I mean, I feel bad for the family, and those sales presentations definitely put on the pressure, but it seems odd to make a news story about this case specifically when there are thousands of people who go through the same thing.
Glad I got rid of that timeshare years ago, the maintenance fee is just ridiculous keeps going up! also went through a few times sales and presentation the pressured sales tactics and learned my lesson "just say no...not buying today".
Do you think things will improve under Hilton? Also, Hilton Grand Vacation owners are currently being given the pitch to "upgrade" to trust points over their deeds. They may be trying to unload DRI inventory, and reclaim HGVC to sell again in the future.
We attended this exact presentation and t's not *quite* that simple. In our case, we stayed stayed 3 days at a fairy nice place for $200 total, but if we didn't attend the presentation, we would be charged full price (something like $1100). They actually do a "check out" process at the end of the presentation verifying you attended so you're kind of stuck there until that happens.
These people knew exactly what they were getting into and they knew that the timeshares were a bunch of thieves they know that the maintenance fees are ridiculous and they don't say anything about them they know they trick you.
Not always. I am paying $61.30 per month, or $1,475 every 2 years, for 2 weeks in peak season Kona, Hawaii, in a 2-bedroom resort. Switch to a different property nearby, 1-bedroom, I get 3 weeks. The Holiday Inn down the street charges $1,500 for 5 nights.
We own a timeshare (Vacation Club) originally purchased through Sheraton. We really enjoy our yearly visit to Myrtle Beach. The maintenance fee is reasonable for a weeks stay in a two bedroom condo. HOWEVER, like everyone else, we were told what a good investment it is. NO IT IS NOT ! We paid $15K for a pretty much worthless mortgage. When we become too old to enjoy our annual visit, we will have to spend about $3000 to pay a lawyer to get us out of the agreement. We did by the way, visit the Polo Towers in Las Vegas on a "sales presentation" trip. We were not pressured like this family was, by Diamond International. All I had to say was NO, one time, and reminded them that I was invited, because I was already a Sheraton owner.
I almost died at the middle of the report where they say that he filed a complaint with the police department for fraud!!!! LMAO! Dude listen to your lawyer and Read the contract smh. I’m sure they’ve advised him before.
Yeah those people are slick. We told them we’ll think about it and we did fast research after our lost half day listening to them at a Secret’s resort. Big con job!
Here's an example, which I know is very unusual. We bought an every other year contract resale ($612 total), that was supposed to give us an odd year week in a 2-bedroom resort in Kona, HI. If we go in May or September, and stay in a 1-bedroom, we can get 2 weeks out of it. After the contract landed, we're somehow getting double those points for the same money, up to a month in Hawaii for $1,475 every 2 years in maintenance! The Holiday in cost $1,500 for 5 nights in the same off season.
I think many people have known for decades to never give a second of your time to these kinds of things. That's really just the bottom line. Even if what is being pushed would financially work for you in terms of how often you vacation, there are always sneaky T&Cs and things that are switched along the road.
We are victims of the same deal. We just bought a package and they tried to force us to “upgrade” to a no brainer package. We turned it down and the sales guy was super angry at us. They play like they are there to help you pick the best plan..
If a salesman gets angry at a rejection just tell him "You better take no for an answer motherfucker" I do it all the time and if they still get pissed then they better be ready for a fistfight from me.
What company was this? If you are happy with it, just buy resale for pennies on the dollar, should you want more. People happy with their timeshare usually got hosed the first time in a presentation.
It takes guts to get on here and tell a very common story. There are very critical comments on here. This couple has guts. They got what they wanted but there are many thousands wishing they would have just kept walking on by when the too friendly Off Premises Contact started with "Hi folks, where are you from?" Which of course, is a qualifying question to start
It killed me when he filed a complaint with a police department for fraud. Even a first year law student would now not do something stupid like that smdh!
When I went to Circus Circus several people have tried to get me to sign up for vacation club. The catch was I had to stay at the Excalibur for two nights in order to only pay $99 for the next trip anywhere in the world. I still have yet to use this so called vacation club and I removed my credit card on file.
I was approached at Circus Circus as well. My wife and I went to the presentation just to get the free stuff and we said no many times. They still kept pressuring us. They almost got me at the last attempt manager but thanks to my wife we were able to leave without getting duped. We saw many couples who fell for the okie doke though.
@ 4:21 this type of closure which includes a refund only happens for high profile cases that make the news or those who can pony up the dough for a tough legal representative to threaten extended action. what this report leaves out is that in order to cancel that timeshare the company will send them an MRA (mutual release agreement) to have signed, notarized and typically pay a $1K processing fee per contract to complete, after said cancellation takes place come tax season of the following year the company will send those two a1099C for each contract canceled and they'll have to deal with the IRS on that matter. This reporting went onto say that they're only canceling their most recent upgrade contracts which implies they were reverted to their previous membership level from prior purchases not in question, that means they're still paying at the very least annual Club Dues for those points and if they want fully out then any open loans would need to be paid in full along with the dues and no reservations can be open for them to go through a department called Transitions and exit out fully, again even then it's a $1K bill per/contract if you really want completely out. Good luck.
