Nothing about this episode bothered me as much as the fact that Beverly was getting off to her grandmother's sex diary and NOBODY THINKS THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS.
It seems like the journal was meant to be a stand-in for a romance book. I mean, she refers to her grandmother's journal entries as 'chapters,' and the whole episode definitely has a romance novel vibe. Now that I think about it, if this was meant to be Trek does woman porn, why not just make Grandma's diary a sexy novel that comes to life via some alien that's tapping into Beverley's fantasies? That'd certainly make everyone gossiping with Beverley for the steamy details a lot less creepy ("Yes, Bev, tell us more about the horny escapades of your 100 year old grandmother and her toy-boy.")
As a man I actually unironicy love this episode and find it very erotic. But I do have a major Crush in Beverly that’s probably why. Sure it’s a bit rapey yeah but I don’t take it seriously because it’s SCI FI.
As a kid, my biggest issue is a "candle" being passed down, and burning it, its not a oil lamp that you can refill, or a candle holder... But a wax candle... It melts!
(ugh) You can _replace_ the candle you know. Because maybe it was the candle _holder_ that was possessed, and the energy from the candle flame was enough to activate the spirit/program inhabiting the metal holder (which could have been made from some extra terrestrial metal obtained from a meteorite, giving it qualities necessary for the spirit to possess).
Patrick Stewart is a God damn national treasure, it looked like he knew exactly what a POS this episode was and totally coasted through it in only a way that he could.
He has a remarkable capacity to be both entirely serious, and absolutely ridiculous in equal measure. Watching his performance in episodes he knew were ridiculous is a real joy to behold!
I got this sense of grandfatherly indulgence from him the whole time. "Yes, I'm aware there's more of grave than the grave about this episode, but Beverly gets precious few focus episodes, so dammit, we're going to let her have this."
@@SgtKaneGunlock I'm pretty sure a good amount of TOS episodes were written by actual big-name science-fiction writers, whereas TNG had a policy where they did buy fan-written scripts.
Calling shit episodes 'ascended fanfic' is insulting. There are plenty of fics that are far better than most episodes themselves. Starting with any episode penned by Rick Berman.
LOL. Yeah. It isn't that Trek couldn't be sexy. OS did it all the time (ignoring a lot of the sexism in it), and Enterprise managed it, even though it was way too obvious about it at times. DS9 and Voyager could pull it off occasionally (not counting Jeri Ryan being sexy AF without even trying to be). TNG, though? Yeah, that always kinda failed. The show just wasn't sexy, which is fine, of course.
I would argue that DS9, SNW, and Lower Decks are the only trek shows where attempts at depicting sex ARENT horribly embarrassing, though granted the other three modern shows don’t even really try to be sexy like the Berman era did
It can also refers to secret and things keep under wrap, I can understand why Beverly's Nana wouldn't want people to know about her Space Scottish Sexy Ghost Gigolo Candle
Honestly the fact that Crusher gets a self-centered story that doesn't make her an utter nagging mom or a stuck-up doctor and the writers decide to make it about her getting sexually abused and manipulated by an energy being is what gets me. Her one chance to shine and she comes off as some lovesick brainwashed sex victim that her son Wesley would hang his head in shame over.
Honestly my favorite line. "Beverly, you can't leave! Do you remember what happened last time? Do you want Poliskey to come back? Can you be so heartless?
7:08: "It's been ages since something violated me and the show sugar-coated over it, just like the chocolate I love so much...om-nom-nom-nom." Yep. That about covers it.
Hope "The child" gets a review. I loved how when Atop The Fourth Wall did that awful Avengers 200th Anniversary comic, Linkara mentioned how it had the same plot as that episode
@@Tareltonlives The child was actually a script salvaged from the submissions taken for the Unmade Star Trek Phase II series that became TMP. TNG S2 was a troubled production because of the screen writers strike. Requiring they pull old scripts out. The original 70's script had Illia the Deltan navigator be the one get pregnant. Troi was based on her character.
In a parallel universe, the same thing happened to Spock. The aniphasic entity lost interest, took the diary and left. Spock just kept saying "fascinating".
As bad as this is, at least it's got its hilarious parts. Most troubling episode for me is The Child where Troi reenacts the 200th issue of Avengers - ie she's impregnated by an alien, gives birth to a child which grows up insanely quickly and exists only to learn about how Troi and her friends take care of their young and then disappears into space forever, never to return. And everyone treats it like this glorious event in her life, and not as it should be this horrendous violation of her body and mind that any normal person would need years of therapy to fix.
Almost as bad is the satellite that implants an entire lifetime in Picard's head against his will. Between that and becoming Borg, I am surprised the man hadn't snapped by season 7.
The Federation is a very science oriented society, so I guess it's kinda an honor from that perspective. They'd get some fantastic data from that, and the Enterprise-D IS an exploration and science vessel. Still really horrifying though, not gonna lie, but with the general culture of the Federation, it kinda makes sense? Maybe?
That script was originally written for the planned “Star Trek Phase 2” which ended up not happening because they decided to make The Motion Picture instead. The character of Ilia ended up becoming Troi in TNG (just as Decker became Riker and Xon became Data).
As of this posting; last weekend was the STLV Star Trek convention, Gates McFadden has been posting pictures of herself on Twitter walking around the Con with a reproduction of the candle from this episode. Apparently they're commercially made, who would have thought?!
There's been a few, The Rock was in an episode of Voyager and a wrestler played one of those green Orion guys in an episode of Enterprise. The scene where Tpol is being auctioned off, she later kicks him in the balls.
I love that "YOUR DOOOOMED" guy dying was meant to be a sign the ghost was on the ship. Not, you know, someone yanking on the live wires of a ship powered by a god damn Matter/Anti-matter reaction.
