I have a 38 Special, several 9mm's, a new 5.7mm and a pair of 1911s in 45ACP. And I just ordered a Magnum Research BFR in 45/70. Now which one do you think is more powerful. Also as far as your scientific test, well it definitely depends on just how high your bullet enters that container.
@@williegates3532not really a .22 will just leave a whole in your arm & it just leaves dents when you shoot cement blocks. A 50AE will blow your limb off and blow the top off a cement block.
Energy levels are similar, though the hotest 45 loads outperform the hottest 9mm loads in energy. The 45 shines with twice the projectile weight for greater momentum in penetration, it makes a bigger hole when projectiles fail to expand, and it makes a substantially larger permanent hole with expanding projectiles. Hole size is what contributes to stopping power…it’s about rapid blood loss when large internal organs are penetrated. .
This is true. I'm more of a 45 Colt shooter, but to people who don't know, the versatility of 45 loads can vary wildly. They have some loads that even at 300 grains, rival the speeds of a +p 9mm at 115 grains. They actually generate similar pressure to 44mag when loaded that way. Really fun out of a Henry, but I probably wouldn't fire them out of any random handgun.
@@livewithnick The more credible ammunitions manufactures offer personal defense loads using expanding projectiles tuned to penetrate at least 12” into living mediums yet without over-penetrating where some also substantially out-expand smaller calibers to as much as .94” diameters (e.g., Federal 230 gr. HST hollow point). It’s a misunderstanding to think that the .45 ACP lacks adequate penetration.
Lol you must never have shot anything a day in your life. Anyone who's been to the range more than once could make that shot standing on their head blindfolded.
Yeah I notice the reason the 9mil splash was bigger was because it popped a pinhole in the bottle under pressure... If you look real close the reason the .45 ain't spraying as much as because the .45 cut the entire bottom of the bottle off so all the pressure went at once A LOT QUICKER
Notice all the movement from the 9mm was soda fueled. Then notice how the 45acp actually pushed the bottle back in a straight line then the soda came out.
9mm has higher velocity thats why it look like it did more damage the 45 is lnown to be heavy and slow and hits u like a brick it was litterly created to drop human beings more effectively(so was the .40 sw and .357 mag) and the 1911 is still relevant and in use today
Great video brother. I fall in the middle of this argument because with quality ammo 45 transfers more energy on meat targets but is it enough to sacrifice capacity? Prolly not
Both 9mm and .45 ACP are roughly equal in terms of energy foot pounds on paper, across most commonly available bullet styles. The difference between them lies in HOW they dump the energy they have into the target. Also what kind of target is being impacted. 9mm being slightly smaller in diameter, a bit faster in velocity, but half the mass of a .45 ACP (115 grains vs 230 grains) does a bit better against common barriers like wood, thin metals, and because of the hydrostatic displacement from having a few hundred more fps in velocity, is going to splash more water when fired into a liter bottle of soda. The .45 ACP otoh, makes a bigger hole (comparing FMJ) and plows through more SOFT tissue better than 9mm especially at longer distances. .45 ACP hardball is known to nearly penetrate two 15" gel blocks laid out end to end and, make more flex and wobble or jumping of the gelatin blocks from the table. Also being twice the mass as 9mm, the .45 ACP sheds velocity at lower RATE than 9mm. In short, .45 ACP is 90% as dangerous as 200 yards as it is from the muzzle in a non armored , soft tissue target.
Garand Thumb makes great videos but he is not immune to being incorrect his test was quite flawed especially since Norma MHP .45 sucks while the 9mm is actually good the test would’ve been better with federal HST. Either way the .45 auto literally puts a bigger hole in you meaning you bleed out faster. The 9mm has more advantages mainly being price and similar size firearms in 9mm hold more ammo. But to say 9mm has comparable lethality to .45 is pure nonsense.
That’s not true. People survive 45acp. Shot placement matters and a 45acp has less penetration and less kinetic energy over a longer distance. 9mm destroy a 45 in ballistics. 45 is a great subsonic round and will definitely get the job done, but we have to stop pretending that it is superior to the 9mm. It hasn’t been in a long time. That’s why most militaries have adopted the 9mm as a sidearm. It’s more effective, has more available to the market, cheaper ammo, more capacity, and better penetration. Stopping power is a myth. There is no reason to believe that a .45 does anything other than get to the target slower. I like .45acp. It’s a great round, but facts are facts.
@@renegadephilosopher5996 Look up lucky gunner. Most of the 45 acp they tested penetrated above standards for terminal performance. Not only that, expansion(bigger hole) has a higher chance of touching vital structures. Ever hear gunshot victims talk about a bullet being a "half inch from my heart etc?" Yeah width matters, ALOT. Some of those 45acp were expanding to a full INCH. You do not see that with 9mm. The military adoption has more to do with being easier to shoot. A 10mm, 357 sig smokes a 9mm in every way, wanna take a guess as to why the military doesn't use it? Has nothing to do with performance.
I have multiples of both calibers. I train and plink with 9mm. For carry and home defense I use 45 acp. Why google how many people have survived MULTIPLE 9mm you will be SHOCKED how many have survived 9,12,up to 20 hits with a 9mm. That's real proof nobody survives or requires that many hits with a 45acp!!!
