Trebia - Hannibal's first great victory in Italy
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- Visit ow.ly/kj1J30hIvqe for a free trial of The Great Courses Plus. I mentioned a one-month trial, but the offer has changed! Click the link for the most up to date trial offer. The Battle of Trebia was a battle of wits, and Rome lost. It teaches us the importance of breakfast.
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CORRECTION: Massilia was a colony allied to Rome in this period, but not strictly a Roman colony. It was originally Greek, founded in c. 600 B.C.
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No breakfast, marching uphill in the winter in rain and sleet while soaking wet... sounds like my grandpa's description of a typical walk to school back in his day.
"In MY day, we had to wade up a river while stabbing elephants in the butt just to get to school. Can you imagine how upset I was when I got there one day and realised it was a holiday?!"
Lûxery! When I was a lad, I marched four miles in blizzards, in seven feet of water, fought off two invading hordes of invading barbarians in freezing cold just to buy milk for the pourrigde. Then I marched the five miles back in a thundering hailstorm in eight feet of water, just to have my head smacked by a brick by me' ol' Pappa. And did I complain? No-o-o. I thanked him for only smacking me unce! :-D
All jokes aside, though; during my childhood, getting to school was an exercise in diving out of the way of snowplows hurtling down narrow streets through thick blankets of powder snow blowing in every direction. Also, the occasional moose the size of a caravan menacingly standing in your way.
@@eviloatmeal
Canadian?
No. I grew up in Northern Norway.
Last time I was this early Carthage's fields were still unsalted
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
You just woke up my inner Carthagoboo!!
But you know thats a XIX century myth and they were never actually salted, right?
GerackSerack, of course they weren't. Salt was like gold, that would be a COMPLETE waste of salt.
It seems all the salt ended up in this comment's thread... :P
They were never salted that's just a popular myth
To this day, I'm always wary of hidden Gauls when I venture into a wood. That's where they like to lurk! Especially the supple ones lathered in olive oil. That means they're ready for an ambush.
You gotta watch out for the Fat ones they like to beat the shit out of Romans
Today it's called dogging. I don't know the word for this in Italian but I believe that in French it's called Lundi.
@@Saddamuel maybe its because im canadian french but pretty sure Lundi only means monday..
@@Insanifier Yes, Every Monday is dogging day in France. Those damn dirty French!
Charles.....that was funny, mate.
CORRECTION: As several commenters have correctly pointed out, strictly speaking, Massilia was not a 'Roman colony' in this period. Although it would later become one, in this period it was a Roman *allied* colony. It was originally Greek when it was founded some four hundred years earlier. Three beige points go to all those who spotted this slip.
Is the term "Scholar's Cradle" an invention of your own? A Google search turns up surprisingly little information regarding the term, other than people discussing your use of such. I have found other sources that refer to the same or a similar hand gesture as "The Steeple", but one motion, posture, or position can certainly be called by more than one name. I'm just curious if the nomenclature exists beyond your influence, or more specifically, if you were the originator of this particular locution.
As always, thank you for your contributions to my thirst for knowledge!
Is there a gift shop where I can use my Beige points? I’m in need of a new pencil case and ruler for school.
And thus, a new cryptocurrency was born: Beige Points AKA BeigeCoin. I'd do it myself, but I don't know how, so someone get on it, please!
Lindybeige i wrote a comment and just deleted it after scrolling down to this. I admire your swift response old chap!
What? We can earn Beige points?? Why did nobody tell me??
"The gentle art of hitting people."
- Nicholas Lloyd, 2018
Hannibal's feats always astonish me. The man was an absolute genius. If I could see anyone from history and have a conversation with them (obviously being able to understand their language too) it would be him. I wonder how his mind worked because he did some unreal things that seem super human. Crossing the alps in winter, winning battle after battle with considerably smaller forces, his troups would listen to him even in a crisis or on the verge of routing. If gods were real, one definitely loved him more than anyone else on the planet because some battles that had hardly any chance of victory, he'd pull out a victory like a complete boss.
Yes I'm a Hannibal fanboy but can you really blame me? The man was pretty much a god of war.
+yes Y'know, that can be said for I'm sure the majority of great generals. Their greatness wasn't in their super complex rocket sciency maneuvers but in just being able to pull off the shit they did during ages where that shit was considered unpullable.
I think his name means ''beloved by Baal'', so ...
Media and Entertainment you do know you can say that of, damn near every general in history?
is it me or has lindy been pumping out great content at a very fast rate recently?