Considering how violently those consoles spark when there's a simple power surge from ship damage, you'd think they'd have a dedicated corpse freezer right near the warp core for all the engineering Crewmen that die doing actual maintenance on the damn things. That guy should have been fried instantaneously.
3:14 Her Grandmother grew up in an era so advanced that we can't even imagine! It'd be like if I spent my golden years in a cave because I was nostalgic for fighting bears with a stick.
That's more likely than you think, plenty of people today choose to live a life similar to the past. It's not a hard thing when you still have access to modern conveniences and health care. I think it goes to show just how well off they are that entire worlds can be used for nothing more than roughing it. If you read scifi literature try Implied Spaces by Walter Jon Williams, it takes place in a future that's so advanced people are effectively immortal even if they are murdered they can be revived within a few hours. Energy is infinitely abundant and people live lives pursuing their interests, working centuries long careers then retiring just to eventually take up another interest. It opens with the main character exploring a world that exists in a man made pocket dimension that is.... and I shit you not.... an entire universe dedicated to live action roleplaying in a World of Warcraft style setting. Your mind is placed in your chosen characters body, say an ogre or a dragon... then you do your thing until you are bored! Good book. Has nothing to do with that whole concept though.
DrewLSsix it is out of place when you send people on a several light year colonization of a planet, build a weather control satellite network and then create a colony to look like Brigadoon with lamplight and crofters cottages. That's a reenactor theme park with a dome so the temperature is right and rain won't spoil the big outdoor activity. Now if you did it as they were way out past the cargo runs and had to make do with hand tools and candkes because their Roddenberry-Generators all stopped working after they crashed...then it could work.
I mean cottagecore exists. There are people who want to live a “simple”(it wasn’t) life in the country side and bake bread and manually wash their clothes(I’d prefer a cute old little washing machine 🤷♀️)and have antiques and a farm/garden
Well gates mcfadden is an amazing actress and really devotes herself to the plot, no matter how cheesy. She had me believing that green smoke was doing something to her.... LOL😝
During the show's first run, every week I'd have friends over to my apartment and we'd all watch the latest episode together. "Sub Rosa" was one of a handful where all in attendance sat there slack-jawed in disbelief at what we were seeing. Dubbed "Beverly Crusher: Ghost-F*ucker" by my ex-grilfriend, this one's right up there with "Where De White Wimmen At?" ("A Matter of Honor") and "Hey! It's Those Wacky Space-Irish!!!" ("Up the Long Ladder")
@@anodosarcade7355 the story is actually one that's fairly understandable as the show was on a breakneck production schedule and the various teams that ran the production were often given rather rough direction. And once time energy and money had been sunk there wasn't much you could do about it. In this case I believe the aliens were described as vaguely tribal and one of the main alien characters was to be cast as black. That turned into "they want us to cast a bunch of black people" by the casting people and the tribal thing just kinda fleshed the whole thing out. If the aliens were supposed to be a metropolitan high technology hub of science I don't think it would have struck quite the same offensive chord. Same thing if the aliens were given the standard trek alien look of random prosthetic and inhuman skin tone.
@@DrewLSsix Apparently the director of that episode was a racist fuckwit too, thus why they were Space Africans. I couldn't handle that episode, it's fucken atrocious.
Use that for your text alert, and for your ringtone, use the noise he makes in season 1 when Beverly Crusher was hitting on Jean-Luc, and he makes that weird and loud vocal noise.
"Sub rosa" is a Latin phrase that means "in secret". It literally translates to "under the rose" because a rose used be a symbol of secrecy. It's pretty much the same as saying "on the down-low" in Modern English. Because granny was boinking ghost dude on the down low, yo. Or rather, secretly getting manipulated and exploited be the asshole. Sounds much less funny when you call a spade a spade. And by "spade" I mean rape. What the hell were they thinking? Jeri Taylor wrote this, Jonathan Frakes directed! What the hell, Number One?
Crusher: "I am a Woman of Science and Ghosts are absurd!" Q: "TIME FOR A PARTY!" *The Bridge is now occupied by dancing Cactus playing musical instruments wearing Sombreros* Crusher: "Yes this is perfectly reasonable and I'm fine with it."
So what's weirder: a bunch of future humans basically LARPing as 19th century Scottish people, or aliens living among those humans and fully embracing all the cabertossing and tweed wearing, even if it's literally alien history?
Definitely the human LARPers. To the aliens, this is at least "exotic." I can totally buy the idea of alien McWeebs. But the humans who go along with it? Not so much.
i am fehkin HOLLERIN at the line " fell asleep after a particularly erotic entry in my grandmother's journal " how do you not hurl the book across the room when you get to your nana's home brew 50 shades fan fic??? im ded!!!!!
It looked like she was about to do the "Bilbo Baggins Refusing To Give Up The Ring" face. (I would have reassessed my whole bad opinion of this abortion of an episode for THAT.)
who models a colony after Scotland if rain will prevent anything. In fact, if it's raining 360 days a year then the weather controller is working perfectly for Scotland
Ensign Johnson, Worf just got done and due to his Klingon anatomy being redundant, he has twice the amount of...er…never mind. Just bring in twice the cleaning supplies. You'll see.
They worried about the caber toss being cancelled by rain ? Obviously the writers have never been to Scotland . It rarely does anytthing else but piss down ( and I know because I am Scots ).
If you live in Edinburgh (sorry, Embra) it’s quite sunny. And hot. And dreich. And most of us do not wear bunnets like that caretaker or whatever he is. Still, Planet Scotland is a nice idea.
3 Inch Mensch At least there's Remember Me and that time she taught Data to tap dance, which I found insanely cute. I'm only on S4 so its sad she gets an ep focused on her later and its this. Ew.
The best part about this episode is the fact that it exists. A bunch of writers sat around a table and decided that THIS is a story that deserved to be told.
