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- Today I discuss another Bible story. It truly is a fascinating story that I think most people have never heard. I read Genesis 19 and then give my take on how it makes me feel and why it has led me to struggle with faith.
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Love your videos! I’m also a Pastor and here’s some thoughts:
- God does not approve of the behavior he disapproves of it. The result is offspring that go on to be nations that are a nuisance to God’s people (the Israelites) It’s actually therefore a warning of where sin can lead.
- The sexual perversion of Sodom clearly rubbed off on Lot and his daughters. There’s a minor lesson is about being careful to not let your environment mess with your heart.
- It says Lot was not aware of it not because he was asleep while it happened but because he was drunk enough to commit the act and then forget. This isn’t totally uncommon. It’s called alcohol induced black-outs. Lot was guilty of his sin in God’s eyes, I want that to be clear.
- I don’t think the daughters were young and innocent… they had the idea according to what is written. And they were most likely adult age. I still place most blame with Lot… he failed as a father miserably.
- The mother was clearly told not to look back. Her looking back wasn’t an accident or something she just did without thinking properly. It was a deliberate act and therefore choice to disobey God. She lacked a reverence and awe for God. I admit that this is the hardest part of this story, maybe only resolvable through revelation that God is good and therefore there must be good reasoning not revealed.
Overall explaining this to a child is easy. The Bible (especially Old Testament) is full of stories. The characters are broken, flawed and messed up. Lot is an example of a broken messed up person. God hated what he did - and there were consequences. The extraordinary thing is despite all these wild historical events God was working sovereignly with peoples free will to set up the hero of the book…you guessed it, Jesus. God wrote himself into the story and has now made a way for everyone to be saved. Even people today as broken as Lot can be redeemed thanks to Jesus.
After listening to your videos for a while it’s clear to me you have a lens for scripture which is… let’s say…’different’… than a Christian’s which is why you are arriving at conclusions which the author (Holy Spirit operating through people) never intended.
Anyway just my thoughts. I’m believing for you mate!
From Australia 🇦🇺
I appreciate your take on this. Certainly the most coherent of any of the justifications I have received so far. My logical mind struggles with this family of 3 escaping Zoar with enough wine to create the black out condition in Lot two nights in a row. I also can't accept his ability to rise to the occasion and complete the act with the ability to impregnate the children and not recall it. If he was in the black out condition, this would not be possible so it's difficult to have it both ways. You see things differently from me because you have faith. That faith allows you to not allow the logical thoughts of suspicion to creep in when you read something incredulous like this. You look for ways to believe where my mind goes directly to the things that are near logically impossible. I believe you are intelligent enough to see what I see. You have come up with the best answer anyone has given as of yet but it still requires you, in the end, to override your faculties and just accept it in order to maintain your faith.
@@ASMRReality Yeah no doubt. I agree my faith overrides what is logical by the world’s standard (I confess… guilty). Because I absolutely believe in God and the reliability of scripture, I have a lens which makes this story pretty easy to reconcile in my heart. I reckon it also works the other way though… some people have a lens which makes it impossible to see how super possible it actually is.
So the next question is… who has the more reliably lens?? Who is actually seeing clearly…
My Lens (The God Lens): The reason I believe in Jesus and have given my life to this is through supernatural encounters with God (crazy unexplainable things which you read about in Acts including the baptism of the Holy Spirit). I have experienced and seen it all. And I promise I’m not crazy haha.
Also, there is such strong evidence for Jesus being a real historical figure. The evidence really stacks, including that for the miracles and resurrection.
So my lens is absolutely not a product of indoctrination as a child and me having a low IQ. It’s the product of rational thinking and supernatural encounters coming together.
I think, and the scripture teachers, a spiritual encounter with God precedes understanding.
”Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?“
John 3:3, 12 ESV
By the way if you have never checked out The Bible Project on TH-cam it could help with you understanding some of the seemingly unreasonable, irrational and insensible things in the Bible.
The way you feel about the story is the intention of the story. God is forgiving but also just. Lots daughters had sex with him not believing God would provide them a man. God had just spared them and they committed horrible sin and defied God. Their tribes, Lots descendants with his daughters, were in constant conflict with the Israelites, the incest was an abomination.
