Always Love the weekly episode with Mike Wahle!!! I hope all the soundtards have noticed MIKE has fixed his audio and it’s sounds 💯 percent better. GO PACK GO!!!
I could listen to Andy, Mike, and Justice all day long every day ngl We blessed Packers fam I love how when they disagree they are smart enough and gracious enough to know where the other is coming from and can discuss it without feeling "shouty show" I do wish they had gotten more into what happened to Zack Tom. Weirdly bad game Just class acts all around Thanks for doing 😂these guys
The Packers are notorious for keeping and playing their high round draft picks (Walker) over other players on the roster (Wilson) that are performing better.
We need upgrades on both sides of the line, elite players, not more semi-good or passable players, we can’t draft another 1st round project or draft a guy early because he’s versatile, we need no doubt elite players.
I’m a Georgia Bulldog fan, watched Quay Walker play well there but when my Packers took him early in the draft I was shocked. He is not instinctive enough to play inside backer. Cooper is the real deal
An interesting discussion for me is 2023 and 2024 were different. I understand that in the base running game in 2024 was better but there resulted in a hole between the running game and the middle. In 2023 Aaron Jones was able to fill in that middle with his pass catching ability. In 2024 they used Reed in that space but Reed really fell off the last half of the year. Lafluer is a smart guy and a Math Major so I expect he will find the flaw. Marshawn Lloyd could have filled that space if he hadn't gotten hurt. Hopefully he will be healthy in 2025. If Lloyd and Watson had stayed healthy things likely would have been a lot better. Than there is the issue with the O-line. Need an upgrade there.
God dang it, put Tom at Center, Monk at RG, n Glover at RT! Come on! Let those road graders plow ahead! Put under-appreciated guys on your line w/chips on their shoulders n let them blunt opposing DLs!
Interestingly, Mahomes just declared that for him, a light bulb went off during his 6th yr as a starter. It was primarily an insightful appreciation of utilizing others vs putting all of the pressure on himself! 🎉
How can GB not hire Wahle to come on their team as the O-line coach, Asst Coach or team consultant? How? The ftball knowledge at his disposal is as obvious as it is impressive!
The Packers had the opportunity to draft a big time center in Creed Humphrey, the number one ranked center in that year’s draft. Instead Gutey decided to show everyone that he was the smartest guy in the room and picked Myers, the number 11 ranked center in the draft.
I know he didn’t always go about it the right way, but it’s starting to show how important Rodgers was in keeping the offence in check. Him, Bakh and Adams were big veteran voices that seem to be missing in our new, younger offense. Bad fundamentals, lazy route running etc didn’t happen as much under the last regime.
Yeah I’d have to disagree with him. Mcvay doesn’t scream bar fight but he gets it done. I think mlf can be tough on his players. I think it’s more on the players than coaches when it comes to not bringing the juice
Now that it’s the off-season, I want to ask about Zach Tom. There was talk of him being a good tackle but could be a hall of fame center. It seems like Tom’s worst games he’s being pushed back/ out muscled. Doesn’t center need a heavier “anchor” than a tackle? Can you explain what would make Tom a better center than tackle?
Typically, you want your tackles to be able to handle power better. On the interior Centers don't have to worry about a NT getting a runway on a bull rush. It's a lot of hand fighting, and sure, you need some level of anchor but at tackle you have to deal with guys like a Rahsan Gary getting a runway to put two arms into your chest. That's also why arm length is discussed for tackles it's much harder for you to handle power if you don't get hands on the defender and if your arms are too short that can become a problem. If you follow any draft coverage, that will be a huge conversation with probably the top Lineman in the draft, Will Campbell. The debate will be whether or not he can be a tackle or a Guard in the NFL
Mike touched on something that I have been saying , the mentality of this team needs to change. Too many times this season, I have seen teams push us around. We need more Dawgs on this team.
As much as most pundits have hung the moniker of 'genius' onto LaFlub's play designs, I didn't witness much genius play-calling this past season especially during all games vs MN, Lions, n Eagles (plus last game vs pathetic n here-to-fore terrible Bear's)! Ugh.
I feel like Gutey always thinks he’s smarter than everyone and reaches in the first round. Every player that I could remember other than probably Jah was a reach compared to the consensus board. Maybe we should use that first for a legit starter cuz we only draft well after the first.
Walker and stokes were significant reaches according to consensus but the rest are marginal differences. I think the home run swing tendency in the first round might be one to rethink.