"I'd read two chapters!" The way she says that made me laugh so hard 🤣 Also, her zombie witch grandmother with avada kedavra sith lightning is hilarious in so many ways 🤣
This is the BEST review of "Subrosa" possible!! Hands down! I've watched it more than 10 times and the jokes get you every time!! There's so many ridiculous things about this episode that I didn't take into consideration! And I feel like Marina Sirtis herself would get a kick out your Deanna Troi impression!
Being bald is the secret to agelessness. Nobody notices graying hairs or a receding hairline if there wasn't anything there in the first place. He also smokes a lot of weed these days so that may help.
Wait, what if Wesley never marries? When Beverly dies is Ghost Fabio going to try putting the moves on Wesley? Asking him to light the candle? (And is Wes going to read Beverly's ghost sex journals?)
"Damn, forgot busting makes you feel good" "That's the last Caber Toss you'll ruin you son of a bitch!" Talk about a one-two punch. You had me dying. Well done.
Well, Patrick Stewart is English and Jean-Luc Picard is French, so I don't any reason for that to happen other than Patrick Stewart totally would do it if he was asked to.
This combined with SFDebris' analysis of this episode is great. Granted he focused on the more problematic aspects of the episode overall and you just went straight for the humor regarding its unintentional hilarity. Kudos Lupa!
Ah yes, the episode where Deanna is CLEARLY annoyed that she didn’t get to sleep with Beverly first And another exciting edition of “all Geordi and Data get this week is technobabble and busy work” I don’t even remember if Riker and Worf were in this thing
"I've done far worse than kill you.. I've _hurt_ you. And I wish to go on.. _hurting_ you. I will do to you what you've done to me: forced to watch an episode about about a woman, falling in love with a ghost candle.. burning _a lie_ ... _[voice drops to a menacing whisper]_ burning _a lie_ ..."
The way she just brushes it off at the end as "well, at least nana was happy" was the funniest part of all. (Although your narration of it was even funnier). If this happened to anyone and they found out a parasitic life form had been feeding off their family for centuries there would have been some major therapy in their future...
My personal favorite Beverly episode has to be Remember Me: the one where she gets gaslit by her own personal mini-universe only to be saved by her son and the return of Traveling No-Touch
I could see that - ghost with sexual powers, possessing a family heirloom passed down through generations, draining/sustaining on the women of a family, from Scotland, since the 17th century... I think I got all of that right, yes? I admit Ann Rice's books are not among my strong points. Except she actually understood the implications of what the ghost did, thus writing a horror novel, not some semi-romantic crap that brushes all the bad aside with a "whatever he did to her he made her very happy."
@@FuugaNatsu I think that was the point. I just posted a comment here about how I enjoyed this episode as a parody of the supernatural romance genre. Crusher might have enjoyed the addictive pleasures afforded by the ghost, but once it started killing people it was time to set the phasers to max and start the ghostbusting.
@@magesentron I was just wondering if Rice wouldn't have caused a stink about this, considering her attitude towards anything that even remotely smells like plagiarism or copyright infringement. And I guess she did 😄
The absolutely absurd mental image of Dr Crusher falling in love with a candle had me howling with laughter... then I remember that there was an actual TNG episode with this exact premise... and started laughing even more. To be honest I really did enjoy this episode quite a bit just for it sheer lunacy (the part where Crusher's dead grandmother jumps out of her coffin to flirt with her was a personal highlight).
"Medical exposition dump" "Its a story that makes you wish you knew less!" I'd get carpal tunnel if I typed out every quote that made me chortle. Loving these reviews, thank you much!!!
Spock's Brain to me is like The Trouble With Tribbles in that both were written as comedies with the deliberate intent of being funny. Brain and Brain what is brain!! 😁
"I could just tell you exactly what it is instead of speaking cryptically, but then I'd actually be useful" is so applicable to every dream sequence in Twin Peaks that I can't see them any other way now 😂
What they should have done at the end was have someone rip off the ghost's mask and underneath it be Ned Quint, who says "And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for them meddling Starfleet officers".
I don't think I comment enough on these videos to tell you how much I love them. I love them. The episode was amazing and the "what'd i miss" "UMMMM" joke was perfectly timed. Thanks for all your hard work.
I think the best job in Starfleet would be whatever clerk reads and records ships' logs for posterity. I''d bet this mission is one of those that gets read at the SFHQ office parties.
DeAnna and the chocolate. When you watch all the seasons in a row, her 1 dimensional personally "I like chocolate" is just exhausting and stupid. She deserved so much more.
I love this! I know it wasn't the worst episode, but there's a scene in "Masks" where Sir Patrick Stewart is holding some alien obelisk like a dong. And Jonathan Frakes is trying so hard not to laugh.
It only occurs to me having watched "A Night in Sickbay" just before this video that these BOTH involve funerals followed by tv-friendly erotica. Coincidence???? I think not!
Hilarious video! I believe the idea in this book of a ghost seducing a human was very popular at the time this was made because of the book"The witching Hour", which came out in 90, and the follow up book"Lasher" which came out in 93.Written by Anne Rice, both were about a woman who is seduced by a ghost who has seduced several of the women in her family line over the years. The ghost eventually, with her help, incarnates into a physical body and all hell ensues.When I first saw Sub Rosa, that's immediately what I got out of it. Your take down is awesome. I never enjoyed this episode so much as watching your review of it.
I have had parasitic boyfriends before and I just had to laugh when he said “I love you. I’m going to take care of you”. Yeah, like he can keep his corporeal form long enough to go out, get a job and support her. Lol
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If only you could video reply in comments, because Roxie from Scott Pilgrim vs the World going mmmmhmmmm with eyebrow raised is so very appropriate
Think Patrick Stewart had that reaction when he read the script?
