Was Vernon Presley A Good Father? Elvis Fans Have Their Say
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I think he as a great Father and Elvis Mama was a good Mama
Elvis is the only one able to answer and he did it by living close to his father from his first to his last breath
How would Elvis feel with such a question ? A good father is a father who loves his son and supports him, no matter what. Vernon certainly did it.
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After Elvis' death, Vernon carefully kept Graceland the way it was when Elvis was still alive, he lived in a garage apartment, he turned down an offer to sell it and was asserting that he would do nothing unless Lisa Marie would be happy. After his death, he carefully left Elvis' estate in the hands of 3 co executors. This wouldn't be the behavior of a very devoted (grand)father ?
I think he loved his son and Elvis certainly loved him and looked after him but Vernon was not a strong character and did not protect and advise Elvis as he should have done From the time he was a teenager Elvis was the family’s breadwinner and protector. X
Things would of been so different if Gladys had lived Elvis always took advice from his mom and always did what she asked him to do ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Gladys didn't trust Parker
Elvis and Vernon had to persuade her to sign with him
Vernon raised Elvis and stayed close to him until his last breath. Elvis would have been different with another father. Who would want a different Elvis ?
Yes but he also could have been better, and he could have invested his money wisely so he wouldn’t have had to exhaust himself with all the touring and doing too many shows in Vegas.
Elvis was hard worker and had one of the most succesfull careers ever. Elvis invested in his achievement and in Graceland which are still very rentable.
How does anyone know that Vernon blamed Elvis & said that terrible thing to Elvis about his momma. Who witnessed thar?
Who knows the exact words or similar what the col parker said to Elvis or anyone in those Elvis bio pics? Their all deceased, ,& many ofvthise conversations were private. If a yonevis taking priscilla Beaulieau s word of what was said & happened , please .. lies cones from her
I think if Elvis momma had of lived , things would have been different. I think she would have been the only woman ,the only person to tell him NO.❤
Vernon grew up during the Great Depression in a area also somewhat affected by the Dust Bowl. No jobs, what people had were taken away, any money you had was for necessities. Actually during this time those that never had much did better than those who did have and lost. They had already learned how to survive without much. This being said Vernon was a product of his time. With Parker promising all to Elvis and delivering early in Elviss career, Vernon trusted him never realizing later that Parker was holding Elvis back. Parker always intervened if Elvis was getting close to someone in the business and had good managers.
Everyone please remember, there was no one to campare to at this time. When Elvis became a star it was almost overnight that the money started coming in. Dad can you take care of the money, I don't have time to worry about what needs to be payed or whats needed. I'm on the road all the time. This gave Vernon a job, it didn't look like he was totally living off him. In 1956, Vernon was only 40 and never had this kind of responsibility and did the best he knew how. We don't know if later on Elvis may have tried to get his father to give it up and Vernon took offense of that. What we do know is Elvis did hire Joseph Hanks in 1969 to be the family accountant.
I wish people would realize that the movie was not an autobiography. In fact, it was far from it. We all know how horrible Parker was, but as far as Vernon and Elvis goes that movie took an awful lot of liberties. Just like most of the "Memphis Mafia". When it comes to those guys with the exception of a few, I will listen to Lisa Marie and her statements regarding them. Along with her song about Elvis called Nobody Noticed. As for Vernon, he loved his son there is no doubt in my mind and Elvis loved his father. Vernon did the best he could and if those statements were actually said the way it's being stated, it was him lashing out. Vernon was devastated when he lost his son and you only need to see photos of him to see this.
100% Agree!
I wonder how you judge a man or woman to what kind of parent they was , I wonder how we would be judged ourselves, of course none of us knew vernon , people always quick to judge everyone without really knowing them or thire life or what they are going through in their life
. . ✨ Sam Bell who was EP’s boyhood friend in Tupelo and whose family property ran adjacent to the Presley’s, Sam’s family were homesteaders who grew their own crops, raised chickens and pigs, were entirely self sufficient on their own, EP was a frequent dinner guest at the Bell’s and often (eagerly) took second and third helpings, Mrs. Bell loved EP as her own and EP was always respectful by saying “Mam” to her . . .and Sam Bell had an interview with Baz Luhrmann recalled how EP was not short on “dreaming tall”, that EP did expound on his future dreams in being “famous” and known for “something big”, and while EP did not elaborate on the details of what that meant, Bell did submit that EP was not shy when speaking of the future . . clearly EP did not suffer a ‘soul poverty’ for in the experience of being a child of poverty, could (in fundamental ways), support and nurture a purpose for becoming better with ones lifestyle, for ones family (with Gladys in the fore front), etc.
