The Training That Won 22 Mr. Olympia Titles
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Everyone wants to lift heavy weights, nobody wants to diet for 23 weeks
6 months bulk, 5 year cut 😉
Everyone wants to lift heavy weight, without getting injured.
Truth lol
Most real shit I've ever read 😂😂
You diet the whole time anyway.
Lee Haney was absolutely insane. Can’t believe he doesn’t get more recognition
He gets plenty
Rarely any, I walked past his booth a few times at the Olympia and I saw no one other than me even walk up to the booth. Its really sad, because he was only charging 5 dollars for a signed picture and a photo. @nekronbeast3981
Ronnie’s the goat. He wrecked his body and gave it all for it too.
True, but I'd rather look like Haney
He wrecked his body playing football and exasperated it by ignoring his injury
It was a botched back surgery. Unfortunately, The surgeon wrecked his back.
Well I disagree Dorian Yates is the greatest bodybuilder to ever walk on a stage he was nine and zero versus Ronnie Coleman so that pretty much ends that subject Dorian also was like 17 and 1 as a professional he only lost to Lee Haney by half a point in his first Olympia Ronnie Coleman never won anything until Dorian retired so if Dorian knew he had to be 300 lb he would have came in and destroyed Ronnie he would have looked like those black and white pictures and destroyed Ronnie Ronnie's great but he never beat the British bulldog Mr Dorian Yates
@@joeyjojo9135 Bullshit. Coleman chose to ignore medical advice to give his body time to heal and instead aggravate was was already a severe injury with his insane training. Never had to be that way. But he couldn't let it go.
You need a we can only speculate shirt, I'd get it
Nice and positive, I was gonna tease him, but this is great
Cant think of anything clever, but i appreciate your videos
the answer is literally so simple. If youve been lifting for 2+ years consistently without any untraining (ie injuries surgeries laziness etc) and you look normal or still small, youre doing it wrong.
What? You don’t look like Ronnie just by consistent training.
This was dope!
Appreciate it!
Lee looks like he studied Arnold in how to lift
Yeah, and that's why they're both able to still workout with weights.
Dorian can pretty much do Yoga, Ronnie can't even walk
@@molasorrosalom4846pretty sure dorian is open about how he doesn’t want to lift weights, i mean bros still jacked so
@@jtdilauroHe doesn’t lift weights because he cant lol. He’s got torn triceps, bicep, quad tear, hip injury. So much for high intensity.
He can't press properly at all. And his hip injury means no squatting either. He's very limited lifting wise. @@jtdilauro
The man was tearing stuff left and right during his prime competitive years. So much for the strict form police saying it's safe. @@MR12AMAZING
That’s interesting about Lee Haney, since he said stimulate not annihilate having him be an effort king is surprising
True good point but he wasn’t really doing high volumes
Effort is king and you should do sets in all ranges, low, medium, high
At 13:20,,,, I trained like that for years and loved it. It was only when I had to back off because of a new job that I lost the conditioning necessary to complete those former kinds of workouts anymore. Conditioning over years plays a huge role in recovering.
Very interesting and informative video ! Thank you for talking about these legends
0:35 You showed a picture of Sergio Oliva next to Arnold while you were talking about Lee Haney…
Just like Boogs said: The only thing that matters is effort
I always thought Mike was doing high volume but counting more than half his sets as warm ups if he didn't go to failure.
at some point the lines are blurry
I learned a lot from watching Cedric McMillan train. He trained with lightweight, and won the Arnold Ohio in 2017 (I was fortunate enough to get to travel to Ohio and see the Arnold in person that year). But watching his training videos, he taught me that it's not how heavy the weight is, but how heavy it feels. So he would train extremely slow, tricking the muscles into feeling like a weight was heavier than it was. This makes all the difference in saving your joints. Heavy weight injures joints as you near failure. If you can use light weight and get the same gains, why not save your joints. Also he said, don't annihilate the muscle, just stimulate the muscle. You don't have to overtrain to grow. Look at big ramy... Rarely ever have you seen him train to failure, and he has multiple major ifbb titles under his belt. I use all these lessons in my training now. And save my body a lot of stress, and still see results.
Great video!
... very good content sir. Keep going ...
How Lee Haney trained is how I train too, and I actually talked about it in my channel. It's not about repetitions, it's about time under tension.