I feel terrible for these and others duped by this industry. But at the same time, I do not understand how anyone can be unaware of the disgusting sales tactics used to promote sales. Anyone who wants to give you a free gift to listen to their sales pitch, has a horrible product. Run!!! Don't walk away!
...and when you don't make the payments, they put the debt on your credit report. And, as a financial coach I can tell you, they can be difficult to remove.
As a financial coach I would think you would understand that if you don’t pay for anything they report it to you credit. I don’t pay my car payment they report to credit lol
So, this guy was with Diamond Resorts for 20 years etc... trusted them and never had an issue? I highly doubt that! Not to mention you have to qualify before even getting to the sales presentation income, marital status etc... Most go along with the sales pitch because they want cheap deals or show tickets. You know you're in it for several hours. You chose to do so. I used to work in title & deeding, ownership transfer, as well as Research. This guy admitted on camera for the record "We did not read the contract" 🤦♀Sounds more like someone can't afford retirement and timeshare. That's not Diamond Resorts fault. He had a good time for 20 years with his family, time to sell it if he no longer wants it.
nope. not if you're there as part of a discount on your stay, which most people are. You have to sit through it to get credit, otherwise pay full price.
Any ongoing bill that you seldom ever use is never a good idea. Just tell the timeshare salesman that you only make less than $5,000 a year. If they question you about how you can afford this trip, just tell them you won a contest from a radio station.
Always read what you sigh nomatter what ...You knew what you were getting into !Stop it happy wife happy life buy this Cole lmao 🤣 Please don't go car shopping either folks pressure is unreal especially if you want 1 ...
Here's a thought, stop buying insanely overpriced useless products to vacation and just save your damn $, buy your plane tickets and go where you want to go with no further commitments. Timeshare interest rates are near credit card rates, it's a win win for the co. if you pay them that 10 year loan you would have spent roughly triple the amount of $ being financed due to interest, if you don't pay them, default and get canceled out then they'll ruin your credit, call for years in collections until they've let your debt balloon in size due to fees till it's profitable to cancel and then when it's ideal for the company foreclosure or cancel it out only to report it for their own tax purposes as a loss for the company so again it's a win win for them regardless whether you chose to pay or not. They already have your deposit $ which is usually thousands owed to some credit card under your name so they got their liquidated damages whether you pay them a cent more or not. Read those damn contracts people, stop being willfully ignorant and don't let these scammers get you.
So somehow the “American Dream” is to go on vacation? And yet, these clowns have gone on vacations since they bought this package in the last century. This is so Californian.
Diamond Resorts timeshate, bad investment. High price amd when you want to make reservaton no vacancy or not timeframe ypu want, forced into 7 days and not convenient check in date.
Simple! Don’t buy into a timeshare or vacation club. Pay for your vacations and save money!
The wife honestly looked happy. Goal achieved. Smiled the whole time.
happy spouse happy house. he looked unhappy. makes for an unsettling aura in the house 🙁
Well yes, they promised him happy wife happy life, she does look super happy 😂
I mean, I feel bad for the family, and those sales presentations definitely put on the pressure, but it seems odd to make a news story about this case specifically when there are thousands of people who go through the same thing.
Glad I got rid of that timeshare years ago, the maintenance fee is just ridiculous keeps going up! also went through a few times sales and presentation the pressured sales tactics and learned my lesson "just say no...not buying today".
Wow, the phone scammers should call this couple. They will bite.
It killed me when filed a police report against the time share company smdh! I agree!
Lol
Yup I have worked for Diamond Resorts. Do not buy into this. I felt so bad as a customer service rep being forced to tell them the truth…
Do you think things will improve under Hilton? Also, Hilton Grand Vacation owners are currently being given the pitch to "upgrade" to trust points over their deeds. They may be trying to unload DRI inventory, and reclaim HGVC to sell again in the future.
In these high pressure sales seminars can't people just walk up and leave. It's not like they're going to physically stop you.
We attended this exact presentation and t's not *quite* that simple. In our case, we stayed stayed 3 days at a fairy nice place for $200 total, but if we didn't attend the presentation, we would be charged full price (something like $1100). They actually do a "check out" process at the end of the presentation verifying you attended so you're kind of stuck there until that happens.
These people knew exactly what they were getting into and they knew that the timeshares were a bunch of thieves they know that the maintenance fees are ridiculous and they don't say anything about them they know they trick you.