. . ✨ Sadly, Sam Bell passed in 2017 (I believe) but much of his illustrated dialog/interview with Luhrmann can be seen and heard here on YT . . ⚡
GRAZIE!
Vernon didn’t make it to the 8th grade, only 4th or probably 5th. Same with Gladys. Vernon had no business handling any of Elvis affairs. Parker knew this and played him, Parker knew he could wrap him around his finger.
👏👏👏Well said
When Vernon was alive, Parker could wrap the whole world around his finger.
@@lillyd2246 Parker had 2 contracts when Elvis first signed. The first contract, which signed his whole life away, was what Parker gave first to him. If Elvis and his parents had had legal counsel, which they didn’t, they would never have signed it. He had the second contract in case that happened. That one was way better for Elvis, but of course it never appeared because Elvis and his parents put their whole trust into that con man. That’s what happens when people are poor and almost illiterate and gullible. It’s actually amazing Elvis did as well as he did because Parker scammed him all his life.
@@joannemcclure3546 Sting, Leonard Cohen, Alanis Morissette were wealthy and educated when they lost a lot of money, that 's the dark side of entertainment
I don’t know whether or not Vernon was a good father, but I think he was out of line with what he told Elvis.
Vernon only had a 5th or 6th grade education? As much as he cared for his child, that hardly prepared him to care for his son's finances. Elvis should/could have been investing, and or selling products his entire life and had he done so, probably never would have needed to sell his music catalog from 1955-1970 something. It also appears difficult at the time to find trustworthy business associates- as Col. Parker well demonstrated. I wonder if, when Col. Parker asked for half his earnings, if Elvis ever asked OTHER celebrities what their managers were being paid and if he ever discussed it with Vernon? Parker must have had them very intimidated. What a crook!
I think so too!!!
We don't know what we don't know ... most people aren't taught about finances.
Joseph A. Hanks was Elvis and Vernon's accountant
Vernon didnt care that Elvis went out with pricilla at a young age Gladys would of never allowed Elvis to date pricilla ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
You have no idea IF Vernon liked the fact Elvis dated Priscilla at a young age!! You were not there - She was in High School When She came to Memphis in 1963j and lived with Vernon for a while My sons have dated girls I could not stand and How could I stop them but ADVISE Them!!! Elvis was 24 by then in Germany - Elvis made his own decisions I am sure Vernon advised him as a Dad!! In Vernon's 1978 Good Housekeeping Article, He said He didn't get in the middle of any of his relationships so that's saying He let Elvis make his own decisions! Mom's are much different than Dad's are with their Sons I know My boys' Dad never got involved I did yes Being A MOM - We don't know What Gladys would of done now do WE? You can speculate all you want - As Much as I despise Priscilla this is not about that - Vernon loved his son - He was with him on tours movie sets always there!!!
Yes, completely agree with you, he took his father everywhere in interviews and concerts. You can see the love between father and son when Elvis introduces Vernon to the audience in his very last concert June 1977.
I feel that the career of Elvis was very overwhelming for the whole family, Elvis went from a HS graduate to a millionaire in 18 months. It must have been daunting for them to have so much so soon. As for Vernon, we must remember he was only 18 years old when Elvis was born, that is so young to be a head of houseold, he obviously tried during a very difficult time in the American South. They should have put trust in a good team of people, who knew about money matters more than they did. I assume they did not trust strangers to do the job properly, and they all paid a high price for their choices as the career took off. Overall, I don't think Vernon was a terrible father, he stayed with the family unlike many men who did not in those days. His lack of education also hurt the situation. Gladys of course was a very powerful in the early life of Elvis, and there were ramifications of that as well. We know she dearly loved her son, and raised him to the best of her ability. I think she was so powerfull, that when she passed away, Elvis and Vernon werer overwhelmed as to how to proceed. People will not like this, but Gladys also caused some damage to her son, she did not mean to, she was also limited in her abilities to deal with his new fame. Their whole story is quite sad to me, from what we know and have read through the years. I wish things could have been different.