Say what you will, Beverly's hair looked so good in this episode. The curls, the volume. Ghost boinking does wonders for that hair!
I think Gates is very attractive.
I also love her outfits in this episode. I would imagine the costume department was so happy to provide something other than uniforms.
yeah I noticed her hair looked good in this one as well. lol.
She often had to downplay her natural beauty to be the stern mom to Wesley and unaware side character unless it was a Beverly episode.
Agreed, McFadden has always been a very handsome woman.
Nothing about this episode bothered me as much as the fact that Beverly was getting off to her grandmother's sex diary and NOBODY THINKS THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS.
Sam K totally right!😝
People are weird in the future.
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It seems like the journal was meant to be a stand-in for a romance book. I mean, she refers to her grandmother's journal entries as 'chapters,' and the whole episode definitely has a romance novel vibe. Now that I think about it, if this was meant to be Trek does woman porn, why not just make Grandma's diary a sexy novel that comes to life via some alien that's tapping into Beverley's fantasies? That'd certainly make everyone gossiping with Beverley for the steamy details a lot less creepy ("Yes, Bev, tell us more about the horny escapades of your 100 year old grandmother and her toy-boy.")
THIS.. So This.. I actually had to pause for a moment when Deanna's response AS A COUNSELOR was "read two chapters" for a better sex dream.
i love that everyone just kinda ignores that beverlys family apparently made first contact
As a man I actually unironicy love this episode and find it very erotic. But I do have a major Crush in Beverly that’s probably why. Sure it’s a bit rapey yeah but I don’t take it seriously because it’s SCI FI.
And a far more intimate first contact than with the Vulkans.
Based on TOS, First Contact was made way before that because the Greek gods were aliens. Episode "Who Mourns for Adonais"
HA! Awesome. 😂
Weather control... To prevent rain... When theming your colony on 18th century Scotland.
The theme park version not actual Scotland. There not monsters.
The theme park version not actual Scotland. There not monsters.
And it was installed during the late tmp era.
No! More rain!
But..the caber toss!
As a kid, my biggest issue is a "candle" being passed down, and burning it, its not a oil lamp that you can refill, or a candle holder... But a wax candle... It melts!
Not if it's plasma-based!
That good old 1600's plasma, they don't make 'em like they used to!
My question was “ why didn’t anyone ever notice this” especially something going on since the 1600’s.
Movie Nights I don’t think a small bit plasma could last for almost a thousand years. Not an expert on it.
(ugh) You can _replace_ the candle you know. Because maybe it was the candle _holder_ that was possessed, and the energy from the candle flame was enough to activate the spirit/program inhabiting the metal holder (which could have been made from some extra terrestrial metal obtained from a meteorite, giving it qualities necessary for the spirit to possess).
Patrick Stewart is a God damn national treasure, it looked like he knew exactly what a POS this episode was and totally coasted through it in only a way that he could.
He has a remarkable capacity to be both entirely serious, and absolutely ridiculous in equal measure.
Watching his performance in episodes he knew were ridiculous is a real joy to behold!
He saved his real talent for the emoji movie when he plays the pool one.
That's like an acting Judo move right there.
It's like he's trying not to crack up during this one. The guy is amazing. The man was in the EMOJI MOVIE and still gave a performance.
I got this sense of grandfatherly indulgence from him the whole time.
"Yes, I'm aware there's more of grave than the grave about this episode, but Beverly gets precious few focus episodes, so dammit, we're going to let her have this."
McFadden deserved an emmy for doing this episode with a straight face.
I think someone wrote a fan fiction, and it somehow ended up as an episode.
It's actually a complete ripoff of a supernatural romance novel, the Witching Hour
im prety sure thats how half the episodes of TOS and TNG were written
@@SgtKaneGunlock I'm pretty sure a good amount of TOS episodes were written by actual big-name science-fiction writers, whereas TNG had a policy where they did buy fan-written scripts.
Well to be fair, most of the shit episodes of tng were ascended fanfic
Calling shit episodes 'ascended fanfic' is insulting. There are plenty of fics that are far better than most episodes themselves.
Starting with any episode penned by Rick Berman.
Star Trek: The Next Generation was never weirder or more awkward than when it was trying hard to be sexy.
LOL. Yeah. It isn't that Trek couldn't be sexy. OS did it all the time (ignoring a lot of the sexism in it), and Enterprise managed it, even though it was way too obvious about it at times. DS9 and Voyager could pull it off occasionally (not counting Jeri Ryan being sexy AF without even trying to be). TNG, though? Yeah, that always kinda failed. The show just wasn't sexy, which is fine, of course.
I would argue that DS9, SNW, and Lower Decks are the only trek shows where attempts at depicting sex ARENT horribly embarrassing, though granted the other three modern shows don’t even really try to be sexy like the Berman era did
This was hilarious.
Aw thanks!!
Love your accents!!
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ha its funny i was watching this thinking her writing style and speaking voice reminds me of Pushing up Roses
yeah, sub rosa was bunk
"Hey remember that time Crusher fell in love with a sentient fart cloud that came from a candle?"
Gotta love that the Latin translation of this episode is literally 'UNDER THE ROSE BUSH' that says it all
Lol good one
It can also refers to secret and things keep under wrap, I can understand why Beverly's Nana wouldn't want people to know about her Space Scottish Sexy Ghost Gigolo Candle
I thought Picard going "HMMM" would get old, but I laughed every time.
Picard: "Hmmm..."
Picard's Thoughts: "Must get some Brain Bleach from ship's stores."
Honestly the fact that Crusher gets a self-centered story that doesn't make her an utter nagging mom or a stuck-up doctor and the writers decide to make it about her getting sexually abused and manipulated by an energy being is what gets me. Her one chance to shine and she comes off as some lovesick brainwashed sex victim that her son Wesley would hang his head in shame over.
