@@tharifdzulfiqar789 i want a mid range one tho like sub 400, also yea its easy to find good used njs frames, but impossible to find good njs frames in my size
@@jmax850 if you a a grand to spend on frame buy what suits your riding or aesthetic most. You can go upper mid NJS a crazy nice aluminum track bike or a boutique bike with options like extra tire clearance or a more compliant geometry.
I love seeing how zachs matured. He used to be all twitchy and big eyed a few years ago. Seemed anxious on camera. Now he seems suave, confident, and relaxed.
Most people really don’t understand why Zach hates on Cinelli. They literally try to sell you overpriced bikes that you can get somewhere else cheaper and properly priced for what you are getting. It’s literally the supreme crowbar of bikes, when you can just go to your local hardware store and get a perfectly priced crowbar. And no I’m not cheap lmfao, I just like paying for honest quality.
@@nasagasaan I only like cinelli cause I don't pay full price lol my first frame was the Blue and white vigorelli for 200 bucks. I can't stand Dosnoventa with their overpriced stuff.
Great Video! The only thing that I think you looked over is that the Tutto is the only fixed gear frame I know that gives you the option to run a belt instead of a chain since you can open up the frame. As someone who dailys a bealt since this year instead of a chain I can say that for me it's a game changer. No lubing a chain, no oil stains on your legs or pants and best of all: It's so silent! I wished more manufaturers would offer a belt compatible frameset so more people could experience this beautiful, oil-free silence.
Here in Europe the cheapest and best way to build/buy a fixed gear but also for any track/road bike is to find a vintage frame. The first fixie I ever built was made with a bianchi supercorsa road frame from the 70s i found on the Facebook marketplace from a seller near me for 150 euros. And a set of dodicicicli wheels with sturmey archer hubs I bought on eBay for about 80 euros. It was nothing to write home about and the road frame was low so I sometimes touched with the pedals on the ground when cornering. But the geometry and quality of the frame made it incredibile to ride around, especially considering I spent less than 400 euros on the whole thing. Including a nice smp saddle and a used miche primato crankset. There’s a ton of bikes you showed in this video that I love but I think there’s a lot of cheaper ways to get into fixies without going to your local wall mart
Hey Wabi! If the classic was available in Europe I would buy it in a heartbeat since I'm looking to replace my Fuji Feather with an upgrade. All thanks to this channel so keep sponsoring him and hurry up and make the classic available over here.
I have the State Undefeated II in black prism. Absolutely killer bike. I'm 6'2" and the 58cm with the longer top tube is perfect fit. Extremely fast and very comfortable. I ride Cervelo R5 and Yeti SB115 for road and trail, and this Undefeated powers through turns like nothing else. the geo is dimed for speed. I've I ride hard and thrash pretty good, and the wheelset and crankset can handle everything I've thrown at it. I have a Wabi classic and AC nature boy and the state just is so comfortable and just straight up flies compared to the other two(which are stellar bikes on their own). The economy of the faster bike goes a long way. I think a C rating is harsh, review and and rate bikes you've ridden. Can't take a list seriously when you're basing it on looking at pics and a spec sheet.
For Zach's European viewers who don't know, Dolan also make a similarly priced but more city friendly bike in terms of geometry called the FXE. Very similar components and the same upgrade options, just made for the every day rather than the Velodrome.
Here in Europe we have tons of old, real steel track bikes on Ebay. And the BLB Classic goes for about 600 Euros here. Edit: The BLB Viper Frameset sometimes goes for under 350 Euros here.
"Everyday" people actually bike in Europe. You all are closer to Japan as well. Kinda surprised how Zach is slamming Europe lol. Wish I was over there tbh.
I have the Poliandbike Williamsburg. For anyone interested, they DO come with archetypes. Great bike, I will change the crankset down the line, I’m happy with it but it could be a little better. I’d put it in mid-B tier, definitely not C.
8Bar has been pretty successful on the fixed crit scene opposed to track. I've bought a couple Poloandbike Williamsburgs and they were both great for the money and specs. I got them for $600 complete. For that it's a value and good looking bike but any more than that probably not worth it.
Love my All-City Nature Boy! Converted it to flat bars, and added some fenders. Everything I need it to be. If I were going to get another bike, I'd probably get the Thunderdome frameset and build it up how I want it.
Hey Zach, not sure if your US prices include all the taxes? The european and UK brands will include their ~20% VAT. Might explain some of the price differences.
Consider the Gunnar Roadie, by Waterford, made with True Temper and Reynolds. Stainless steel dropouts, responsive frame. Costs around $1000 for the frame with custom paint.
All City also sold Big Block forks in a 1" threadless version (I think they discontinued). I have a build with one of those on a Keirin frame, its an NJS travesty but a damn fine bike
I'm a crit guy and cant agree more. The fact he just brushes it off as a C teir makes this whole list questionable for me. I have the stock build with a thomson cockpit and Volt saddle. My Undefeated II ride quality and experience is on par with my bikes 5x the price. Its so good.
