BMW Says The New 2019 BMW X5 Is an Off-Roader: But Is It as Dirt-Worthy as a Jeep or Land Rover?
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I've never seen you so un-enthusiastic about any vehicle. That really says a lot. Thanks.
Yes the psychology of the situation was evident. The German accent mockery was the best part of the video. I wonder if BMW gave him a cookie for being a good Roman because he sure didn't seem like he wanted to comply with their strictness.
Lmao, 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
daviesakiller 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good grief he looked so bored! You can tell he realizes this whole review is crap lol.
It is a bmw so not much to get excited about
LOL still waiting for off roading to begin. Seems like a normal dirt road us peasants take 🤣
Toyota is doing the same crap with their RAV4 TRD Off Road iteration. It's going to be comical when the lawsuits start rolling in for these deceptive marketing practices.
Lol yes! If a person owns a store at the mall called "off road" this car will get you there!
Mr Economist >>> I'm with you. That's not much of an offroad course, we call things like that "our driveway" ;-) About 20 yrs ago my father had a slightly raised Fiat 124 ???Miafori??? with a bull bumper (they used vehicles like these in that particular area) and I swear that that little 1960s Fiat could out maneuver the fancy-pants Beamer any day of the week even with it's 40hp engine. This vehicle had power nothing, and it had a manual choke. But, this vehicle was indestructible. It went places you'd worry to take your Land Rover/Cruiser/etc!
Don’t forget to add the urban and family friendly Honda Passport! Honda is pushing the idea that it’s a true off-roader. 👎🏻
Exactly, Roman didn't take the X5 off road either. He just took it off pavement.
Smoothest “offroad” road I’ve ever seen. Hats off to whoever was running the compactor 😂.
You looked like you wanted this assignment over with as soon as possible 😂.
Tell them to send you one for goldmine hill or cliffhanger 2.0
They *mostly* did Goldmine Hill. 2/3 stages attempted. And they used an X3 on the hill, not the X5. Is the X5 that much more capable? That's a good question. But I'll give the X3 some due, it performed very well for a station wagon that does crossfit.
Take it up gold mine hill
*THIS.* I was thinking that the whole time.
exactly!
Interested to see the X5 run on an independent course not one designed by the maker.
I helped push an x5 out of the parking lot at alta two weeks ago. We were in my wife's rx350 and drove out the same hill no problem. And it's basically a minivan without sliding doors. X5 lol.
MrJcjet wow
That would still be a waste of time because we know exactly what this vehicle is capable and incapable of.
@Peder Hansen An x5 off road. Lol. That's cute. You mean like a speed bump at the mall? They have the same ground clearance as an RX350. Not much. The RX has a locking center diff and torque vectoring, so it's generally better. But not a lot. They're both minivans at heart. At least the lexus is reliable. The BMW... no so much.
@Peder Hansen I think a lexus beats a BMW just by not breaking down. I think an LX570 pretty easily runs circles around any BMW that's ever been made being a land cruiser. I have an rx, 4runner, and land cruiser. Obviously the 4runner and land cruiser are in a different league. The RX and BMW being crossover cars are most similar to compare. And side by side I've personally seen better performance in the RX. I'll link a video.
I think even a corrola could do most of that
I was actually thinking that at 3:45 a regular sedan could drive through
Agreed. I think my little Honda HRV can do just as well.
@Peder Hansen Yeah, my HRV is awd
Absolutely with normal car easy done.
A Carolla could do all of that except without sensors lasting more than a blink...
by off-road they mean off the road and into the garage
Ammar Malik >>> ... or when you accidentally spill a fresh bag of kitty litter on the driveway and you're worried your car may not make it over that little mound, X5 to the rescue! ;-))
1:58 "off road closed course" literally crawls up a 10% gradient of beaten up flat dirt AAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA im dying
I would be way too scared to take a BMW off road...so I'm happy that I can watch you do it! 😋
Who in there right mind would buy and take a expensive car like this off road...really dumb.
Russians? :D Take a look on this channel th-cam.com/users/lancia999
They do real life tests and competitions ;)
BratPit….Vodka gives them courage ...
Lmao, 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
why do i feel like this is shade?
They didn’t have one with the “off-road package” there, it has a locking rear diff. Would be nice if you would mention that it is available. Thanks for the video.
Locking rear diff, undercarriage protection, optional factory off road tires... they forgot to mention all that
It’s obviously not an off roader. BMW doesn’t make those types of vehicles. Xdrive is great in the snow though and these are great commuters. I have a 2017 X3 and I love it. I would never take it beyond a dirt road though.