I dunno. There was that episode where everyone in the universe was disappearing and only Dr. Crusher was aware of it.
@@duanebarry2817 Yeah that is actually a pretty decent episode. Though the traveler is such the pedo.
Honestly my favorite line.
"Beverly, you can't leave! Do you remember what happened last time? Do you want Poliskey to come back? Can you be so heartless?
"Forgot bustin' makes you feel good."
- I'm dead.
7:08: "It's been ages since something violated me and the show sugar-coated over it, just like the chocolate I love so much...om-nom-nom-nom." Yep. That about covers it.
Hope "The child" gets a review. I loved how when Atop The Fourth Wall did that awful Avengers 200th Anniversary comic, Linkara mentioned how it had the same plot as that episode
But at least they didn't play those violations for laughs...unlike a certain early episode of Enterprise.
@@Tareltonlives The child was actually a script salvaged from the submissions taken for the Unmade Star Trek Phase II series that became TMP. TNG S2 was a troubled production because of the screen writers strike. Requiring they pull old scripts out. The original 70's script had Illia the Deltan navigator be the one get pregnant. Troi was based on her character.
@@JeffreyPiatt Wow, so it's so bad it's connected to The Motion Picture
In a parallel universe, the same thing happened to Spock. The aniphasic entity lost interest, took the diary and left. Spock just kept saying "fascinating".
"Timed it wrong, I went through pon farr like a YEAR ago."
As bad as this is, at least it's got its hilarious parts. Most troubling episode for me is The Child where Troi reenacts the 200th issue of Avengers - ie she's impregnated by an alien, gives birth to a child which grows up insanely quickly and exists only to learn about how Troi and her friends take care of their young and then disappears into space forever, never to return.
And everyone treats it like this glorious event in her life, and not as it should be this horrendous violation of her body and mind that any normal person would need years of therapy to fix.
Almost as bad is the satellite that implants an entire lifetime in Picard's head against his will. Between that and becoming Borg, I am surprised the man hadn't snapped by season 7.
Pretty sure she needs even more therapy then after the psychic rape by clone Picard
The Federation is a very science oriented society, so I guess it's kinda an honor from that perspective. They'd get some fantastic data from that, and the Enterprise-D IS an exploration and science vessel.
Still really horrifying though, not gonna lie, but with the general culture of the Federation, it kinda makes sense? Maybe?
That script was originally written for the planned “Star Trek Phase 2” which ended up not happening because they decided to make The Motion Picture instead. The character of Ilia ended up becoming Troi in TNG (just as Decker became Riker and Xon became Data).
Except that the episode spares us from Troi's offspring turning into her lover, like the case of Ms. Marvel's offspring.
the timeless story of a doctor and a Scottish sex candle
.... tastefully filmed by Groundskeeper Willy ("Yer all PURRRRRRVERTS").
Tale as old as time ♫
Song as old as rhyme♫
Space Doctor and the Scottish sex Candle♫
Still a better love story than "Twilight". 😋
As of this posting; last weekend was the STLV Star Trek convention, Gates McFadden has been posting pictures of herself on Twitter walking around the Con with a reproduction of the candle from this episode. Apparently they're commercially made, who would have thought?!
I love how hot this starts off 'I'm not a Trekkie, I'm a Scott Bakula fan' 🔥🔥
Jay, you animal, ya. There has to have been a wrestler in star trek that could be covered on o-s-dub.
@@LaNoLaCola The Rock had a cameo on Voyager, when Smackdown started airing on UPN
There's been a few, The Rock was in an episode of Voyager and a wrestler played one of those green Orion guys in an episode of Enterprise. The scene where Tpol is being auctioned off, she later kicks him in the balls.
I love that "YOUR DOOOOMED" guy dying was meant to be a sign the ghost was on the ship. Not, you know, someone yanking on the live wires of a ship powered by a god damn Matter/Anti-matter reaction.
Considering how violently those consoles spark when there's a simple power surge from ship damage, you'd think they'd have a dedicated corpse freezer right near the warp core for all the engineering Crewmen that die doing actual maintenance on the damn things. That guy should have been fried instantaneously.
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Her Grandmother grew up in an era so advanced that we can't even imagine! It'd be like if I spent my golden years in a cave because I was nostalgic for fighting bears with a stick.
They really should check all the houses, how do we know this place wasnt started by a bunch of parasitic ghosts?
That's more likely than you think, plenty of people today choose to live a life similar to the past. It's not a hard thing when you still have access to modern conveniences and health care. I think it goes to show just how well off they are that entire worlds can be used for nothing more than roughing it.
If you read scifi literature try Implied Spaces by Walter Jon Williams, it takes place in a future that's so advanced people are effectively immortal even if they are murdered they can be revived within a few hours. Energy is infinitely abundant and people live lives pursuing their interests, working centuries long careers then retiring just to eventually take up another interest.
It opens with the main character exploring a world that exists in a man made pocket dimension that is.... and I shit you not.... an entire universe dedicated to live action roleplaying in a World of Warcraft style setting. Your mind is placed in your chosen characters body, say an ogre or a dragon... then you do your thing until you are bored!
Good book. Has nothing to do with that whole concept though.
DrewLSsix it is out of place when you send people on a several light year colonization of a planet, build a weather control satellite network and then create a colony to look like Brigadoon with lamplight and crofters cottages. That's a reenactor theme park with a dome so the temperature is right and rain won't spoil the big outdoor activity.
Now if you did it as they were way out past the cargo runs and had to make do with hand tools and candkes because their Roddenberry-Generators all stopped working after they crashed...then it could work.
Hey some people do that.