Hmm yes, it's quite unconventional. Perhaps he hasn't been rambling enough,
Quite unnatural. Abnormal even. Can't be good. But Lindy if you're reading this, don't slow down. My unhhh wife really likes the frequent videos.
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Yes, this serious is very good and there's still plenty more to come seemingly.
Recently as in the last few days, yeah, but there was about a 3 week gap before that, so seems roughly average overall to me. Great to have this much content after the temporary dearth though!
How does he do it?... This way of telling a story you want to listen to. And why were my history lessons all about learning dates?
School and tests are designed to improve your memory, not your intelligence. People with good memories can earn for the economy, but intelligent people fuck off to the beach instead.
My memory is still garbage though :|
Obviously. That's why they know what passive income is and earn on the beach.
Its because he tells it as if it is happening whereas a typical historian just talks about it as already happened. He puts it in the moment rather than the past.
He would make an excellent history teacher , I had a good one for a couple of years , he got really animated describing battles and used to use a backwards chair to ride about like a horse , I think he liked a drink tbh
See, the Velites would have won the battle if they had taken up martial arts from Great Courses Plus.
But more of that later.
These lectures you give are so energized and often filled with moments of extreme detail on the tiniest concepts of your topics- important or not- that you find interesting and I really love listening to all of it! You do a really great job, it shows how passionate you are on the subject, and I appreciate that.
Anyone who runs is a Latin! Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined Latin! [laughs]
EASY, YOU JUST DONT STAB EM AS MUCH, HAHAHA AINT WAR HELL!
THIS IS MY GLADIUS, THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE
Paul Ainsworth Lol, morale restored
I might of woke up my roommates because of this comment. No regrets.
If Hannibal ambushes us, we'll be in a world of shit.
Rubbing the skin with olive oil was traditional for athletes before a competition at this time, so the thinking may have simply been that battle is an athletic undertaking. The symbolism (such as it was) would have been clear to the troops at least.
Olive oil is also a somewhat effective way of cleaning up if you haven't got soap and water - emulsify the (stinky) skin oils with the clean olive oil, scrape off with a strigil.
Or possibly it was cold and they just really needed skin moisturizer.
Propably it was symbolism added by historians, because oiling your skin in freezing weather sounds to me like a great way to get frostbite.
I like this idea of it being really cold.
Maybe a thin layer of oil will prevent the clothes from becoming water-logged?
@@noodlehead199999 Nope, it most certainly does not. And how would that even work? The oil would be under the clothes, and even if you oil your clothes, they're now wet with oil, instead of water.
@@Strang94179 This is entirely conjecture but oil does not evaporate. Therefore it might not drain the body of heat the same way water would.
"Where's my super-army!?" -Frozonus Incredibus.
Remember this was the battle on the Rome Total War demo
There was a forest in the Rome Total War battle smh
Does Nadal count as balearic slinger?
HAAHHAAHHA Yes he should!
I think so
Pau Nuns he would be an iberian slinger :D
Hazzmati
He's from the Balearic islands.
+giovanni9107 ah ok I didn't know thought he was from mainland spain
I have to correct you Lindybeige. Massilia was a Greek Colony founded 600BC which was allied to Rome. 49 BC it became a Roman Puppet after it´s conquest by Caesar. Later on it even became a Roman Province. (Please excuse me, if I did any Mistakes)
Roman allied - you are right. I hope that you can forgive this small slip in mid-ramble.
I've added a correction in the description. I wish I could still do on-screen corrections.
You can add annotations to show on top of the video for such things, though many people do turn annotations off.
Hannibal's first great victory in Italy was mastering the strange and dubious delight of eating spaghetti without cutting it up into small pieces.
Am I really viewing this 10 minutes after it was posted, or is this just a really good dream? I feel a sort of tingling sensation.
The Force is strong with the young ProtoGuy ;)
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*Hannibal Origins: Trebia*
The prequel we have all been waiting for! One can really see the character development in it's early stages and the motivations of the protagonists become much clearer. I have really been enjoying the Punic war Arc, but the Second Punic War Arc really tops it in every way!
I can't wait for the Dawn of Caesar sequel and Triumvirate miniseries that was featured in the book! =)
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"But what about the droid attacks on the wookies?"
New drinking game:
Take a drink every time Lindybeige says: "Anyway....."
Who said alcoholism can't be educational, right?
Love the frequents uploads Lindy, you just made my day!
Lindybeige, you're a hero! You make historical content not only more interesting that it already is, you also add a twist of humor and your enthusiasm is also very appealing to watch. Thanks a lot!