State undefeated is the best bike for midrange price... Previous years undefeated has more spokes for essor and Sram Ominium, it's a very fast bike, with the fork rake
Update: I went all silver components. I love my all-city so much i also recently purchased a Big Block. I only own two bikes. Thunderdome & Big Block. They cover every base I need
I know this is an old video, but I wanted to correct your saying the Reynolds 725 is air hardened. From Reynolds' own description, the 853 is air hardened, which makes it a step up from the 725, which is heat treated.
Hey Zach, have you ever asked your sponsor if they can give us a discount on their bikes from your channel? We've noticed the price change on the spacial.
Why should wabi cut into their own money after they spent their money on everything it took to get them where they are today? If you can’t afford something, save up or lower your budget.
@@Straydog_6 Nice! From to very experienced messengers they say ‘ just givver buddy. ‘ Haha I myself was looking for a new Velodrome specific frame set and Dolan DF4 was a coin toss loss from being my #1 pick. Well it was a 3 out of 5 coin toss game because I did want it but went with the PINARELLO X TRACK instead. I just yesterday put my deposit on it too. Why the PINARELLO? Well......it is a PINARELLO after all. Lol I may just regret my choice, but I doubt it. Having said that, my current work bike, a Surly Steamroller will be replaced before the year is out. It will be replaced with a Dolan Pre Cursa. I’m stoked to get it myself. Light, quick and responsive, carbon fork, what’s not to like? Rhetorical question! Lol There are many many velodromes that use them as their rentals. That means 1000’s of km’s on them with different weighted bodies and riding styles too. You just cannot go wrong. Plus a real track pedigree to boot to buddy. Ahh shit, I may just order one now. Lol
Still wondering why a Fyxation Eastside Fixed Gear Bike 2022 Had never Ben reviewed and since not why! ? I would love too know in which tier you would place that bike in with these others. And always. Your the best when it comes too these bike videos 👏🏾✌🏾👌🏾
Mid-range bikes: "Here's one for $1,000. Here's one for $1,600." Casual cyclist me who's first bikes growing up were the 4th best bikes Kmart had to offer: eyes glazing over.
1. Europe has more competent bike builders than USA. Asia has amazing bike brands too. FYI, Wabi copied their frame geometry from Belgian and Italian bikes, they just added the bad paint job. 2. Cinelli > Wabi, but you and me are judging by different criteria. I like solid frames, experienced builders, smart geometry that fits my needs, and I don't say nonsensical things such as "I think lighter isn't better" one minute and "the previous frame was lighter, so this frame is worse!" the next minute. I tend to be rational. But indeed, if I was living in the USA, where the choices in good, stiff bikes are more limited than in Europe, I'd probably go for Wabi, the European bike's knockoff that looks ok-ish. 3. The "cinelli tax" you're mentioning is because you've put in your mass produced bikes a brand that makes them by hand. ;) You'd be surprised how little it costs, in Belgium or in Japan, to build a good fixie. There is a reason why US bikes don't sell for much over there, and US citizens pay thousands for Belgian, Italian, French or Japanese bikes. It's like cars: they just make them better, faster, stronger, because they don't botch the job in a factory, and all this comes at a cost. 4. PLEASE, start pronouncing right. "sram" isn't SHram but Sram. You can pronounce the "tch" in "TCHInelli" if you want, but then pronounce the LLs right too. But NICHE isn't "neeTCH" but "neeSH" to anyone, goddammit. 5. You're definitely pushing Wabi a bit too much, dude. They're not that great. And they are pricey. 6. Maybe enounce rational criteria before you start your ranking. Are you going to put real track bikes in the same pool as commuters? Because that's what you are doing by putting wabi in the same pool as throne or cinelli. A track bike, a crit bike and a city bike do NOT have the same requirements. Stiffness makes sense in some parts but not all of them, this is why experience, skills and knowledge are important when building a frame. Putting the same stiff and hardened steel everywhere (as wabi does) doesn't give a comfortable ride at all. You want lateral stiffness around the bottom bracket (and this is the place where the flexibility is felt on your frame, not through the axle/crankset) but extreme lateral stiffness around the wheels only make sense in a crit bike. You want a solid frame if you're fighting in a rad race, but not a brittle frame. Weight is not everything. Geometry matters too. Welds matter too, but you don't seem to be able to assess what a good weld is, the way you spoke about them. ... On so many aspects, this is just a glorified ad for Wabi, and it's a bit of a disappointment. You're dismissing crit/track criteria for some bikes, and using them for others. You could say - "let's talk about city fixies, then about crit/track bikes - and let's compare what's comparable". Also, your hate for cinelli and constantine is as subjective as your love for wabi - I think we can handle this. I'm all for subjectivity. But then, don't invoke rational arguments, because wabi loses on pretty much every one of them.