It killed me when filed a police report against the time share company smdh!
Not always. I am paying $61.30 per month, or $1,475 every 2 years, for 2 weeks in peak season Kona, Hawaii, in a 2-bedroom resort. Switch to a different property nearby, 1-bedroom, I get 3 weeks. The Holiday Inn down the street charges $1,500 for 5 nights.
We own a timeshare (Vacation Club) originally purchased through Sheraton. We really enjoy our yearly visit to Myrtle Beach. The maintenance fee is reasonable for a weeks stay in a two bedroom condo. HOWEVER, like everyone else, we were told what a good investment it is. NO IT IS NOT ! We paid $15K for a pretty much worthless mortgage. When we become too old to enjoy our annual visit, we will have to spend about $3000 to pay a lawyer to get us out of the agreement. We did by the way, visit the Polo Towers in Las Vegas on a "sales presentation" trip. We were not pressured like this family was, by Diamond International. All I had to say was NO, one time, and reminded them that I was invited, because I was already a Sheraton owner.
Sure remembered the sales pitch, just forgot about the “here’s what it will cost” part. Wife looked like she found it all hilarious.
I almost died at the middle of the report where they say that he filed a complaint with the police department for fraud!!!! LMAO! Dude listen to your lawyer and Read the contract smh. I’m sure they’ve advised him before.
Yeah those people are slick. We told them we’ll think about it and we did fast research after our lost half day listening to them at a Secret’s resort. Big con job!
Never, ever understood timeshares or vacation clubs.. Just pay for your vacation without a contractual obligation
Here's an example, which I know is very unusual. We bought an every other year contract resale ($612 total), that was supposed to give us an odd year week in a 2-bedroom resort in Kona, HI. If we go in May or September, and stay in a 1-bedroom, we can get 2 weeks out of it. After the contract landed, we're somehow getting double those points for the same money, up to a month in Hawaii for $1,475 every 2 years in maintenance! The Holiday in cost $1,500 for 5 nights in the same off season.
Sounds like they took some great trips, what’s the problem? Happy Wife Happy Life sounds really high pressure 😂
Difficult to make reservations, overpriced. Rules on when to use or lose.
I think many people have known for decades to never give a second of your time to these kinds of things. That's really just the bottom line. Even if what is being pushed would financially work for you in terms of how often you vacation, there are always sneaky T&Cs and things that are switched along the road.
It's sales....people gotta eat. lol....c'mon, say no, and thank you, and move along to the tourist trap across the street for your Pina Colada.
We are victims of the same deal. We just bought a package and they tried to force us to “upgrade” to a no brainer package. We turned it down and the sales guy was super angry at us. They play like they are there to help you pick the best plan..
If a salesman gets angry at a rejection just tell him "You better take no for an answer motherfucker" I do it all the time and if they still get pissed then they better be ready for a fistfight from me.
What company was this? If you are happy with it, just buy resale for pennies on the dollar, should you want more. People happy with their timeshare usually got hosed the first time in a presentation.
If the sales person is talking too much, they lying.
It takes guts to get on here and tell a very common story. There are very critical comments on here. This couple has guts. They got what they wanted but there are many thousands wishing they would have just kept walking on by when the too friendly Off Premises Contact started with "Hi folks, where are you from?" Which of course, is a qualifying question to start
🤦♂️
Not reading the deal was your mistake
They lie and lie and lie. Nothing new from these crooks.
Why would they be involved with this nonsense ? Make em pay
He sounds like an educated man, and he knew exactly what he was getting himself into. He’s looking to take advantage and sue. Whatever Idc
He admitted to not even reading the contract, in a timeshare? Are you kidding me?
🙄did you not just watch all the deception that the company was sued for? Employee said they were told to lie too?
It killed me when he filed a complaint with a police department for fraud. Even a first year law student would now not do something stupid like that smdh!
I had sympathy for them until they said they DID NOT read the contract.
When I went to Circus Circus several people have tried to get me to sign up for vacation club. The catch was I had to stay at the Excalibur for two nights in order to only pay $99 for the next trip anywhere in the world. I still have yet to use this so called vacation club and I removed my credit card on file.
Same here
I was approached at Circus Circus as well. My wife and I went to the presentation just to get the free stuff and we said no many times. They still kept pressuring us. They almost got me at the last attempt manager but thanks to my wife we were able to leave without getting duped. We saw many couples who fell for the okie doke though.
Happy wife happy life
@ 4:21 this type of closure which includes a refund only happens for high profile cases that make the news or those who can pony up the dough for a tough legal representative to threaten extended action. what this report leaves out is that in order to cancel that timeshare the company will send them an MRA (mutual release agreement) to have signed, notarized and typically pay a $1K processing fee per contract to complete, after said cancellation takes place come tax season of the following year the company will send those two a1099C for each contract canceled and they'll have to deal with the IRS on that matter.