I quite enjoy it when Lindy gets into a good story. Sir, you make history accessible to those of us who haven't the heart for the drier bits.
I'm loving the regular uploads, but... They could do with a bit more beige in them. Maybe "Beige, a History of Beige" would be a good next video.
Oskales The First well, he did have beige people as in North African people, but I do agree he could have used some beige elefants.
"Beige" is a French word.
Re: the oil: A lot of heat loss is moisture evaporating from the skin. A layer of oil slows the evaporation and makes you feel warmer. Next time you're at home on a cold day, before turning up the thermostat, try slathering on a layer of baby oil. You'll feel a difference.
Probably helps with getting wet also.
About the olive oil. Ages ago I watched a program on an African tribe in which, upon nightfall, olive oil is rubbed on the skin for warmth. It was said that the oil coating reduces the evaporation of moisture from skin, thus, actually keeping the user warmer.
The speed at which these new videos are being rolled out is as impressive as the contents. Another great video...
"The Gentle Art of Hitting People" You certainly have a way with words Mr Beige. Keep it up! :)
So sad the young men that died. 17 is so young. It's wrong to say it 'didn't matter too much', even tactically. So sad. Terrible. RIP to everyone that passed.
I've really enjoyed these longer, single battle focused videos recently. They're easy to toss on and just listen to while relaxing
LOVE your videos bro! EXTREMELY well researched, and the passion for; and delivery of; historical information on TH-cam is UNRIVALED! Keep em coming bro, can't get enough!
Another amazing video thanks Lloyd
I love the descriptions of the people, gives a great deal of detail to reimagining the battle
These videos on Hannibal’s battles are amazing. Visited the link for the graphic novel and it looks beautiful. Will definitely be buying two copies!
I just love your channel. The subjects that you talk about in your channel are usually the subjects that I talk with my friends. Just love your channel :)
"This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps."
16:00 nice attempt at a scholar's cradle. Did you practice that for this video? I saw you peeking a second later though!
Edit: I get it now. The course presented today was lacking a scholar's cradle, so that's why there was an attempt by gentleman and scholar Lindybeige himself
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Grillidan, I've never seen any evidence that it's a "real" term. It's just Lloyd's idiolect.
Stuart Morrow no it's called that quite commonly where I am.
I love his story telling... I wish he did these types more often... good man!
I love these lectures. "The elephants did whatever the elephants did" Please continue making these historical videos, I think you do a great job balancing uncertainty and actually making statements (at least when there are no frenchmen involved).
You are a very good speaker
Thank you.
Massilia was actually a greek colony and port until 125 b.c. 0:35
see correction in description
As always I am grateful to view your work. I often watch them more than once or twice or ... Your energy and information come from great effort, dedication, inspiration, research, ability and variety . Much thanks. Please keep up the great work (including how to make bow strings hehe). I know this is six years old but it is still worth watching again (As if it was yesterday - P.S. the Falklands is my favourite) but it is a hard choice - I am a train fan and you did work in that area (amongst many) too etc.). What gets me Lloyd (Nekolas) is how you do it all without the fancy graphics, maps etc. (It is simply You). I have been also interested in your efforts covering the Ukraine as well. Thank you sir.
I really enjoy these long history lectures, Lindy.
Why is there a picture of Jeor Mormont from Game of Thrones in the background?
the olive oil might be a way to prevent trench foot or something similar to it
Viorel viorel nop it’s for water resistance
I can't remember the last time I was awake for a new video. Thanks Lloyd!
Love these types of videos. Great to listen too when doing things.Thank you.
"Formations of pikes can't move fast".
Guess the swiss didn't get the memo.
Swiss pikemen were unarmoured and they didn't have shields right?
@@OljeiKhan Not sure about the unarmoured part (I think they would at least have worn a gambeson if possible) but they didn't carry shields, yes.
Could it be possible that Hannibal's army greased up with olive oil because of the rain? Oil and water don't mix, and if your skin is covered in olive oil then the cold rain/snow might just slide off of you really quickly. I'm not an expert in any of this stuff I just thought it could have been why they did it.
@testhamster, you could also oil your skins, making them more waterproof and comfortable/durable.
Maybe they were going to have a big orgy to distract the romans?
Genius! They'll never see it..... coming.
Would you really have any exposed flesh?
Exposed skin in an orgy? Of course Lindy!
Africa - The Latin (Libyen) word originally was used only in reference to the region around modern Tunisia; it gradually was extended to the whole continent.
