this tourney was insane. it was a reminder of how much of a beast the "veterans" of melee still are. in the form of a comeback of wizzy for falcon mains and plup's sheik, in an era dominated by the zain, cody, and jmook trifecta
also a testament of how much a backcatalog of good players Melee has, retired or not i started to watch melee after Covid, so i have to remind myself that both Plup and Wizzrobe has had lucrative careers and were considered top 5 in the world these man are killers
jmook has still been doing vey well for himself, it's just that winning Genesis 9 and Collison along with being the newly crowned #3 in the world is a very high standard in which he is struggling with as a new top tier competitor both mentally and result-wise
Plup has attended just 4 majors this year. His results are 1st/1st/2nd/4th At both 1st place finishes, Cody, Zain, and Mango did not attend. It’s like, if it’s not Genesis, we don’t get all our top dogs at the same event.
@@PattyFowl or maybe the melee community should just try to not be giga poor cause mfs cannot attend tourneys all the time with no incentives from orgs or winnings lol
@@zenabompeg yea imma be honest idk what kinda own this was supposed to be but i know how money works, im just explaining why forced attendance doesnt work
I swear these two players will lay dormant and then out of nowhere fuck up any tournament they attend. Can't wait for Wizzy to pick up another major for the falcon bros.
@@Quasi11Modo counter big disagree. I don't need a commentator breaking down every neutral interaction as if I can't see what's happening directly on screen. SO many commentators are like robots and just say what's happening on screen like an echo chamber, meanwhile Brandon and Phil bring excitement, humor, and hype. There is a VERY good reason these two left a legacy of commentary behind and why they have so many defenders, they created west coast melee hype.
Man, is Wizzy doomed to face of Plup each time he reachs the grand final of a big tournament ? It has been the case three times in a row at that point. Still a great final tho
I thought the same thing.. it's like he chose not to on purpose lol had wizzy in the crosshairs & just didn't pull the trigger. they both played insane though
one of the weirdest phenomenon in melee for me is how fucking insanely good Shroomed is, and still just gets shit on by commentators in games he isn't even playing in.
Its impossible to differentiate between Sheiks tech back and tech in place in time to react, right? pretty sure thats why its hard for C Fal. He basically just has to read
Wizzy kept missing his dash back. It’s more difficult for falcon to dash out of crouch than for other characters. The moment you notice wizzy do a standing grab during a tech chase is when the dash back messes him up.
I love this matchup. I feel like its honestly pretty even nowadays, maybe I give a slight advantage to Sheik still but its so close and doable now for Falcon. Both characters can edgeguard the other with rinse and repeat tactics and combo each other so hard. I think if both players are even skill level its really going to come down to who tech-chases better.
I wanted Wizz to win so badly ... he did play really well... but Plup came out with some really good combos and dont let Wizz go anywhere far from him... Really nice GF!
If I had a nickel everytime Plup and Wizzy met in grand finals at a major, beating out other top 10 talent, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
Wizz got some weird mannerisms. It's either his forehead is tilted too far down or his chin is about to poke someone in the eye. No idea how he can play with extreme facial tilts
Bro, Plup and Wizzy out here kinda vindicating Armada when he says not much has really changed. It’s kind of sad to me (and also hype af, don’t get me wrong) that three semi retired players come around once in a while and spank everyone who aren’t Zain and Cody. I would bet if Armada were to come back, he’d probably be top 3 easy. I want to believe in Amsa, Moky or Aklo, but, man, it seems tough.
Just because the same players are good doesn’t mean the meta isn’t changing. Wizzy and plup unfortunately don’t enter many tournaments, but they stream borderline every day and still grind as hard as they can. Wizzy and plup are miles better than they used to be and same with mango compared to when armada played.
I hate when commentators just try and be funny and annoying the whole time, and the only times they’re commentating the match are when they’re saying what they think the players should do, or just naming the moves
Listening to commentators talk about how they think players should play differently and throwing in the towel when someone is behind is just so lame. Yeah we get it someone being down 3-1 stocks means they’re losing
Man it's weird seeing Wizzy and Plup facing each other after barely seeing them all year
They play at CEO grand finals too
not really, theyre the best😂
Plup has only played in, like, 4 tournaments this year. Wizzrobe's only played in 2, and has played Plup in Grands in both tournaments LOL.
@@NashSuper600 I forgot about CEO and yeah I hate barely seeing them when they are some of the most entertaining
@@mandalorianhunter1 I need either of them to win a major this year.
I’m just so joyful I get to hear brandon & phil commentate in 2023 like nothing ever changed
...that was trash commentary.......
@@necromax13no one liked that
@@necromax13 say you're new to smash without saying it.