How about working out the formula for foot pounds of energy. Mass x velocity squared/450,240 constant. They both come out the same....about 370 foot pounds.
You'll notice that the reason there was less liquid dispersed is because the gravity of the 45acp force made the liquid stay closer to the target. Like when you drop a heavy rock into water and the liquid splashes up and then follows back down with gravity , this is similar from the force moving in that direction the liquid follows behind the bullet instead of dispersing away from it
I mean, yeah there’s a bigger explosion. if you close a hose water comes out with more pressure and sprays further. The bottle hit with the 45 gets way more air, flips multiple times and go way further back than the 9 😅.
Both have their advantage. I have 9's, but I'd say 40 is the best of both. 45 lots of blood loss, 9 for multiple targets and penetration, 40 takes care of both.
Couldn’t have said it better. I love my 3 45s. 2 being 45 long. But love my Sig 40. And there are times when even I carry my wife’s 9. Depends on the best guess of whatever my situation calls for.
9mm is the better choice because the velocity makes the rounds preform damn near the same ballistically speaking so unless you’re using an smg indoors suppressed .45s is just a sounding cool thing if you really want more look towards the .40 or if you live in grizzly or polar territory 10mm with a 454 or a 500 as a trail gun with any other predators your fine with just the 10mm
.45 just sounds cool? Let me give you a gun range instructor question. A lion is 100 feet away & closing in. You only have 3 rounds of plinking ammo. What gun are you shooting the .45 or the 9? While room chose the .45..... so would you
@Neil_mccauley365 I would choose the 9mm since it simply has a better shot at penetrating vital organs. .45 is an archaic round effective against 135lb Philippino soldiers and that's about it.
depends one has higher velocity and less kentic energy and the other has lower velocity and more kentic energy but the difference in velocity really isn’t that significant (FMJ based)
One thing I love about 45 automatic is that it was never designed to penetrate so hollowpoint/frangables are so much less likely to over penetrate than there 9mm counterparts
The .45 was designed for penetration and was designed for hard FMJ ball ammo , Most .45s wont run hollow points well , and lastly the .45 moves too slow for hollow points to become effective and efficient
I like the round, the traditional 1911 historic piece, its engineering, safety, and reliability. Practice with your gun most importantly. .45 being a larger in diameter bullet with more energy behind it makes it a bone crusher, you dont need hollowpoints for a .45. 9mm is best explained as the honda civic of calibers. I prefer my cadillac, its got class and does the same thing .
I own both, I love the 1911 but I refuse to carry it because of the claw on the back and capacity. My g19 is so perfect to me in every way, its so much more comfortable then anything and I got a 40 shield and sig 380 too
Stopping power doesn't matter as much as wounding effect. And both calibers have a role to play. 💪 45 is silent with a hush can. But I still bought both
@@brianbrown9700 stopping power matters. 45acp literally was created for that purpose. Just look at the Philippine-American war. The filipinos would still charge in and even kill the person shooting at them with a bolo because the .38 had no stopping power. The US would end up using their rifles instead to make sure they would go down. Also wounding the attacker doesn't really matter if the attacker still would be able to attack and propably kill you. If you haven't noticed, cops have to literally mag dump a 9mm just so any suspect would stop moving. You would be too shy to move if you get hit a by a .45 lol. Just saying.
I guess against good armor, both are inadequately sized, but its more the grains than the actual projectile. I wouldnt trust either to necessarily knock someone over if they have on a vest you cant penetrate. That west hollywood robbery had a lot of good ballistic data but idk what all rounds hit their armor.
i know 9mm is overall reliable, but ive heard several stories of attackers being pumped full of 9mm and still coming at the defender. ive never heard that with the 45
2.4mm isn't much of a difference. 9mm 115 grain at 1175 fps has more energy than 45acp. The 45 acp 230 grain going 800 fps has the same energy as a 32oz bottle of water going 70 mph in your car. I'd rather take more energy in a smaller, denser package, aka 9mm.
@@Radvous2.4mm is a pretty big difference when we’re talking about a hole in you’re body! Also what kind of pure nonsense are we talking here a modern .45 230 grain round will move at 900 fps from a full size gun just like a 115 grain 9mm will get that 1175 fps from a full size gun…. The .45 auto would only get such pathetic speeds from a 3.5 inch barrel using very anemic target ammo… What’s with 9mm guys always comparing 9mm in the most favorable situations to the most anemic .45 auto! Not to mention we’re acting like 185 or 200 grain does not exist in .45 which will go faster and deliver more energy. Just an absolutely ridiculous comment you decided to type up. I carry a 9mm for its advantages over .45 mainly being price and greater capacity in similarly sized weapons. But to act like 9mm will have the lethality of a .45 is absolutely ridiculous
Look up "Taylor KO Factor". According to Taylor's math, the 9mm NATO round is a 7.2 KO. The .45 ACP is 12.6 KO. For reference, the 10mm is a little over 13.
45 has more energy, but it's super weird to stretch out to a distance. 50 yards you're aiming well above the target lobbing em in there. I'd rather have 9mm where I can hit out to 100 without just guessing at my point of aim. It's got enough energy to stop whatever threat might come my way.
At 50 yards, you shouldn't be shooting any pistol. That is rifle and shotgun work. As we have been taught from our elders, a pistol is for fighting your way back to a real gun.