These videos are a delight, thank you very much Lloyd :)
Its a trap!
[waves hands mysteriously whilst making odd gestures with the fingers] These are not Carthagenians you are looking for . . .
It does my heart good to hear that even the great Hannibal appreciated the value of slingers in his army! :)
Slingers were a standard missile troop type for thousands of years even after the introduction of bows. I think they only fell out of favor later on because bows were more effective at providing suppressing indirect fire.
As far as i am aware indirect fire was hardly ever effective
And the reason bows were preferred later on was because they were more space efficient so you could more easily have a line of bowman set up to fire at command
Bows also have a range and accuracy advantage over slings
And bows require less training to become moderately accurate with
Compared to slings which are less intuitive
I can’t back any of these up with sources but that is what i have picked up over time from hearsay
Keep 'em coming Lindy! Love your content and the style of presentation!
Another great piece of content keep up the good work and by the way your work on the Iliad Was refreshing and inspiring
Oh yeah that's beige!
The Romans finally turned the tide on Carthage in the Punic Wars with the adoption of the dreaded fire arrow.
Fire arrows is a hollywood trope
You can push that button, but I won't rise to the... oh wait...
I've been in hospital over the weekend and Lindybeige has made my experience great. Forgot i was even there.
This is how teachers in schools should be. Fun, quick and clear.
Brilliant description. Thanks for uploading.
Hannibal is one of my favorite generals from history. There is just something about the image of a man born and raised to be the bane of Rome.
Which was a invention of roman historians
Dip Shit Yes, I know. But it's not
Well, yes it is, we have evidence, that Livius, like often completely exaggerated a story
I'm used to visit my girlfriend which lives on the river Trebia (Trebbia), next time I'll make plenty of hannibal jokes
1 year later... how'd it go?..
dazhibernian she left him :(
"Man, I hate having to flee to Placentia. Last time I was there the whole place was a bloody mess"
I much prefer this kind of video to the others and it's what brought me to the channel in the first place.
How do you keep an elephant quiet before the ambush?
Pfsif punchline when????????? Come on dont make us wait
By packing its trunk?
Pfsif peanuts, duh
You can't, it's an elephantasy.
Peanuts?
Keep up the good work and PS can you do a series on the Mongol invasions
Depending on what you're after, Extra Credits has a brilliant recent series on this focusing on Temüjin aka Genghis Khan, as does Kings & Generals if you're more into the battles and tactics.
I've been blessed this evening with a lindy upload
Thanks Lloyd, these videos are my favorite.
Lindybeige I trust your History Lessons purely becauase of your blatently obvious (....nearly manic but that's ok) fenanticisim of the topics. The hair really helps pull this off too, as I'm sure your aware. Please keep up the good work!!
Fanaticism
27,000 deaths sounds insane. That would be a pain to reform
Stackwipe
I like these a lot!
I listen to a lot of history podcasts, this is in that same vein
I always appreciate lindybeige's thumbnails, they are both amusing and honest
crossing a river for a chase just doesnt sound like a good idea
Why is it that Numidian cavalry was able to defeat the Roman cavalry on several occasions?
I'm sure the numbers helped but Numidians are light cavalry whereas the Roman cavalry were more heavily armed. Even up til the Napoleonic times it was not unheard of for light cavalry to charge heavy cavalry but it was more exceptions / acts of desperation rather than regularity with which the Numidians appear to have licked the Roman horsemen.
Was it a matter of battle experience?
I know it's been a month. But the romans were never really a culture of horsemanship. You see, riding a horse isn't easy. Riding a horse into battle under stress and with high risk isn't easy. Training a horse to be fit for battle and charge masses of enemy troops isn't easy and takes a long time. To be really effective in mounted combat you need to be able to do this things close to perfection. The Numidians were a culture of horsemanship, they grew up riding horses, they had tons of expirience riding horses into battle, while the roman elite preferd to fight on foot in the triarii. Basically they were such great cavalry for the same reason the huns, mongols or scythians were great cavalry. Culture and expirience.
I know it's been another month, but thanks for the reply!
I agree with you. It is just amazing how much of a factor culture and experience can be in even the face of superior armor/weapons.
I forget the source, but I remember reading that during the course of WW1, the Russian Empire eventually dismounted most of their Dragoons, Hussars and Lancers but they retained the Cossacks as mounted units.
thanks for making my midnights awesome Lindy. much love
More on the 2nd Punic war please! Really enjoyed this video, I remember studying this in Ancient history in college but our teacher made it such a drag..