Glady lost a baby, I think she was terrified of losing another....so she raised Elvis under her protection without hiving him the chance to break the umbelical cord....
must be understood!!
@@ertagortan5367 I do understand all too well. It has been obvious to me for many years that Gladys adored her only child, and rightly so. However, she handicapped him to some degree. She did not mean to do so, she loved him the only way she knew how to. Young Elvis felt like he always had to try to make her happy, and felt responsible for her well being, that is too much for a young child to deal with. Vernon also did not know what to do with that situation. Elvis became a people pleaser to a degree that it hurt his professional dealings with people, including Parker. That is my opinion.
Vernon loved Elvis without question however he was weak when it came to protecting Elvis from the evils of Tom Parker he could ha e put a stop to them working him to death but he didn't mostly I think through the fear of Parker. Things could ha e been a lot different if Elvis had know Parker was main suspect in a murder and that was why he wouldn't leave the country
I don't think he really feared Parker, he feared losing Parker and becoming poor again.
I don’t think Vernon Presley was a malicious man, but I do think that he was a very weak man. His inability to support his family from the absolute beginning is an important part of the story. It is a rare thing for a son to provide for his parents at such an early age which would have to change the dynamics of that relationship over the years. Vernon should have protected Elvis from the Colonel yet no mention of this happening was ever reported by anyone in the know. To the contrary, whenever Elvis bucked the Colonel, he received no support from his father. Perhaps Vernon’s lack of self confidence was a factor in this, but has anyone ever heard of a conversation with Elvis that encouraged him to pursue his dreams, rather than be dragged down a rat hole (movies) with Parker. If Elvis had ever heard such a speech from his father (again, none reported) it might have meant that Elvis would not have wasted such precious years servicing. I cannot help but wonder what behavior did Vernon accuse Elvis of while in the hospital. If Vernon really was so frightened of his own mortality at that moment, are the words he used on Elvis the possible last words he wanted his son to might hear from him. Sadly ironic, it was Elvis who died first and we are all left to wonder if Elvis was simply a drug addict or did the drugs help him deal with a far greater health problem. As well, it has been reported many times that Elvis didn’t drink because of his mother’s problem. I think Gladys got a very bad rap here. I think Elvis didn’t drink because Vernon did. All said, I still find it difficult to be angry with Vernon for any of it. It’s much like Ashley Wilkes in Gone With the Wind who said, “I am weak and Miss Scarlet is so very strong.” No one held Ashley accountable because he was so weak. As I compare Elvis to his father, you can guess which one I see as Miss Scarlet.
I don't believe the nonsense about blaming Elvis for his mum's death because Elvis was drafted and did not join the army.
If anything it was the fault of the law of the land.
How about everyone minds their own family affairs lets not judge a man born 1916 who died 1979 what kinda father he was to a son born 1935 and died 1977 or gladys born 1912 died 1958.
I was just thinking, did Vernon ever have any friends he hung around??? No one has said anything that I know of.
A(a)ron was the name of a Vernon's friend
@@luciedetant1095 Lol, I'm taking it Elvis and his goof ball buddies were whom he rubbed elbows with?!! Vernon seems to be an aloof kind of man, quiet type.
Vernon was not an educated man. I even read somewhere that the reason Elvis used to call in every night to his mother, was because his father used to hit on her! I think their relationship was very complicated. From everything I’ve read, and I’ve read many many books on Elvis, the way, Gladys doted on him, Vernon had to be jealous of that. but I do believe Elvis loved his father.
If his father really used to hit on her Elvis would have found a better way to protect her
@@lillyd2246right. And Elvis would have NOTHING to do with Vernon ever again. I don’t believe Vernon mistreated Gladys or Elvis in any way.
@@Elvis.Aron.Presley.35.77 so true : this is what Elvis did with his grandfather who left Grandma.
I don't think he was the right man to take care of Elvis affairs
Absolutely!
I totally agree. If he would have hired a financial advisor to tell him how to invest his money like Marty Lacker advised but Vernon would hear nothing about that and he told him to get the h**ll out of my office!! Elvis should have gone over him and listened to numerous people telling him to make his money work for him by making investments. Love and miss you sooo much Elvis❣️♥️😘
Elvis trusted his father and was very private about his affairs. It is obvious he loved his son and wanted to protect him. He would have taken a bullet for him. Drug addiction is a terrible disease. It affects a person’s judgment and they deny having a problem. Denial is the reason they don’t seek help. I think Linda tried and she gradually moved away from the relationship.