@@necromax13average ultimate player
@@vilegoblin It's fine if they're your boys, but man, I've definitely been enjoying some of the newer ones way more
this tourney was insane. it was a reminder of how much of a beast the "veterans" of melee still are. in the form of a comeback of wizzy for falcon mains and plup's sheik, in an era dominated by the zain, cody, and jmook trifecta
also a testament of how much a backcatalog of good players Melee has, retired or not
i started to watch melee after Covid, so i have to remind myself that both Plup and Wizzrobe has had lucrative careers and were considered top 5 in the world
these man are killers
Jmook has not been doing shit. Not sure what you’re on about. It’s very clearly zain and Cody right now at the top
jmook has still been doing vey well for himself, it's just that winning Genesis 9 and Collison along with being the newly crowned #3 in the world is a very high standard in which he is struggling with as a new top tier competitor both mentally and result-wise
Plup has attended just 4 majors this year. His results are 1st/1st/2nd/4th
At both 1st place finishes, Cody, Zain, and Mango did not attend. It’s like, if it’s not Genesis, we don’t get all our top dogs at the same event.
Maybe we'll get em at big house
Community should implement the mang0 system with a minimum requirement for attendance so we have more stacked tourneys
@@PattyFowl or maybe the melee community should just try to not be giga poor cause mfs cannot attend tourneys all the time with no incentives from orgs or winnings lol
@@w0rkhop555If money spawned off of trees, then sure cuz you be thinking that money just comes from the sky my guy
@@zenabompeg yea imma be honest idk what kinda own this was supposed to be but i know how money works, im just explaining why forced attendance doesnt work
I could watch an hour of plup just moving around on a stage. No one else is that smooth.
Eh its mango or n0ne for me
@@cueshq789 didnt ask
@@archiesullivan1838 yes cause i need permission from “archie sullivan” to state my opinion 💀
@@cueshq789 shut up champ
I swear these two players will lay dormant and then out of nowhere fuck up any tournament they attend. Can't wait for Wizzy to pick up another major for the falcon bros.
28:57 omg Plup was determined to finish that. What a crazy sequence.
I bet Wizzrobe's shitting posture is unreal
Probs immaculate
Phil and Brandon brighten my whole life, so grateful for those two
THE LEGENDARY HMW AND PHIL COMMENTARY IS BACK
Riptide Grand Finals: Who is the best melee player named Justin?
What a sick grand finals, wizzy and plup both with the wicked offense!
"i side b at ledge thats a bad habit" what a funny lil line
Dude this is the sickest Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee gameplay I've ever seen!
phil and hmw is by far the best commentary team
no contest
"My man is Verizon with the coverage" -- too fuckin good man lol
Without HMW and Phil melee does not become what it is today
@@Quasi11Modo counter big disagree. I don't need a commentator breaking down every neutral interaction as if I can't see what's happening directly on screen.
SO many commentators are like robots and just say what's happening on screen like an echo chamber, meanwhile Brandon and Phil bring excitement, humor, and hype. There is a VERY good reason these two left a legacy of commentary behind and why they have so many defenders, they created west coast melee hype.
It's not even close. So entertainment.
Congrats Plup! So proud of Wizzy for getting so far!
This was the best match of Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee I've ever seen.
Lmao came to say this
they both played amazing, their punish is insane
Game 10 is crazyyyy. Love when grands goes to game 10. Add it to the history books
That last combo by Plup was crazy. Converting a failed edge guard into a 100+% combo is so clutch
Wizzy played so well, he’ll get them next time!
them who?
expect that last game lol
he played out of his mind the best falcon Wizzy ive seen, hell be champ next time I agree
man this grands is such a throwback
Happened twice already this year
@@il100374he means that this is been a long time since this two face each other, only ol' school people will understand it.
@@nomado.3855 Yeah, I've been watching for a long time. Thanks.
Man, is Wizzy doomed to face of Plup each time he reachs the grand final of a big tournament ? It has been the case three times in a row at that point.
Still a great final tho
That final combo was so sick idk why Plup didn't up air instead of nair to close it out.
I was expecting the dynasty
I thought the same thing.. it's like he chose not to on purpose lol had wizzy in the crosshairs & just didn't pull the trigger. they both played insane though
Wizzy's gamer face look like he be lookin toward the heavens for a power up
This grands was actually super hype
one of the weirdest phenomenon in melee for me is how fucking insanely good Shroomed is, and still just gets shit on by commentators in games he isn't even playing in.
That 0-to-Death by Plup on game 4 was so elegant.
The commentator duo is too good they gotta keep these boys around
They’ve been lol
Both of their SDI makes it look like they’re playing netplay with tons of rollbacks
I hate to see either of these guys lose but you can't ask for much more than a Game 10 grands!
Brandon and Phil LMFAO you guys are a treasure
Its impossible to differentiate between Sheiks tech back and tech in place in time to react, right? pretty sure thats why its hard for C Fal. He basically just has to read
Wizzy kept missing his dash back. It’s more difficult for falcon to dash out of crouch than for other characters. The moment you notice wizzy do a standing grab during a tech chase is when the dash back messes him up.
Made a bet Thursday night before knowing Zain dropped calling Plup Wizzy finals. Shout out to them seeing the game so different, now up $5 :)
I just started the video, COME ON WIZZY
falcon and sheik finals are fun!
Unlucky Wizzy, i'm still rooting for ya!!