@@Scupplin right, but realistically you have no idea what distance you might have to engage from. Remember the Elijah Dicken? 40 yards, 10 shots 8 hits with a Glock 19. Stopped a mass shooter. So sometimes you might have to engage at those ranges. If you're out walking through the mall, you don't have another gun to get back to. Your concealed carry is what you've got. Use it and stop the guy or run, your call. Really I prefer 9 because the energy difference isn't that great, 9 expands better usually (speed equals expansion) and it allows for far more capacity. But also, I can make hits reliably out to 50 if I had to.
No bro, that .45 left a bigger hole, thats why the soda didnt gush out as much as the 9mm. The 9mm hole was smaller and thus it took longer for the soda to escape the 2liter.
Bullet is bullet; I’m confident either will get the job done. 9mm tends to be more popular for the small and easy to conceal guns, so that is what I use.
9 makes a bigger splash because the hole is smaller and theres more pressure from the carbonated liquid inside the bottle. 45 makes a larger hole which allows more carbonated liquid to flow through with less pressure.
9mm is better than .45acp. 9mm has better penetration and hollow points tend to have better expansion. 45 makes a bigger hole but that’s not going to matter in the end. Better distance with 9mm as well. I will take the higher capacity, faster better expanding round.
45acp is slower than 9mm and will dump more energy, but pistol velocity generally doesn’t get too high so at that point it’s about putting holes in your target not the size of the hole. Rifles that have a higher velocity is where you get better ballistics so projectile size and grain will play a factor, not so much with handguns which is why 9mm is the logical choice for EDC
You gotta love these 1 shot soda bottle scientific tests. How much more proof do you people need. Some question ballistic gel VS mimicking the human body but nobody dare challenges the 2 liter pop bottle test lol.
I own both but I edc 45 acp at the end of the day both of these rounds will do the job just fine. I carry 31 rounds on me with my 45 so I’m not lacking capacity however thats not very common. If it was between a 45 with 7+1 and a 9mm with 15+1 I’d take the 9mm all day because capacity is king, especially if you are worried about facing more than one threat.
I don’t know why people argue about the 9mm vs 45 bullshit, they’re both going to do a shit ton of damage it’s more about preference than anything, though it is true that the hotter 45 rounds are more effective than the hotter 9mm rounds, I’d personally rather carry a 1911 than a Glock simply because I like the 1911 more not because I’m afraid 9mm isn’t sufficient.
Actually depending on the bullet weight and velocity of each round they could be equal when it comes to power. They can both have exactly the same energy in foot pounds when they strike the target.
@@theannouncer5538 850 feet per second equals 283.333 yards per second and "maybe" you can jump out of the way of it at 45 feet. What the hell are you smoking? LMAO
Interesting fact. Both will kill you. I say this as a guy who saw a 290 lbs biker dude dead on a slab from what the detective said was a 380.. He had one round to the liver.
.45 was smaller because fully two thirds of its energy was spent erasing that bottle's soul from existence. No but seriously, jokes aside both are very capable rounds. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of either.
9mm guys - afforadability, shootabilty, ultra common, more bullet designs 45 guys - BUT!.. BUT BIG BOOLET MAKE BIG BOOM (and major over compensation for something else)
For layman's purposes, and to not sound like a meatrider, heres my two cents. 9mm is usually a more concealable platform, with more portability, capacity, and accuracy, less bullet drop at distance (though why on earth a human should need to use 9mm for anything other than threats or meals between 5-25 yards away, after 25 yards gets to where the threat isnt really a threat unless they are actovely peppering you with bullets. .45 is an iffy caliber for me because i dont understand personally whats the point of having a little more power, way less ammo, a heavier platform which will wear you down faster, and you inevitably may not be able to find plentiful ammo because so many gods caliber people bought most of it first, or they wasted all their ammo practicing to get good with a bullet thats gonna drop nearly 3 inches before it hits 25 yards, vs a bullet that drops the same after 100 yards or greater. All in all, i dont wanna get shot by either, or any bullet. But i trust 9mm over 45 every day of the year
Whoever glorifies the 45 is weird. I mean the round might be powerful buts its slow asf the 9mm its better in many different ways. Capacity, velocity easier to find .
Lets be honest, if youre in a shootout the last thing that matters is speed of a bullet as most shootouts are at an average of maximum range of like 30ft(I'm high balling too) 9mm for shot placement,followup shots, capacity, and penetration 45 is good but dont believe the hype there is no "stopping power" several videos of people on the internet taking a .45 (with vest on ofcourse) and they take it like a champ.
There really isnt a " power difference " in 9mm and 45 acp in standard pressure loads. Now that changes a little bit when you get a good 45 +p load.. then a good 45+p will usually edge out all but the most powerful of +p+ 9mm loads. The 45 gained its reputation from the old loads. Where 9mm vs 45 was almost always standard pressure full metal jacket. The 45 shined here because, well, its a .45" vs a 3.5" (Ish) bullet. 9mm closed this gap with higher pressures, and modern expanding bullet design.. but make no mistake, a 45acp is a bettwr anti personell round than 9mm assuming it performs correct 45acp hst gets 14 or 15 " of penetration with damn near 3/4" of expansion. Vs the same round in 9mm gets similar penetration but 1/2" expansion. At the end of the day, the 40sw is better than both of them
However, submachine guns like the MP45, UMP, and Thompson I can see why you would want a 45acp for those, as in that respect you have a larger platform, longer sight radius, a stock, and higher capacity.