I mean cottagecore exists. There are people who want to live a “simple”(it wasn’t) life in the country side and bake bread and manually wash their clothes(I’d prefer a cute old little washing machine 🤷♀️)and have antiques and a farm/garden
Well gates mcfadden is an amazing actress and really devotes herself to the plot, no matter how cheesy. She had me believing that green smoke was doing something to her.... LOL😝
Seriously. I'd watch Gates McFadden in a love scene with anyone or anything, any day of the week.
Imagine Plank Muldaur trying to em, 'act' in this one!
During the show's first run, every week I'd have friends over to my apartment and we'd all watch the latest episode together. "Sub Rosa" was one of a handful where all in attendance sat there slack-jawed in disbelief at what we were seeing. Dubbed "Beverly Crusher: Ghost-F*ucker" by my ex-grilfriend, this one's right up there with "Where De White Wimmen At?" ("A Matter of Honor") and "Hey! It's Those Wacky Space-Irish!!!" ("Up the Long Ladder")
LOLOL Beverly Crusher: Ghost-F*ucker
@@julianm3912 Good imprint title, but you'd probably be sued by Marvel Comics...
Where da white women at
I still don't understand how that ...got made....as a star trek episode
@@anodosarcade7355 the story is actually one that's fairly understandable as the show was on a breakneck production schedule and the various teams that ran the production were often given rather rough direction. And once time energy and money had been sunk there wasn't much you could do about it.
In this case I believe the aliens were described as vaguely tribal and one of the main alien characters was to be cast as black. That turned into "they want us to cast a bunch of black people" by the casting people and the tribal thing just kinda fleshed the whole thing out. If the aliens were supposed to be a metropolitan high technology hub of science I don't think it would have struck quite the same offensive chord. Same thing if the aliens were given the standard trek alien look of random prosthetic and inhuman skin tone.
@@DrewLSsix Apparently the director of that episode was a racist fuckwit too, thus why they were Space Africans. I couldn't handle that episode, it's fucken atrocious.
I want to make Picards aroused approval noise my ringtone or text alert.
Use that for your text alert, and for your ringtone, use the noise he makes in season 1 when Beverly Crusher was hitting on Jean-Luc, and he makes that weird and loud vocal noise.
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I have Picard’s voice saying to “open a hailing frequency” when I get a text.
What makes Science Fiction amazing is that it can be combined with any other genre.
Star Trek has repetedly proven Gothic Romance is the exception.
hahaha
I want to see Star Trek in the style of Edgar Allen Poe. Maybe this was it. Maybe I regret it already.
I'll never understand, nor remember the title of this episode. This will always be referred by me as "Gramma's Sloppy Seconds".
How about "Beverly does Space Ghost coast to coast"?
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"The One About Female Orgasms"
"Sub rosa" is a Latin phrase that means "in secret". It literally translates to "under the rose" because a rose used be a symbol of secrecy. It's pretty much the same as saying "on the down-low" in Modern English.
Because granny was boinking ghost dude on the down low, yo. Or rather, secretly getting manipulated and exploited be the asshole. Sounds much less funny when you call a spade a spade. And by "spade" I mean rape.
What the hell were they thinking? Jeri Taylor wrote this, Jonathan Frakes directed! What the hell, Number One?
Crusher: "I am a Woman of Science and Ghosts are absurd!"
Q: "TIME FOR A PARTY!"
*The Bridge is now occupied by dancing Cactus playing musical instruments wearing Sombreros*
Crusher: "Yes this is perfectly reasonable and I'm fine with it."
Doctor Proteus you gotta draw the line somewhere
To be fair, that was the most awesome moment in all of Trek.
"Riker, You Get Twins!" "Screw off Q." "Fine." 'Worf gets the twins.
@@dragonsword7370 I loved Worf's reaction when Q made them disappear. He looked so disappointed...
So what's weirder: a bunch of future humans basically LARPing as 19th century Scottish people, or aliens living among those humans and fully embracing all the cabertossing and tweed wearing, even if it's literally alien history?
Definitely the human LARPers. To the aliens, this is at least "exotic." I can totally buy the idea of alien McWeebs. But the humans who go along with it? Not so much.
@@Talisguy It was the whole premise of The Squire of Gothos!
"Last Caber toss you'll ruin" just had me cracking up laughing
i am fehkin HOLLERIN at the line " fell asleep after a particularly erotic entry in my grandmother's journal " how do you not hurl the book across the room when you get to your nana's home brew 50 shades fan fic??? im ded!!!!!
How do you not hurl _into_ the book?
I'll never forget that zombie grandma's warcry of WERTHERS
It looked like she was about to do the "Bilbo Baggins Refusing To Give Up The Ring" face.
(I would have reassessed my whole bad opinion of this abortion of an episode for THAT.)
Patrick Stewart’s “Mmmmmhhh” reminds me of the Chamberlain Skeksis from The Dark Crystal.
Excellent comment. Especially since we got the new Netflix series and youtube just recommended me this channel.
Just Some Guy with Sunglasses I sall a little bit of it, disappointed by the cgi
who models a colony after Scotland if rain will prevent anything. In fact, if it's raining 360 days a year then the weather controller is working perfectly for Scotland
you makes the BEST Star Trek commentary videos ever. I mean it.
thank you!
That technobabble montage was beautiful.
"that's the last cabre toss YOU'LL RUIN YOU SOAB" LMAOOOO 😂😂😂
If fake men can get Dr. Crusher going then all she really needs is a hot holodeck program. Hell, Riker does it, so why not her?
So does Geordi.
God, the holodeck must be filthy. Data is probably the only one regularly using it for something other than masturbation.
We all know Data did some self love there too. For "research", of course. He's trying to become more human.
Oh, I have no doubt that he did, too. Just that he's probably not doing it all the time like everyone else is.
I don't envy whatever ensign who is on cleanup detail for the holodeck
Ensign Johnson, Worf just got done and due to his Klingon anatomy being redundant, he has twice the amount of...er…never mind. Just bring in twice the cleaning supplies. You'll see.
my boyfriend just laughed himself to tears with Picards "HHHhhhhhmmmmmhhh!"