Exactly what i was thinking. The whole thing here feels like a wabi commercial. I‘m from germany and would defo prefer BLB, 8Bars and probably anything else over Wabi. So don‘t believe the hype and get a vintage frame from ebay.
Thanks for your input man. I know its been two years but do you have some ressources so I can learn about bike. I am trying to buy/build a singlespeed (i live in france) but I am kind of lost because there is so much informations out there
What is your opinion of bianchi? Picked up a 2004 pista concept. I also picked up a pista sei giorni for cheap. I’m going to upgrade some components but have always loved their bikes
It's not a track bike. I really like the idea of a good steel fixie that's designed for how people - not racers - and I hope I get to try one someday! I'll probably never own one, though, because my Steamroller (you may not have heard of them, they aren't on this list lol) will outlast the sun.
I've got a blb lo-pro. In Malta and well, Europe, a 1k bike is still entry-level so 800euros shipped is pretty decent. Reliable af, considering I use it every day, all I had to do was just tighten the spokes a tad as I prefer a stiffer wheel.
Thunder over Big Block if I'm doing some light off roading?? It's still my n+2 bike but I am looking forward to this purchase one day. I'm watching this video on repeat for the next year.
Out of all the BLB bikes, the so-ez was definitely the only one I would go for, the others just look cheap/horrendous geometry. Riding fixed is hard enough, why not cut yourself some slack and make it just a tiny bit easier! Plus if you can use it with mudguards then that'd make a good commuting fixed gear.....
612 Select comes from the 612 area code in All City's hometown in Minneapolis. Why do they do that? Probably just because it's more hip than saying 4130 chromoly.
I think its just a marketing, i almost mistook it as reyonds 612 but there is no such thing as reynolds 612, only 631 and 653 which are alot nicer tubeset then 4130 crmo which is what 612 select is...
The all city big block is definitely worth the hype that thing is so god damn fun and zippy. I have a 58 and it’s 18.5 pounds Breakless so don’t let the high price point 41 chromoly turn you off.
That cinelli tutto roast hurt, but I console myself with the fact I got a great price from the shop and that it is super hard to get a fixie frame with wide tires and fender mounts (in Europe). The stock build is trash, tho
@@alexsilage3578 well he's all about value for money, that is not compatible with Cinelli. I honestly agree with him on everything, and knew that when going for the Tutto
With the BLB city Classic (and bikes in the uk on the whole) they tend to be more expensive then other countries. My 2008 Fuji track that i bought last year cost £400 and that was the cheapest i could find a complete fixed gear.
My favorite is the All-City Big Block. I haven't had a chance to ride a Wabi yet. They are never in stock, and the paint job doesn't look quite as nice.
Which engine11 frameset is great, Vortex, Crid D, Sprinter or Unknown, Throne... What is your suggestion, I want one that I can ride on the street, in the city (bay area), I already have Wabi Lightning, State undefeated, Black Label and a few road bikes.
with all bikes with Euro prices you gotta remember that those prices are wit hincluded Tax when i shop in the US i always forget that your prices are usually before tax, hence more than written on the websites :) (i dont know if the prices you show are with or without tax, but just fyi)
If you were building a wabi classic for a first time fixed gear/single gear generally casual bike rider which wheels and tires would you recommend? Any other specific upgrades?
I have a 6ku track fixie and it’s good enough, it never breaks down and rolls on and on, I get out and ride, someday, somehow it has to be good enough for the average person, I don’t need fancy.
I have a 2015 undefeated 😞 Ritchey stem Ritchey seat post Mavic Ellipse FSA Headset Fsa chainring (51t) Omniums Stolen bike co pedals Zipp drops Carbon fork White industries hub And I forgot what specific chain I got So far though, I’ve been digging it.
My Big Block's chainstay cracked all the way through right by the dropouts. Apparently, I'm not the only person with this issue. Nothing that dramatic happened to it (no big crashes or anything). Maybe they've fixed whatever causes this.
@@mybackandbodyhurts I no shit have both, the blv2 I built and a shark track, while the vigorelli is a bit lighter and what I use for crits, I prefer the geometry and the more forgiving frame stiffness of my blv2. Unless you're competing at a reasonable level the blv2 is the better choice. Plus you could spend like 400 on top of the frame set and still have an awesome trainer/race bike
Hey zach! I need tour help. What do you think about running a front brake on a wheel without a braking surface like the miche pistard. It would damage the wheel?
Oh my god we get it, you like Wabi, they pay you, you add a disclaimer that they pay you, you still spend 50mins advertising for them. I would've gotten a wabi if it weren't for all of your videos, a company that needs to market that much is compensating for something, also you turned them into a meme company, I'm good.