What did Romans actually wear into the battle during the winter? I assume that they didn't wear those shorts and sandals if there was snow outside.
Definitely not trousers.
Romans did wear trousers and socks. I'm just not sure if they already wore them during the punic war
Hazzmati I've not seen any sources that say they wore them this early in time, it was something they picked up later from germanic and gallic barbarians at this point wearing trousers was still considered beneath a civilised roman. Which is why I asserted with a level of confidence definitely not trousers.
Very long and heavy skirts with sturdy boots I presume?
+PsychoBensTV yeah I figured you´re probably right. It´s just difficult to imagine roman soldiers walking around in the middle of winter with just short sleeved tunics and just caligue at their feet. They would have to had something back then in the earlier time to keep themselves warm.
It's funny i was actually picturing this as a Total War scenario battle and then you went and used a screen shot from the game itself.
This battle was the one they used as the playable demo for the original Rome: Total War
I bought Rome Total war a while back but it was after i had already enjoyed and played countless hours of Medieval Total War II so i had a problem going backwards in graphics/game play and sadly it sort of just sat and collected dust. Maybe ill look for it and give it another go.
Yeah word, I was an avid fan of the original Medieval, so Rome was actually mind blowing graphics when it came out if you can believe that haha. Medieval 2 is probably the highlight of the series for me though, IMO the strategic map got too complicated and the battles too dumbed down since then, although I did enjoy Warhammer.
Yes! Please make more videos on battles/events.
I found your channel a few days ago, and I haven't been able to do homework because all I want to do is watch your videos
What's happening with the graphic novel?
It was delayed slightly but its coming. He said in his last Hannibal video recently.
They underestimated the task, but intent to deliver nonetheless. He talked about it in the previous (hannibal)video.
You should know the feeling of having to delay a task that turns out to require much more work than anticipated. ;)
Ancient Empires is making good progress lately though it seems.
He showed it in the Trasimene video and said it is unfortunately delayed as they underestimated the task but it is coming.
He showed some pages from it and it looks great.
They found out that making a historically accurate graphic novel with just two guys is actually kinda hard
Wasn't Massilia a greek colony, not roman ?
usually they started off as towns side by side
Originally, yes, four hundred years earlier. In this period it was a Roman ally, although strictly speaking not a Roman colony exactly. I have added a correction in the description.
Randomly landed on this, and it was riveting. Very well told!
YES.....HES FINALLY DOING ONE OF THESE VIDEOS, THANK YOU
Was there any historical precedent for considering the Gauls to be fickle? I always thought it was the opposite. The Celts were constantly fighting and resisting the Romans perpetually.
If they didn’t fight they would just leave and if the Gauls didn’t win instantly they would retreat
I remember at least one Gaulish village that was famous for never being conquered by the Romans.
When you work third shift in the US and know this video is up before the rest of America-r
Jim Varga & Co. When the rest of the world doesnt care.
@@sugarnads lol you seem like your parents probably don't like you
I hope you do more of these breakdowns of ancient battles
Outstanding video as always. Thank you!
Yeah, but it's hard to take someone named "Skippy" all that seriously.
Gallen Dugall YA THINK YOU’RE HOT SHIT DONT YA?
Wil Fitzsimmons Ugh. That's like an infinity. But well done I guess; go get yourself a juice box
Gallen Dugall the name was Scipione L'Africano
Tim B i'm partially convinced Gallen knows that, but "Skippy" is what the automatic captions call him. ;-)
LaXfar it actually was Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus... What you mentioned seems to be what he'd be called in modern italian. -.-
I know its part of your inimitable style, but for videos of this length, maybe diagrams/whiteboard and a pause for breath might capture a few more of the uninitiated. A fascinating subject though. Carry on.
Pausing for breath is for cheats.
A 35 minute video from Lindybeige? HUZZAH!
I love this guy, even his adds are worth watching.
Where's my hannibal book varus?
It's never coming. Now we're just waiting on the TH-cam Exposé
Nut
More of these please!
I love these battle talk videos, really interesting stuff.
Hey Lindy, what do you know about the American civil war?
I'd like to see him compare the Crimean War to the American Civil War.
There's tons of topics better than the American Civil War. Imo it's already been done to death all over youtube and museums and shit.
Aditya Dayal i agree that its over done but I think lindy could still make it interesting. Especially if he went into detail about specific battles.
At times, it wasn't all that civil.
Lindybeige classic lindy
Marseille was Greek
Interesting. Nice to have a longer vid again.
Great stuff, Lloyd! Thanks again.