Point being, God can show mercy but humans lacking faith can and often will continue to sin if they choose.
Keep in mind Lots family is not portrayed positively in the story. Should God have shown them any considerarion at all? But how great God is that he gave these terrible people a second chance and look what they did 😂
Thats been my understanding of this story. But its been a while. The old testament is mainly a history of the israelites, and this of course leading up to the birth of Christ. Its hard to read because some things lack context in isolation. Youre supposed to take it as a whole and ask "what did this lead to" instead of getting a whole moral from one individual story.
Perfect exact what I was thinking, amazing comment brother ❤
Yes!! Read the comment above!
How did this family of three escape from Zoar to a cave and manage to bring enough wine to get a grown man so drunk that he could take part in such an atrocity and not remember. One bottle won't do that. One gallon likely wouldnt do that? What man would sit and get that hammered with his daughters? How can the man continue to be the hero of the story? Is this misogyny? Was this story written so ancient people could justify what they are doing to their own daughters? How many men throughout history showed this scripture to their daughters before committing the same act?
@@ASMRReality not really sure what the minor details have to do with the story as a whole. Lot is not a "hero" of the story, this is simply telling you the origin of the moabites and ammonites, who will go on to be in conflict with the israelites. That's why it's a short few passages in genesis and not a whole book in and of itself.
What do the Jews who passed this story down say about the origin of the moabites and ammonites? They say that they originated from a place so evil God had his angels destroy it and in an act of mercy, spared the father of the original tribe leaders and his daughters, they had children from incest and that is the explanation in the old testament on why they aren't good people.
😂 take with that what you will but like I said they are not painted in a good light and they aren't "heroes". Lot was shown mercy by God and that was all. He and his daughters having children from incest is not good and the law is clear that this is an abomination.
All that you need to know is it's bad and the bible isn't telling you it's good.
Love your videos! I’m also a Pastor and here’s some thoughts:
- God does not approve of the behavior he disapproves of it. The result is offspring that go on to be nations that are a nuisance to God’s people (the Israelites) It’s actually therefore a warning of where sin can lead.
- The sexual perversion of Sodom clearly rubbed off on Lot and his daughters. There’s a minor lesson is about being careful to not let your environment mess with your heart.
- It says Lot was not aware of it not because he was asleep while it happened but because he was drunk enough to commit the act and then forget. This isn’t totally uncommon. It’s called alcohol induced black-outs. Lot was guilty of his sin in God’s eyes, I want that to be clear.
- I don’t think the daughters were young and innocent… they had the idea according to what is written. And they were most likely adult age. I still place most blame with Lot… he failed as a father miserably.
- The mother was clearly told not to look back. Her looking back wasn’t an accident or something she just did without thinking properly. It was a deliberate act and therefore choice to disobey God. She lacked a reverence and awe for God. I admit that this is the hardest part of this story, maybe only resolvable through revelation that God is good and therefore there must be good reasoning not revealed.
Overall explaining this to a child is easy. The Bible (especially Old Testament) is full of stories. The characters are broken, flawed and messed up. Lot is an example of a broken messed up person. God hated what he did - and there were consequences. The extraordinary thing is despite all these wild historical events God was working sovereignly with peoples free will to set up the hero of the book…you guessed it, Jesus. God wrote himself into the story and has now made a way for everyone to be saved. Even people today as broken as Lot can be redeemed thanks to Jesus.
After listening to your videos for a while it’s clear to me you have a lens for scripture which is… let’s say…’different’… than a Christian’s which is why you are arriving at conclusions which the author (Holy Spirit operating through people) never intended.
Anyway just my thoughts. I’m believing for you mate!
From Australia 🇦🇺
Also, Lot’s wife didn’t die for just “turning her neck”. The meaning of Lot’s wife looking back was the fact that in her heart, she still wanted what was left in the city, meaning she wanted to still be there. It wasn’t just her looking back to see what was happening. God read her heart and knew that she truly wanted to be there. But they were told to not want anything from that wicked city, and yet she did.
