimes, volume control just disappears, can’t remove speakers without doing it manny times. Its horrible
Hopefully get a APP that’s actually works but I guess that’s to hard.
The roam 2 was supposed to have better battery life. It doesn’t
Been asking for a while ,,,,,Do you have or can you get Sonos flag ship store's settings for the arc ultra, 2 sub gen 4’s and era 300's....
Why don't they allow 2 sub mini paired with the soundbar is beyond me.... 😢
@@dihydrotestosterone also should allow the Sub 4 to pair with a Sub Mini with your Home Theatre setup.
Based on the changes to their ToS, we can expect them to continue selling our data. We can hope they'll fix the app. That's a secondary goal for Sonos. We can expect continued issues since processing is at Sonos' end, (so they can sell user's data). We can expect Spence to continue trying scummy ways to increase shareholder value at the expense of purchasers/users.
Peter, you know how much I appreciate your view. However, regarding the App, I am afraid I have to disagree. The App is not working well. Especially the management of play lists
- which you say you do not use - is still very much f***kd up. To that end, Sonos is still a huge disappointment.
More headaches?
does someone know of they ever are going to fix the app? I HATE it
it's slow and stupid
The Sonos app continues to be buggy on certain days. Moments when I give a voice command to Google Assistant (on my Sonos Arc & Sonos Beam) will sometimes return a response that it's not connected to the internet(?) and after a while it will be ok again.
Buggy software totally ruins the premium experience 👎
I want an amp with trueplay. Give me room EQ with my own speakers so I don’t need to go out and buy a $2k amp with a $300 Dirac live license.
1. I really wish Sonos would just give me volume sliders for center, soundbar surround, era 100/300 surround, rear surround, front height, rear height, let me customize my setup how I see fit. It's great to make things simple for people that don't want to tinker but they should just put it in a advanced tab in the app.
2. I really just want them to keep revising/improving the app.
3. Would be cool if they made a dedicated remote, that could also function as a universal remote.
4. Sonos Ace price drop needs to happen for them to be successful. At 449 they're not flying off the shelves. I think 300.00 is a more reasonable price for what they are offering.
5. Some earbuds to compete with airpod pro's would be good just scared at the price they would charge.
In GERMANY the Sonos Ace hit 333€ in most online markets. Got mine for 324€ before x-mas. Now you can even get returned ones and exhibit ones for under 300€.
They don't sell really good and prices fall down. Never saw a product falling this much in price just in half a years time.
😢
After there sh*t software blunder, I want my music library on my nas to work again!!!!
I have not invested in , 1 arc, 1 playbar, 2 subs, 2 era 300, 2 one's, move 1 and move two... and not be able to play my own music anymore after there messing up the complete software.
And there are still many problems with the app!!!!
Gimme DEE TEE ESS, and ill buy a shit ton of sonos gear.
Anyone saying the App is currently almost fully functional; is either intentionally lying, on the take from the company, or both! We all know it’s still buggy as hell. Which hasn’t been helped at all with the focus going back to supporting new products. I appreciate your work Peter, but it’s becoming obvious that you’re underestimating the intelligence of your viewers in this case. This can only be taken as insulting. I’ll be unsubscribing from this obviously sponsored channel now.
Blah blah blah, sold my arc, bought q990d, set it and forget it. No More Drama !!!!! ✌️😂
After all this mess I sold my Arc and left only 2x OneSL + Sub gen3 as a stereo pair. This whole app drama made me think I will stay with the classic setup. No more Sonos stuff.
Saying at the end of 2024 the app is fully functional? I would love to know what app you are using because my s2 app is as rubbish as ever! Absolute garbage!!
I appreciate your videos but everything you say is useless since the Sonos app won’t be updated. All the Sonos systems is not usable without the app. I invite you also to a verification. Which is the rating of the app in your country ? How many 5 stars judges you read ? I have 4.4 as final rate but only 1 star judges are present…….this is a fraud !!!
Add DTSHD/DTSX…done.
The app still sucks!
Make the system work again like before the disaster update from April…. App still not as responsive as before. I stopped buying Sonos products…
After that stunt, Sonos pulled this year with the app. There's absolutely nothing they can do in 2025 that would make me stay within their ecosystem!
So can I ask, not trying to be a smart ass, genuinely curious. What did they do so bad with the app?
I just bought the my first Arc 3 weeks ago. So I’m completely out the loop.
@ericu808 Sonos gets one star 🌟 on trustpilot UK.... I had just put the link here, but it looks like it was removed straight away.... There's nothing like a completely impartial reviewer! 🙄
I’m done with Sonos
Ok Sonos get off Air now we don't what on here bye bye whoever you are on here get off TH-cam b.s