I think a Volkswagen Beetle could handle that off road course!
My friends and I did a lot more serious off-roading in an old Beetle than this Bimmer can do! LOL!
I was thinking the same thing when I watched the video.
I took my X5 on several trails in Moab and I was on Pirelli Scorpions there too :) I go with a buddy who has a heavily modified XJ and I went everywhere that he did.
Rick Harris I know you're telling the truth because I use my X3 regularly in dire off-road circumstances here in Africa. However, for all the other contributors (naysayers), your post is inconvenient (chuckle).
Definitely buy a land rover/range rover for off road. Though they don't have a great reliability record
Thanks guys for a nice overview! Well done with avoiding straight pointing out :D
I wonder if there is any front wheel driven car that wouldn't do this track :)
How about this air suspension? Why would you suggest against it?
Air suspension are not super durable especially in hard winters when a Ballon breaks u can expect few thousands to replace
A real test of chassis rigidity would be the tailgate. At least in my Outback, if you flex the suspension at all, it binds. You can open it, but it won't close again until you're on flat ground.
Reminds me of the Outback review Nathan and Andre did back in like 2015 where they drove through Gold Hill, and were remarking on all the Jeeps and Subarus they were seeing in town, and then Andre says "And an X5," and Nathan says "Yeah that's a tourist."
Off-roader? Ha! Gimme a break. Just a gimmick BMW is throwing out there so the mental midget will think they have an expensive trail rig.
Vince Clark its just has good as a jeep grand cherokee - its got a locking dif and air springs
Speak for yourself. I'm waiting for the X5m to take to moab
It's just a marketing gimmick like a lot of other things these days, to be fair though most vehicles are a LOT more capable offroad than people think they are. Not saying you should get an x5 if you want to offroad. but it's nice that IF you own one you can take it on some gravel roads etc for camping. and it won't let you down as long as you know its limits.
Vince Clark >>> That's a little harshly put, but essentially I can't disagree with you because you're right. It is for "casual" off-roading, which means when So Cal bottle-blonde ditzy gal Val has stayed too late and valet service has gone home, but she ... together with her purse-pooch Fifi ... nevertheless finds the Beamer parked on the grass she'll be able to overcome this overwhelming obstacle of driving on 3" high trimmed Beverly Hills grass thanks to the Beamers "advanced" off road system. And if they are to encounter a very dangerous old school water sprinkler she can raise the clearance height of the vehicle thanks to the amazing air suspension. Danke BMW! ;-)
@@tmwall25 I couldn't completely watch the video, but where does he mention a locking diff? At the beginning he literally said that it "has none of that". And BTW the Grand Cherokee has a proper transfer case in all trims exept the Laredo I think.
Contrary to 95% of the comments, I found this pretty beneficial. I’ll never be going to Moab or any intense overlanding situations, but I’m an avid rock climber where most destinations involve driving on steep, washed out service roads in the middle of nowhere.
I figured the new Honda Passport would be ideal as I’d be looking for a weekday daily/weekend soft off roader that can carry four adults with all their gear, but for the price I figure I could get a slightly older luxury SUV with some soft off road capabilities to have the whole, “cake and eat it too,” set up.
Not sure how the older X5’s fared, but this certainly got me thinking. Any other vehicle suggestions would be appreciated, currently my break down is: AWD or 4x4, no CVTs, two row, 6ft of flat storage with the seats down, modern safety, and can tow at least 5,000 lb.
Currently the list is:
- Honda Passport
- Jeep GC Trailhawk
- older BMW X5?
- some sort of Mercedes-Benz SUV?
- a well maintained Tuareg?
- pre-CVT Subaru Forester?
Any feedback would be great, I know it’s a pretty specific search. Hopefully this isn’t too toxic of a comment, haha
Mercedes GLE and X5 are the most luxurious but the best of this class should be the Landcruiser
I second the land cruiser.
I ended up finding a steal of a deal on a 2019 X5 with the Off-Road Package that I picked up.
So far I’ve taken it rock climbing eight times through all manner of washed out service roads and it’s performed flawlessly. It does everything I’ve needed it to and then some.
I would go offroading with a luxury suv like the bmw x5
I assume fiat panda 4x4 is a more capable off-road car than the X5.
Actually it is FAR more capable
Proven by James May
The Panda Cross will take anything short of a Unimog offroad
The panda is miles ahead of the bmw joke.
marco fava 😂😂 😂😂😂😂
That car is strictly for cabin roads only. My cabin road is exactly like that purpose-built test track, and my son made it easily with a -82 rwd Ford Taunus, (not Taurus). so, it kind of has off road capability of 80:s full size rwd car if American view is used.