This reporting went onto say that they're only canceling their most recent upgrade contracts which implies they were reverted to their previous membership level from prior purchases not in question, that means they're still paying at the very least annual Club Dues for those points and if they want fully out then any open loans would need to be paid in full along with the dues and no reservations can be open for them to go through a department called Transitions and exit out fully, again even then it's a $1K bill per/contract if you really want completely out. Good luck.
I feel terrible for these and others duped by this industry. But at the same time, I do not understand how anyone can be unaware of the disgusting sales tactics used to promote sales. Anyone who wants to give you a free gift to listen to their sales pitch, has a horrible product. Run!!! Don't walk away!
There is a company called Time Share Exit Team, they help people end their agreements.
A lot of timeshare exit companies are also scams. Do your research people and don’t trust the salesman taking your money.
We were just at Vidante in Mexico and they out right lie to you. always check the reviews
...and when you don't make the payments, they put the debt on your credit report. And, as a financial coach I can tell you, they can be difficult to remove.
As a financial coach I would think you would understand that if you don’t pay for anything they report it to you credit. I don’t pay my car payment they report to credit lol
So, this guy was with Diamond Resorts for 20 years etc... trusted them and never had an issue? I highly doubt that! Not to mention you have to qualify before even getting to the sales presentation income, marital status etc... Most go along with the sales pitch because they want cheap deals or show tickets. You know you're in it for several hours. You chose to do so.
I used to work in title & deeding, ownership transfer, as well as Research. This guy admitted on camera for the record "We did not read the contract" 🤦♀Sounds more like someone can't afford retirement and timeshare. That's not Diamond Resorts fault. He had a good time for 20 years with his family, time to sell it if he no longer wants it.
Easy way to get out of those presentations... Simple.. Just get up walk away and ignore them. If they try to block you tell them to F off..
nope. not if you're there as part of a discount on your stay, which most people are. You have to sit through it to get credit, otherwise pay full price.
😳😮 $1500 a month Wow
It's equivalent to the mortgage I pay for my house!
Any ongoing bill that you seldom ever use is never a good idea. Just tell the timeshare salesman that you only make less than $5,000 a year. If they question you about how you can afford this trip, just tell them you won a contest from a radio station.
I'm glad i don't have any money for time share.
Looks like car salesman 😂😂
I attended a presentation that only allowed married couples or males. No single females. Based in Florida...
Bluegreen Vocations is the same way
$2k seems cheap. I'd have to check the math on that.
how do you not know this? who doesn't read contracts? who believes sales people? It sounds as if i'm victim shaming but this guy should be ashamed.
Don’t sign anything
Time shares/vacation clubs are nothing but a rip-off.
Your fault. Trust No One.
This sounds just like the jockey club
Always read what you sigh nomatter what ...You knew what you were getting into !Stop it happy wife happy life buy this Cole lmao 🤣 Please don't go car shopping either folks pressure is unreal especially if you want 1 ...
It killed me when filed a police report against the time share company smdh! Still can’t get over that part
Timeshare is for selling not buying.
Here's a thought, stop buying insanely overpriced useless products to vacation and just save your damn $, buy your plane tickets and go where you want to go with no further commitments. Timeshare interest rates are near credit card rates, it's a win win for the co. if you pay them that 10 year loan you would have spent roughly triple the amount of $ being financed due to interest, if you don't pay them, default and get canceled out then they'll ruin your credit, call for years in collections until they've let your debt balloon in size due to fees till it's profitable to cancel and then when it's ideal for the company foreclosure or cancel it out only to report it for their own tax purposes as a loss for the company so again it's a win win for them regardless whether you chose to pay or not. They already have your deposit $ which is usually thousands owed to some credit card under your name so they got their liquidated damages whether you pay them a cent more or not. Read those damn contracts people, stop being willfully ignorant and don't let these scammers get you.
Don’t do timeshares guys please don’t be the next person on tv
It will take u to the poor house
So somehow the “American Dream” is to go on vacation? And yet, these clowns have gone on vacations since they bought this package in the last century.
This is so Californian.
I ran out from the Hilton presentation, I stank like a rip off
I love my timeshare there are very few who have bad experiences.
Diamond Resorts timeshate, bad investment. High price amd when you want to make reservaton no vacancy or not timeframe ypu want, forced into 7 days and not convenient check in date.
Wow this is criminal and stupid
Time shares our scam don't sign up
😂😂😂😂😂😂 junkies
Who cares?
RUBE
Pyramid scheme
How does the pyramid work in this one?
Vegas has like 6 mobs running it right now. You got got. Find the door
No wife Happy life
I thought that was his Mom