Is there a reason that Engine 11 Vortex or Crit-D frames dont get any love? (Certain paint schemes) Reason for asking is that I have a beige to brown fade E11 frame running on Jetty IRC Tan Walls paired with matte carbon rims, Izumi black and gold chain, Thomson seat post, collar and stem. I ride with guys who have thoroughbred Italian frameset and every ride its not their builds getting the attention of onlookers. Yes, I am tooting my own horn. Imo mainstream Cinelli frameset are kitsch!
Unfortunately buying a Dolan Pre Cursa in Mainland Europe is not that easy anymore. Because of Brexit you have to pay a huge amount of customs charges. I calculated that you would have to pay around 1260 € for the 700£ Pre Cursa shipped to your door. Edit: I live in Germany
@@HotPhilSummer yeah man the list is a mid range fixed gear ranking. And the cinellis he included are all entry level except for the tutto which is a bit odd to me... Also no steam roller is an odd ommision. Tbh the whole list seemed like a glorified advert for wabi as usual. Smh
Oh nevermind! He brings Wabi up during the non-Wabi reviews too, of course he does... And of course he trashes them with a smug attitude and negative hyperbole, a tone you definitely won't hear him bring up whenever he talks about Wabi Bicycles... Seriously less and less in to this type of a shill. unsubbed, hope you learn to be less snarky about other bike manufacturers or at least be as snarky about Wabi and their 0 competition wins. sigh
I am still here begging for this series but for framesets
You get plenty of options for 1000 usd, very good njs frame, maybe italian pista, cinelli mash, mash ac, mash steel, and many more
@@tharifdzulfiqar789 that’s why we want them ranked
@@tharifdzulfiqar789 i want a mid range one tho like sub 400, also yea its easy to find good used njs frames, but impossible to find good njs frames in my size
I was just thinking that.
@@jmax850 if you a a grand to spend on frame buy what suits your riding or aesthetic most. You can go upper mid NJS a crazy nice aluminum track bike or a boutique bike with options like extra tire clearance or a more compliant geometry.
I love seeing how zachs matured. He used to be all twitchy and big eyed a few years ago. Seemed anxious on camera. Now he seems suave, confident, and relaxed.
Looking like he was tweaking on Adderall and shit.
In my opinion, that phase was emo-Zach(
He was on e back then
What the hell you been watching
@@jhowardsupporter old zach videos from 5 or 6 years ago
Watching this having just gone on my pre cursa has made me smile A LOT
I'm waiting to see the Cinellis, Bianchi, Dosnoventa, planet x , Dolan, specialized and weis bikes.
A cinelli vigorelli, any dosnoventa, bianchi or specialized bike would put wabi to shreds.
would love to see any review about Weis!
@@nicojar won't happen, cuz Zach is a Cinelli hater.
Most people really don’t understand why Zach hates on Cinelli. They literally try to sell you overpriced bikes that you can get somewhere else cheaper and properly priced for what you are getting. It’s literally the supreme crowbar of bikes, when you can just go to your local hardware store and get a perfectly priced crowbar.
And no I’m not cheap lmfao, I just like paying for honest quality.
@@nasagasaan I only like cinelli cause I don't pay full price lol my first frame was the Blue and white vigorelli for 200 bucks.
I can't stand Dosnoventa with their overpriced stuff.
Great Video! The only thing that I think you looked over is that the Tutto is the only fixed gear frame I know that gives you the option to run a belt instead of a chain since you can open up the frame. As someone who dailys a bealt since this year instead of a chain I can say that for me it's a game changer. No lubing a chain, no oil stains on your legs or pants and best of all: It's so silent! I wished more manufaturers would offer a belt compatible frameset so more people could experience this beautiful, oil-free silence.
Here in Europe the cheapest and best way to build/buy a fixed gear but also for any track/road bike is to find a vintage frame. The first fixie I ever built was made with a bianchi supercorsa road frame from the 70s i found on the Facebook marketplace from a seller near me for 150 euros. And a set of dodicicicli wheels with sturmey archer hubs I bought on eBay for about 80 euros. It was nothing to write home about and the road frame was low so I sometimes touched with the pedals on the ground when cornering. But the geometry and quality of the frame made it incredibile to ride around, especially considering I spent less than 400 euros on the whole thing. Including a nice smp saddle and a used miche primato crankset.
There’s a ton of bikes you showed in this video that I love but I think there’s a lot of cheaper ways to get into fixies without going to your local wall mart
As someone who has ridden 8bar bikes I have to say they ride so very nicely
Love my 8bar!!
Hey Wabi! If the classic was available in Europe I would buy it in a heartbeat since I'm looking to replace my Fuji Feather with an upgrade. All thanks to this channel so keep sponsoring him and hurry up and make the classic available over here.
Are you interested in buying mines?
do you still have it?