Air suspensions just break, that is the sorry fact, but in the winter they have one good use: When the car gets hung on the snow by the belly, lowering the suspension and compacting the snow may get the car free once the suspension is raised again.
The correct way to test unibody rigidity is to open the rear hatch; the twisting effect is trying to deform the hatch opening, not necessarily door openings in wagon type cars. Any serious off roader has at least rear locker. The traction control by braking will overheat brakes in certain situations and actually turn them into mix of pottery and metal, and of course that will be expensive.I think those last H1:s had a timer for that?
Anyway, Roman was admirably polite when judging the Bimmer. But we can, and will, read between the lines...
No Low Gear, No Locking Diffs, No 4WD No Offroader.
Drove the X5 50i and it was super nice and pretty darn quick
Lol, BMW, "Look, our SUV can go through puddles and go up dirt hills! We've built an off-roading machine!" 😂 This is still a pavement queen through and through.
Nothing more telling than when a manufacturer lets you test their vehicle on a track THEY designed lol. "Don't take it in the woods... it'll get stuck. But how AWESOME is it on our custom course that we made specifically for this car."
To be fair, BMW will never say that.
Because they themselves said they don't build SUVs. They build SAVs and SACs : Sports Activity Vehicles/Coupes ;)
I’m fairly confident I could get my WRX though that course but considering the folk that buy a new BMW X5 I think this course does a good job at demonstrating that you can also drive this vehicle on other surfaces besides asphalt. Nothing wrong with this, I enjoyed the content as usual.
Mike M
Your telling me your WRX can go through the hill at 4:47 ? Without a scratch ? Just saying..
Love this guy... WHEN he says it's not the suspension you want if you are going to keep the car for ever.
What a joke my Prius can do that off road course! 😂😂😂
I have seen a Prius skirt 15 fwy southbound & take dirt road 3N45 in Hesperia, Ca. But Ive seen Rubicons lock there breaks coming up to dirt too
I appreciate the overall ruling isn't too skewed by BMW. Good automotive journalism as always. 👍👍
The main caveat I heard about air suspension, years ago, was to never leave it parked so long that the suspension might go flat.
A friend had a Lincoln Town Car that his wife let sit idle for a month or so, and the result was a costly repair. They had two, as a his and hers arrangement, and the one he drove daily never gave a moment's trouble!
The only thing i would really dig from that X5 is the front facing camera. Wish that was on my 4Runner Limited. Beyond that, my 4Runner could run rings around that X5 when it comes to offroading (even in Limited form).
Great realistic review.
Just curious.
Is BMW X-Drive like Jeep Selec-Trac in 4H Auto ?
Rear-Wheel based AWD. When the front tire starts to spin, and then
the transfer case engaged and transmitted power to the front axle.
i believe this will be not as good as the old jeep CJ7 / YJ , land rover defender , toyota fj40 or daihatsu taft , or a mini jeep called suzuki samurai/katana in the real offroad arena
Why doesn’t BMW just make a good reliable car that you can drive for a longtime that won’t hurt your pocket. That is not an off-road vehicle. Stick to just making a good road reliable vehicle first.
I agree. As a fairly happy '12 335i 6MT owner, I understand that BMW has to take advantage of the current SUV craze, but they need to stick to their lane. Which is, just build great performing vehicles, that's it. I wish they would take some of the tech & plastic out of their vehicles and concentrate a little more on reliability, but look at my screen name. I like my car and I know the pros/cons of owning a BMW, but they need to stop putting money/marketing into things that are pointless, like an off-road worthy BMW.
Planned Obsolescence I agree. Ford makes pickup trucks to last five years then they fall apart. The AC compressor on my truck has been replaced twice. The truck only has 50k on the clock. The leather is starting to rip and it’s aging really bad. I have rust already in a lot of places. This will be the last FORD product I buy.
BMW’s are just status symbols...Acura’s and Lexus’s are my go to vehicles
Well actually if u want the most reliable bmw u should get the bmw 4 series or the bmw 2 series I have heard that those are the most reliable bmws
travelingThrew I had a bmw 5 series last me over 200 k miles they are reliable you just gotta take care of them yes the are expensive to maintain but if you know how to work on them you save a tun of money in labor and if you don’t know how to then they expect someone buying a 30 to 120 thousand vehicles to be able to afford the maintenance
I'd love to know more about the suspension why you think it was a downside 09:19
I think many people just see “status symbol” and discount its ability because of it. However, if price is irrelevant, the X5 has awesome 4WD! Power is naturally rear biased for sports car feel until traction is lost there. The system can then send 100% of its torque to either axle and then it also supports torque vectoring. It’s a far more intelligent and predictive system than say a Subaru Outback.