Honestly bro I don’t care about the injuries, I just don’t understand how we move off Jaire when we already need more CB’s, another LB, A real WR 1, maybe another OLinemen and a pass rusher. Like I’m not cutting one of the best corners in the league for 6 million when we have all these needs still.
Andy, do you think the quick passing game (outside of screens and check downs) was under emphasized this year? It seemed to me that Love greatly improved his deep ball timing and accuracy, but moved away from the 5-15 yard range as his area of attack. I feel like he’s special in the intermediate and really good short and deep, but the offense seemed predictable this year with a lack of quick game past the line of scrimmage. Am I way off here?
Pretty interesting on the o-line toughness topic. As for the defense I think they transformed the mentality beautifully. Quay Walker, Evans, Bullard, Gary, McKinney, Cooper, Keisean, Slaton, McDuffie and Wilson, even Stokes. All hard nosed. All swarm to the ball.
I dont know why Mike likes McDuffie so much. He's been talkin him up for a few years. Packers D is CLEARLY a better product when McDuffie is off the field.
I wish Love would just take what the D offers! That 2nd INT had Kraft open underneath because (n before Baun intercepted that pass), the DB already had a step on our intended WR! At best, that DB would've more than l😮likely deflected Love's pass, anyway!
Gutes just opined Meyers had a good yr! What? I guess Gutes does not heed the basic PFF stats that indicated Myers performed bottom tier among all NFL O-linemen let alone among worst of all centers!
Putting stock in a GM press conference isn’t worth your time. He’s not gonna talk down on his players. And while I don’t think Meyers is good either, PFF isn’t a tool they care about to evaluate players
lWhen does the learning curve benefit Love? Yes...year 2 as starter but year 5 in the league. There has to some point where most of the learning should be a little behind you as a 6 year starter. Somebody mentioned PFF grades on GB receivers getting open are pretty good. Those don't include other receivers running screens to get other receivers open. GB needs guys who can consistently win one on ones. Drops is unacceptable at this point. Andy was right NO vet WR showed a consistent jump this year. On defense the last viable pass rush was with the Smithes. Truth be told they have been getting by key plays and not consistency on SOME defensive plays. As far as Nixon.. if there is a problem at him being a returner...well to be honest he is not very good at his natural position...what is he going to do? Love needs to train with a mentor and work on his footwork and placement until he can perform these in his sleep. Every year they are drafting OL ...this year be different, get a game changer. NO MORE PROJECTS!!!!
I recall how much insightful knowledge, fight n development LB Coach Kevin Green brought to GB n then...ugh!...he was fired as a scape-goat by GB front office. That was an as ugly a CYA I'd ever witnessed!
Jordan Love will have to take the next step in his career as the Green Bay Packers’ quarterback without his revered quarterback coach, Tom Clements. The next part in Jordan Love’s evolution as a quarterback is to assume a more vocal leadership role within the team. Whoever coaches Jordan Love next season will be tasked, in part, with helping him take the next step in his career as a starter. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛
Andy and Mike together. As Packer fans, it gets no better than that!
Coach Wahle
Man, I wish we could get Mike on our coaching staff!!
Mike is a great guest. We need tough guys on the offensive line and the defensive line!!!
This content is gold! Great work guys! Best weekly show by a land slide. Gopackgo
Always Love the weekly episode with Mike Wahle!!! I hope all the soundtards have noticed MIKE has fixed his audio and it’s sounds 💯 percent better. GO PACK GO!!!
Sounds as if, maybe to state the obvious, the lack of development of so many players lies with a number of the assistants.
I could listen to Andy, Mike, and Justice all day long every day ngl
We blessed Packers fam
I love how when they disagree they are smart enough and gracious enough to know where the other is coming from and can discuss it without feeling "shouty show"
I do wish they had gotten more into what happened to Zack Tom. Weirdly bad game
Just class acts all around
Thanks for doing 😂these guys
Mike Wahle is always the best guest.
The Packers are notorious for keeping and playing their high round draft picks (Walker) over other players on the roster (Wilson) that are performing better.
Wilson was pretty bad last couple of weeks when Quay was out tbh
We need upgrades on both sides of the line, elite players, not more semi-good or passable players, we can’t draft another 1st round project or draft a guy early because he’s versatile, we need no doubt elite players.