Yes, 8 to 12 repetitions build muscle, but what if I do 13 repetitions-- won't I build muscle? What if I do 14? 12, 13, and 14 are just numbers close to each other, but intensity isn't a number; intensity comes with time. With just 3 months of consistency (bodyweight training), I was able to build muscles.
dont mistake perceived effort with intensity. it is a good indicator, but it can be misleading, especially when different rep ranges and rest periods make your sets feel qualitatively different. getting to failure on 15 reps is a different experiences frok 6 reps, which is a different experience from 30 reps.
Thats why pyramid sets work well. You get the best from each range.
I forgot how short Dorian was. Not meant as an insult. It’s why the guy looked bananas.
Yeah, I'm the same height--as absolutely HUGE as he looked, I just assumed he was much taller than I was...
He was 5'10, maybe 5'10.5
he is 5'11
His competition was much shorter throughout most of the 90s
Crazy how someone thats avg height is deemed as short lol.
That’s wasn’t Haney it was Sergio in the black n white pic
I think it is silly to schedule exercises around the 7 day week.
Ronnie Coleman the one true king, the real goat.
Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is a real thing with science behind it, it’s not just bro science. So the sculpting philosophy is plausible
Great vidéo but you didn't talk about kevin levrone training method
Why would I have talked about Kevin Levrone?
0:37 waist was smaller than arnold. Great video, but one thing you got wrong is sports. This is not a fcking sports guys, its a beauty/art contest and phil to me is the goat
Hey, Dorian was more like 5’10.5 not 5’9
I find I'm having more and more respect for jay cutler. He's a smart man 😊
Are you hany rambod
Yates was undoubtedly impressive, but his biceps always seemed out of proportion considering his back and legs
Lee Haney 5% bodyfat with soggy butt and back wrinkles? I don't think so Tim.
How did Ronnie injure his back?
Football in HS and then a set of squats.
But Mike Mentzer said you only had to lift 15 minutes once every three weeks!
Dont forget the use of tren with dorian..
Sure my man, Ronnie and Lee 100% nattys, quit being so stupid bro
the uk still makes the best tren
None of it is worth it in the end. They all suffered.
Drugs make your life better. Much much better
What you guys think of the name 'Dorian'
Those steroid bellies are absolutely 🤮
How do you define a sport? How could you possibly say a pageant is a sport?
sport has relevant broad definitions
@@98danielray according to whom? What is your definition? Is runway modeling a sport? What’s the difference?
A cop using illegal steroids lol
After the Golden era, like after 1979, i am no longer interested in such mass monsters. Even Lee Haney was too much for me, too much mass, forget Dorian and Coleman. For me, it is and always will be, the 1960-1970 era ! Those were the beautiful, aesthetic huge bodies
And this is why we have classic physique. But even those guys look freaky.
@@MR12AMAZING Yes. Yes, that is true🙏 I think alot of it has to do with the fact of insecurity - fear of losing, because you spent all your months and money to be in that competition, its only make sense your insecured/doubtful part of you wants to take a bit More drugs to ensure you Win 🏆 As each winner does a little more drugs, the Rest Follow. So, I can definitely see a bit more heavier drug use going on.
"If I can't get 8 reps , I'm not doing it"
Jay Cutler
B-but Paul Carter said that 4 is enough!!
jay also never trained to failure and did 20sets per muscle - and talks about himself in the 3rd person. Might be something to learn from that.
@@nomongosinthaworld not paul carter, the literature seems to point that way
Look at Jay's form. It's 1/2 and 3/4 reps. His 8 reps equals 4 full reps.
there is no equal, full reps are worth shit if doing partials lengthend, its about tension full rom is for functionality and strength@@majungasaurusaaaa
Great video!
I wonder how many people Coleman arrested for using "illegal drugs."
Lol!!; Nobody likes to mention that😅
Pearls of wis..
Very interesting approach, never thought of that
Awe look. Its a tiiiny man
Its not interesting at all, dont humor people like that@@pepe95521
One small thing - Dorian is/was definitely not 5'9". He, Ronnie and Haney are/were all closer to a legit 5'11".
Cutler was 5'9, Dorian was 5'10 I believe.
Ronnie and Haney were 5'11
There's been speculation for years that Dorian's height was fudged a bit.
@justinpaul3110 fudged down? That's not usual. I've met and stood next to him. We're the same height and I'm 5'10.5"
Dorian was 5ft 10 I believe, this video made me so angry, kovaks was the biggest body builder not Ronnie, I wish these people would research before getting literally everything wrong
@@N1120A so...two people fudging their height?🤣🤣🤣
Love these more bodybuilding centric videos keep em coming plz
You should check out the OG hour plus video where these clips come from
Powerbuilding I think is the word.
"We can only speculate".