Wizzrobe and plup are so sick.
so sick seeing my two favorites in grand finals more than once in 2023. melee is gonna be alright
Excellent set. I love sheik falcon matchup.
Damn if the final combo had a dynasty finisher would have been the hypest shiek combo oat
damn didn't know Godzilla tournaments could get so hype
Two of the most expressive faces in Melee
I've never enjoyed commentary this much 😂😂 these guys are a riot
that fart at 3:12 🤣🤣🤣
it was the chAIR SQUEAKING
Bro who let armada commentate?😂
naaaaah not this time lol. shhhhh dont try to vindicate it!@@DuringDark
TH-cam says the game is "Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee" lol
I love this matchup. I feel like its honestly pretty even nowadays, maybe I give a slight advantage to Sheik still but its so close and doable now for Falcon. Both characters can edgeguard the other with rinse and repeat tactics and combo each other so hard. I think if both players are even skill level its really going to come down to who tech-chases better.
I wanted Wizz to win so badly ... he did play really well... but Plup came out with some really good combos and dont let Wizz go anywhere far from him...
Really nice GF!
rare grands matchup. both players went tf off
We missed you Phill
Congratula tions to plipe.
Plup is so good too bad he can't go to more events, he could contend for #1. shows up every six months to get top 2.
Why cant he make it to more events?
That was a great set!
You can feel the nerves coming out at the end
this was a GEM of a set
Brandon and Phil CRUSHING it on commentary bringing me back to 2006, GIMME THAT
“Boost mobile” on the boost grab 😂😂😂😂
GOATed commentary. 9:05 catch me in a small room 😂
Calling Plup "Super Saiyan Shroomed" is so fucking funny man
“Build a bear ass combos” haha😂 great set, super fun commentary
2 of the dopest in the game. Fucking love Plups style of Sheik.
GREAT SET.
I always forget how busted sheik's grab is lol. Good set.
W commentators
If you combine Wizzy and Falcon, you get the Crimson Chin
Only a minute in & both look like they are about to rage 😳💀
Plup v Wizzy in TWENTY TWENTY THREE?????
Insane by wizzy. Incredible.
still cracked
Loved all the commentary this weekend, especially the Brandon & Phil sets. Absolute banger of a GF to top off the tourney
If I had a nickel everytime Plup and Wizzy met in grand finals at a major, beating out other top 10 talent, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
With Plup winning we need to use the Mang0 ranking aystem
Let’s go Wizzy get him next time!
Ultra Instinct?! - dun .. dun .. lmaooo
Great set and great commentary someone sign phil next
Anybody else hear the fart Easter Egg at 3:14?
That's my 🐐
Nice steal from plup on game 4
That angle @ 5:36 lol
wasn't expecting to hear about Spence Crawford during GF lolll real ones knew Bud was taking it tho
Wizzy, you have to clear out your mind so you can play smash better. You have #1 potential. You got this!
3:54 newgen
Wow. Godzilla. Cool.
😢win big house wizzy
Man that wizzy chin
If only this tournament was on who could remove medical sponges form people bodies then llod would have one smh.
Let’s go wizzy 🐬
the jaw movement from wizzy makes me uncomfortable
The editing of the sets that cut off the beginning and end are not a very welcome addition. I enjoy watching all the way through the interview.
@@NeonDartYes there was
Brandon & Phil were on point with the commentary 😂😂😂
lol Start of game 2 they just dash thru each other and both grab air
Wizz got some weird mannerisms. It's either his forehead is tilted too far down or his chin is about to poke someone in the eye. No idea how he can play with extreme facial tilts
Plup forgot to pop off
Epic
PEAK COMMS
entertaining game and commentary well done gents
Sheik mains pretend this MU isnt free cause they need the most validation. LOL
Wizzy thought if he wore the same hoodie as Cody we would win lol
Bro, Plup and Wizzy out here kinda vindicating Armada when he says not much has really changed. It’s kind of sad to me (and also hype af, don’t get me wrong) that three semi retired players come around once in a while and spank everyone who aren’t Zain and Cody. I would bet if Armada were to come back, he’d probably be top 3 easy. I want to believe in Amsa, Moky or Aklo, but, man, it seems tough.
Amsa won 3 majors in the second half of last year 🤔
There are quite a few big(ger) names missing from this tournament that could've/would've been a hurdle for Plup & Wizzy
Zain and IBDW are new names. The rest is the same pretty much.
@@PreacherJenkinsAnd how many did he win this year?
Just because the same players are good doesn’t mean the meta isn’t changing. Wizzy and plup unfortunately don’t enter many tournaments, but they stream borderline every day and still grind as hard as they can. Wizzy and plup are miles better than they used to be and same with mango compared to when armada played.
falcon can just erase sheik
I hate when commentators just try and be funny and annoying the whole time, and the only times they’re commentating the match are when they’re saying what they think the players should do, or just naming the moves
Listening to commentators talk about how they think players should play differently and throwing in the towel when someone is behind is just so lame.
Yeah we get it someone being down 3-1 stocks means they’re losing