I have the State Undefeated II in black prism. Absolutely killer bike. I'm 6'2" and the 58cm with the longer top tube is perfect fit. Extremely fast and very comfortable. I ride Cervelo R5 and Yeti SB115 for road and trail, and this Undefeated powers through turns like nothing else. the geo is dimed for speed. I've I ride hard and thrash pretty good, and the wheelset and crankset can handle everything I've thrown at it. I have a Wabi classic and AC nature boy and the state just is so comfortable and just straight up flies compared to the other two(which are stellar bikes on their own). The economy of the faster bike goes a long way. I think a C rating is harsh, review and and rate bikes you've ridden. Can't take a list seriously when you're basing it on looking at pics and a spec sheet.
Imagine being offended because your bike is trash 😂
Having the right tool for the job is what EVERYTHING is about.
Rock on, you're good at this.
Where's the Surly Steamroller 😭 help out the Surly boys Zach come on now
Kind of huge miss not including it.
Surly and Soma... Where are they at??
For Zach's European viewers who don't know, Dolan also make a similarly priced but more city friendly bike in terms of geometry called the FXE. Very similar components and the same upgrade options, just made for the every day rather than the Velodrome.
Here in Europe we have tons of old, real steel track bikes on Ebay. And the BLB Classic goes for about 600 Euros here. Edit: The BLB Viper Frameset sometimes goes for under 350 Euros here.
"Everyday" people actually bike in Europe. You all are closer to Japan as well. Kinda surprised how Zach is slamming Europe lol. Wish I was over there tbh.
Just bought a state 4130!
I have a dolan pre cursa and yes would recommend 👌. I also bought it threw retrogression, so the shipping was alot cheaper then threw dolan website
I have the Poliandbike Williamsburg. For anyone interested, they DO come with archetypes. Great bike, I will change the crankset down the line, I’m happy with it but it could be a little better. I’d put it in mid-B tier, definitely not C.
8Bar has been pretty successful on the fixed crit scene opposed to track. I've bought a couple Poloandbike Williamsburgs and they were both great for the money and specs. I got them for $600 complete. For that it's a value and good looking bike but any more than that probably not worth it.
instead of right clicking, and selecting open in new tab, you know you can just click down on the mouse wheel and it opens in new tab...
Wow. I'm a lifelong shortcuts kinda guy and I never knew that one!
You forgot that the squid SO-EZ rear drop out space in 135mm and not 120mm which makes it very impractical and really limits your rear hub choixes
all the hub companies make 135 rear hubs including paul, surly, all city,
Love my All-City Nature Boy! Converted it to flat bars, and added some fenders. Everything I need it to be. If I were going to get another bike, I'd probably get the Thunderdome frameset and build it up how I want it.
Shout out to the fender jaguar in the background, my man must be playing some bangers on that one!
were are the afinitty bikes, dosnoventa and kory york bikes ? :00
Hey Zach, not sure if your US prices include all the taxes? The european and UK brands will include their ~20% VAT. Might explain some of the price differences.
Consider the Gunnar Roadie, by Waterford, made with True Temper and Reynolds. Stainless steel dropouts, responsive frame. Costs around $1000 for the frame with custom paint.
I love my All-City Nature Boy. Absolutely amazing bike.
22:59 Please tell me what front rack setup this is!
All City also sold Big Block forks in a 1" threadless version (I think they discontinued). I have a build with one of those on a Keirin frame, its an NJS travesty but a damn fine bike
Alot of guys in my local crits ride undefeated 2s bone stock and they love them. It's probably the best high end race ready complete you can buy.
I'm a crit guy and cant agree more. The fact he just brushes it off as a C teir makes this whole list questionable for me. I have the stock build with a thomson cockpit and Volt saddle. My Undefeated II ride quality and experience is on par with my bikes 5x the price. Its so good.
State undefeated is the best bike for midrange price... Previous years undefeated has more spokes for essor and Sram Ominium, it's a very fast bike, with the fork rake
I'm pretty sure the BLB Track and BLB Super Pista cranksets are also made by Andel, though
Ayyyyy my bike made a half appearance during the Undefeated review! Wheels and quality control were good for me.
LOVE my Thunderdome. This video made me want to go all silver components
Update: I went all silver components. I love my all-city so much i also recently purchased a Big Block. I only own two bikes. Thunderdome & Big Block. They cover every base I need
The 612 is a reference to the All City’s area code. The tubing is db4130 main triangle.
I know this is an old video, but I wanted to correct your saying the Reynolds 725 is air hardened. From Reynolds' own description, the 853 is air hardened, which makes it a step up from the 725, which is heat treated.
I’d be interested in your opinion of priority ace carbon belt drive as a fixed gear bike
Hey Zach, have you ever asked your sponsor if they can give us a discount on their bikes from your channel? We've noticed the price change on the spacial.