My favorite part about hearing that phrase over and over throughout the video was not that it's true, but that I know there were exercise science bros watching it fuming every time he said i, because they're convinced that their conclusion is the correct one, and not mere speculation.
dont base your opinions on what people that subscribe to the opposing ideology think.
Holy a bunch of yap.
@@Anti_Brainrot3 holy you somehow managed to pack more yap into 5 words than I did in a paragraph long run-on sentence. Now that's some optimal yappage.
Blood and guts is a must see if you claim to be a bodybuilder or into bodybuilding
The kinda sad part about Lee's run is that he stopped competing very young compared to bodybuilders of today. I think he was maybe 32 which is very much prime for bodybuilders today. He could have reached 10 Mr. O's if he kept going and that record would quite possibly be eternal.
That photo with Arnold was of Sergio Olivia, not Lee Haney. Serigo was a genetic God during that era of bodybuilding.
can you do a vid on the lilliebridge family and their low frequency high accessory style of training?
hell yes, that would be an interesting video
jay cutler never gets respect. he beat ronnie and was robbed a couple times.
1) genetics (for building muscle in response to both training and drugs)
2) PEDs
3) sufficient training stimulus
someone gets it
Thats why levrone never won. Max effort, but only a few months per year.
Even if Levrone trained year round, I don’t think he’d ever beat Ronnie. Ronnie was simply unbeatable.
Levrone is such an alien it's hard to tell. The guy grew into a contest.
Wait..... So you're tell me lifting heavy weights a lot makes me bigger and stronger?! Crazy
everything except your calves. They are still a mystery and we will colonize mars before we get a definitive answer on how to train them.
@@timmian85 I grew my calfs by justing staying at bulked weight for around a year or two around 20-25% bodyfat.
Also, genetics and be a hyper responder to PEDs.
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Muito bom!
If only they’d understood stretch mediated partials, we coulda seen some real impressive physiques
Imagine if they were technique cyborgs!?!?
Mike says Ronnie would have bigger legs with a bigger ROM so it must be true
They would be way bigger for sure according to SCIENCE
Oh yeah, they weren't impressive???
Honestly stretch/lengthened partial stuff seems to me like a science thing that affirms rather than contradicts what big guys actually do.
Ronnie wasn't too fussed with the lockout, or touching the bar to his body on any pulldown or row, & lengthened partial stuff all supports that.
And the asymmetry of 'officer' Coleman juiced to the gills on a schedule 3 drugs brings bring a smile to _my_ face.
I don’t think Haney started the Mass Monster craze. Yates got in the Mass Monster clown car, then Coleman got behind the wheel and drove it off the cliff.
Haney was bigger than usual for his days, but kept his definition and symmetry. He is the last to not have a pregnant belly, that is now the norm in the Open Division.
Dorian did not have Lee Haney's symmetry, and in 1991 Haney weighed 254lbs to Dorian's 257 in 1992, but that doesn't fit the "mass monster" narrative
Dorian was about the same height as Haney, 5’10.5-5’11, but still the point stands, a new ratio of mass to height
5'9 bud not close to '511
@@justvibing2497 you're delusional, acting as if we don't have photos and footage of all 3 standing next to each other
Yates competed against Haney in 1991 and 9 times against Coleman 92 to 97, he didn't look even half an inch shorter than Coleman while standing next to him.
I know that if i used steroids and GH i woukd be as good as these guys. I know it
Ronnie looked best before HGH, and excessive strength specific training
True, but looking good doesn't win you the Olympia
how would you even know when he started gh?
I'll keep the use of my legs, no torn muscles and no biological damage from steroid abuse. But, I do love watching body building and lifting weights in a very safe manner.
Haney’s back pose was Just art! Clean and dry af.
On compound exercises, I go heavy with few reps per set. I've transitioned to a more Strongman style of training, combined with a variety of styles for accessories. No other way has increased my mass and strength more. I can literally do 1-3 reps building up to my target weight, finish that weight with 2 to 3 reps, drop set to a higher rep burnout, and then not hit that body group for a week to allow a full recovery. This is strictly a natty approach, but I've gained 20 pounds is the last 1.5 years and increased deadlift and squat by 50-65% each. I'm applying this to chest and overhead currently, and despite having to rehab a shoulder and overall range of motion, I am finally seeing good results in those troubled areas. I've put on a decent amount of mass, and I am very much not a young man. High reps have always burned me out and had lesser gains. It may be about body type, but high intensity, high percentage weight training has always returned the best results for me. FULL recovery and plenty of real sourced protein is key. Creatine and pre-workout sure, but I promote and rely on my natural hormone production. Find your true limits!