If .45 acp was better then why doesn't law enforcement use it anymore and all use 9mm? There have been a lot of tests done and with modern day 9mm it's certainly caught up to what the .45 can do. Everyone saying. 45 is better is just sour because they need to spend twice as much to practice. Truth , I don't care what anyone says.
I'm one of those people. And heres the explanation. (I'm only gonna scratch the surface of it). Pistols are for close quarters combat, while rifles are for mid-long range combat. In close quarters. .45 acp is the dominant round it hold more mass with more stopping power. At further ranged targets. When we don't use our pistols anymore. The 5.56x45 is a more accurate, flatter shooting projectile. Rather than is more massive competitor round 7.62x39. At mid-long range accurate rounds down range are crucial. That's why we like. 45 for side arms and 5.56 for longer range.
This is so hard to compare. Sometimes a 9mm will penetrate more, but a 45 will go through tough items easier, like thin metal. A 45 dumps more energy into the target. A 9mm gives you more capacity and better recoil which leads to better shot placement. The smaller guns like the p365 is a plus as well. The 45 is much better up close and the 9mm is better when you go past 100 yards. If you want the best of both worlds, get a 10mm or a 45 super.
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9mm kills the body, .45 ACP kills the soul
.600 ne pistol overpowers both
"9mm blows the lung 🫁 out of the body".
10mm kills the universe
@@CleepIsMe 50AE: look at these kids
For me it either 9mm or 10mm no inbetweens unless we’re talking about the fn 545 tactical
I personally have both 45 & 9, I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of either.
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I have both n .22 wouldn’t be on the end of that.
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I have a 38 Special, several 9mm's, a new 5.7mm and a pair of 1911s in 45ACP. And I just ordered a Magnum Research BFR in 45/70. Now which one do you think is more powerful.
Also as far as your scientific test, well it definitely depends on just how high your bullet enters that container.
@@sohomesick1 bro goose hunts he uses shotguns of course he would say some like that😂
Any gun gonna make u feel like your dying I don’t know why they like to compare
@@williegates3532not really a .22 will just leave a whole in your arm & it just leaves dents when you shoot cement blocks. A 50AE will blow your limb off and blow the top off a cement block.
9mm kills the body
.45 ACP kills the wallet
9mm kills the body
.45 cap kills the soul
5.7 kills the wallet
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9mm kills the body 45 kills the savings 10mm makes you file for bankruptcy.
Energy levels are similar, though the hotest 45 loads outperform the hottest 9mm loads in energy. The 45 shines with twice the projectile weight for greater momentum in penetration, it makes a bigger hole when projectiles fail to expand, and it makes a substantially larger permanent hole with expanding projectiles. Hole size is what contributes to stopping power…it’s about rapid blood loss when large internal organs are penetrated. .
An excellent breakdown 💯
This is true. I'm more of a 45 Colt shooter, but to people who don't know, the versatility of 45 loads can vary wildly. They have some loads that even at 300 grains, rival the speeds of a +p 9mm at 115 grains. They actually generate similar pressure to 44mag when loaded that way. Really fun out of a Henry, but I probably wouldn't fire them out of any random handgun.
I verily doth concur😅
but .45 doesnt penetrate any much better if any.
@@livewithnick The more credible ammunitions manufactures offer personal defense loads using expanding projectiles tuned to penetrate at least 12” into living mediums yet without over-penetrating where some also substantially out-expand smaller calibers to as much as .94” diameters (e.g., Federal 230 gr. HST hollow point). It’s a misunderstanding to think that the .45 ACP lacks adequate penetration.
Dude! We just gonna skip over the fact that he one hand shot, both those bottles? Those were some pretty nice shots!
Exactly my point too!!
At that range that's not a difficult shot at all, I would be extremely embarrassed if I missed the target at that range, one hand or not.
That’s what happens when u use these things call sights and also use this technique called aiming.
Lol you must never have shot anything a day in your life. Anyone who's been to the range more than once could make that shot standing on their head blindfolded.
You said 9mm was bigger? Gods caliber sent the bottle tumbling just like a tank will when you hit it with the 45
the fnx45 goes hard
Indeed it does 🔥
When life is on the line you’ll be glad to have either caliber in hand.
It's not obvious from this video, but the .45 ACP hit so hard that a foreman at the bottling company was knocked on his ass...
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Well played sir!
😂😂😂good one
Yeah I notice the reason the 9mil splash was bigger was because it popped a pinhole in the bottle under pressure... If you look real close the reason the .45 ain't spraying as much as because the .45 cut the entire bottom of the bottle off so all the pressure went at once A LOT QUICKER
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Shot placement is the key.
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I get so sick of hearing "shot placement". A perpetrator in motion is not a paper target at the range.
Got both but 45 all day
Notice all the movement from the 9mm was soda fueled. Then notice how the 45acp actually pushed the bottle back in a straight line then the soda came out.
Most self-defense situations are from 3 - 7yards. So maximum stopping power for CCW seems quite logical. 45 for me.