I’m a Georgia Bulldog fan, watched Quay Walker play well there but when my Packers took him early in the draft I was shocked. He is not instinctive enough to play inside backer. Cooper is the real deal
An interesting discussion for me is 2023 and 2024 were different. I understand that in the base running game in 2024 was better but there resulted in a hole between the running game and the middle. In 2023 Aaron Jones was able to fill in that middle with his pass catching ability. In 2024 they used Reed in that space but Reed really fell off the last half of the year. Lafluer is a smart guy and a Math Major so I expect he will find the flaw. Marshawn Lloyd could have filled that space if he hadn't gotten hurt. Hopefully he will be healthy in 2025. If Lloyd and Watson had stayed healthy things likely would have been a lot better. Than there is the issue with the O-line. Need an upgrade there.
It seems the more decisions Quay has to make the less effective he is. Maybe he needs to play Edge...see QB, hit QB.
I like what I see from Quay when he rushes the passer too. Problem is in this 4-3 scheme he is way too small to be a full time edge rusher
Good idea. Make him a situational rusher ala Von Miller
@@PJBHoldenVon Miller is a HOF pass rusher how about we compare him to a LB that blitzes the qb from time to time
@@connerbowlen4258 ok, how about Bryce Paup? Is he too good also ?
God dang it, put Tom at Center, Monk at RG, n Glover at RT! Come on! Let those road graders plow ahead! Put under-appreciated guys on your line w/chips on their shoulders n let them blunt opposing DLs!
Interestingly, Mahomes just declared that for him, a light bulb went off during his 6th yr as a starter. It was primarily an insightful appreciation of utilizing others vs putting all of the pressure on himself! 🎉
How can GB not hire Wahle to come on their team as the O-line coach, Asst Coach or team consultant? How? The ftball knowledge at his disposal is as obvious as it is impressive!
The Packers had the opportunity to draft a big time center in Creed Humphrey, the number one ranked center in that year’s draft. Instead Gutey decided to show everyone that he was the smartest guy in the room and picked Myers, the number 11 ranked center in the draft.
Creed had off the field issues in college. Packers were never going to draft him. And #11 center according to who? Doesn't matter unless you are GM
lol, go check the consensus big board for the draft in 2021 if you think there’s any universe where Meyers was the 11th ranked center in the draft.
Should LaFleur give up play calling? Focus on game management and clock management?
If Doubs got concussed from that minor fall on the back of his “bubble” helmet, he’s done. Retire and save your life
He just had a bad concussion, once you get one it’s way easier to get another
Goat guest
I know he didn’t always go about it the right way, but it’s starting to show how important Rodgers was in keeping the offence in check. Him, Bakh and Adams were big veteran voices that seem to be missing in our new, younger offense.
Bad fundamentals, lazy route running etc didn’t happen as much under the last regime.
Need more pass rush. Hope we get #11 from Penn State. Tom Brady thought all Packers weren't trying! TE & RB were definitely ballin'
Lmao did Mike just say that MLF isn’t a strong head coach cuz he… showers?
Yeah I’d have to disagree with him. Mcvay doesn’t scream bar fight but he gets it done. I think mlf can be tough on his players. I think it’s more on the players than coaches when it comes to not bringing the juice
Would like Mike and you to rank attributes: Instincts, loves football, athletic talent, grinder, relentless/plays to the whistle.
...Add enforcer/nasty
The words you both will not use is: KILLER INSTINCT. Not a whiff of it anywhere.
Now that it’s the off-season, I want to ask about Zach Tom. There was talk of him being a good tackle but could be a hall of fame center. It seems like Tom’s worst games he’s being pushed back/ out muscled. Doesn’t center need a heavier “anchor” than a tackle? Can you explain what would make Tom a better center than tackle?
Typically, you want your tackles to be able to handle power better. On the interior Centers don't have to worry about a NT getting a runway on a bull rush. It's a lot of hand fighting, and sure, you need some level of anchor but at tackle you have to deal with guys like a Rahsan Gary getting a runway to put two arms into your chest. That's also why arm length is discussed for tackles it's much harder for you to handle power if you don't get hands on the defender and if your arms are too short that can become a problem. If you follow any draft coverage, that will be a huge conversation with probably the top Lineman in the draft, Will Campbell. The debate will be whether or not he can be a tackle or a Guard in the NFL
I'm not convinced the desire is there for Love.
Mike touched on something that I have been saying , the mentality of this team needs to change. Too many times this season, I have seen teams push us around. We need more Dawgs on this team.
We've been saying the same since before Rodgers left the team. It's a culture problem across multiple HC's.
As much as most pundits have hung the moniker of 'genius' onto LaFlub's play designs, I didn't witness much genius play-calling this past season especially during all games vs MN, Lions, n Eagles (plus last game vs pathetic n here-to-fore terrible Bear's)! Ugh.