So if god knew lots wife intentions shouldn’t he know lots daughters knowing he got rid of all the men?
@@renetrujillo2179i’ve already explained what happened with the daughters in a previous comment. also, God isn’t going to always intervene in situations, even if he can see the future and read hearts. sometimes, He allows things to play out for his own reasoning. And while he highly disapproves of incest, there was a reason He allowed it to happen. anyways, as i said, i explained it under Leao_M’s comment
Well she did get killed for turning around, the scripture is crystal clear. The reason for her turning around is open to interpretation which you are obviously just stating your opinion. This is the danger of religion. It takes a reasonable and intelligent human being and makes him justify atrocities in order to keep hold of his own beliefs. In the end, I think we can both agree, had the wife not been killed for looking back at what she left behind, she could have kept her daughters from becoming pregnant from their dad. It disgusts me so much that it literally almost makes me sick and that is why it shocks me that someone with any intelligence at all can look at this and say....sure no problem God is great!
@@ASMRReality well if you don’t want to take time to look into the deeper meanings of the scriptures then i won’t help you 🤷🏽♀️ that’s not an opinion. it’s a fact. you ask people to help you understand, but if you don’t take the time to listen to understand, then you’re just complaining, so don’t ask anymore. If you really take things for the exact statements instead of researching, then what is the point? actually take the time to look into the meanings of scriptures instead of just reading the words bc that’s not what’s going to provide you true information in the long run. you really think to take every scripture literally? try reading poetry. you really think the author of a poem didn’t have a deeper meaning behind their literal written words? it’s ignorant to ask for understanding, then receive understanding, but then ignore it just bc you wanna be right.
@@ASMRReality and no, i do not agree. the daughters had relations with their intoxicated father bc they no longer had anyone else in their family line and they wanted to continue the lineage. If lots wife was alive, lot and her could have had more children to try for a son. the daughters wouldnt have done that if the mom hadn’t died bc they would have a chance for a son. anyway, i explained this into further detail in my longer comment.
Also i love the puppy snores in the background 🥰
She is so precious! Glad she doesn't bother you:)
My true theory is that everyone will arrive to one heaven that none of us on earth can comprehend, no matter how evil you are or how many Sunday’s you went to church. Maybe the people who get mad that others get sent to heaven will get sent to hell. Who knows. Be your best self and spread positive while we have the pleasure of being on earth all together
That's a great theory....it definitely isn't Christianity. You should name the religion, you could get tax benefits and its a better story than what Christians tell so you could likely get a lot of followers.
I’ve never heard a view like this. Seems kind of confusing to me. You say no matter how evil you are you will arrive to one heaven. Would god really place murderers and their victims in one place? Why wouldn’t evil sins be punished? Like… Hitler and Mother Theresa and Pol Pot and Bob Ross are chillin in the same place? I don’t understand how you got to this idea.
amazing content as usual reality thank you for staying consistent 🙏
I don’t understand how anyone can be religious after these stories it’s crazy to me not just in the bible in the Quran like religious people like to pick and chose the good things but fail to acknowledge the evil things someone who is all knowing and all good wouldn’t let these things happen simple that’s why I don’t believe in these versions of god these are simply acts of a devil but there loving god allows it??? I think the book was written to control simple no way these things happened btw love these vids appreciate you covering the evil as-well instead of just the good.
The answer to this question must be determined in the light of the background of this incident and in relation to other scriptures.
Lot and his two daughters were the only persons to survive the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. After this destruction they began residing in the city of Zoar. However, for some reason Lot was afraid to continue dwelling there and, with his daughters, took up residence in a cave. (Gen. 19:30) Thereafter the firstborn said to her younger sister: “Our father is old and there is not a man in the land to have relations with us according to the way of the whole earth. Come, let us give our father wine to drink and let us lie down with him and preserve offspring from our father.”-Gen. 19:31, 32.
The fact that they sought to get their father intoxicated suggests that they realized he would never have consented to having sexual relations with them in a sober state. But under the circumstances, they felt that this was the only way to prevent the extinction of Lot’s family. They were aliens in the land and there was no one of their kindred with whom they could enter into marriage and thus preserve the family line. It should also be remembered that Lot’s daughters had resided among the morally debased inhabitants of Sodom. In view of these factors, it would not have been difficult for them to justify their course of action in their own minds. Why, then, does the account appear in the Scriptures?