Why should wabi cut into their own money after they spent their money on everything it took to get them where they are today? If you can’t afford something, save up or lower your budget.
the nice thing about being in the fixed gear community is that you will meet people who will sell you parts, you can save hundreds on a better bike
Are you gonna make rankings for the Highend bikes as well?
PINARELLO MAAT!
👍👍
Been wanting a Dolan for a while... still do.
Do it buddy. 2 friends of mine own them and messenger with them.
They’ve got nothing but good things to say about Dolan.
@@daveyponderosa9549 you might be giving me that little push in need! Lol!
@@Straydog_6
Nice! From to very experienced messengers they say ‘ just givver buddy. ‘
Haha
I myself was looking for a new Velodrome specific frame set and Dolan DF4 was a coin toss loss from being my #1 pick. Well it was a 3 out of 5 coin toss game because I did want it but went with the
PINARELLO X TRACK instead. I just yesterday put my deposit on it too.
Why the PINARELLO? Well......it is a PINARELLO after all.
Lol
I may just regret my choice, but I doubt it.
Having said that, my current work bike, a Surly Steamroller will be replaced before the year is out. It will be replaced with a Dolan Pre Cursa. I’m stoked to get it myself. Light, quick and responsive, carbon fork, what’s not to like? Rhetorical question! Lol
There are many many velodromes that use them as their rentals. That means 1000’s of km’s on them with different weighted bodies and riding styles too. You just cannot go wrong.
Plus a real track pedigree to boot to buddy.
Ahh shit, I may just order one now. Lol
Still wondering why a Fyxation Eastside Fixed Gear
Bike 2022
Had never Ben reviewed and since not why! ? I would love too know in which tier you would place that bike in with these others. And always. Your the best when it comes too these bike videos 👏🏾✌🏾👌🏾
Im wondering the same! Love my Eastside.
Mid-range bikes: "Here's one for $1,000. Here's one for $1,600."
Casual cyclist me who's first bikes growing up were the 4th best bikes Kmart had to offer: eyes glazing over.
1. Europe has more competent bike builders than USA. Asia has amazing bike brands too. FYI, Wabi copied their frame geometry from Belgian and Italian bikes, they just added the bad paint job.
2. Cinelli > Wabi, but you and me are judging by different criteria. I like solid frames, experienced builders, smart geometry that fits my needs, and I don't say nonsensical things such as "I think lighter isn't better" one minute and "the previous frame was lighter, so this frame is worse!" the next minute. I tend to be rational. But indeed, if I was living in the USA, where the choices in good, stiff bikes are more limited than in Europe, I'd probably go for Wabi, the European bike's knockoff that looks ok-ish.
3. The "cinelli tax" you're mentioning is because you've put in your mass produced bikes a brand that makes them by hand. ;)
You'd be surprised how little it costs, in Belgium or in Japan, to build a good fixie. There is a reason why US bikes don't sell for much over there, and US citizens pay thousands for Belgian, Italian, French or Japanese bikes. It's like cars: they just make them better, faster, stronger, because they don't botch the job in a factory, and all this comes at a cost.
4. PLEASE, start pronouncing right. "sram" isn't SHram but Sram. You can pronounce the "tch" in "TCHInelli" if you want, but then pronounce the LLs right too. But NICHE isn't "neeTCH" but "neeSH" to anyone, goddammit.
5. You're definitely pushing Wabi a bit too much, dude. They're not that great. And they are pricey.
6. Maybe enounce rational criteria before you start your ranking. Are you going to put real track bikes in the same pool as commuters? Because that's what you are doing by putting wabi in the same pool as throne or cinelli. A track bike, a crit bike and a city bike do NOT have the same requirements.
Stiffness makes sense in some parts but not all of them, this is why experience, skills and knowledge are important when building a frame.
Putting the same stiff and hardened steel everywhere (as wabi does) doesn't give a comfortable ride at all. You want lateral stiffness around the bottom bracket (and this is the place where the flexibility is felt on your frame, not through the axle/crankset) but extreme lateral stiffness around the wheels only make sense in a crit bike. You want a solid frame if you're fighting in a rad race, but not a brittle frame. Weight is not everything. Geometry matters too. Welds matter too, but you don't seem to be able to assess what a good weld is, the way you spoke about them.
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On so many aspects, this is just a glorified ad for Wabi, and it's a bit of a disappointment. You're dismissing crit/track criteria for some bikes, and using them for others.
You could say - "let's talk about city fixies, then about crit/track bikes - and let's compare what's comparable".
Also, your hate for cinelli and constantine is as subjective as your love for wabi - I think we can handle this. I'm all for subjectivity. But then, don't invoke rational arguments, because wabi loses on pretty much every one of them.
Exactly what i was thinking. The whole thing here feels like a wabi commercial. I‘m from germany and would defo prefer BLB, 8Bars and probably anything else over Wabi. So don‘t believe the hype and get a vintage frame from ebay.