@@MigdaliaTomalinas-os2nz Elvis was NOT a drug addict. That’s stupid. He took prescriptions because he had a lot of sicknesses that always baffled his doctors. Now we know that he had inherited diseases that also plagued his mother and her side of the family but it was not known then.
@@MigdaliaTomalinas-os2nz You’re absolutely right….Linda did the right thing by leaving. Elvis wasn’t ready to change and by his own words “He wasn’t going to change for anybody”
Vernon did the best he could handling Elvis’ business seeing that he only went as far as the 8th grade .
Is it less than Parker ?
@@lillyd2246
Yes.
@@ertagortan5367 which degree did Parker have ?
@@lillyd2246fleeing murder charges, changing identities. Phd in carney barking
I really can't believe people seem to be using the Baz movie as a source of truth about the man's life. Wow, people read a little. The movie was Baz-ified and had very little truth, if any, in it. I'm sure Vernon was an ok father. He seems to be the type that would mess around on Gladys because he messed around with a married man's wife just after she died. I wouldn't let one sentence define how a person feels about their son, father or anyone. Vernon cared for his son because he did alot of Elvis dirty work. (Firing Red, Sonny, Dave, etc) I do think he could have done more to help Elvis. I know as a father, I would say/do anything to my son to stop him from destroying his life, even if it means him cutting me out of his life. Do we know that Vernon didn't do more? No because we were not there. If he didn't stand up to Elvis because he was afraid Elvis would send him to the curb, make him a bad father? No
Vernon was spineless in dealing with Tom and business and seems to have been not the brightest spark. He fsiked to protect his son. He was way out of his depth. In 3 years we will learn the full details of Elvis' autopsy and perhaps why he had the contents sealed for 50 years
The part about his mother maybe not but stress from elvis lifestyle and elvis was in the hospital again for drug issues so maybe vernon had a legit reason to think that.
Baz movie don't hold much credit , how much if that movie is accurate, 20 per cent if that
I found that movie very disappointing. Priscilla is much worse.
It's actually a fairly accurate film. Vernon did persuade Elvis to stay with Parker bec of the bills, idk if I blame him for being weak, my mom is a lot like him. But Dr. Nick went to the Colonel about lessening the tours bec elvis' dependency on pills was cyclic, due to the hectic tour and performances. And it was life and death. Colonel ignored him. Finally desperate, he went to Vernon saying I they don't stop or lessen the tours, Elvis will die. Vernon ignored him too
I agree with u parker was no way as evil as then made him out to be no way elvis going around with b.b king
Film is not accurate on many events , very little is accurate, baz never talked to the people he could of who are alive , he never done his research properly or well,
@elvisrevisited he researched for 9yrs before doing the film. I don't think you understand how films work, that they need to compress many events into 1 for pacing issues, or tweak another for storytelling dramatic purposes, and in another change 2 different events to fit into 1 but maintains the spirit of why both happened. I notice many who complain do not actually know much about Elvis. This film made me an Elvis fan and I've read over 35 books on him since. I had an older Elvis fan state that no way Elvis grew up and had black friends until I shared baz's Sam bell interview which shut her up. Many think Elvis never wore lace, pink or wore eye makeup, hence hate Baz bec Austin wore those, seriously. Many of his old fans are fans like John Lennon was, not much at all yet speak the loudest on being experts on him. Many of these so called fans claim to be fans but are equal fans of Parker and Priscilla, and decry that he should be left alone and forgotten. Some fans!
Verna should of stayed his father only
Oddly enough...Elvis's accountant at the time of his death was Tom Hank's father. Tom always acts like he never knew anything about Elvis, which is not true. There are references to Elvis in some of his movies, especially "Cast Away" which is loaded with Elvis hints that many say support the idea that Elvis faked his death. The line toward the end of the movie says...."it takes a lot to bring someone back from the dead".
Elvis didn't fake his death
He died August 16th 1977
@@Elvisultimatefanchannel I never said he did. I was talking about the fact that it is still out there.