there is no reason for this to be "strictly a natty approach". seems like a good idea overall though
I would say for chest and delts more reps are better. Gaining huge amount of strength is fun but doesn't last it is better to mix things up if you don't wanna plateau. N.B You might wanna try 531 BBB
Hold on. Lee Haney was 255 lb on stage and Steve Reeves was 217 pounds on stage
yep
Imo anything more than 15-16 sets is overkill and 10:43 yates also admit he took heavy gear and same goes for roonie. Its nothing speical its heavy gear with good work effect, but remember roids make you work wayyyyyyyyy harder compared to natural lifter and its so much easier to do
One note, I think training heavier causes more “bodily” growth, (not to mention HGH), such as bone mass and ligaments and tendons, which makes someone as a whole “larger”, and it starts to separate itself from being “aesthetic”, where waist is small, and legs not as bulky, I would venture to say heavy lifting creates an X, and more pump type training creates a Y, which is the “look” we are looking for on the beach or golden era
severe extrapolation
I want what he's smoking.
@@98danielraySystemic hypertrophy vs peripheral hypertrophy.
Ronnie started using gear late. He was on the verge of quitting bodybuilding until he hooked up with Chad Nichols.
Dorian Yates was not 5'9". He was above 5'10". In bodybuilding, the difference is bigger than one might think.
dorian is the greatest of all time
Yes
Ronnie is the GOAT! Nobody will ever come close to his size an conditioning!
Dorian did admit he hurt himself as much as he did by trying to keep going as hard in the cutting season. Perhaps he overlooked the weakening that came with cutting. He does advise against going super heavy during cutting in his youtube content.
Yo Alex pls pls pls drop that programming for combat athletes video 🙏🏼
Dorian’s biceps of themselves were never a “weakness”. Not from a size standpoint, anyway.
He did not have the peak of a Haney or a Ronnie, but he had plenty of size. It was only after the tear that his biceps were brought into question. You cannot look at his physique from 91 - 93 and call them a weakness.
The cycles that won 22 Olympia’s
Mentzer trying to suggest to Dorian that Dorian should do less work perfectly illustrates Mentzer's hubris.
Imagine getting pulled over and getting ready to talk shit and be hella disrespectful than you get ronnie coleman which he was like 320 off season bros was always hoping for a fight imagine how scary that would be just 300lb muscle just deep staring into your soul lowers glasses nd everything starts breathing kinda heavy to show insanity
Dorian’s biceps were a weakness because he had shit bicep genetics
Dorian was willing to do what the others at his genetic potential level weren’t prepared to do - training, diet, drugs. That’s what made him Dorian.
Golden era was golden era, everything after that was bodybuilding travesty for me
Goerner was not "well into the 20% (bodyfat) range). Looks right around 20%
Ronnie's number one mann👑🔥
"Ronnie didn't suffer join issues"
He was litteraly using chiropractor 5 days of the week his entire pro career.
Any interesting thing mentioned in a podcast by Paul Carter, a training guru mentioned.
If you train in higher reps 8-15 reps, you need to train close to failure, 1 rep in the tank. Cause it takes so many reps to stress the muscle, you need to push it extremely hard close to failure to recruit most of the muscle fibres.
But if you use heavy wts in the 1-5rep range, you dont have to train to failure as the heavy load recruites most of the muscle fibres from the first rep. Eg ive read where guys will use 90% of their 1rep max and do 5 sets of singles and would not only gain strength but size as well. This is my experience.
For me on the big compound exercises, i like to train in the 1-5rep range and increase the wt to a heavy single, not a max and then cut the wt right back and do a set of 6-8reps.
I also find the lower reps help you keep good form. I will use 6-10reps with smaller muscle groups or a secondary compound movement use 6-10reps or for a back down set.
Paul Carter is one of my top favorites for real science based training
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why is he get so sensitive everytime he mentions high intensity type of training ?
Should’ve talked about Phil Heath
Haney looked better than Arnold in that picture
Don't forget Jay Cutler and Phil Heath. "Weight does not matter."
That’s what they all say. But it’s not true. If you look at these guys they’re all incline pressing 4 plates and shoulder pressing 315 and the list goes on and on. If you want to get huge, you need to get strong there’s no way around it. Not strong in the sense of a powerlifter, but strong like a bodybuilder for high reps on movements with large ROM
It does though, Jay didn't get big benching just 135lbs
'Heavy' is an extremely relative term in weight lifting. Jay lifts "heavy" in the sense that yea of course he has multiple plates on the bar but only enough to push medium-high reps out. Not heavy in the sense that he lifts 90%-95% of his 1RM every set.