They worried about the caber toss being cancelled by rain ? Obviously the writers have never been to Scotland . It rarely does anytthing else but piss down ( and I know because I am Scots ).
john hart I.know!!
You've watched Caber Tosses in the rain? Cool!
Great now I’m imagining that your two Scots in a trench coat
If you live in Edinburgh (sorry, Embra) it’s quite sunny. And hot. And dreich. And most of us do not wear bunnets like that caretaker or whatever he is. Still, Planet Scotland is a nice idea.
You should come down to Wales, we have 4 seasons in one day. Getting dressed is a daily nightmare.
“This is how Picard goes! Knocked flat on his ass by candle ghost!”
Well, more dignified than Star Trek: Picard anyway.
Call an ambulance for that third degree burn
Better than a taxidermy juice dog.
"DINNA LITE THA CANDLE!!!!!!!"
YUR DOOOOMED!
@@ShadowSonic2 "DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!"
Oh man, Sub Rosa ...
They give Gates McFadden a chance to carry an episode, and she's handed this.
Edit: MMMmmm
3 Inch Mensch At least there's Remember Me and that time she taught Data to tap dance, which I found insanely cute. I'm only on S4 so its sad she gets an ep focused on her later and its this. Ew.
There is also Suspicions in season six.
I feel sorry for her-she's not a bad actress, but Dr. Crusher is a very dull character.
3 Inch Mensch they let bev drive an episode: This
They let Troi drive the ship..... : fug
Remember Me
The best part about this episode is the fact that it exists. A bunch of writers sat around a table and decided that THIS is a story that deserved to be told.
"I'd read two chapters!"
The way she says that made me laugh so hard 🤣
Also, her zombie witch grandmother with avada kedavra sith lightning is hilarious in so many ways 🤣
This is the BEST review of "Subrosa" possible!! Hands down! I've watched it more than 10 times and the jokes get you every time!! There's so many ridiculous things about this episode that I didn't take into consideration! And I feel like Marina Sirtis herself would get a kick out your Deanna Troi impression!
The guy playing Ned Quint was also the old man in the beginning of Leprechaun. Always there for a Irish stereotype role.
wstine79 DINNA LIGHT THA CONDLE!!
He's Scottish
Wouldn't he be a SCOTTISH stereotype?
I swear Patrick Stewart is immortal or bathing in the blood of unicorns or something. Does he have the One Ring in his pocket?
Tadicuslegion78 you’re right, The Man doesn’t age. He’s been consistently bald, ageless, and awesome for 50 years.
Being bald is the secret to agelessness. Nobody notices graying hairs or a receding hairline if there wasn't anything there in the first place. He also smokes a lot of weed these days so that may help.
He does look old as hell for his role in Logan
His earl grey is a horcrux
Ian must have passed it to him
Wait, what if Wesley never marries? When Beverly dies is Ghost Fabio going to try putting the moves on Wesley? Asking him to light the candle? (And is Wes going to read Beverly's ghost sex journals?)
"What are you doing in such a filthy uniform?"
Wesley has his own sex ghost he’s called the traveler
Lucky by this time Wesley Crusher already Galaxy hopping with the Alien traveler. We have no idea where he might be now.
Oh, Wes gonna light that candle with shear joy in his heart. LOL
Picard: mmmmhmmm
"Damn, forgot busting makes you feel good" "That's the last Caber Toss you'll ruin you son of a bitch!"
Talk about a one-two punch. You had me dying. Well done.
Allison, you’re content is consistently painfully funny
You are content.
Painfully unfunny?
Really good editing in this one. Sub Rosa's easily the worst/craziest/silliest episode in TNG for me, maybe the entire canon. Happy to see it here.
I envy you for not seeing code of honor, Justice or shades of grey
Eric Morales I was just about to say it’s up there with Shades of Grey lol
Wow. Ghost Fabio is Dracula from The Monster Squad. Now that's funny.
And Zorro from the new adventures of Zorro.
And reappeared in 3 DS9 episodes as Shakaar.
Wait an episode set in Space Scotland with Sir Patrick Stewart not in a kilt...
that’s the most disappointing thing in this whole episode
Well, Patrick Stewart is English and Jean-Luc Picard is French, so I don't any reason for that to happen other than Patrick Stewart totally would do it if he was asked to.
It's a shame we never got to see him tossing the Captain's log.
lol
TNG is about my favorite show up there with Twin Peaks. Sub Rosa was them doing a steamy romance novel...last season so they did whatever they wanted
This combined with SFDebris' analysis of this episode is great. Granted he focused on the more problematic aspects of the episode overall and you just went straight for the humor regarding its unintentional hilarity. Kudos Lupa!
"That's not true. Nana's dead."
Ah yes, the episode where Deanna is CLEARLY annoyed that she didn’t get to sleep with Beverly first
And another exciting edition of “all Geordi and Data get this week is technobabble and busy work”
I don’t even remember if Riker and Worf were in this thing
KHAAAAAAAN!!!! DLLLEEEE!!!
"I've done far worse than kill you.. I've _hurt_ you. And I wish to go on.. _hurting_ you. I will do to you what you've done to me: forced to watch an episode about about a woman, falling in love with a ghost candle.. burning _a lie_ ... _[voice drops to a menacing whisper]_ burning _a lie_ ..."
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I'm dead😂😂
The way she just brushes it off at the end as "well, at least nana was happy" was the funniest part of all. (Although your narration of it was even funnier). If this happened to anyone and they found out a parasitic life form had been feeding off their family for centuries there would have been some major therapy in their future...
Is it true that you keep Phelan in a flashlight and that he has been part of the Pregler family for generations?