I like your science!
Science is awesome
9mm has higher velocity thats why it look like it did more damage the 45 is lnown to be heavy and slow and hits u like a brick it was litterly created to drop human beings more effectively(so was the .40 sw and .357 mag) and the 1911 is still relevant and in use today
Great video brother. I fall in the middle of this argument because with quality ammo 45 transfers more energy on meat targets but is it enough to sacrifice capacity? Prolly not
Both 9mm and .45 ACP are roughly equal in terms of energy foot pounds on paper, across most commonly available bullet styles. The difference between them lies in HOW they dump the energy they have into the target. Also what kind of target is being impacted. 9mm being slightly smaller in diameter, a bit faster in velocity, but half the mass of a .45 ACP (115 grains vs 230 grains) does a bit better against common barriers like wood, thin metals, and because of the hydrostatic displacement from having a few hundred more fps in velocity, is going to splash more water when fired into a liter bottle of soda. The .45 ACP otoh, makes a bigger hole (comparing FMJ) and plows through more SOFT tissue better than 9mm especially at longer distances. .45 ACP hardball is known to nearly penetrate two 15" gel blocks laid out end to end and, make more flex and wobble or jumping of the gelatin blocks from the table. Also being twice the mass as 9mm, the .45 ACP sheds velocity at lower RATE than 9mm. In short, .45 ACP is 90% as dangerous as 200 yards as it is from the muzzle in a non armored , soft tissue target.
45 is a stopping round 9mm is a fast sharp round 😮 both very effective
That .45 made that thing do a flip 😅
Garand thumb proved this debate is pointless. The biggest difference is the price. Ill take a 9 over 45.
Garand Thumb makes great videos but he is not immune to being incorrect his test was quite flawed especially since Norma MHP .45 sucks while the 9mm is actually good the test would’ve been better with federal HST. Either way the .45 auto literally puts a bigger hole in you meaning you bleed out faster. The 9mm has more advantages mainly being price and similar size firearms in 9mm hold more ammo. But to say 9mm has comparable lethality to .45 is pure nonsense.
You may survive when shot with a 9mm, but good luck surviving the 45
Yeah, good luck to whatever organs it hit though 😂
That’s not true. People survive 45acp. Shot placement matters and a 45acp has less penetration and less kinetic energy over a longer distance. 9mm destroy a 45 in ballistics. 45 is a great subsonic round and will definitely get the job done, but we have to stop pretending that it is superior to the 9mm. It hasn’t been in a long time. That’s why most militaries have adopted the 9mm as a sidearm. It’s more effective, has more available to the market, cheaper ammo, more capacity, and better penetration. Stopping power is a myth. There is no reason to believe that a .45 does anything other than get to the target slower. I like .45acp. It’s a great round, but facts are facts.
@@renegadephilosopher5996 Look up lucky gunner. Most of the 45 acp they tested penetrated above standards for terminal performance. Not only that, expansion(bigger hole) has a higher chance of touching vital structures. Ever hear gunshot victims talk about a bullet being a "half inch from my heart etc?" Yeah width matters, ALOT. Some of those 45acp were expanding to a full INCH. You do not see that with 9mm. The military adoption has more to do with being easier to shoot. A 10mm, 357 sig smokes a 9mm in every way, wanna take a guess as to why the military doesn't use it? Has nothing to do with performance.
@@bmx7596you’re trippin homie
If you get shot with a 9mm, you may not want to live.
Nice video
Depends on the rounds because a civil defense 50gr 9mm hollow would’ve done the same lbs
45 caused more damage, leading to more ways for the soda to flow to hence the smaller explosion
They both work fine it’s just controllability different
I have multiples of both calibers. I train and plink with 9mm. For carry and home defense I use 45 acp. Why google how many people have survived MULTIPLE 9mm you will be SHOCKED how many have survived 9,12,up to 20 hits with a 9mm. That's real proof nobody survives or requires that many hits with a 45acp!!!
With FMJ maybe... No way with JHP bullets.
How about working out the formula for foot pounds of energy. Mass x velocity squared/450,240 constant. They both come out the same....about 370 foot pounds.
You'll notice that the reason there was less liquid dispersed is because the gravity of the 45acp force made the liquid stay closer to the target. Like when you drop a heavy rock into water and the liquid splashes up and then follows back down with gravity , this is similar from the force moving in that direction the liquid follows behind the bullet instead of dispersing away from it
I mean, yeah there’s a bigger explosion. if you close a hose water comes out with more pressure and sprays further. The bottle hit with the 45 gets way more air, flips multiple times and go way further back than the 9 😅.
Whichever you train with and shoot more is the best
Both have their advantage. I have 9's, but I'd say 40 is the best of both. 45 lots of blood loss, 9 for multiple targets and penetration, 40 takes care of both.
Couldn’t have said it better. I love my 3 45s. 2 being 45 long. But love my Sig 40. And there are times when even I carry my wife’s 9. Depends on the best guess of whatever my situation calls for.
speed transfer does hydrostatic shock. the faster the bullet, the more shock. thats what rifle bullets do. handguns, not so much.