@kris-vs7ed And I never said you did...I was saying it to anyone that was thinking of saying he faked his death to save them the time
Nobody was there. Why you have so much journalists here does the problem with Facebook you know can you close a man to the hospital and everybody have a phone in his hand now
Vernon was a lousy father, lazy and no count. His own father wouldn’t bail him out of jail when he got caught forging a check. He was an extremely poor role model, abusing Gladys, and then later on screwing a married woman in Germany. He didn’t and couldn’t give any descent advice to his son. Gladys was the only one who had any sense. That’s why Elvis loved her so much.
The 3 big influences for elvis was parker Vernon joe
Charlie Hodge who lived with Elvis at Graceland and While in LA - Jerry Schilling If you read his book you would know how much Elvis respected him and He respected Elvis!! Yes Joe & Vernon - and you forget GK George Klein He was there til the end!! Knew Elvis since He was young in HS -
Vernon would beat Gladys. Elvis would call his mom to check up on her because Vernon would beat.
Good fathers are kind to their children's mother
I didn’t know that😢
Thank you. He did it when he was drinking too. And Vernon knew about Elvis’s drug use but never once confronted him as far as anyone has ever said. Sad. He cared more about the money coming in than he did his own son in my opinion.
The man is dead. Leave it alone
Yes worry about your own father and mother people still won't hold elvis accountable for all of his choices not just the drugs.
In understanding Vernon, I think you have to look back at his father. Born in 1896, Elvis' Grandfather Jessie D Presley was often regarded as the 'bad apple' of his family- and described as being 'mean as hell'. A womanizer and a drinker who abandoned his family early on, it seems. I guess this was passed on to Vernon, except for the abandoning as such. In the end he stayed with Elvis, as we all know.
I can't figure out how all these people from other countries feel they are qualified to have an Elvis channel and analyze Elvis and his family. #1 they don't know the customs and values of the US, and they certainly can't analyze Elvis and his family values objectively as they are from a totally different life style and environment. Vernon and Gladys lied about their ages to get married. Gladys was older than Vernon. Vernon was a ladies man, but he was lazy. He rarely worked, or could keep a job. Elvis once said when asked what kind of work his father did. He said... "My father has had a bad back for 23 years". That was Vernon's excuse for not working. Elvis knew his father was on the lazy side, and that he abused his mother. That is one of the reasons Elvis and Gladys was so close. He was her protector and she his. Vernon was jealous of the relationship between Elvis and Gladys. He even blamed Elvis for her death. saying she worried so much about him. Jealous Vernon was lazy, a drinker, and a cheater, and he'd beat up on Gladys. That is one reason Gladys always called her while he was on the road. Gladys worked hard, and was the person who kept that family together. Vernon was self centered, and was jealous of the relationship between Gladys and Elvis, but he was also the reason they were close. He was abusive, lazy, and narcissistic. That was one of the reasons Elvis was close to his mother, and he'd always call her if he was away because he was afraid of how Vernon treated her. Vernon went to jail for about 3 yrs. for forging a check. Gladys supported her and Elvis, and rallied for help to get him out of jail. Gladys worked and supported her and Elvis for 3 yrs while Vernon was in jail. Elvis got his work ethic from his mother. Vernon began traveling with Elvis after Gladys died. Elvis took care of his Aunt Delta and Minnie Mae. (his dad's side of the family) Vernon met Dee Stanley in Germany not long after Gladys died. Vernon was so egotistical, as he thought nothing of adding to Elvis' burden financially when he decided to marry Dee Stanley who had 3 kids. Elvis supported a whole family of moochers. Dee and her 3 kids. Dee was actually interested in Elvis. Elvis was not interested in her, so she nabbed Vernon. She was the biggest user. and liar. Vernon complained about how Elvis spent his money but Elvis supported Vernon, Dee, and her 3 kids, and they all received a lot of money from Elvis. That was ok. Vernon eventually divorced Dee. but her sons still mooched off of Elvis. Don't read anything written by the Stanleys. Dee, David, or Ricky. They are liars. When Vernon died he left everything he had to his last wife, when it probably should have been left to Lisa. I don't think Vernon was a very smart man but was selfish and cheap and knew how to work in his own best interest. Elvis was unselfish like Gladys. Vernon was selfish and self-centered. Too bad Elvis couldn't meet in the middle with his father. Elvis loved his father. His actions prove this, but Elvis should have had an accountant who worked with Vernon. An accountant I'm sure would have found ways to save some of Elvis' money or would have invested it.
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