The narrative is not presented in the Bible to stimulate erotic thoughts. It is there for a purpose, revealing the relationship of the Moabites and Ammonites to the descendants of Abraham who became known as Israelites. Lot being a nephew of Abraham, the Israelites were related to the Moabites and Ammonites, who descended from the two sons that Lot produced by means of his daughters. (Gen. 11:27) Later this fleshly relationship came to govern Israel’s actions in dealing with the Moabites and Ammonites. For example, in their taking over the land east of the Jordan River, the Israelites, under divine orders, were careful not to trespass on the landholdings of the Ammonites and Moabites.-Deut. 2:9, 18, 19, 37.
Is any sincere reader of the Bible left in doubt as to the conclusion that is to be drawn from this account concerning Lot and his daughters? Is he made to feel that such conduct is, perhaps, approved by God?
It is true that in Genesis chapter 19 the historical facts are conveyed without any comment respecting God’s approval or disapproval of Lot’s twice committing incest in an intoxicated state. But in later portions of the Bible record, God’s condemnation of drunkenness is clearly stated again and again. (Prov. 20:1; 23:20, 21, 29-35; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10) Likewise, in his Law to Israel, God later made clear his prohibition of incest, saying: “You people must not come near, any man of you, to any close fleshly relative of his to lay bare nakedness. . . . The nakedness of your father and the nakedness of your mother you must not lay bare.” (Lev. 18:6, 7) The penalty for violating the law on incest was death. (Lev. 18:29) While Lot and his daughters were not under the Law, they were, nevertheless, aware of the impropriety of having relations with their own father, as shown by the fact that they first got him intoxicated.
Why, then, is Lot called a “righteous man,” at 2 Peter 2:8? Not because God approved of his getting drunk, nor because God approved of incest. God did not approve such conduct. But it should be noted that there is nothing in the record to indicate that Lot was a habitual drunkard, nor was he habitually involved in acts of incest. His reputation was that of a “righteous man,” and this reputation he had with God, who examines the heart. Lot deplored the “lawless deeds” of the people of Sodom. And, evidently, for the Examiner of hearts to view him as righteous, Lot must also have grieved over the wrong conduct in which he himself got involved.
The inclusion of the information about Lot and his daughters in the Scriptural record should really help us to appreciate that the Bible is a book of truth. Even when persons who were known as God’s servants became involved in improper acts, the Bible does not conceal this. However, at all times such things are recounted, not to entertain or to stimulate a desire to indulge in immoral conduct, but to provide a background for understanding other events.
Bro wrote a whol essay
God didn't allow any evil or good act to happen.. a human with free will did. We all have choices every day do we not? And yes i agree the main purpose of religion is to control but religion is man made. but you can look at the universe, life, an atom, laws, physics and deny intelligent design in the fine intricacies
@@scottrenton1114 but if the god is all knowing he knew this would happen and allowed it everyone says free will but if I knew something like this would happen I wouldn’t allow it u know
How did this family of three escape from Zoar to a cave and manage to bring enough wine to get a grown man so drunk that he could take part in such an atrocity and not remember. One bottle won't do that. One gallon likely wouldnt do that? What man would sit and get that hammered with his daughters? How can the man continue to be the hero of the story? Is this misogyny? Was this story written so ancient people could justify what they are doing to their own daughters? How many men throughout history showed this scripture to their daughters before committing the same act?
I think one thing to note here is that it really shouldn't need to be said that daughters drunkenly r*ping their father is sexually immoral; that's just as obvious to us as it was to the original hearers of the passage.
The children of the daughters do go on to found nations, but these are the Moabites and Ammonites, nations who were enemies of Israel and condemned for idolatry, child sacrifice and the like. This isn't a reward for those children, it's rather saying "look what an evil event our enemy nations came from; look what evil can be brought into the world by acts like this".