9mm is the better choice because the velocity makes the rounds preform damn near the same ballistically speaking so unless you’re using an smg indoors suppressed .45s is just a sounding cool thing if you really want more look towards the .40 or if you live in grizzly or polar territory 10mm with a 454 or a 500 as a trail gun with any other predators your fine with just the 10mm
45 Super is equal to 10mm if not better. Atomic ammo plus p .45ACP is supersonic and in the 600 ft-lbs range aka 10mm/.357 power in a bigger bullet
.45 just sounds cool? Let me give you a gun range instructor question. A lion is 100 feet away & closing in. You only have 3 rounds of plinking ammo. What gun are you shooting the .45 or the 9? While room chose the .45..... so would you
@@Neil_mccauley36510mm, ya know the one actually used to take down down big game. 45 has anemic penetration with its slow velocity and large size
@johncena-hq1ti thought this was a 45 / 9 question, how did 10 get into the equation? gotta love the internet.
@Neil_mccauley365 I would choose the 9mm since it simply has a better shot at penetrating vital organs. .45 is an archaic round effective against 135lb Philippino soldiers and that's about it.
depends one has higher velocity and less kentic energy and the other has lower velocity and more kentic energy but the difference in velocity really isn’t that significant (FMJ based)
One thing I love about 45 automatic is that it was never designed to penetrate so hollowpoint/frangables are so much less likely to over penetrate than there 9mm counterparts
The .45 was designed for penetration and was designed for hard FMJ ball ammo , Most .45s wont run hollow points well , and lastly the .45 moves too slow for hollow points to become effective and efficient
@@JohnYazellYou mean a traditional 1911, hollow points chambered in .45 don't suffer across every platform.
I like the round, the traditional 1911 historic piece, its engineering, safety, and reliability. Practice with your gun most importantly. .45 being a larger in diameter bullet with more energy behind it makes it a bone crusher, you dont need hollowpoints for a .45. 9mm is best explained as the honda civic of calibers. I prefer my cadillac, its got class and does the same thing .
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I own both, I love the 1911 but I refuse to carry it because of the claw on the back and capacity. My g19 is so perfect to me in every way, its so much more comfortable then anything and I got a 40 shield and sig 380 too
I'll stick with .45acp. Definitely has that stopping power to knock the bottle back instead of going right through it.
Stopping power doesn't matter as much as wounding effect. And both calibers have a role to play. 💪 45 is silent with a hush can. But I still bought both
@@brianbrown9700 stopping power matters. 45acp literally was created for that purpose. Just look at the Philippine-American war. The filipinos would still charge in and even kill the person shooting at them with a bolo because the .38 had no stopping power. The US would end up using their rifles instead to make sure they would go down. Also wounding the attacker doesn't really matter if the attacker still would be able to attack and propably kill you. If you haven't noticed, cops have to literally mag dump a 9mm just so any suspect would stop moving. You would be too shy to move if you get hit a by a .45 lol. Just saying.
Or learn to aim n u can use any caliber
@@diontewilliams3357 wtf are you talking about?
Simple tf goofy😂I said or people can learn to aim then it wouldn’t matter watt caliber u use. It’s simple
It may go a bit slower but it is still a much larger bullet, it's not as if a 9mm can get through any armor anyway
45 acp .... All day Everyday !
I've never seen someone showing off 45 scars
@@destinmorrissey6058someone has never had to worry about shooting a fucking bear..
Rich no doubt
9 mm is decent but the 45 up close is just devastating Though 2 l bottles literally flipped 3 times
.45 kind of spits out like a cannon 9mm more snappy to me
9mm has more velocity less expansion both are good but if u shooting from far use 9mm
Legend has it that the .45 is still going and still taking down 2 liters
I guess against good armor, both are inadequately sized, but its more the grains than the actual projectile. I wouldnt trust either to necessarily knock someone over if they have on a vest you cant penetrate. That west hollywood robbery had a lot of good ballistic data but idk what all rounds hit their armor.
The 9mm had a bigger pop duento speed, the .45 did what it does. Slow and proud.
The 45 caliber, there is no caliber that can compete with it, the old school one is the best, one that tempts you and you go to the hole👌👌
i know 9mm is overall reliable, but ive heard several stories of attackers being pumped full of 9mm and still coming at the defender. ive never heard that with the 45
Tell me you from Texas without telling me you from Texas ( Heb brand soda ) 🔥😤
Nothing less 💪🏾
Higher velocity, but they're both going to hurt.
higher velocity less kentic energy
45. I like making bigger holes with my Glock 30s
Love the Glock 30, that’s my edc. I use a 17 round mag and a 13 round back up mag for it.
RIP Mr. Glock.
2.4mm isn't much of a difference. 9mm 115 grain at 1175 fps has more energy than 45acp. The 45 acp 230 grain going 800 fps has the same energy as a 32oz bottle of water going 70 mph in your car. I'd rather take more energy in a smaller, denser package, aka 9mm.
as someone stuck in cali, a bs state with round limits, i'll take 10 rounds of 45 over 10 rounds of 9mm.