My personal favorite Beverly episode has to be Remember Me: the one where she gets gaslit by her own personal mini-universe only to be saved by her son and the return of Traveling No-Touch
Allison Pregler... your one stop cure for chronic pain...
Thank you, as ever!
"Big old fart cloud of deceit." Hahahaha. Oh gosh. I may look 50 but I'm still about 9 years old.
This was brilliant.
Showing my age here but I saw this episode when it first aired and several of us agreed it was a rip off of Anne Rice's book, The Witching Hour.
I could see that - ghost with sexual powers, possessing a family heirloom passed down through generations, draining/sustaining on the women of a family, from Scotland, since the 17th century... I think I got all of that right, yes? I admit Ann Rice's books are not among my strong points.
Except she actually understood the implications of what the ghost did, thus writing a horror novel, not some semi-romantic crap that brushes all the bad aside with a "whatever he did to her he made her very happy."
She sued over this episode and got a partial credit.
@@FuugaNatsu I think that was the point. I just posted a comment here about how I enjoyed this episode as a parody of the supernatural romance genre. Crusher might have enjoyed the addictive pleasures afforded by the ghost, but once it started killing people it was time to set the phasers to max and start the ghostbusting.
@@magesentron I was just wondering if Rice wouldn't have caused a stink about this, considering her attitude towards anything that even remotely smells like plagiarism or copyright infringement. And I guess she did 😄
@@Khenfu_Cake Rice sued the studio and they settled out of court. She has a mention in the credits.
The absolutely absurd mental image of Dr Crusher falling in love with a candle had me howling with laughter... then I remember that there was an actual TNG episode with this exact premise... and started laughing even more. To be honest I really did enjoy this episode quite a bit just for it sheer lunacy (the part where Crusher's dead grandmother jumps out of her coffin to flirt with her was a personal highlight).
"Medical exposition dump"
"Its a story that makes you wish you knew less!"
I'd get carpal tunnel if I typed out every quote that made me chortle. Loving these reviews, thank you much!!!
Spock’s Brain: I’m the worst Trek episode ever.
Sub Rosa: Hold my candle.
Spock's Brain to me is like The Trouble With Tribbles in that both were written as comedies with the deliberate intent of being funny. Brain and Brain what is brain!! 😁
Oh my God... Troi's chocolate love was a drum they banged incessantly.
That was a GREAT Troi impression!
I really shouldn't have listened to this in a quiet office, because 'RAIN?!?! RUING THE CAPER TOSS?!?!?!?! FUCK!!!!!' made me laugh Way too loud 😂😂
Season 7 of TNG was pretty much the writers saying, "Sorry, folks... we're running out of ideas."
The writers more or less admitted they should've ended at Season 6.
But still was better than the first 2 seasons
This is the funniest take on Sub Rosa I’ve ever seen! Love it!
"I could just tell you exactly what it is instead of speaking cryptically, but then I'd actually be useful" is so applicable to every dream sequence in Twin Peaks that I can't see them any other way now 😂
i don't know why that Federation of fools line is so funny but it cracks me up every time.
What they should have done at the end was have someone rip off the ghost's mask and underneath it be Ned Quint, who says "And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for them meddling Starfleet officers".
I don't think I comment enough on these videos to tell you how much I love them. I love them. The episode was amazing and the "what'd i miss" "UMMMM" joke was perfectly timed. Thanks for all your hard work.
the commentary on this episode makes me happy
The most refreshing and hilarious take on star trek i have ever seen! Faf
Please don't let this be a one off!
This is the most amazing thing you have ever done!
One of my favorite videos on this channel. It's a crime MMMMM isn't a meme
This was my favorite "The Orville" episode..
This was shockingly golden. thank you.
This is one of Gates McFadden's favourite episodes... Magical!
I think the best job in Starfleet would be whatever clerk reads and records ships' logs for posterity. I''d bet this mission is one of those that gets read at the SFHQ office parties.
DeAnna and the chocolate. When you watch all the seasons in a row, her 1 dimensional personally "I like chocolate" is just exhausting and stupid. She deserved so much more.
I've been binging my way through TNG, and just waiting for this episode so I could watch your review. Neither disappointed.
'you no take candle!' - Beverly Kobold
Gordi: "I got shocked by a dead grandma, thats what I did today.."
I guess that's the nice way of describing how he got knocked on his ass by Beverly's dead grandma.
Thank you TH-cam recommended feed for introducing me to this channel...my GF & I enjoyed this vid immensely. Can't wait for parts 2 & 3!!!!
Thanks, hope you enjoy!
I love this! I know it wasn't the worst episode, but there's a scene in "Masks" where Sir Patrick Stewart is holding some alien obelisk like a dong. And Jonathan Frakes is trying so hard not to laugh.
It only occurs to me having watched "A Night in Sickbay" just before this video that these BOTH involve funerals followed by tv-friendly erotica. Coincidence???? I think not!
All the doctors are kinda horny in Trek
10:33 "Fart cloud of deceit." Best line ever! Also, I am never drinking anything while watching your videos again.
Hilarious video! I believe the idea in this book of a ghost seducing a human was very popular at the time this was made because of the book"The witching Hour", which came out in 90, and the follow up book"Lasher" which came out in 93.Written by Anne Rice, both were about a woman who is seduced by a ghost who has seduced several of the women in her family line over the years. The ghost eventually, with her help, incarnates into a physical body and all hell ensues.When I first saw Sub Rosa, that's immediately what I got out of it. Your take down is awesome. I never enjoyed this episode so much as watching your review of it.
Your Wesley Crusher impression is SPOT ON.
Sub Rosa? Nah. This episode is Sub Standard.
I have had parasitic boyfriends before and I just had to laugh when he said “I love you. I’m going to take care of you”. Yeah, like he can keep his corporeal form long enough to go out, get a job and support her. Lol
Totally!!