Impressive that the monocoque is that rigid even with the panoramic glass roof
I am going through there with a Prius no problems at all , trust me 🚗✌️
But that beemer it’s a nice car inside out, top interior, good job.
Make a dirt course and dig a puddle and anything can be sold as off-road worthy.
Great review Roman! I can't see any BMW buyer taking this offroad. At least not anywhere that would really test the articulation and approach/departure angles. This feels like a bragging-rights slap-fight between an X5 owner and a Porsche Cayenne owner.
After making this video, the car requires emergency service.
ZR2 ,Raptor, Rubicon ! BMW concentrate on making the M3 great again .
That's exactly what they should be focusing on
This 'off road' course is table-smooth. What a joke. Give this car to Steve! 😃
I work for Firestone and a customer came in with that tire size all i could find was a Pirelli scorpion tire bridgestone and goodyear dont even make tires in that size i checked ATD and Tirehub those tires are about $320 a tire and last about 20K miles not too good at all!!
Would you plz advise, shall i buy brand new X5 or Defender ? I want a reliable luxurious car that can do off-roading and accommodate a family of 2 kids , i love them both and couldn’t choose at the end :(
This was slightly more difficult than a parking test.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK2) is supposedly based on the X5 platform - it was designed back in the Daimler-Chrysler days. I would like to see an on-trail comparison between the two (same model year for each).
Uh..wow...no. Daimler has no association with BMW. You are thinking of the Mercedes ML. The Jeep WK(and subsequently the WK2) was a platform in the works to replace the aging Grand Cherokee platform for the MY05 by Chrysler. Daimler/Mercedes liked the platform so much they took it to build their new ML-class while cost cutting the hell out of the WK's interior to ensure it wouldn't compete in the market for sales.
@@chrisdroste3296 Yeah, god damn, what a brain fart that was. Sorry. thanks for the correction.
Hey can y’all do this same track for a rover sport??
This is a very simple off-road course 😂
I can do this course in reverse in a 7 series.
Nonetheless, this is respectable off-road prowess for a road-focused SUV like this.
The X5 is NOT an off-roader. But I like it for the niche it was designed for: it's comfortable and capable on-road, has decent cargo capacity, is okay for light snow & ice and it's fine for non-demanding car camping. That covers all of the driving conditions the typical owner is likely to see.
It is not the best but it still gets the job done
Genuinely asking what vehicle does bmw even have that’s off-road. They just care about street performance. They have too many models to not have a proper and reliable off road suv
Whit my 09 x3 I'm good for any kind of snow I'm pretty much sure the x5 can take some
Are y9u sure?
Definitely not an off roader, but I was digging that front camera. Those should be standard equipment on any and all true off road vehicles.
I like that 4K mod
That front Grill is way too big. Trying too hard.
And please give us option for a traditional looking digital gauge
Appart from the obstacle where you lift wheels, i can do the rest in my Fwd, and i still think the esp would be able to handle that part as well, c'mon bmw trust your cars a bit more!!
That’s a dirt road with a gravel based water puddle.
Friend of mine has been driving an X5 for years and while it’s great on dry and wet streets, it sucks on everything else... his even gets stuck on flat ground in just 4-5” of snow because it’s an AWD system tuned for performance.
Its all about the tires. I had a car with summer tires that would get stuck in wet grass (damp grass actually) but was a beast on warm dry roads. Run dedicated snows on any car with AWD or 4WD and they won't get stuck until they hang up on the undercarriage.
I wouldn’t say off roader! I would call It an all season car
This was a good review and interesting to watch, but that "off-road" course is, of course, a joke.
The main part that got me was the "Chassis Rigidity". I drive and mildly off-road a 1998 Jeep Cherokee. They are notorious for unibody flex, yet even with two wheels off the ground I've never had any trouble opening any of the side doors. What do BMW really think they're proving? I honestly can't think of a single vehicle that would have failed that test.
The X5 is on my "possible next car" list.
Even my shopping trolley could get through that course
I really wish you would test the X1
The only one item I like BMWs their brake systems. Best brakes in class. But other wise expensive to buy and high maintenance cars.