Thanks for your input man. I know its been two years but do you have some ressources so I can learn about bike. I am trying to buy/build a singlespeed (i live in france) but I am kind of lost because there is so much informations out there
Zack are you coming out with the 1500 or 2000 price range of fixi’s , if you are I can’t wait!
Ok, I’m kind of over the WABI advert now and I’m only halfway through the video.
🤷🏼♂️
Would like to see reviews of the State Bicycle Co. Sokol and the Pigeon, please? If you can thanks.
Very nice! Thank you! Finally building a bike from the S tier.
How are you gonna leave Soma out like that? Up there with Wabi as best deals for 1k
What is your opinion of bianchi? Picked up a 2004 pista concept. I also picked up a pista sei giorni for cheap. I’m going to upgrade some components but have always loved their bikes
Have you mentioned Ave Maldea bikes?
That cinelli is a bianchi pista frame? I have one looks familiar no.???
Can you do a review on XFixxi fix gear bikes?
So... How many championships had Wabi won?
It's not a track bike. I really like the idea of a good steel fixie that's designed for how people - not racers - and I hope I get to try one someday! I'll probably never own one, though, because my Steamroller (you may not have heard of them, they aren't on this list lol) will outlast the sun.
But I see the joke now, I wasn't all the way through the video yet!
I still ride my 2015 state undefeated, shit brand but man do they last. Things beat to hell and it still rides nice.
That 2015 undefeated frame is nice.
Nice vibe on this one. Great productions and guidance. But the jazz horns in the background. Uh. Wassup bra? 😀
I've got a blb lo-pro. In Malta and well, Europe, a 1k bike is still entry-level so 800euros shipped is pretty decent. Reliable af, considering I use it every day, all I had to do was just tighten the spokes a tad as I prefer a stiffer wheel.
Thunder over Big Block if I'm doing some light off roading?? It's still my n+2 bike but I am looking forward to this purchase one day. I'm watching this video on repeat for the next year.
Out of all the BLB bikes, the so-ez was definitely the only one I would go for, the others just look cheap/horrendous geometry. Riding fixed is hard enough, why not cut yourself some slack and make it just a tiny bit easier! Plus if you can use it with mudguards then that'd make a good commuting fixed gear.....
Sad that BLB stopped producing the classic track r, 370€ for a pretty decent steel frameset, rode mine for 5 years and loved it until it got stolen ;/
so tapered forks are better? are those the forks that require quill stems or quill adapters?
Zach, you need to check out 'Brothers Cycles' here in London. Great bikes!
hello
what would you choose between blb classic 550 € or fuji feather 660€?
612 Select comes from the 612 area code in All City's hometown in Minneapolis. Why do they do that? Probably just because it's more hip than saying 4130 chromoly.
I think its just a marketing, i almost mistook it as reyonds 612 but there is no such thing as reynolds 612, only 631 and 653 which are alot nicer tubeset then 4130 crmo which is what 612 select is...
Im really curious to know, Where can find the front basket you have your WABI classic?
What are your thoughts on the Detroit Bikes Sparrow?
Would it be possible to run a 47 frameset as a 1,80 m guy or around 5.10, thinking of running a setback post and a longer stem.
Surprised you included the low end Cinelli rather than the likes of a Cinelli Vigorelli or Cinelli Shark.
can you list your upgrades for the Wabi? So many choices. Don't know what to get.
The all city big block is definitely worth the hype that thing is so god damn fun and zippy. I have a 58 and it’s 18.5 pounds Breakless so don’t let the high price point 41 chromoly turn you off.
That cinelli tutto roast hurt, but I console myself with the fact I got a great price from the shop and that it is super hard to get a fixie frame with wide tires and fender mounts (in Europe). The stock build is trash, tho
I feel you. I roll on a kick @ss Gazzetta, nothing stock. Zach just has no space and/or love in his heart for Cinelli.
@@alexsilage3578 well he's all about value for money, that is not compatible with Cinelli. I honestly agree with him on everything, and knew that when going for the Tutto
the cheaper BLB x Squid Tracklocross cheaper alternative is the NS Bikes Analog made in Poland
*Cries with aventon*
Im sorry for you
Ok, ok, subscribed.
With the BLB city Classic (and bikes in the uk on the whole) they tend to be more expensive then other countries. My 2008 Fuji track that i bought last year cost £400 and that was the cheapest i could find a complete fixed gear.
Can Wabi install a Rene Herse bottom bracket and cranks?
how do you make the stick in your footage disappear? I thought you were biking with a drone or something
And what’s the best alternative to Dolan that we can get without a high shipping price?
My favorite is the All-City Big Block. I haven't had a chance to ride a Wabi yet. They are never in stock, and the paint job doesn't look quite as nice.