Well…..actually philly scored 29. Barkley had a breakaway touchdown and slid down to keep the clock running
Well, GB has some punks on the team whom act tough after whistle goes off vs bringing the lumber during play time! 🤣💯
I feel like Gutey always thinks he’s smarter than everyone and reaches in the first round. Every player that I could remember other than probably Jah was a reach compared to the consensus board. Maybe we should use that first for a legit starter cuz we only draft well after the first.
Walker and stokes were significant reaches according to consensus but the rest are marginal differences. I think the home run swing tendency in the first round might be one to rethink.
The packers must get stronger as a whole team in the weight room. Only the strong survive.
Honestly bro I don’t care about the injuries, I just don’t understand how we move off Jaire when we already need more CB’s, another LB, A real WR 1, maybe another OLinemen and a pass rusher. Like I’m not cutting one of the best corners in the league for 6 million when we have all these needs still.
Its over who cares gpg and we may lose hafley n e1 got injured so we need new offensive line and wide outs
Mike Wahle: Mariah Carey
Justus Mosqueda: Jennifer Lopez
Andy, do you think the quick passing game (outside of screens and check downs) was under emphasized this year?
It seemed to me that Love greatly improved his deep ball timing and accuracy, but moved away from the 5-15 yard range as his area of attack. I feel like he’s special in the intermediate and really good short and deep, but the offense seemed predictable this year with a lack of quick game past the line of scrimmage.
Am I way off here?
Pretty interesting on the o-line toughness topic.
As for the defense I think they transformed the mentality beautifully. Quay Walker, Evans, Bullard, Gary, McKinney, Cooper, Keisean, Slaton, McDuffie and Wilson, even Stokes. All hard nosed. All swarm to the ball.
Questions for Mike in the future. Why didn’t LaFluer do player exit interviews? Are they worthwhile?
He doesn't have to have them face to face... he said he will call each one but wanted to give them some time
DT RD1 Walter Nolan or Norman-Lott from Tennessee, unless CB Benjamin Morrison in there. Rd2 WR..
I dont know why Mike likes McDuffie so much. He's been talkin him up for a few years. Packers D is CLEARLY a better product when McDuffie is off the field.
Is LVN a mistake?
I wish Love would just take what the D offers! That 2nd INT had Kraft open underneath because (n before Baun intercepted that pass), the DB already had a step on our intended WR! At best, that DB would've more than l😮likely deflected Love's pass, anyway!
Why does everyone think Z Tom can play guard. He will get run over in the middle of the line
Gutes just opined Meyers had a good yr! What? I guess Gutes does not heed the basic PFF stats that indicated Myers performed bottom tier among all NFL O-linemen let alone among worst of all centers!
Putting stock in a GM press conference isn’t worth your time. He’s not gonna talk down on his players. And while I don’t think Meyers is good either, PFF isn’t a tool they care about to evaluate players
lWhen does the learning curve benefit Love? Yes...year 2 as starter but year 5 in the league. There has to some point where most of the learning should be a little behind you as a 6 year starter. Somebody mentioned PFF grades on GB receivers getting open are pretty good. Those don't include other receivers running screens to get other receivers open. GB needs guys who can consistently win one on ones. Drops is unacceptable at this point. Andy was right NO vet WR showed a consistent jump this year. On defense the last viable pass rush was with the Smithes. Truth be told they have been getting by key plays and not consistency on SOME defensive plays. As far as Nixon.. if there is a problem at him being a returner...well to be honest he is not very good at his natural position...what is he going to do? Love needs to train with a mentor and work on his footwork and placement until he can perform these in his sleep. Every year they are drafting OL ...this year be different, get a game changer. NO MORE PROJECTS!!!!
I recall how much insightful knowledge, fight n development LB Coach Kevin Green brought to GB n then...ugh!...he was fired as a scape-goat by GB front office. That was an as ugly a CYA I'd ever witnessed!
Don't worry about Justis, Mike. He's a hack that stole his fame from others on a football forum and passed it off as his own.
Please jets don't hire hafley
Is Mike being held hostage?
Are you there from an attitude aspect? No.
Jordan Love will have to take the next step in his career as the Green Bay Packers’ quarterback without his revered quarterback coach, Tom Clements. The next part in Jordan Love’s evolution as a quarterback is to assume a more vocal leadership role within the team. Whoever coaches Jordan Love next season will be tasked, in part, with helping him take the next step in his career as a starter. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