@@Radvous2.4mm is a pretty big difference when we’re talking about a hole in you’re body! Also what kind of pure nonsense are we talking here a modern .45 230 grain round will move at 900 fps from a full size gun just like a 115 grain 9mm will get that 1175 fps from a full size gun…. The .45 auto would only get such pathetic speeds from a 3.5 inch barrel using very anemic target ammo… What’s with 9mm guys always comparing 9mm in the most favorable situations to the most anemic .45 auto! Not to mention we’re acting like 185 or 200 grain does not exist in .45 which will go faster and deliver more energy. Just an absolutely ridiculous comment you decided to type up. I carry a 9mm for its advantages over .45 mainly being price and greater capacity in similarly sized weapons. But to act like 9mm will have the lethality of a .45 is absolutely ridiculous
Look up "Taylor KO Factor". According to Taylor's math, the 9mm NATO round is a 7.2 KO. The .45 ACP is 12.6 KO. For reference, the 10mm is a little over 13.
45 has more energy, but it's super weird to stretch out to a distance. 50 yards you're aiming well above the target lobbing em in there. I'd rather have 9mm where I can hit out to 100 without just guessing at my point of aim. It's got enough energy to stop whatever threat might come my way.
At 50 yards, you shouldn't be shooting any pistol. That is rifle and shotgun work. As we have been taught from our elders, a pistol is for fighting your way back to a real gun.
@@Scupplin right, but realistically you have no idea what distance you might have to engage from. Remember the Elijah Dicken? 40 yards, 10 shots 8 hits with a Glock 19. Stopped a mass shooter. So sometimes you might have to engage at those ranges. If you're out walking through the mall, you don't have another gun to get back to. Your concealed carry is what you've got. Use it and stop the guy or run, your call.
Really I prefer 9 because the energy difference isn't that great, 9 expands better usually (speed equals expansion) and it allows for far more capacity. But also, I can make hits reliably out to 50 if I had to.
Type of amp makes difference.
No bro, that .45 left a bigger hole, thats why the soda didnt gush out as much as the 9mm. The 9mm hole was smaller and thus it took longer for the soda to escape the 2liter.
Bullet is bullet; I’m confident either will get the job done. 9mm tends to be more popular for the small and easy to conceal guns, so that is what I use.
9 makes a bigger splash because the hole is smaller and theres more pressure from the carbonated liquid inside the bottle. 45 makes a larger hole which allows more carbonated liquid to flow through with less pressure.
9mm will knock your average down. Hollow points good to go..faster follow up..more capacity…9mm for me
9mm is better than .45acp. 9mm has better penetration and hollow points tend to have better expansion. 45 makes a bigger hole but that’s not going to matter in the end. Better distance with 9mm as well. I will take the higher capacity, faster better expanding round.
45acp is slower than 9mm and will dump more energy, but pistol velocity generally doesn’t get too high so at that point it’s about putting holes in your target not the size of the hole. Rifles that have a higher velocity is where you get better ballistics so projectile size and grain will play a factor, not so much with handguns which is why 9mm is the logical choice for EDC
The 45 flipped tf outta that bottle lmao
It's because the hole was smaller and the pressure made more liquid appear from the exit "wound". 45 is superior bigger hole bigger bullet
Look at it another way, 9mm penetrates well and you can survive for a few hours using bandages, but 45.acp leaves no surface you can bandage.
Quit making shit up
At the end of the day a 9mm is enough to protect you! & You get more capacity!
You gotta love these 1 shot soda bottle scientific tests. How much more proof do you people need. Some question ballistic gel VS mimicking the human body but nobody dare challenges the 2 liter pop bottle test lol.
Clearly the most scientific test there is 🤣
I own both but I edc 45 acp at the end of the day both of these rounds will do the job just fine. I carry 31 rounds on me with my 45 so I’m not lacking capacity however thats not very common. If it was between a 45 with 7+1 and a 9mm with 15+1 I’d take the 9mm all day because capacity is king, especially if you are worried about facing more than one threat.
Soda jug shooting. The legend Paul Harrell would approve. Good work
Sticking with the 45acp
The 9mm projectile and .45 projectile is for 2 different jobs
I don’t know why people argue about the 9mm vs 45 bullshit, they’re both going to do a shit ton of damage it’s more about preference than anything, though it is true that the hotter 45 rounds are more effective than the hotter 9mm rounds, I’d personally rather carry a 1911 than a Glock simply because I like the 1911 more not because I’m afraid 9mm isn’t sufficient.
Yeah. Super scientific
Trust me I’m a doctor
Actually depending on the bullet weight and velocity of each round they could be equal when it comes to power. They can both have exactly the same energy in foot pounds when they strike the target.
Very true
Someone fired .45acp at me once, I’m still waiting for the bullet to hit me
😂😂😂
Sure you are. One idiot on TH-cam said he could jump out of the way of a fired .45 round at 10 yards or better. LMAO
@@johnharris8191 I mean…maybe at 15 yards
@@theannouncer5538 850 feet per second equals 283.333 yards per second and "maybe" you can jump out of the way of it at 45 feet. What the hell are you smoking? LMAO
@@johnharris8191 as the kids say, I’m “built different”
Interesting fact.
Both will kill you.
I say this as a guy who saw a 290 lbs biker dude dead on a slab from what the detective said was a 380..
He had one round to the liver.
.45 was smaller because fully two thirds of its energy was spent erasing that bottle's soul from existence.
No but seriously, jokes aside both are very capable rounds. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of either.