And aren't there videos of Jay benching 405, bent over rows with 405-495?
He was squatting 405 for 12, but he was doing it ass to Grass, pausing at the bottom and exploding upwards
@@EnigmaticAnamoly yes, that’s correct. I’m not saying you need to lift “heavy” in the sense of high intensity (90%+) what I’m saying is you need to improve your performance in moderate-high rep ranges on exercises that are productive for growth. Oftentimes, In the end this will result in a person being very strong for reps. No one is going to get to Jay Cutler size by benching 185-225. Eventually you won’t respond to that stimulus, and you need to increase a small amount of weight. Over many years you’ll eventually be very strong for high reps. But yes, you never need to go below 5-6 reps. And even then, you don’t need to go that heavy. You can grow using exclusively higher reps. Hope this made sense
What's that music?!?!
Thanks!
Always a shame that the person who holds the record for the most Olympia wins is never included in these discussions. Like, Ronnie won 8 times sure, but Iris Kyle won 11 times between 2001 and 2014. No one else as dominant.
womp womp
I think its bc the phisiques after the 90s became less and less aesthetic
Dorian 93 💯
You mean the Tren, that won olympia.
Small correction: Mentzer never did just one set as far as I'm aware of. That was just his bs propaganda. If you look at his workouts, he had from 2 to 3 exercises per muscle group, which means 2/3 sets plus warmups. There are vids out there about this. His trainees also followed this method.
even he doesnt follow his own propaganda and cult
you just understood it wrong, he never said one set per week just one set per exercise
@@emcys Well, it lets itself be misunderstood. By his own words, "it is neither necessary nor desirable to do a second set", and then he follows by saying that a set taken to true failure is enough to stimulate growth.
Just... what do you understand by this? I understand that one set of quads is enough, right? Well, no, because then this mf comes and does leg extensions to failure with their warmups, then does a leg press to failure plus warmups, then does squats... Please, explain to me how can it be that two sets of a leg press is overtraining but one set of leg press and another one of squats is perfectly reasonable for him. What's the justification for this nonsense? Do we also not see that what I just mentioned is basically the equivalent of 3 sets of quads? Sometimes even 4 or 5, as he didn't always do "just one set". In fact, his standard workout was 2 leg extensions, 2 leg presses and then one of squats, plus warmups. That's the opposite of what he insisted on.
How come he said "just one set" but did never specify "per exercise" and, in which case, how many exercises? Sure, you can do "just one set per exercise" but do 20 different exercises, but you'd be doing 20 sets instead of 1. See how much the story changes?
This was pure propaganda, he barely ever talked about what he actually did and we both know it. He misled everybody with a tricky use of words by not clarifying what he meant and ended up training himself and his trainees in a different way compared to what he preached.
He even contradicts his very own explanations about intensity by what he used to do (he said something in the lines of "those who do more than one set deny the principle of intensity: that the level of intensity is not important"). If he's doing 3/4/5 sets of different quads exercises... please, explain to me how his words make any sense. To me, they don't, no matter how many times I think about it. He was pure propaganda, even worse than Arnold's "shock the muscle principle".
@@microondasletal you're trying too hard, he just came to wrong conclusion that doing two sets on the same exercises doesnt make sense as you will do less on the second set if the previous set was taken to failure, i dont agree with Mike Mentzer in 100% because he had some stupid takes, he did warmups yes and then one all out set for the given exercise, and his training changed overtime as he lowered the volume later so his earlier workouts looked a little bit different when he did 2 working sets instead of 1, at the time his training principles were good, now we know more and we can train even better and saying that "just one set per exercise but do 20 different exercises, you'd be doing 20 sets" thing is this is just random conclusion he never did 20 working sets for a muscle weekly nor advocated for that, and that's true that he never precisely told what he meant by the one set, Dorian Yates later took Mike's training principles and made them a whole lot better making great training system focused on adding weight or reps weekly with high intensity 3-5 working sets for muscle weekly
Mike mentzer convincing Dorian to switch to lower volume IS what made him grow to the mass monster he was and change the game. Learn your shit man
Dorian never did 1 set per exercise like Mike wanted though.
I’m convinced you Mentzer fan boys have not actually spent a lot of time in the gym or competing in bodybuilding lol
Great video, thanks Alex
once Dorian got to olympia standards he dropped his volume again to only 1 working sets and less warm up sets which is a reduction of 50% and we saw more improvement again.
All the best bodybuilders go to Planet Fitness, so WHERE you work out is clearly the most important aspect