I love you guys but Roman you need to work on your delivery cadence. I know it’s tough but please try eliminating the pauses mid sentence.
Maybe he's trying to do a William Shatner impression.
@@mtbrdude or Adam West
And a heritage of breaking down
Where was this test track at?
BMW calls that off-road LOL Roman you know this is not offroading, Stop shilling for BMW just because the paid you to be there.
FYI: BMW paid Roman the same amount for this video that Mercedes paid you for this comment.
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LOL
@@TFLcar lol Merc, Nope I'm a loyal Grand Cherokee owner that actually takes it off road in the great Appalachian Mts.
Chris Barr LMFAO you didn’t get it at all
@@nameunko I got it. they paid me nothing but the truth is they paid for a plane ticket and all accommodations while he was there. That is getting paid. And in return if you want manufactures to keep up giving you freebies, it's best to say nice things about the brand.
It may have the off road capability, but no real off roader will buy BMW X5 to drive off road.....
may not be the best offroad vehicle and may not carry you over a Borneo river but I think it'll do well in Houston with the occasional street flash floods
He deff wasn’t feeling happy about making this video 🤣
That course wasn't impressive. I thought BMW would have done better to prove a point...or maybe they can't?
Any plans on testing a Porsche Macan, base or S model?
I bet if you went fast through that water the engine would hydro lock. My brother in law worked at a bmw dealer for a few years and would see several hydrolocked suvs after every rain storm. I remember one day he got 8 in the same day. Granted that's not enough data to say all bmws are terrible in the wet, but it would worry me lol.
I want to get one but get smaller wheels and bigger tires. I don't want to go off roading but I want to be ready for it.
The inline 6 would actually better because of weight distribution.
I give you credit for keeping a straight face.
As soon as you see it’s the manufacturer of the vehicle being tested who has set up the ‘off road’ course, you know it’s a waste of time! Parking assist not disabled automatically in ‘off road’ modes?
The off road package has a rear diff lock and air suspension
Best roadroader is the one which doesn't have impact on your conscious, Suzuki Jimny FTW!
Towing capacity ?
But you can get the X5 with a rear locking differential
Oh guys - BMW is not selling that as Hardcore Rock Crawler. It`s not a Truck, its a normal SUV (as all LandRovers are now too) which can go Off the road. SUV means Sport Utility Vehicle and that description fits perfectly. The course shows on small rented ground which angles it can do, the chassis is stiff enough, that you can go to a decent puddle and that`s it. - When they would sell it as real 4x4 they would be nuts and we could all laugh about it, but they dont claim that. What was shown here on the little parking place course was already more than 95% of the owners would ever do. Nobody even needs that kind of ability. - Not to forget: Nobody who will go overlanding or real offroading will ever consider to buy a SUV for the Job. They go for Pickups or real Offroaders like Landcruiser, G Wagon, old Defender or a Jeep.
In germany you can order the x5 with a mechanical rear diff locker
The design brief was to be acceptable on dirt tracks but excel on roads in all conditions. So it works well in snow, rain and hail while having close to RWD car like handling in dry conditions. That's what owners want and driving up inclines is irrelevant.
I’ve driven the f15 x5 on a bmw prepared track and it works fine but to actually take it off road I don’t think so.
And our final test, the drive through at Starbucks for a mocha latte 2%.
Maybe BWM has a a point here ... not so sure my 2019 Ram North would have made it across that water section without getting it's wheels wet ...
All BMWs are off road. Since they spend most of their time off the road and in the shop.
The side steps got me weeeeeak
Now take it to the course Jeep did for the JL xD
You guys REALLY want to try a LUXURY SUV off road? Try the Porsche Cayenne 😍
I would do that course with my 2008 camry. LOL
incredible off road ability!! maybe a 1997 dodge neon with blown headgasket driven by a nun wouldn't have been able to do the course. doors opening while on jack stands is a test i heard from my grandfather lol!
the real question in my mind is...is it available with a manual transmission?
A B D's: Approach angle sucks, Breakover angle sucks, Departure angle sucks.
You would only yourself and loved ones in danger with this unibody car if you take it off road.
TFL, i know you want the car companies to provide you with "influencer" loans, but this is rediculous.
I am going to buy a X5 45e and hold on to it for a while, and off road it after about 7 years of use
Does this has the offroad package
You're not going to put a brand new $50,000 vehicle in the river unless you have good insurance
I could do this „test course“ with a 1980 VW Rabbit without getting stuck.
That off road track doesn't look tough any AWD would manage it