The relevance of mentioning the sexual immorality is that this was the very reason that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed and the one human man worthy of being saved, escapes the destruction and proceeds to carry on the tradition. It's literally insulting to read. My belief is the authors put this story in there as a way of justifying to their own daughters why they were doing the same thing to them. It is scriptural proof to a child that there are times that God is ok with father daughter relations.
@ASMRReality It's a similar sort of thing with the Flood, I suppose. The Nephilim are wiped out, but then giants reappear in Canaan later on. Sin is always present in some capacity, and can't be eradicated by "smiting" alone because even those who are comparatively righteous are still imperfect fallen people. That's why we need Christ.
One way would be for Christians to enlighten their hermeneutics/interpretive perspective by realizing just how many of the biblical texts have an allegorical meaning and therefore were not originally written to be read literally.
The characters in Lot's story, for example, could be types or figures representing human characteristics rather then to be taken as literal/historical people. Same with Jonah swallowed by "the great fish", which may not be about a reluctant historical prophet, but about an attitude of stubborn willfulness that is at odds with the divine will. Or Job, who was not a historical person, but an exemplar of enduring patience under a deity's curse. Etc.
When a symbolic interpretation is utilized, many problems formerly created by literalism disappear. One no longer needs to defend a god who does immoral, crazy things, and/or heroes who do similar things, *if* one takes a certain biblical text or claimed incident as metaphor rather than history. The question then becomes: What s the maximum number of texts that were written to take symbolically - as opposed to those whose essentials demand a literal reading...?
Some of these tales will always be morally and logically offensive. For these, Christians must either live with the craziness, turning a blind eye to it - or challenge it, thereby acknowledging that the Bible is *not* inerrant - an impossible step for die-hard fundamentalists.
Exactly. I think the book is metaphorical if u really dissect it it’s metaphors and parables of human anatomy and astrology the bible has a lot of sacred knowledge but it was written in a way that people take it literally this was done on purpose.
@@Leao_M Yes, as some scholars posit, there are texts which are written literally/factually - but only on the surface. The literal reading would have been for the general public and the esoteric reading would have been for the more educated...so the theory goes.
It’s like you could read my mind. I struggle with the same questions all the time. I know there has to be a God, but I over think and question too much (is that people tell me). So many Bible prophesies have come true I think there is some truth to the Bible…but I think in writing it, man made mistakes??? I just don’t know. If you find the answer, please share. 💕
Oops…. The above post was for Derek
@@allisonmastin1940 Okay...
:)
The reason why I can be okay with these stories as a Christian is because the Bible is not about me it’s mirror showing how me as a human I am a bad person basically humans are bad but there was 1 who proved he was the only perfect one.☝🏽✝️
I respect you ability to hang on no matter what. There is just a level at which I just cannot accept true travesties of justice and am willing to take the risk that comes with the possibility if this stuff is really real.
As a Christian I think it’s best to address these seemingly difficult passages in the Bible instead of ignoring them. My church does cover these things however I’m sure many don’t. That’s why TH-cam is a blessing because you can search anything that you’re struggling with and find answers
I’ve searched…. But still can’t find the answers
The answer to this question must be determined in the light of the background of this incident and in relation to other scriptures.
Lot and his two daughters were the only persons to survive the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. After this destruction they began residing in the city of Zoar. However, for some reason Lot was afraid to continue dwelling there and, with his daughters, took up residence in a cave. (Gen. 19:30) Thereafter the firstborn said to her younger sister: “Our father is old and there is not a man in the land to have relations with us according to the way of the whole earth. Come, let us give our father wine to drink and let us lie down with him and preserve offspring from our father.”-Gen. 19:31, 32.
The fact that they sought to get their father intoxicated suggests that they realized he would never have consented to having sexual relations with them in a sober state. But under the circumstances, they felt that this was the only way to prevent the extinction of Lot’s family. They were aliens in the land and there was no one of their kindred with whom they could enter into marriage and thus preserve the family line. It should also be remembered that Lot’s daughters had resided among the morally debased inhabitants of Sodom. In view of these factors, it would not have been difficult for them to justify their course of action in their own minds. Why, then, does the account appear in the Scriptures?