Because it’s moving faster doesn’t mean more powerful
9mm guys - afforadability, shootabilty, ultra common, more bullet designs
45 guys - BUT!.. BUT BIG BOOLET MAKE BIG BOOM (and major over compensation for something else)
Im a 1911 .45 guy forever...but i csrry a single action 22lr revolver sometimes..you dont want to get shot it the face with either 1...
Looks like the hole from the 45 was much bigger!!
hole poker vs soul killer
For layman's purposes, and to not sound like a meatrider, heres my two cents. 9mm is usually a more concealable platform, with more portability, capacity, and accuracy, less bullet drop at distance (though why on earth a human should need to use 9mm for anything other than threats or meals between 5-25 yards away, after 25 yards gets to where the threat isnt really a threat unless they are actovely peppering you with bullets. .45 is an iffy caliber for me because i dont understand personally whats the point of having a little more power, way less ammo, a heavier platform which will wear you down faster, and you inevitably may not be able to find plentiful ammo because so many gods caliber people bought most of it first, or they wasted all their ammo practicing to get good with a bullet thats gonna drop nearly 3 inches before it hits 25 yards, vs a bullet that drops the same after 100 yards or greater. All in all, i dont wanna get shot by either, or any bullet. But i trust 9mm over 45 every day of the year
Honestly this argument is just stupid. Either will do the job with about the same efficiency. The differences in real world scenarios are negligible.
9mm over 45 because it’s never about how’d the strongest but who gets they shots off quicker
9mm guy - afforadability, shootabilty, ultra common
45 guy - big boolet make big boom.. (and over compensation for something else)
This was good 😂 you made me laugh
Rather stick with .45 acp more stopping power less shells. No worries 💪
Very scientific test
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9mm are for bugs 45 are for bears
Whoever glorifies the 45 is weird. I mean the round might be powerful buts its slow asf the 9mm its better in many different ways. Capacity, velocity easier to find .
Lets be honest, if youre in a shootout the last thing that matters is speed of a bullet as most shootouts are at an average of maximum range of like 30ft(I'm high balling too)
9mm for shot placement,followup shots, capacity, and penetration 45 is good but dont believe the hype there is no "stopping power" several videos of people on the internet taking a .45 (with vest on ofcourse) and they take it like a champ.
Youre the weird one if you actually think people can dodge the slower .45 just because its "slower" than 9mm lmao😂😂😂😂
What about when you don’t have the knockdown power
What do you mean? You can kill someone with a .22
9mm has more penetration while 45 has more power, there good for different jobs
There really isnt a " power difference " in 9mm and 45 acp in standard pressure loads.
Now that changes a little bit when you get a good 45 +p load.. then a good 45+p will usually edge out all but the most powerful of +p+ 9mm loads.
The 45 gained its reputation from the old loads. Where 9mm vs 45 was almost always standard pressure full metal jacket. The 45 shined here because, well, its a .45" vs a 3.5"
(Ish) bullet.
9mm closed this gap with higher pressures, and modern expanding bullet design.. but make no mistake, a 45acp is a bettwr anti personell round than 9mm assuming it performs correct
45acp hst gets 14 or 15 " of penetration with damn near 3/4" of expansion. Vs the same round in 9mm gets similar penetration but 1/2" expansion.
At the end of the day, the 40sw is better than both of them
9 might have been bigger but the front of the bottle that the 45 hit was completely taken off vs the two tiny holes from the 9mm
However, submachine guns like the MP45, UMP, and Thompson I can see why you would want a 45acp for those, as in that respect you have a larger platform, longer sight radius, a stock, and higher capacity.
Between those 2? 9mm every day.
Though I prefer 10mm. Spec 10mm.
If .45 acp was better then why doesn't law enforcement use it anymore and all use 9mm? There have been a lot of tests done and with modern day 9mm it's certainly caught up to what the .45 can do.
Everyone saying. 45 is better is just sour because they need to spend twice as much to practice. Truth , I don't care what anyone says.
I find it ironic that ppl who prefer .45 over 9mm typically prefer 556 over 762x39
I'm one of those people. And heres the explanation. (I'm only gonna scratch the surface of it). Pistols are for close quarters combat, while rifles are for mid-long range combat. In close quarters. .45 acp is the dominant round it hold more mass with more stopping power. At further ranged targets. When we don't use our pistols anymore. The 5.56x45 is a more accurate, flatter shooting projectile. Rather than is more massive competitor round 7.62x39. At mid-long range accurate rounds down range are crucial. That's why we like. 45 for side arms and 5.56 for longer range.
@@austinnwardd 556 relies on speed while 762 gets the job done reguardless
@@austinnwardd 9 holds twice the capacity as 45 and is faster
Try shooting threw a car door u might be surprised
9mm would actually penetrate
.45 hits hard. Follow up shots not required.
Sorry but .45 is always a win over a 9 in my opinion, can you shoot .40 vs 10 mm next?
This is so hard to compare. Sometimes a 9mm will penetrate more, but a 45 will go through tough items easier, like thin metal. A 45 dumps more energy into the target. A 9mm gives you more capacity and better recoil which leads to better shot placement. The smaller guns like the p365 is a plus as well. The 45 is much better up close and the 9mm is better when you go past 100 yards. If you want the best of both worlds, get a 10mm or a 45 super.