Zach, what do you think about the PINARELLO LUNGAVITA 512 - SOHO?
Which engine11 frameset is great, Vortex, Crid D, Sprinter or Unknown, Throne... What is your suggestion, I want one that I can ride on the street, in the city (bay area), I already have Wabi Lightning, State undefeated, Black Label and a few road bikes.
with all bikes with Euro prices you gotta remember that those prices are wit hincluded Tax
when i shop in the US i always forget that your prices are usually before tax, hence more than written on the websites :)
(i dont know if the prices you show are with or without tax, but just fyi)
If you were building a wabi classic for a first time fixed gear/single gear generally casual bike rider which wheels and tires would you recommend? Any other specific upgrades?
Did you end up getting it? Wondering what upgrades you went with and if you’re happy with it
You can spec out the Wabi you want, but can you actually acquire it? In Spring 2022, probably not.
In the uk never
I have a 6ku track fixie and it’s good enough, it never breaks down and rolls on and on, I get out and ride, someday, somehow it has to be good enough for the average person, I don’t need fancy.
I have a 2015 undefeated 😞
Ritchey stem
Ritchey seat post
Mavic Ellipse
FSA Headset
Fsa chainring (51t)
Omniums
Stolen bike co pedals
Zipp drops
Carbon fork
White industries hub
And I forgot what specific chain I got
So far though, I’ve been digging it.
Dude, i have the Undefeated II and they rip. Great bikes.
My Big Block's chainstay cracked all the way through right by the dropouts. Apparently, I'm not the only person with this issue. Nothing that dramatic happened to it (no big crashes or anything). Maybe they've fixed whatever causes this.
I loved it before that, tho.
Buy a black label v2 frameset for 379 and spend 600 building it.
Or do a high IQ play and buy a vigorelli for 800 and build it for 200
@@mybackandbodyhurts I no shit have both, the blv2 I built and a shark track, while the vigorelli is a bit lighter and what I use for crits, I prefer the geometry and the more forgiving frame stiffness of my blv2. Unless you're competing at a reasonable level the blv2 is the better choice. Plus you could spend like 400 on top of the frame set and still have an awesome trainer/race bike
Love my big block!
Hey zach! I need tour help. What do you think about running a front brake on a wheel without a braking surface like the miche pistard. It would damage the wheel?
It's going to damage the wheel.
Oh my god we get it, you like Wabi, they pay you, you add a disclaimer that they pay you, you still spend 50mins advertising for them. I would've gotten a wabi if it weren't for all of your videos, a company that needs to market that much is compensating for something, also you turned them into a meme company, I'm good.
Is there a reason that Engine 11 Vortex or Crit-D frames dont get any love? (Certain paint schemes)
Reason for asking is that I have a beige to brown fade E11 frame running on Jetty IRC Tan Walls paired with matte carbon rims, Izumi black and gold chain, Thomson seat post, collar and stem. I ride with guys who have thoroughbred Italian frameset and every ride its not their builds getting the attention of onlookers. Yes, I am tooting my own horn.
Imo mainstream Cinelli frameset are kitsch!
I'd add, outside of Japan, you're the only one that I've run across that knows the correct pronunciation for 'Tange'.
Wherein Zach Gallardo comes incredibly close (again) to convincing me to buy a Wabi. Sadly, I am still not an n+1 guy.
That moment when you hear zach inform you that all-city is a minneapolis brand 🤩
Waiting to see a review on Throne
Unfortunately buying a Dolan Pre Cursa in Mainland Europe is not that easy anymore. Because of Brexit you have to pay a huge amount of customs charges. I calculated that you would have to pay around 1260 € for the 700£ Pre Cursa shipped to your door.
Edit: I live in Germany
but you still have options
Would love to see this video in a 2022 format, or has it not changed at all?
That BLB is modeled after the Aventon Mataro, not a Leader.
Surly Steam Roller????? no???
Yeah I thought that was a weird omission, and no soma rush either
No vigorelli?
No Surly?
I suppose bc the Steamroller is a frameset this year. And you can't rank 'em all.
@@HotPhilSummer yeah man the list is a mid range fixed gear ranking. And the cinellis he included are all entry level except for the tutto which is a bit odd to me... Also no steam roller is an odd ommision. Tbh the whole list seemed like a glorified advert for wabi as usual. Smh
@@OGLobster Couldn't agree more!
Like all of Zach's videos, this one contains a Wabi advertisement.
Only it's 12 minutes longer than usual -_-
Oh nevermind! He brings Wabi up during the non-Wabi reviews too, of course he does... And of course he trashes them with a smug attitude and negative hyperbole, a tone you definitely won't hear him bring up whenever he talks about Wabi Bicycles... Seriously less and less in to this type of a shill. unsubbed, hope you learn to be less snarky about other bike manufacturers or at least be as snarky about Wabi and their 0 competition wins. sigh