The narrative is not presented in the Bible to stimulate erotic thoughts. It is there for a purpose, revealing the relationship of the Moabites and Ammonites to the descendants of Abraham who became known as Israelites. Lot being a nephew of Abraham, the Israelites were related to the Moabites and Ammonites, who descended from the two sons that Lot produced by means of his daughters. (Gen. 11:27) Later this fleshly relationship came to govern Israel’s actions in dealing with the Moabites and Ammonites. For example, in their taking over the land east of the Jordan River, the Israelites, under divine orders, were careful not to trespass on the landholdings of the Ammonites and Moabites.-Deut. 2:9, 18, 19, 37.
Is any sincere reader of the Bible left in doubt as to the conclusion that is to be drawn from this account concerning Lot and his daughters? Is he made to feel that such conduct is, perhaps, approved by God?
It is true that in Genesis chapter 19 the historical facts are conveyed without any comment respecting God’s approval or disapproval of Lot’s twice committing incest in an intoxicated state. But in later portions of the Bible record, God’s condemnation of drunkenness is clearly stated again and again. (Prov. 20:1; 23:20, 21, 29-35; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10) Likewise, in his Law to Israel, God later made clear his prohibition of incest, saying: “You people must not come near, any man of you, to any close fleshly relative of his to lay bare nakedness. . . . The nakedness of your father and the nakedness of your mother you must not lay bare.” (Lev. 18:6, 7) The penalty for violating the law on incest was death. (Lev. 18:29) While Lot and his daughters were not under the Law, they were, nevertheless, aware of the impropriety of having relations with their own father, as shown by the fact that they first got him intoxicated.
Why, then, is Lot called a “righteous man,” at 2 Peter 2:8? Not because God approved of his getting drunk, nor because God approved of incest. God did not approve such conduct. But it should be noted that there is nothing in the record to indicate that Lot was a habitual drunkard, nor was he habitually involved in acts of incest. His reputation was that of a “righteous man,” and this reputation he had with God, who examines the heart. Lot deplored the “lawless deeds” of the people of Sodom. And, evidently, for the Examiner of hearts to view him as righteous, Lot must also have grieved over the wrong conduct in which he himself got involved.
The inclusion of the information about Lot and his daughters in the Scriptural record should really help us to appreciate that the Bible is a book of truth. Even when persons who were known as God’s servants became involved in improper acts, the Bible does not conceal this. However, at all times such things are recounted, not to entertain or to stimulate a desire to indulge in immoral conduct, but to provide a background for understanding other events.
Lot and his two daughters were the only persons to survive the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. After this destruction they began residing in the city of Zoar. However, for some reason Lot was afraid to continue dwelling there and, with his daughters, took up residence in a cave. (Gen. 19:30) Thereafter the firstborn said to her younger sister: “Our father is old and there is not a man in the land to have relations with us according to the way of the whole earth. Come, let us give our father wine to drink and let us lie down with him and preserve offspring from our father.”-Gen. 19:31, 32.
The fact that they sought to get their father intoxicated suggests that they realized he would never have consented to having sexual relations with them in a sober state. But under the circumstances, they felt that this was the only way to prevent the extinction of Lot’s family. They were aliens in the land and there was no one of their kindred with whom they could enter into marriage and thus preserve the family line. It should also be remembered that Lot’s daughters had resided among the morally debased inhabitants of Sodom. In view of these factors, it would not have been difficult for them to justify their course of action in their own minds. Why, then, does the account appear in the Scriptures?
The narrative is not presented in the Bible to stimulate erotic thoughts. It is there for a purpose, revealing the relationship of the Moabites and Ammonites to the descendants of Abraham who became known as Israelites. Lot being a nephew of Abraham, the Israelites were related to the Moabites and Ammonites, who descended from the two sons that Lot produced by means of his daughters. (Gen. 11:27) Later this fleshly relationship came to govern Israel’s actions in dealing with the Moabites and Ammonites. For example, in their taking over the land east of the Jordan River, the Israelites, under divine orders, were careful not to trespass on the landholdings of the Ammonites and Moabites.-Deut. 2:9, 18, 19, 37.
Is any sincere reader of the Bible left in doubt as to the conclusion that is to be drawn from this account concerning Lot and his daughters? Is he made to feel that such conduct is, perhaps, approved by God?
It is true that in Genesis chapter 19 the historical facts are conveyed without any comment respecting God’s approval or disapproval of Lot’s twice committing incest in an intoxicated state. But in later portions of the Bible record, God’s condemnation of drunkenness is clearly stated again and again. (Prov. 20:1; 23:20, 21, 29-35; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10) Likewise, in his Law to Israel, God later made clear his prohibition of incest, saying: “You people must not come near, any man of you, to any close fleshly relative of his to lay bare nakedness. . . . The nakedness of your father and the nakedness of your mother you must not lay bare.” (Lev. 18:6, 7) The penalty for violating the law on incest was death. (Lev. 18:29) While Lot and his daughters were not under the Law, they were, nevertheless, aware of the impropriety of having relations with their own father, as shown by the fact that they first got him intoxicated.
Why, then, is Lot called a “righteous man,” at 2 Peter 2:8? Not because God approved of his getting drunk, nor because God approved of incest. God did not approve such conduct. But it should be noted that there is nothing in the record to indicate that Lot was a habitual drunkard, nor was he habitually involved in acts of incest. His reputation was that of a “righteous man,” and this reputation he had with God, who examines the heart. Lot deplored the “lawless deeds” of the people of Sodom. And, evidently, for the Examiner of hearts to view him as righteous, Lot must also have grieved over the wrong conduct in which he himself got involved.
The inclusion of the information about Lot and his daughters in the Scriptural record should really help us to appreciate that the Bible is a book of truth. Even when persons who were known as God’s servants became involved in improper acts, the Bible does not conceal this. However, at all times such things are recounted, not to entertain or to stimulate a desire to indulge in immoral conduct, but to provide a background for understanding other events.
@@allisonmastin1940i left the answer under Leao_M’s comment, it won’t let me paste it here, but hopefully that will answer for you.
While I appreciate the in depth reasoning here, unfortunately there are two glaring problems still. First, It requires that this family of 3 escaped the city of Zoar with enough wine to get Lot drunk enough two nights in a row that he can black out, arise for performance, climax and wake up not remembering what he did and this happened without divine intervention. Second, you say the inclusion of this story should help us appreciate the truth. Your reasoning here seems to be saying, there is no other logical reason to include such a horrible story if not just to help reveal just how transparent the Creator is to us. What about the theory that this story is in here as a way for Christians throughout ancient history to use this scripture as a means of justification for what they are doing to their own daughters. They see that God condones such an act to the point that he makes the offspring of such an act kings of nations. And what about your reasoning behind why the scripture says Lot is righteous? Well...for this reason....It allows men to say to their own daughters....."Look here my little daughter it even says right here in the scripture that Lot was a righteous man so you know God loved him and God allowed him to do it...this is allowed but you just can't tell no one....now take it off. "
A god that works in mysterious ways bears a suspicious resemblance to shit just happening...
pretty much
I see it the same way as you describe it, and am always frustrated when people answer with things like "God works in mysterious ways". Why are these kind of stories (that any sane person would deem amoral) in the religion's most sacred texts, without any sort of explanation at least?
This one is in there as scriptural proof that God, at times, condones father/daughter relations. You can only imagine the men throughout history that laid their daughters down and read them this story and then did the same thing to them.
Reality, a good video maybe in the future for you to do would be to talk about some of the arguments Jordan Maxwell and Christopher Hitchens have brought up about Christianity. Their arguments have been some of the best ones against religions, Christianity, and the failure of modern faith practices.
I love Christopher Hitchens. Jordan Maxwell is a little too far out there.
I agree this topic seems to frustrate you. Does it impact any other areas of your life? Just curious if there's other avenues you could go down.
I read a book called the urantia book. It talked about the Bible and evolution and all kinds of things together. I'm not necessarily suggesting it but just saying there are other things out there.
I'm not sure what to believe. I find slot of it interesting.
Love your videos. You always ask us to think (late night. Better words escape me) and i like that ❤
I don't think this affects me in other areas of life except maybe in my relationship with my father. Because I am "fallen" he and I are different and I am certain our relationship would be better if I worshipped his Creator. You are the second person to mention Urantia to me. I did look it up and it seems quite interesting. Maybe I will start believing in a Creator when he answers my prayer for ASMRWISHES to finally reveal the face behind that smoky, sexy voice!
I wanna tell you something but didn't wanna write it out for everyone to see... Unless you don't care.
@@asmrwishes You can always email me at asmrreality@yahoo.com but I'm an open book so I don't care what anyone sees:)
It’s definitely possible for a man to “get ready” when he’s unconscious. Nocturnal emissions….hello. Just saying, it is possible because I know a lot of people like to say it can’t happen/is impossible
Ready...YES....get to completion without knowing about it...Not likely.
i love your videos so much, i wish you had a Twitter/X account to interact more, i really want to see another bitcoin video given what has happen lately with the ATH
I may some day. Steadily I have added things to this channel and once I hit 10k subscribers, I plan to take another step towards expanding.
@@ASMRReality awesome, I randomly got one of your newer Bitcoin ASMR videos recommended to me and I sort of watched it as a joke and ending up loving it! I have never heard of anything finance related to ASMR lol
You are exactly right! It was just what had to be done THEN. You live in the NOW. Jesus came to free us from the old law, things are different now.
It is much more dangerous for you to spread lies about your religion than it is for me. If a Christian reads that, they could be led to believe that there is an "old law" that doesn't exist anymore. The laws still exist. Jesus just came so you don't have to die for them. That is the only difference and saying anything other than that is considered blasphemy in your religion. You are putting your eternity at risk. I suggest you look a bit deeper and I am certain you will come to the understanding that the old laws still apply. This is a quote from Jesus...not from me.....
Mark 7: 8-13
8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.' 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)- 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
@@ASMRRealityno, he came to free people from the old law and open the gates of heaven for people to be saved. Reading a few verses in a story will not get you to the finish line. This is why there are so many “denominations”, the Bible is not for you to interpret. The men who wrote it were inspired by God and also wrote letters to help people understand Gods words.
Did you even read that verse in Mark which is a quote from Jesus. It is in the New Testament and it is written in red which are his actual words....It says "YOU HAVE LET GO OF THE COMMANDS OF GOD AND ARE HOLDING ON TO HUMAN TRADITIONS." This is exactly what you are doing. You are saying the old commands are no longer relevant. This is exactly what Jesus said not to do. Bro, your the one that beleives it, not me but I can assure you based on what you are saying, you are going the same place I am when you die.
I didn't have an answer to your question. But now I have a new question. I wonder how many stories show parents willing to sacrifice their children 🤔🧐 Lot, God, Abraham etc
According to the Oriental code, it was a host’s responsibility to protect the guests in his home, defending them even to the point of death if necessary. Lot was prepared to do that. He bravely went out to the mob, closed the door behind him, and faced them alone. By the time he offered his daughters, Lot likely realized that his guests were messengers from God, and he may have reasoned that God could protect his daughters as He had protected his aunt Sarah in Egypt. (Genesis 12:17-20) Indeed, as the matter turned out, Lot and his daughters were kept safe.
Well safe until they got naked together
@asmrwishes Lots of them were sacrificed, sadly.
@@ASMRReality ur a strange man
whisper dady
If there was a god he probably just made the universe then fucked off to make some cooler new shit
Pretty much!
No on ever gets pushed away from Christianity by Jesus, its always by the Jewish parts of the Bible.
The Old Testament?
I don't know...Jesus pretty much tells people to kill their kids in the new testament.
hmm, what are you referring to?@@ASMRReality
@@FK-we1dp Mark 7:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[b]
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)- 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
Dude he's literally quoting the old testament here while BTFOing the Rabbis and jewish leaders, pointing out they're hypocrisy. Note the "Moses said..."
IDK, my relationship with Christianity is complicated but I still trust the personal experiences I have had, and they're all regarding Christ, despite the jewish texts.
@@ASMRReality